The Crypteia, Secret Police of Sparta

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The need for this practice was always felt in ancient civilizations such as Ancient Greece.
The Spartans employed the same kinds of methods to help keep the population submissive.
This was done through the ‘Crypteia’, a type of secret police, in Sparta.
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@Simplehistory 3 жыл бұрын

@robertalexanderpeets7317 3 жыл бұрын

First To comment

@Somewhereinthisuniverse 3 жыл бұрын

First comment

@ornellafrancis2466 3 жыл бұрын

Nice

@ArpanDe 3 жыл бұрын

Makin' REALLY nice videos

@jasonhatt4295 3 жыл бұрын

“I didn’t know they had a secret police!” See how secret they are!

@charlesmoody7403 3 жыл бұрын

Good secret police not only operate in the shadows but just as well in plain sight by simply blending into the background or into title placed upon them thats why the gestapo were so effective u knew who they were by the presence they gave off but you'd never truly know they intentions or plan of actions until they're well in motion id equate these guys to something similar to a modern day spook or frogman style of unit

@arandomcommenter0135 3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm yes the floor here is made of floor

@lordpfeiffer8490 3 жыл бұрын

a sercret police is something everyone knows exist but doesn't know whoses in it.

@johnmarston3820 3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesmoody7403 i had a stroke reading your comment

@SuperEcwchampion 3 жыл бұрын

For real. I knew about the KGB and others, but I didn't know Sparta had one.

@ChristianVBlue3 3 жыл бұрын

Slave: “Wait there’s a secret police here??” Crypteia: “Always has been” **stab**

@deepakreddy9394 3 жыл бұрын

it should be more like slave: wait, its all crypteia Crypteia: always has been *dagger stab*

@boomboone47 3 жыл бұрын

Deepak Reddy, Yeeesss, lol.

@elizabethlindquist8847 3 жыл бұрын

@epistimonkapetanios 3 жыл бұрын

So accurate!

@lvlc6023 2 жыл бұрын

KGB: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."

@footballman271 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t have a effective military society without some form of secret police

@gorka1392 3 жыл бұрын

Thats just vibe gg

@koimeme 3 жыл бұрын

@Ezic General games

@bigsig981 3 жыл бұрын

That’s so true

@footballman271 3 жыл бұрын

Jack Me-Hoff that is also true

@belstar1128 3 жыл бұрын

Sparta was a real nightmare dystopia.

@yoyoyomartinjason4866 3 жыл бұрын

Spy: "It could be you, it could be me, it could even be...." "Boom headshot"

@GMKGoji01 3 жыл бұрын

Scout: WOAH, WOAH, WOAH! Soldier: What? It was obvious! He's the Red Spy. Watch, he'll turn red any second now... Aaaaany second now... See? Red! No, wait, that's blood.

@geesecouchtaming7223 3 жыл бұрын

What?it was obvius!

@cr0sad3r70 3 жыл бұрын

A bit stolen but ok?

@mikaneous1140 3 жыл бұрын

@@cr0sad3r70 repeated, but ok?

@cr0sad3r70 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikaneous1140 my internet went poo poo a bit and repeated my reply

@lightninghawk5981 3 жыл бұрын

So these were the guys that kept attacking me in Sparta in AC:Odyssey every time I would steal from civilians

@adipocere3340 3 жыл бұрын

@@RatBagger True that

@lightninghawk5981 3 жыл бұрын

MathRune it’s just they tried too damn hard to make it into The Witcher 3, AC Origins was superior in terms of story, character development, and less grinding

@Kjajo 3 жыл бұрын

@@RatBagger for me i like where the games are going, but not as assassin creed

@carlosnathanieljannjusonal4826 3 жыл бұрын

MathRune try Ac Bloodlines Ac for psp

@purpleteaisme 3 жыл бұрын

The true assassins

@cannonball666 3 жыл бұрын

The Cryptea were chosen among Sparta's best fighters. *Stabs woman and old man in the back*

@bakaweiner6956 3 жыл бұрын

The best way to kill someone is to kill them without having them see their killer at any cost. *No honour was needed...*

@Ratched45 3 жыл бұрын

@@bakaweiner6956 you missed the point, itll be extremely disgraceful for a spartan to be doing that

@bakaweiner6956 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ratched45 One should be notice that these guys worked secretly. Why should they go around and announced that they are Spartans? Why should they stabbed someone in front of other people in the open area?

