That is so profound and an excellent point. Thank you

Melanie Clark great point

I’ve heard the voice of suicide. It called to me so clear and so convincing one night that I literally ran from the room and ran for my life. My husband and I had both lost a parent. He lost his mother to Lou Garricks 45 days later my father died of a heart attack. I had been physically sick for many months. I was taking an experimental drug that was causing much suffering including depression. OxyContin was introduced and the train left the station. To me the voice of suicide said this “I can’t take it anymore and it’s never going to change” those 2 thoughts repeatedly bombard my mind. Then suddenly the third and final suggestion comes and it says “ take all these pills” or “one quick bang” those three thoughts ran a track in my head until I nearly followed them

Corporations- the source of all suffering in America today.

Melanie: Talk to me.

I wanted to jump through the screen and run up to the stage and hug him tightly

Cleen likewise. I came to the comments after feeling the lump in my throat. It sucks that everyone with depression feels alone :/

same.... I almost cried ...

I hope that you guys are okay these days. Please be safe and remember that people care about you, even if it may not feel like it sometimes. If you are feeling troubled, maybe professional help is the answer, or talking to a trusted friend about what you are going through. Wish you all the best.

Hi Jack, I believe that is the most common presenting reason: you feel trapped by circumstances.

thebeardless There is no Free Will!

The idea of that is what has caused my depression

John Nieuwenburg you are amazing good luck🌹👌🏻

lol basically. this is why i was suicidal.

This is the saddest truth

It is because the vast majority of success stories are males.

You hit the nail on the head!

Our health system is not helping. We should do something about this.

Moved me right to tears, my god 😭😭

The #1 reason it doesn't get recognized is because the vast majority of the 40,000 are males.

@@daveycrockett6781 maybe dont generalise not all lot ye but a lot dent women do support men

Soon all illnesses (emotional, mental, physical) will be cured, as promised in Isaiah 33:24: "And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error." And in Isaiah 35:5 and 6: "At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. At that time the lame will leap like the deer, and the tongue of the speechless will shout for joy." But, there are much more good things to come... Think about it!

@@luzalgarin9518 I'm no Christian but I recognize how poetic, beautiful and triumphant that quote is.

It is not a flaw whatsoever but suicide is a character flaw. There is a difference.

Exactly

@@juanpablo8886 What?

@Roberto Insingo WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YEAH ITS NOT RIGHT BUT SUICIDE IS NOT THE ANSWER,its never the answer no matter how old you are if you think that suicide is the answer then seek professional help please

Your a Long time dead trust me thurs no hurry + ya Don't kill the pain you only pass it on to loved one's ect hold in there its ok not to be ok and its good to talk

Allison Bran people, even close family members are to afraid to talk “feelings” but rather would stay superficial and inauthentic which triggers trust issues. It is a sad world. Jesus is the only WAY that keeps me from feeling alone. HE is always with me and heals the emptiness I suffer with my disease. God Bless You.

@@loveahusky suicide not allowed

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We're all caught up in our own lives until something pulls us out of the daily hypnotic state. You're right, sometimes it's an attempt. Sometimes even that's not enough. My daughter's multiple attempts were not enough to break through my depressed state for many years. It doesn't mean I didn't care about her, I didn't have the capacity.

@@JackieSimmons-NoDrama who is your lord grave first question

Will you not fear Allah

It’s because no one really acts how they feel. Everyone puts on a fake personality, and they shift it to fit the situation they’re in. When they’re in a position where they’re pressured to show sympathy, they will pretend to.

Respectively Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of lords

very sorry. My uncle committed suicide in 1987. Suicide is very destructive to the survivors. If you still encounter difficulties, I would strongly encourage you to seek counseling for yourself. Can make all the difference. Take care.

I'm so sorry. Suicide is not an easy thing to deal with. My boyfriend and one of my friends tried to kill themselves and I've had my own moments as well. I know how much it can hurt. All the best for you

@Meg Doyle Did you not see it coming?

@@caller145 ❤

@@jonneiss7562 ❤

"Are you willing to join me"? *voice stutters* "lets change the world"! Love this talk ,it was so inspirational and emotional

He was not being vulnerable. But honest. It took STRENGTH. He has it. He is a Fighter and a Survivor. He WILL make it.

@@brendaperez2116 Being vulnerable is being honest. You cannot be honest without allowing yourself to be vulnerable.

@@haidengeary8277 wife back door not allowed ect

@@brendaperez2116 wife back door not allowed ect

Interesting because I have felt that feeling at rare moments after dark so yes, there is a connection.

