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The Curious Case of Cargo Cults and the Truly Bizarre Rituals that Manifested

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Today I Found Out

Today I Found Out

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@razvan50087
@razvan50087 2 жыл бұрын
This man has more youtube channels than some youtube channels have viewers.
@RSpracticalshooting
@RSpracticalshooting 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously though Simon has 2 dozen damn channels he does videos for it feels like.
@gotalifeanditsmine
@gotalifeanditsmine 2 жыл бұрын
He is just an actor, he is only hired to read scripts written by others
@CJOwen
@CJOwen 2 жыл бұрын
@@gotalifeanditsmine er... you mean he's a narrator. Clearly a successful one and a hard working one. Not sure what the problem is.
@arx3516
@arx3516 2 жыл бұрын
Simon has several twin brothers, that's how they can mantain so many channels.
@waknbakn420
@waknbakn420 2 жыл бұрын
And he puts out videos on a few of em daily of not all of em
@doublearon9942
@doublearon9942 2 жыл бұрын
As an American with the last name Frum, I’m thinking of getting myself a crap load of cargo and go back to my people.
@TheNightWatcher1385
@TheNightWatcher1385 2 жыл бұрын
Do it
@SwagaliciousPimp
@SwagaliciousPimp Жыл бұрын
It is your destiny John ,
@attemptedunkindness3632
@attemptedunkindness3632 Жыл бұрын
You need to get your people up to speed first, start them out with tamagachis and cartons of marlboros, work your way up to fidget spinners and vape pens. Act totally surprised and oblivious to things like smart phones and the internet, it will keep you in power longer. God speed.
@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783
@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783 Жыл бұрын
Livestream 🤣😂🙏💯💯💯
@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783
@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783 Жыл бұрын
@@attemptedunkindness3632 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@aaronbasham6554
@aaronbasham6554 2 жыл бұрын
I like how Cargo Cults prove that the Mechanicus is actually somewhat realistic.
@echidnanatsuki882
@echidnanatsuki882 Жыл бұрын
Headcanon: these people are actually the descendants of the Mechanicus in the far future.
@captmulch1
@captmulch1 2 жыл бұрын
A funny one I heard from PNG was that in WW2 a local tribe cleared their own airfield, in the belief that if they created an airfield, aircraft would start arriving with cargo. A freight carrying aircraft was flying overhead and had engine trouble, saw the airfield, and landed. The locals couldn't believe their luck (see, it worked, it worked!!).
@zappyapp
@zappyapp 2 жыл бұрын
Link?
@stefanavic6630
@stefanavic6630 2 жыл бұрын
"If you build it, they will come."
@ismailbabatundebashiru6020
@ismailbabatundebashiru6020 2 жыл бұрын
Wild
@trafichat
@trafichat 2 жыл бұрын
That's freaking azycray
@Andersdahl2211
@Andersdahl2211 Жыл бұрын
@@zappyapp Have you tried google?
@robertwalker-smith2739
@robertwalker-smith2739 2 жыл бұрын
My father was in Micronesia during WWII. He told me about how amazed his fellow soldiers were at the ability of the islanders to climb coconut palms. They would offer a local a comb or Zippo for a coconut, then watch the spectacle. After the trade, the soldier would throw the coconut away. My father noticed how utterly mystified the Micronesians were by this.
@jliller
@jliller 2 жыл бұрын
What a waste of tasty coconuts.
@JessieHTX
@JessieHTX 2 жыл бұрын
The soldiers didn’t like coconuts?
@robertwalker-smith2739
@robertwalker-smith2739 2 жыл бұрын
@@JessieHTX , it was about seeing the islanders climb the trees.
@Gigawolf1
@Gigawolf1 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertwalker-smith2739 Yikes. That's kind of like asking someone to grab some food from a store to watch them drive there/buy it and then tossing it out; I'd be pissed if someone pulled that
@robertwalker-smith2739
@robertwalker-smith2739 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigawolf1 , what if they paid you for the food, then tossed it out?
@DrFiero
@DrFiero 2 жыл бұрын
Cargo cult - clearly someone had been ignoring the Prime Directive.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
As though the Enterprise crew ever followed the prime directive.
@icollectstories5702
@icollectstories5702 2 жыл бұрын
The Prime Directive doesn't seem to apply to accidents or crashes. On the flip side, "Mimsy Were the Borogroves" by "Lewis Padgett," a classic sci-fi short.