@Ratched45 3 жыл бұрын

@@bakaweiner6956 I never said anything about them announcing who they are. I'm talking about them having standards and being raised with dignity. For their society back then, going around killing children and women is extremely disgraceful within their country(yes, they did consider them and Greece separated)

@apalahartisebuahnama7684 3 жыл бұрын

Best fighters.... For killing woman and old man from behind.

@DreadnoughtHvor 3 жыл бұрын

"Killing anyone without the fear of punishment was a recipe for tyranny." Geheime Staatspolizei: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."

@a.l.e.x8118 3 жыл бұрын

off to the gulag you go ehm yea or something like that

@aleksandarvil5718 3 жыл бұрын

*NKVD* ; *KGB* : **SOVIET ANTHEM INTENSIFIES**

@Blinman12 3 жыл бұрын

@@aleksandarvil5718 ☭

@kinderboeken55 3 жыл бұрын

GESTAPO HAS ENTERED THE CHAT

@wilfdarr 3 жыл бұрын

Ironic that Comrade Duch died this very week?

@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 3 жыл бұрын

This makes me grateful that I wasn't born during that era

@Dot.17 3 жыл бұрын

True....

@hehaufhauxgs 3 жыл бұрын

Same

@yamingoat 3 жыл бұрын

Secret police still exist today in some places

@KikogamerJ2 3 жыл бұрын

@@yamingoat pretty sure it exist almost everywhere but in some places it's very weak or less present or just cares about more important people

@creativeicon5628 3 жыл бұрын

same

@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy 3 жыл бұрын

Autumn in Sparta: Crypteia: “Here I go killing again!!!”

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 3 жыл бұрын

Modern people talk about boogeymen to scare eachother. Back then the boogeyman talked about the Crypteians

@blaine8197 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if that intro made me want to laugh or cry

@wattsnottaken1 3 жыл бұрын

Blaine I like making people laugh and cry I’m a....family guy

@animeyahallo3887 3 жыл бұрын

They aren't secret anymore cus we now all know them. Oh wait ....

@zetsu0737 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@awatarasakawiraaji2040 3 жыл бұрын

"we have won, but at what cost?"

@Sovietube 3 жыл бұрын

You are on the list now... no witnesses

@Marcs_NotOut 3 жыл бұрын

*Right behind you music plays*

@Simplehistory 3 жыл бұрын

This was their reveal

@Elpidamel 3 жыл бұрын

I'm Greek and we unfortunately have never been taught that in school. Thanks for the video, it was very interesting!

@houseplant1016 10 ай бұрын

Nobody can ever learn whole Greek history💀😔

@aarengraves9962 8 ай бұрын

Ngl teaching 15 years olds about the secret police of Sparta is kinda weird.

@eu_bebo_oleo 5 ай бұрын

@@aarengraves9962 Lmao how?

@nicholasryan7766 3 жыл бұрын

The two solders practicing with spears: "Ok, stab, stab, and twirl the spear. And stab, stab, and twirl the spear. And stab, stab, and twirl the spear."

@ZumbieGuy 3 жыл бұрын

I love how the animation quality has improved. I remember when the faces were simple ovals with dots and mouths, now they have noses, defined jaws and side profiles. Keep at it!

@seymorebutts5771 3 жыл бұрын

Persian soldier: "I heard there was a spy amongst us" *Solider with in full Spartan gear walks by* Spartan: "hey guys how's it going, I'm taking a trip to Sparta tomorrow"

@JotaroKujo-nj4bx 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jdek11432 I don’t know. Alexios is leaving to visit Sparta tomorrow but that’s not strange in the slightest

@cageybee7221 3 жыл бұрын

"killing anyone without fear of punishment is a recipe for tyranny" how topical......

@Guy.B 3 жыл бұрын

Some say, perfect timing.