@@daveycrockett6781 You are left to your mind and all snafus of the day come to the front come to the front, as well as everything in your life that needs to be done or figured out that you have yet to do. Overwhelmed and claustrophobic are the same feeling, I think.

@@Kerosene.Dreams Perhaps you make a valid analogy that has me thinking so TU.

@Humble Guy ❤

@Humble Guy yes, ❤

Carolyn Lyford Sullivan very well said🥰

And the worst thing: You really start to understand the steps you have to take to appear fine. It's said that people dealing with depression have a more accurate grasp on reality. Maybe that's a factor in understanding what people commonly believe to be a "normal" life. And one more point: Antidepressants are some of the most expensive medication out there, partly because they can screw you up so entirely, you're not only out of this life, you're two lifes over. People dealing with depressions take these antidepressants and then, afterwards, appear normal. This heavy medication, so powerful, is already in that illusion of a normal life.

@@sorrowandsufferin924 the most horrible part is that the longer you have depression the shorter or smaller your perception on the window of time gets. You start to lose the ability to look in the future and the past, you increasingly cannot see what lies ahead of you, and what lies behind you. You get trapped in a continious present of pain. There is only now, and now is here, and here is now. You are stuck, trapped in a present with only the presence of pain. Of pain and existential terror. Sure, suicide might seem like the easy way out, but only because they dont know how incredibly hard and awful the road is to get here. And here is now. *bang*

Dawn Anderson agree🙏🙏🤗🤗❤️❤️

Pulling the Strings Get help, please. Call the national suicide hotline if you wish to remain anonymous or seek help through family, teachers, or friends.

Suicide isn't a choice I'd make but I judge noone

@@dawnanderson611 suicide not allowed

@@supahspyrosonicfan98 suicide not allowed

I’m so sorry!!

@@divinereference thank you, the way back to life for us, the family has been hard. I know can feel happy again, happy that i had the privilege to have my beautiful boy for as long as i did. I visit his grave every week, it is covered with flowers, i often sit there and talk to my boy, and play some of the music i know he loved. He is not walking with me, walking with us anymore. But he knows that his father and family loved him dearly. And - that he is not forgotten.

Olga Maria Carcamo omg you're cutee

I’d like to hug you, him and everyone else who is either struggling with these issues or who is empathetic to them.

@@shizzle1903 We need more people like you, yes I need a hug too ❤.

hope you're doing better now, take care

And it's sometimes an illness and sometimes a reaction to medication and sometimes it's a biochemical imbalance in the brain. Accepting the mystery of it and helping without the need to understand it is a start.

Need for change.

@@JackieSimmons-NoDrama pOllp

....cowardice.

What often makes you hate yourself even more is that you are too much of a "coward" to kill yourself to begin with. It's more or less the other way around. (at least for me)

You are 100% right. As someone whos suffered severe depression and suicidal ideations for years. Been hospitalized more times than I can count, was on medication for years. I’ve been through pain and suffering the human brain can’t even comprehend. I’ve been to places so dark and painful you have no idea.

So true…

Thank you Jose for your kind feedback. I am glad you're still with us. :-)

❤Love & Strength to You❤

@@JohnNieuwenburg ❤

Yet at the same time you have this strange feeling of hope, like everything is finally coming to a close...

@@H3XED_OwO who is your lord grave first question

Free help - 24/7 1-800-273-8255

@@JackieSimmons-NoDrama I'm not buying it

Are you hanging in? Me too.❤

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HI Kirsten, thank you for your kind feedback. Best wishes to you going forward!

You know, mate, it really depends on your NAMI support group. Try to other county

I hope everyone here gets happier you guys deserve it.

STAYing is very brave. Thank you.

Everyone has a purpose on this earth. Life is not a competition and we all thrive at different stages. Your purpose in life will be revealed one day, maybe not tomorrow or next year but you have a purpose on this earth.

You are loved and wanted! Do not despair please! I m here if you need to talk! God bless you always.

I love your heart! 😇

I have no friends either. Never have. I truly understand.

"I don’t think I really wanted to die but I didn’t know how to live."... that is way too relatable

Brothers in Tears 💜

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I’m glad for you. Hope you continue to push. I don’t wanna

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Wish mine was xx

❤😢💕Love & Strength to You❤

How's your mission coming? I'm on the same one.

We need, and deserve more than that, more than telling us it's okay not to be okay. That's NOT okay with me. We can, and must, do more.

Neil Legacy, Please try again. I know how slim the chances of getting a good counselor are. Yet there are some good ones out there. I'm searching again myself. I'm also trying to get genetic testing done because antidepressants have never helped me. Unfortunately, the new doctor I'm going to for that says the genetic testing doesn't help. I feel like I have to do something though. I'm also going to ask him about ketamine infusions. I hate that thought of that. My only other option is to "hole up" because I've gotten to the point where I can't stand being around people.