@Lawrence330
@Lawrence330 2 жыл бұрын
US GIs in particular were well-known for handing out candy bars and other treats from "back home" to locals, especially kids. It came pretty problematic in Viet Nam if I recall correctly, because the VC would give kids grenades or whatever to drop after interacting with solders. You could probably trace the more atrocious actions against "civilians" during the conflict to this weaponization of children.
@MrFreddyFartface
@MrFreddyFartface 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cargo Cult Programming is exactly the term I've been looking for to describe the maddening practices of most of my colleagues all these years
@nochan99
@nochan99 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Cargo Cult programming is a style of computer programming where you include allt the stuff you don't fully understand for good measure. It is very common in large complex and old software projects maintained by new developers because it can take a very long time for a single person to fully grasp how the system works. Over time the inclusion of unimportant stuff in the program compounds making it even more difficult to understand. EDIT: Lol just realized he mentions it at the end of the video!
@4Leka
@4Leka 2 жыл бұрын
I think cargo cult programming sums up the entirety of Microsoft Office perfectly. I guess its remnant code from the 90s is already older than most of its current devs.
@icemancometh1621
@icemancometh1621 2 жыл бұрын
I'm eternally grateful to this video. It inspired me to start my own cargo cult, and I have already begun to reap the rewards for my efforts!
@blue-nosedherringchoker4875
@blue-nosedherringchoker4875 2 жыл бұрын
I have to note that "Frumm" is an actual family name, so a "John Frum" could have existed.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe we could make a movie, "Saving Private Frum."
@ethancntower8850
@ethancntower8850 2 жыл бұрын
Or he said I'm John From.. America
@vulpes7079
@vulpes7079 2 жыл бұрын
If someone checked American military records in the Pacific for a John Frumm in the New Hebrides, then traced their lineage, maybe these people would have their next Messiah
@joe18750
@joe18750 Жыл бұрын
thank you Captain Obvious.
@fullmetaltheorist
@fullmetaltheorist 10 ай бұрын
A guy with the last name Frumm commented that he wants to go there.
@bradysmeyers5950
@bradysmeyers5950 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the versatility of Simon, I can consume biographies, true crime, and all sorts of other great things, all in the audible chocolate that is his spiffing British voice.
@SeraphRyan
@SeraphRyan 2 жыл бұрын
You might like "The Spiffing Brit" then lol. He mostly does video game exploits though.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
Like John “Froome.”
@loritracy1385
@loritracy1385 2 жыл бұрын
Brady- 😂 "audible chocolate"- yes! I shall be stealing that.
@bradysmeyers5950
@bradysmeyers5950 2 жыл бұрын
@@SeraphRyan I love the spiffing brit! He's the one who taught me how well skyrim works, and the legend of Reanu Keeves.
@DixonLu
@DixonLu 2 жыл бұрын
Simon's videos from all channels make home schooling almost feasible, at least way more palatable/effective than Zoom classes.
@danielbaulig
@danielbaulig 2 жыл бұрын
I love the color heading on your headshots. Props to the editor or whoever else did the color grading.
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, our neighborhood's first porch pirate arrested for Christmas, '21 is claiming Religious Liberty as he was raised in a Tobago cargo-cult.His mother claims the only English he spoke when they arrived was "Danke Schoen, Baby, Danke Schoen", because of a CD by Wayne Newton that washed ashore.
@jaymzx0
@jaymzx0 2 жыл бұрын
How's that working out for him?
@michaelhellwinkle9999
@michaelhellwinkle9999 2 жыл бұрын
When the only " English" you know is actually German...
@grantandrews4826
@grantandrews4826 2 жыл бұрын
Lol what the fuck.
@deaconsmom2000
@deaconsmom2000 2 жыл бұрын
There's only one English word in that phrase and it's not part of the lyrics. Danke schoen, darlin', danke schoen. I can tell where in the US you don't live since you don't seem to even speak the tiniest bit of German. What are we teaching in schools these days?
@fullmetaltheorist
@fullmetaltheorist 10 ай бұрын
He said "Thank you a lot." In German 😂
@rodanzig
@rodanzig 2 жыл бұрын
Actually we have a thriving Cargo Cult here in the USA .
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
About 70 percent of American Christianity functions like a cargo cult. Particularly the “prosperity gospel.”