@dedeferreira98 3 жыл бұрын

Cry baby

@palmerphotojournal5403 3 жыл бұрын

Says the guy with a Stalin pfp

@GarfieldRex 3 жыл бұрын

Spartans always saw themselves as conquerors, in a permanent state of conquest, and not as legitimate owners of the land. Very interesting civilization indeed.

@whatdabrutedoin3681 3 жыл бұрын

"It could be any one of us!"

@zetsu0737 3 жыл бұрын

Yes..

@f12cio77 3 жыл бұрын

Liked this comment

@awatarasakawiraaji2040 3 жыл бұрын

"It could be you, it could be me, it could even be-"

@geesecouchtaming7223 3 жыл бұрын

It could be you,it could be me,it could even be _ded_

@myhonestreaction6217 3 жыл бұрын

Tf2 reference?

@awatarasakawiraaji2040 3 жыл бұрын

Criminal: I used to live in Athens The crypteia: *THIS IS SPARTA!*

@mogetius7337 3 жыл бұрын

maybe Athens, at Roman Times Sparta was not indipendent...

@TheHeavyModd 3 жыл бұрын

@Polandball at least make the joke historically correct when you're on a history related comment section

@mcj2219 3 жыл бұрын

Rome??

@awatarasakawiraaji2040 3 жыл бұрын

THERE, better?

@mcj2219 3 жыл бұрын

@@awatarasakawiraaji2040 Rome=Athens

@lenin4074 3 жыл бұрын

Plushie: *is on sale* me: *wants it* my wallet: ima stop you right there

@koimeme 3 жыл бұрын

S-s-same

@Anonymous-er1nq 3 жыл бұрын

i can paypal u

@samiam619 3 жыл бұрын

The last plushie I bought was Howard Stern duck, “Quack of All Media”.

@triciarossiter6292 3 жыл бұрын

Same

@teoborges3949 3 жыл бұрын

Cereal isn't a soup

@pepper7171 3 жыл бұрын

"It could be in this very room. It could be you. It could be me. It could even be-". "Whoa, whoa, whoa" "What? It was obvious." Yes i know there another type of this comments.

@shukitheconscious3150 3 жыл бұрын

he'll turn red any second now...

@heathbar06 3 жыл бұрын

This would have been an awesome origin of the assassin's creed games. You play as one of these rookie assassin's honing your stealth, killing, and survival skills. Then you start to turn to the side of the slaves and fight against the spartans.

@t-34-36 3 жыл бұрын

Looks around: nothing "Hehe, time to steal some bre-" Turns around: *BACKSTAB* *SPY LAUGHING SOUND INTENSIFIES*

@ardantop132na6 3 жыл бұрын

That commentor is a *SPY!*

@juliusmatijosius2219 3 жыл бұрын

You just got *TRICKSTABBED*

@Jimmy2003MLPFIM 3 жыл бұрын

Tf2 spy backstab

@DanielMartin-eq2kk 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone gangster till the scared plushie starts talking

@kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps this is where the word “cryptic” originates from.

@litenantjv 3 жыл бұрын

it indeed means covert hidden

@lolyankovic6952 3 жыл бұрын

i feel no they both arise from the word crypta

@kennymccormick8906 3 жыл бұрын

@williamseymourjones9430 3 жыл бұрын

I really love the long shot of the crypteia sleeping on the hill at the end. In this modern age you rarely see a shot that long but it really gives a fellow a chance to let it sink in and empathize and feel what it must’ve been like to have been one of these soldiers wins ago sleeping on a hill...

@UCSPanther20 3 жыл бұрын

For the Spartan Similar caste, serving in the Crypteia was effectively a rite of passage and the equivalent of a final exam, to show the trainers that the youth had what it took to be a warrior. Helots were often used as training dummies to hone the killer instincts of young men born into Sparta's warrior-elite.

@darkmusky9851 3 жыл бұрын

FBI be like: "Oh we have a competitor boys!"

@tlshortyshorty5810 3 жыл бұрын

more like the ATF

@QuestionEverythingButWHY 3 жыл бұрын

"Treat your men as you would your own beloved sons. And they will follow you into the deepest valley." --Sun Tzu

@aidanlabadnoy3795 3 жыл бұрын

this is accurate. Great job simple history!