@@goodintentions1302 ❤

happened to me, maybe in 8th grade. told that it was just puberty and hormones doing their thing, and other kids experience it too. well, i cant focken ask them if they felt so lonely they wished they were dead too, can i?? especially since i had no friends, wasnt really close to anyone, and the psychologist KNEW this. years later, even with friends, i still struggle with it. tell me any 20-something year old that still "goes through puberty", if that was really just puberty and hormones. the stupidest part was i instinctively felt like i had to avoid mental health "professionals" altogether ever since then, but never quite put the pieces together until i was about 19. only then i was like, "ooh, so thats why. so maybe am not sabotaging meself just to keep the "depressed" brand, i was scared."

@@goodintentions1302 boy, I am in exactly the same spot.

@@PHanomaly, I still am on the waiting list so haven't seen anyone yet. I've gotten into a financial bind with car repairs and more recently large dental bills. The minimal social interaction has now been changed to online only since I was, unknowingly at the time, exposed to CoVid-19 and developed a scratchy throat. I'm not as interested in the genetic testing now. I got totally ticked off with some people, kicked them out of my life, and haven't been as depressed since. The CoVid-19 hugger should have known to be careful since they'd just been in Italy. Instead, they visited all around, claiming they had a cold. I'd been fed up with their sarcasm and making a joke out of everything. They can bugger-off from now on!

Hugs.

@@JackieSimmons-NoDrama, thank you

Ye id say it is not just the pain. It is the void inside ya.

Total hero! Wow! That's one brave man!

Is this a serious statement?

How did you move on?

@@metnasopar8861 suicide not allowed

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LMAO hard pass

I hope you reconsider the fact that you're speaking for an imaginary magical wizard that you think lives in the sky :D

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if you need help go talk to your friends, family and people you trust, life can be great and will get even better after the pandemic ends so do not waste it and life have a lot of good experiences and memories that are gonna make you think it was all worth it, a lot of people who tried to end their lives remember that they changed their mind and are happy to be alive, if necessary search for help in the internet and if you can afford it call a therapist "ending your life is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" also do not be shy to call for help.

Bingo.

I get that as a theoretical framework, calling a suicide attempt a "cry for help" is feasible but come on. It's not. It's a horrible solution that people come up with in a severely compromised state of mind. They want their pain to end but cannot fix it so they take matters into their own hands. Sure, things MIGHT get better but it seems impossible. So poof, after much deliberation, the decision is made and even more deliberation is taken as the person wants the pain to end but doesn't want to die so they seesaw between going through and not. It's a stupid thing stupid people do. I should know, I've tried and know a lot of people that have. Funny but birds of a feather do flock together. My point being, you're using words that are helpful but not nessecarily truthful. Some lies are needed at the moment of pain. A person that commits suicide because they've cheated usually can't be told, "you ARE in the wrong, but you shouldn't commit suicide anyway" no matter how true that statement is. BUT it irks me. What you're doing in your words is a violation of the principle of truth and fairness. If the facts are so painful they cause people to commit suicide isn't of a higher priority to let the truth out rather than protecting the weak willed? It irks me. From a moral and ideal standpoint, it pisses me off.

My daughter attempted suicide this past year. She was on life support for a week, we weren't sure if she'd make it but, she did. She was actually pissed when she woke up in the hospital and realized we had kept her on life support. She was held in the hospital for a week more on a suicide watch. the nurses and doctors were extremely rude to her. They would complain that she was taking up a room that could be used for "real" sick people. They would tell her this was her own fault she put herself there. Obviously what she did landed her in the hospital but, the psychiatrist evaluating her should have been more sensitive. Finally they released her with the stipulation she got therapy and medication for her depression. We called at least five places within our area and all of them had a 5 to 8 month waiting list to get in to see someone. And all the private practices didn't take her insurance. She almost lost her job because her boss said she had to be in therapy before coming back to work. She tried to explain there was a 5 to 8 month waiting list. She begged her to come back to work until she could finally get in to see someone. After 2 months of being out of work, they finally gave in and let her come back. It's sad that if she had been diagnosed with cancer or some other physical illness her colleagues and bosses would have been sympathetic and rallied around her with support. But because it's a mental illness she's treated like a criminal. Her colleagues would Whisperer behind her back and they stopped talking to her. The worst part is the same people she works with work in a hospital. She is a clinical assistant and she was hospitalized in the same hospital she works in. HIPAA is supposed to protect a patient's personal information but, because she works there everybody found out. One of the nurses who works with her was the one to go and tell her boss what happened. That's when they gave her a hard time about coming back to work. That nurse had know right to say anything to the higher-ups. She said if she ever attempts again, she will make sure she doesn't make it. Especially after seeing how badly she was treated. She hides her depression from everyone because she doesn't want to be treated badly. That was the problem in the first place. She kept hiding it and pretending like nothing was wrong until it finally became too much. people always feel bad for people who are sick with a terminal illness who say they want to die because they're in too much pain. Sadly if you're in emotional pain and you want to die, you're just considered crazy and unstable. Sorry this is such a long comment. I just wanted to get my point across that even in 2019 nothing has changed :(