@TJDious
@TJDious 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianarbenz1329 Citation needed.
@paulthegeek
@paulthegeek 2 жыл бұрын
Qanon?
@mbryson2899
@mbryson2899 2 жыл бұрын
BEZOS! BEZOS! BEZOS! =)
@alexbold4611
@alexbold4611 2 жыл бұрын
RTX 30xx cult
@angrynoodletwentyfive6463
@angrynoodletwentyfive6463 2 жыл бұрын
It's actually kinda sad if you think about it. for us It would be like if all the shopping centers just disappeared one day and nobody knew why and you just straight up couldn't get any of that stuff anymore.
@CartoonHero1986
@CartoonHero1986 2 жыл бұрын
There is a section of Warner Herzog's Into the Inferno that covered the John Frum cult since their cult has tied it into the mythos around the volcano on their island... apparently they think John Frum lives inside the volcano, but there are also a couple of "sects" of the cult now on the island.
@russell28533
@russell28533 2 жыл бұрын
If I had Elon Musk-level money, I'd buy out the contents of my local Big Lots, hire a bunch of Boy Scouts to box everything up, rent a Carnival Cruise ship and make this island's day.
@SpencerGD
@SpencerGD 2 жыл бұрын
Psht. You just need a few pallets of govt surplus auctioned goods & a Cessna. Like $500 for the pallets & maybe $50k for the plane & pilot training. Less if you can find someone who already has a plane and wants to be a tribal god.
@ismailbabatundebashiru6020
@ismailbabatundebashiru6020 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencerGD 😂😂😂😂😂
@drewpool4537
@drewpool4537 2 жыл бұрын
Simon, you have so many channels, that I'm not sure how you actually have enough time to make all the videos you produce. Good on ya mate.
@walterscogginsakathesilver6246
@walterscogginsakathesilver6246 2 жыл бұрын
Now that cargo Cult t-shirt... that's the one you need in your tea spring collection
@WaddedBliss
@WaddedBliss 2 жыл бұрын
I looked online to see if one existed. Sadly not.
@timewave02012
@timewave02012 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of the strange, dark, and mysterious, delivered in story form.
@tefkas1357
@tefkas1357 2 жыл бұрын
That last quote is such a burn. You think waiting a generation is too long? No, but if we are still here 2 millennia later then we can talk...
@QBCPerdition
@QBCPerdition 2 жыл бұрын
Applying the same logic to the Cargo Cults as to other more established religions, like Christianity, doesn't have to end up with people saying Cargo Cults should be given the same reverence, it could just as easily go the other way, that Christianity should be just as dismissed as the Cargo Cults are.
@tefkas1357
@tefkas1357 2 жыл бұрын
@@QBCPerdition Agreed
@AngryReptileKeeper
@AngryReptileKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for dad to come back from getting that pack of smokes.
@trackee2024
@trackee2024 2 жыл бұрын
It really makes you curious about who or what earlier cultures encountered when they created giant relics to summon the gods.
@stackflow343
@stackflow343 2 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of cargo cult mentality in entrepreneur scams
@thespanishinquisition4078
@thespanishinquisition4078 Жыл бұрын
The term "Cargo Cult Science" has indeed been used to define these kinds of pseudoscience for quite a while now.
@lynn109
@lynn109 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video about an engineer named Vic Tandy who established a connection between supposed paranormal activity and infrasound frequency (~19Hz), which is below the range of human hearing and also roughly the resonant frequency of our eyeballs, causing some people to 'see' things that aren't there.
@ImCarolB
@ImCarolB 2 жыл бұрын
These people must have had such fun appropriating everything material and cultural to enrich their tribal life. Back in the 70s, I was telling a man that my parents were working in Papua New Guinea. He told me the tale of being there during WWII. A tribesman invited him to his village and when he got there, it was extremely primitive, but oddly had a Masonic Lodge.
@CaptainDangeax
@CaptainDangeax 2 жыл бұрын
I work in IT and although cargo cult is common, it's also a good way of learning new things if and only if the step is not too high. After all babies learn to speak by imitating sounds they don't understand... Learning to program by first copying and then understanding is not bad either. Unfortunately, no bamboo radio will ever summon a cargo full of goods, the step is too high but add some copper zinc and lead sulfur and you'll eventually get a working radio
@sageinit
@sageinit 2 жыл бұрын
Lemme guess you haven't had to cooperate with a lot of off-shore outsourcing providers so far
@CaptainDangeax
@CaptainDangeax 2 жыл бұрын
@@sageinit If I exclude my level2 teams in Morroco, Egypt, Maurice island and France, I see you've guessed right. Oh, wait...