@NateChannel-bz7yn 3 жыл бұрын

Animation movements and expressions keep getting better and better. Also the detail. Great channel.

@grahamcochran5400 3 жыл бұрын

Actually a fair and balanced analysis of an aspect of Spartan structure. I have seen far too many channels take ancient sources at face value without consideration of bias and/or exaggeration. Personally used Xenephon's and Plutarch's accounts the most when I had to do a term paper on Spartan Political structure across it's history.

@paulofelipebbraga9634 3 жыл бұрын

CIA guy: hey that's my grandpa!

@ollyw1570 3 жыл бұрын

Simple history are just legends love their videos so much

@BA9000 3 жыл бұрын

2:28 "Here, we see the Cypteia, sleeping on a bed of warm sand on a hill, to keep an eye out for enemies whilst resting before going back on the hunt for simps" - David Attenborough.

@dim7239 3 жыл бұрын

Im buying one of those plushies lookin' nice

@justinjavier977 3 жыл бұрын

I imagine them doing protest and having signs like defund the Crypetia

@tai-yomaruno3680 3 жыл бұрын

And when there's even the slightest sign of danger they immediately call the Crypetia haha

@PedloProductions 3 жыл бұрын

Helots: “excuse me sir it’s quite hot could I maybe get some water?” Crypteia: “welp here we go killing again!”

@juanmarcodelacruz8200 3 жыл бұрын

Greek civilian:goona do some drugs Crypteia:right behind you

@badboyhal0 3 жыл бұрын

Hey simple history I love your videos

@MustacheCashStash125 3 жыл бұрын

"Mad man! You're a mad man!" "Earth and water. You'll find plenty of both down there." "No man, Persian or Greek, no man threatens a messenger!" You bring the crowns and heads of conquered kings to MY CITY STEPS!, You insult my queen, you threaten my people with SLAVERY AND DEATH! Oh I've chosen my words carefully Persian, perhaps you should've done the same." "This is blasphemy! This is MADNESS!" *long silence* "Madness? THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" *K I C K*

@weirdsciencethe2nd205 3 жыл бұрын

Messanger ahhhhh as he falls

@junetta_aep_breaccglas 3 жыл бұрын

Damn i just got this on the reccommendation lol never knew i was early

@Thaligamathor 3 жыл бұрын

This channel rocks my socks. Thank you for all your Hard work

@cwedvin5748 3 жыл бұрын

No better time to post this. I am currently learning about these times at school. I'll be sending this video to all my entire class :D

@danielshifron5672 3 жыл бұрын

They should make a HBO show about Sparta.

@burakaskan9483 3 жыл бұрын

Just sad that there is sooo few reliable sources of Sparta. Since Spartan slaves or citizens were either doing hard labor or in the military. The only sources are from outside of Sparta with most of them having a bias against them.

@danielshifron5672 3 жыл бұрын

Burak Askan Well we know Thuyudices who was a Spartan historian during the Peloponnesian wars

@frederickoftheartic2209 3 жыл бұрын

Girls: You don't know how hard it feels to be unrecognized Me, who watched this on my smart TV when there were still 12 views and couldn't comment anything:

@aclown36 3 жыл бұрын

*>:)*

@nikjoh06 3 жыл бұрын

Why would being early on a video make you recognised?

@TiredGradStudent 3 жыл бұрын

Why does a smart TV matter

@couchgamingnews9379 3 жыл бұрын

Why am I here

@thestealthymoose9674 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, I love simple history! I would’ve never known about these guys!

@madmatrixpro758 3 жыл бұрын

Ordered major Mike simply because this channel is awesome

@spohnmatt9692 3 жыл бұрын

When your so early the only comment is simples history

@USSCYT 3 жыл бұрын

Yea.

@bawicz0 3 жыл бұрын

.aeY

@ernieproductions7354 3 жыл бұрын

@ComradeDoubleM 3 жыл бұрын

@bravomike4734 3 жыл бұрын

Oh that's real simple.

@tae-whankim9821 3 жыл бұрын

Ubisoft Assassin creed division: "WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!"