@@Shellyshocked no, thanks for that. I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and I hope it all works out. Some days are better than others. I hope your daughter finds the better ones. Hang in there.

Bingo!!!

Yes, me too, "I cant even pay someone to listen".

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Try living with that pain of losing someone to suicide. Try having anxiety and depression when someone takes there life. It effects more people then you will ever know.

me too!

Yes but normally depressed people avoid conversation and socializing ,it's part of the disease...when samebody really reach rock bottom nothing can help (money ,friends ,doctors...).Believe me I have been you there.

God rest his soul!😇

Elaine, thank you for your kind comments. The cause of the liver abscess was never determined. I was under the care of 5 different medical team as they tried to determine the cause. I think your theory is quite plausible. Depression and mental illness is a physical illness of the brain which gets manifested as behavioural issues. May 25 of this year is my 5th (re)birthday and I am healthier than ever. Thanks again for your lovely feedback.

W5 Coaching my doctor told me that when depression goes untreated for so long it causes physical symptoms. That happened to me, I was so sick and in and out of ERs but depression was never diagnosed. I suffered with depression for over 2 decades

@@phillkj ❤

@@W5Coaching ❤👍

Bill Blass thank you Bill

Thanks, Karen, I wish all the best to you and your family. And yes, I will and do keep telling the story!

@@JohnNieuwenburg Roger is trying to connect us so that I can interview you on The Suicide Prevention Show.

@@JackieSimmons-NoDrama I sent you a reply by email to the introduction Roger sent us.

It's on the DSM 5 it is a mental illness. Now please go away with your lies.

"Depression" is also encoded in our genes. It's what allowed our common ancestor, the caveman, to survive winters when food was scarce. The challenge is that we don't know how to adapt to our current world with our caveman wiring.

No one who chooses suicide is rational.

There are numerous examples of warriors falling onto their own swords. They did it rationally. They didn’t want to be captured by the enemy because they didn’t want to experience physical or emotional torture, and they didn’t want to give up valuable information that the enemy could exploit. They killed themselves rationally in service to their king or country.

Does someone have to be mentally ill to be suicidal?

I agree.

@@jacquelynpowell7964 personally I don’t think so, i feel like people can just get tired or bored of living or just not want life, they never asked for it to begin with, so I don’t think being suicidal means you have to have a mental illness

***** Thank you, and thanks for your help!

Yeah, me too. I'm really angry because I moved to a place 4 years ago where my attempts to get help has only been made worse by those who provide it here. It's scary because they refuse to understand that they are the problem they create. I need to find a way out of this backward place just to get the help I need. I'm hanging on only because i know it's not like this in other places. There is help available, but where I love, they punish and stigmatize more than they actually help, or even care.

@@PHanomaly Hang on in there, somehow, someway. Love to you 💜

@@peterturley1331 ❤u know that's what I really needed to hear: that someone out hears me and actually cares. There is nothing real in my life anymore, and I often wonder if anyone online is real, so thank you. You made me cry.🙏

@@PHanomaly You are, always have been, always will be, a beautiful soul. 💜 If you would like to correspond, I can give you my e-mail address. Take Care. 😔

@@peterturley1331 that would be awesome, because u offered and I dont have to feel like I'm asking someone to be a kind and generous person when that kind of negates the whole point, lol.

@Sarah, I think that fear often shows up as anger.

so sorry for your loss

May God rest his soul! 😇

May God rest his soul! 😇

So sorry for your loss. Depression is rampant in my family, I am at a loss in what to do with my own family members, who refuse help and treatment.

if you need help go talk to your friends, family and people you trust, life can be great and will get even better after the pandemic ends so do not waste it and life have a lot of good experiences and memories that are gonna make you think it was all worth it, a lot of people who tried to end their lives remember that they changed their mind and are happy to be alive, if necessary search for help in the internet and if you can afford it call a therapist "ending your life is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" also do not be shy to call for help.