@MetalheadAndNerd
@MetalheadAndNerd 2 жыл бұрын
Cargo cult programming is what management people without ethics prefer because it produces quick solutions that somehow work. It allows for hiring cheaper, less experienced developers which makes management even more happy.
@CaptainDangeax
@CaptainDangeax 2 жыл бұрын
@@MetalheadAndNerd Sometimes the difference between examples from the documentation and example from stackoverflow is so tiny one cannot make the difference between copying the doc or cargo cult. Anyway, the purpose of an enterprise is to survive by earning money. At the end, the result is more important than anything else
@MetalheadAndNerd
@MetalheadAndNerd 2 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainDangeax Of course you only mean the monetary result. That your application has 3 different implementations of the same function, pasted together from 3 different forum posts, making the app behave differently depending on where the user triggers the function, you can easily explain with "Well, a computer can make a million mistakes per second."
@danielgengler4342
@danielgengler4342 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather met some of these groups during WW2. Probably could have written a book, wish he had. Always spoke highly of the island natives.
@alexbarnett8541
@alexbarnett8541 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they must have treated him very well. They believed he was a God descended from heaven after all.
@TheDunestrider
@TheDunestrider 2 жыл бұрын
I remember running into a cargo cult in Australia that got started after the pocky-eclipse. They thought "Captain Walker" was going to fly them to "Never-never Land", their idea of utopia. They thought I was Captain Walker! They didn't believe me that I wasn't Captain Walker, that there was no Never-never Land. Many of them left, and I had to rescue them and... wait a minute, I'm thinking of a movie I watched. Never mind.
@MCVessels
@MCVessels 2 жыл бұрын
That Captain Walker, his name wasn't Riddley was it? He's probably off being chased by his auntie if so.
@mememachine5501
@mememachine5501 Жыл бұрын
Were off to never never land
@deusexvesania1702
@deusexvesania1702 2 жыл бұрын
Weird as hell but interesting. Gotta love this channel.
@TheEvilCommenter
@TheEvilCommenter 2 жыл бұрын
Good video 👍
@sageinit
@sageinit 2 жыл бұрын
Someone should tell these natives about the Church of Bob
@shawnawesome7770
@shawnawesome7770 2 жыл бұрын
Bob Dobbs
@Kageoni187
@Kageoni187 2 жыл бұрын
Good lord, you are a beast. You cover all the good shit. You snd your team are killing it.
@charlesachurch7265
@charlesachurch7265 2 жыл бұрын
Sci-fi stories like "A Canticle for Liebovitz" or "Riddley Walker" come to mind.
@MCVessels
@MCVessels 2 жыл бұрын
The illuminated circuit diagram was pretty adorable, I've got to admit.
@frankharr9466
@frankharr9466 2 жыл бұрын
When put in the context of physics, programming and organization, this makes sense. The seeming bizaareness comes more from lack of familiarity with the context than it does with actual deviation with familiar human behavior.
@chrissugg968
@chrissugg968 2 жыл бұрын
Note that the hay and wire sculpture pictured at 6:37 has nothing to do with Cargo Cults. It's model of Jodrell Bank radio telescope constructed at Park Farm in Cheshire, UK around 2007.
@2Pi100
@2Pi100 Жыл бұрын
those are very common in American military bases. It absolutely has everything to do with cargo cults.
@chrissugg968
@chrissugg968 Жыл бұрын
@@2Pi100 Radio Telescopes are a common feature of American military bases?
@2Pi100
@2Pi100 Жыл бұрын
@@chrissugg968 have you ever seen an airfield?
@chrissugg968
@chrissugg968 Жыл бұрын
@@2Pi100 haha they don't have radio telescopes on them. Those are for looking at space.
@2Pi100
@2Pi100 Жыл бұрын
@@chrissugg968 not every radar dish is a radio telescope lmao
@plinkitee
@plinkitee 2 жыл бұрын
That radar dish was pretty impressive.