@lulzikek 3 жыл бұрын

I love your vids, guys!

@prakashghumaliya2002 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for video sir

@Jobe-13 3 жыл бұрын

1:50 Actually, correction, they “graduated” from the Agoge at 20.

@hectoraliegbe9429 2 жыл бұрын

Reaching the age of 20 is not considered to be a Spartan male's "graduation" from the Agoge. Instead the youth would enter into the final age category within the training program known as "Hebontes" (Age: 20-29). Though the Spartan male would be eligible for military service, they were not considered to be a "Spartiate" (Elite full-citizen of Sparta) and was still under the direct authority of the "Paidonomos" (Boy-herder). It was only at the age of 30 would the Spartan male graduate from the Agoge and become a "Spartiate", though he still must serve in the military until he reaches the age of 60.

@Jobe-13 2 жыл бұрын

@@hectoraliegbe9429 That’s good to know. Thanks.

@DeadChannel420 3 жыл бұрын

So the one that said "this is sparta" was the leader of these crypteians

@charliearevalo2976 3 жыл бұрын

I love this video after I fond this channel I love it keep it up bro 😊

@jetfire245 3 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed your disclosure talking about the potential bias from other civilizations. Nice video.

@clonerone1238 3 жыл бұрын

Plush: Once i'm gone, i'm gone Me: Press f to pay respects

@n-s-a7113 3 жыл бұрын

@mariellevandenborne2361 3 жыл бұрын

@hinapatel7327 3 жыл бұрын

@zulkifligumilang3155 3 жыл бұрын

The NKVD of Lacedaemon

@Newdivide 3 жыл бұрын

Another video in two days? Awesome

@raymondcustomfit8448 3 жыл бұрын

Best way to learn history.......Its so simple and interesting

@skjorta1984 3 жыл бұрын

"3 weeks, from September 4th to the 18th" **Processing...*

@sergeantwillyt8860 3 жыл бұрын

“This, is! Sparta! *kick person into the endless pit*”

@thetriumphofthethrill2457 3 жыл бұрын

Good video, fascinating.

@noahzirk 3 жыл бұрын

This channel is the best for history

@GMKGoji01 3 жыл бұрын

Well, in the words of Leonidas, THIS IS SPARTA!

@ai7120 3 жыл бұрын

Your history is the best

@MrLouis-of3yl 3 жыл бұрын

You guys need to do a video on Edmund Roman Orlick. He was the very first tank ace of ww2. His story is amazing and perfect for this channel.

@QuestionEverythingButWHY 3 жыл бұрын

"Not all battles are fought for victory. Some are fought simply to tell the world that someone was there on the battlefield." - Ravish Kumar

@RizaRedRose 3 жыл бұрын

Spy: "I never really was on your side." Edit: Holy Flying Soldier, I wasn't expecting this many likes, thanks everyone.

@ncrtrooper4546 3 жыл бұрын

*Trickstab noises on the stair*

@user-cu6qq9bp2t 3 жыл бұрын

Old time classic.

@happyalltheday2275 3 жыл бұрын

Hon hon hon!

@enderdrone6432 3 жыл бұрын

Baguette noises

@SlyCooper1920 3 жыл бұрын

*Laugh snorts in french*

@Cb138inRs 3 жыл бұрын

This is the kind of simple history I live for

@thiccgunman882 3 жыл бұрын

They still had a good animation like in the past I watched this channel for 2 years now its good to past my times and learn the history

@alanwestmoreland6152 3 жыл бұрын

Why was this not a ac: odyssey dlc, I'll never know.

@thelivingcactus9348 3 жыл бұрын

This should’ve been the main game

@HungryLoki 3 жыл бұрын

There were some quests involving the crypteia in the main game.

@fuzzelz502 3 жыл бұрын

ok now im bonding with the persians while watching 300

@jonahthebutterbeerdrinker4166 3 жыл бұрын

I just pre order the plushie couldn't help it. It looks adorable mate! Lol im hoping could you do history of spartacus?