@CoverCode
@CoverCode 2 жыл бұрын
What you a new channel? I would never have guessed, you always seemed like the person who would only have 1 single YT channel 🤯
@pafo5950
@pafo5950 Жыл бұрын
This is incredibly humbling. Thank you for sharing this. Learning is so important. Can never learn enough objective facts.
@Metadasius
@Metadasius 2 жыл бұрын
When is whistle tube lauching?
@billrichards2177
@billrichards2177 2 жыл бұрын
crazy nice vid. jumping over to IntotheShadows as soon as this is over
@killerjoke2945
@killerjoke2945 2 жыл бұрын
Somehow reminds me of an old flick named "The gods must be Crazy"...
@brianthomas2434
@brianthomas2434 2 жыл бұрын
First heard of the cults in the final segment of the 1962 "shockumentary" Mondo Cane. Recently there are allegations that the spacecraft that was supposed to have been recovered by the US military at Roswell in 1947 was reverse engineered to provide such wonders as solid state electronics and microchips. I think that's just a jumping off point for fiction. If anyone did believe it, I would point out that 1947 scientists would understand microchips like Pacific Islanders understood aeronautics (the final shot of Mondo Cane is a mock, full size plane constructed of native wood by Islanders. I'm confident it never flew. )
@bobbun9630
@bobbun9630 2 жыл бұрын
I think you're underestimating the technical knowledge that existed in the US at that time. The transistor itself was invented in 1947, but semiconducting materials and quite a few of their properties were known in the 19th century. The first IC's ("chips") weren't invented until the late 1950's (commercially produced in the 1960's), but the basis for the photolithographic techniques used to produce them was developed well before, and those techniques are not at all dissimilar to early photographic techniques known for over a hundred years. There were no doubt a few technical hurdles to overcome and some missing pieces, but the most important missing piece was just putting all the ideas together--something a working example would have provided. That is in no way comparable to the difficulty of developing aviation with no understanding of physics, chemistry, or metallurgy and no industrial infrastructure or means of obtaining the required resources. A working example would be useless magic in that case. I do agree that any claim starting with an allegation that something came from an alien spaceship can be dismissed out of hand, though.
@abiolalafoucade9317
@abiolalafoucade9317 2 жыл бұрын
Finally he is doing a video about black people Finally 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@farn451
@farn451 2 жыл бұрын
They serve as a very good example of what may have happened in the ancient past too when more advanced ancient people met more "primitive peoples".
@koki84ji7
@koki84ji7 9 ай бұрын
And how religions are formed😂
@Melissa0774
@Melissa0774 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if something kind of similar is at play on North Sentinel Island, but the opposite. Like maybe they also think that outsiders are supernatural figures too, but instead of venerating them, they think they're like the devil and think they're evil because of that guy, (I forget his name) who kidnapped and I think raped some of them in the 17 or 1800's.
@1TrueGem
@1TrueGem 2 жыл бұрын
These are always so fascinating to me. Thanks for yet another great topic Whistler gang.
@Morbos1000
@Morbos1000 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you showed modern examples from science and tech. It is very easy to slip into the fallacy that the people on Vanuatu are primitive when the truth is people are all the same at heart and all of us are prone to believing nonsense if the circumstances are right.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
Tbf they are primitive.
@tignight3645
@tignight3645 2 жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. no the are not
@benracer
@benracer 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god. We just talked about this on monday in my anthropology class
@dylanporras2655
@dylanporras2655 2 жыл бұрын
I was stationed in Hawaii and we were getting some missions to Vanuatu and PNG. After an Intel brief about the cargo cults, they would not let anyone with blue eyes fly the missions. It was hilarious.
@Lazy_.Lavender
@Lazy_.Lavender Жыл бұрын
Why?
@Corsuwey
@Corsuwey 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the movie, "The Gods Must Be Crazy!"
@theCidisIn
@theCidisIn 2 жыл бұрын
Another new channel! Who would've guessed!? Another new sub? Who would've guessed?
@bpwn3r
@bpwn3r 2 жыл бұрын
This channel has been around for years. I actually didn't notice how many channels Simon was on until I read all these comments.
@matthewdopler8997
@matthewdopler8997 2 жыл бұрын
Cargo cult in business sounds like one of the problems at Theranos.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
Good overview, Simon. Thanks for pointing out that looking down on the “Cargo Cults” involves cultural skewing. The “prosperity gospel” of multimillionaire Joel Osteen is on the same cognitive level as these islanders’ belief systems. Who are Americans to judge?