@user-hm6kl6lf9z 3 жыл бұрын

I love this 😍 channel so much 😻

@LewdJared 3 жыл бұрын

The introduction are funny asl 😂

@zetsu0737 3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@normaldutch1285 3 жыл бұрын

Cringe

@LewdJared 3 жыл бұрын

normal Dutch yes, but in a good way

@t-posetimmy6834 3 жыл бұрын

Lewd Jared yes

@cr0sad3r70 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah lol

@aaiman6288 3 жыл бұрын

3:03 that's kinda psycho

@T3nMiDGET5711 3 жыл бұрын

I love how he gave the plushie a little voice

@paulcowlishaw 3 жыл бұрын

Hope you all are keeping well

@mafiousbj 3 жыл бұрын

This begs the question "what did Spartan women do?" Males were warriors and they had slaves who did the farming. So i guess all this helped Spartan women to earn a reputation of being "more involved into politics" and having more general freedom than the rest of the Greek world with all that free time they had

@TaliesinKnol 3 жыл бұрын

Also, having kids to make more Spartans.

@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 3 жыл бұрын

Spartan women exercised and had kids, and unlike other Greek women, they could own property and inherit things (unlike everywhere else where inheritance went to the eldest male child, in Sparta, it went to the wife), though they couldn't vote (yes, Sparta had a limited form of democracy kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptZ3dsWZnc3Lhac.html)

@mafiousbj 3 жыл бұрын

@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 so they were like ancient greek trophy wives? ^^

@jordansblabbering6303 3 жыл бұрын

"If the cryptie got caught during his mission, he was punished severely by the spartans themselves." Just like when young Hitler did anything.

@elcactus4058 3 жыл бұрын

Lovely episode and love the plushie but you guys should do the pastry war

@ostrich9788 3 жыл бұрын

great video

@MegaKaiser45 3 жыл бұрын

0:02 He looks like Flippy from Happy Tree Friends.

@frosty467 3 жыл бұрын

Them plushies look nice gonna buy one

@tabulldog2743 3 жыл бұрын

Highly recommend checking out the comic "Three" by Kieron Gillen, it has the Crypteia in it and is a pretty cool story about a Helot slave revolt against the Spartans.

@kingofcrimson4177 3 жыл бұрын

Rome's Frumentarii need a video too. Ty for this interesting video.

@kskmohanty5559 3 жыл бұрын

People from soviet union- *hey! I've seen this one*

@AR-Rehman98 3 жыл бұрын

0:01 well you gotta hand it to them, the animators and script writers are pretty innovative

@joshjackson2580 3 жыл бұрын

That's actually cool, thank you

@jagosto5 3 жыл бұрын

When the video showed the farmers working, I swear to God, I could hear the Age of Empires game music in my head.

@hiimryan2388 3 жыл бұрын

KGB: my true predecessor!

@dedeferreira98 3 жыл бұрын

Americans crying like: "OuR poLiCe iS OpReSsivE anD MiliTariZeD"

@joshuabonife7573 3 жыл бұрын

Crypteia. Sounds like I now have a new code name for an assassin build for my RPGs.

@EzioAuditore 3 жыл бұрын

That ending is amazing

@siongteck8371 3 жыл бұрын

This plushy soldier toy gives me the creeps. It reminds me of Child’s Play Charlie Doll 😬

@wilfdarr 3 жыл бұрын

RIGHT!? So glad it's not just me!

@nicholaswhite4021 3 жыл бұрын

I think he would protect you.

@JoshandCatherine 3 жыл бұрын

And people think the Spartans were defending "freedom" at Thermopylae.... sure, their freedom. But their society was incredibly oppressive and evil, they for sure weren't fighting for democracy.

@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236 3 жыл бұрын

The Spartans weren't even Greeks, they were occupiers themselves

@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 3 жыл бұрын

@@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236 They spoke Doric Greek

@cristhianramirez6939 3 жыл бұрын

Nobody even said Sparta was democratic, they were fighting to not be governed by a foreign state

@epistimonkapetanios 3 жыл бұрын

I do not like democracy. I mean, who rules better? An experienced monarch, or 100 random guys?

@Le-eu4bf 3 жыл бұрын

@@epistimonkapetanios 100 random guys elected by the poeple. Or a king experienced in fucking their own poeple for the aristocracy