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
It's really irrelevant if other people also believe silly things. Cargo cultists are still primative and irrational.
@TesterAnimal1
@TesterAnimal1 2 жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. yes. They believe a messiah who was killed by the Romans will return and save them. It’s quite pathetic.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
@@TesterAnimal1Who cares? It's also quite irrelevant.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. Did you notice, that they have a political party, with some seats in the assembly? What is primitive about them that is not also evident in our culture? We have enthusiastic religous zealots that organize political parties or blocs in many of the western nations. As for "primitive," the point many in then vid were making is that the massive influx of materials goods stiunted their development, because it prompted some to believe they did not need to work. Compare to the rise of lotteries and the decline of working and saving here in the U.S that has accompanied the irrational belief that one can get rich by lucky numbers. I see parallels.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
@@TesterAnimal1 And they hoist handmade icons in their yards in shapes of the symbols of that messiah. We''d never see that here in the rational and advanced U.S.!
@Abstormal
@Abstormal 2 жыл бұрын
Darker?! SOLD! Subscribed!
@riffdagg6701
@riffdagg6701 2 жыл бұрын
Cargo Cults can explain a lot about our ancient history
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
How so?
@andiward7068
@andiward7068 2 жыл бұрын
Given they are a 20th Century construct, I'm interested in your take.
@bigsprucerabbitry6238
@bigsprucerabbitry6238 2 жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. When the aliens visited of course ;-P
@joeb8935
@joeb8935 2 жыл бұрын
Are you trying to imply this is how mythologies and such got started? Because these cargo cults only happened because these people all ready had such beliefs
@TK2692
@TK2692 2 жыл бұрын
A cargo cult approach to history certainly does explain how people can look at aspects of the ancient world and conclude it must have been the work/influence of aliens.
@MajinSayon
@MajinSayon 2 жыл бұрын
Always be wary of magical thinking.
@tobiaswilhelmi4819
@tobiaswilhelmi4819 Жыл бұрын
Also an interesting topic is the "Reverse Cargo Cults", I think introduced by political researcher Ekaterina Schulman. It describes the tendency of post-soviet states, especially Russia, to create imitations of democratic institutions just to prove that they are dysfunctional, therefor the democratic institutions in the western hemisphere must also be dysfunctional.
@sam1812seal
@sam1812seal 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting to make a video exploring cultural practices that many in the west find rather obtuse and superstitious; only to use a western religious/cultural practice (fear of exposed women’s breasts) that many in the pacific islands might think exactly the same about.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a premise for anti-western, ideological drivel. And there's already enough of that.
@sam1812seal
@sam1812seal 2 жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. I’m firmly against all ideological drivel. Its origin or target really don’t matter to me at all.
@ClockworkEngineer
@ClockworkEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Dang, how'd you miss out on "Christians are waiting for their non-existant savior too" as a the comparable western practice.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
@@ClockworkEngineer It was in the video.
@sam1812seal
@sam1812seal 2 жыл бұрын
@@ClockworkEngineer sorry, I had that in response to a different comment. “Doesn’t sound much more superstitious than praying to a representation of a tortured and murdered man and expecting him to pop down for round 2 at some point.” I considered adding a reference to Bill Hicks’ JFK memorial rifle pin badge joke, but thought that might be going a bit far.
@Auriorium
@Auriorium 2 жыл бұрын
I can say that Cargo Cult mentality can also be present in corporations and other work environment.
@LaineyBug2020
@LaineyBug2020 2 жыл бұрын
One starts to think, 'Would it be better for someone to go in and show them how to build the infrastructure to produce these goods?' But that's not rally what they want, they're waiting for someone to just drop it in their lap, because the colonists or armies or whoever never bothered to set up any long term infrastructure to be independent, just depended on shipments from the homeland for however long they were there. Then they just consumed whatever they could of the people that were there until it was gone and left, never bothering to impart any actual knowledge. The only knowledge they wanted to spread was 'Christianity' and the indigenous people rejected that.
@thespanishinquisition4078
@thespanishinquisition4078 Жыл бұрын
There is one key mistake here, and it's not about the natives but the Missions. The missionaries didn't only want to spread Christianity, not even mainly, at all. At least not the southern european ones, the British and French were more religiously motivated. Thing is, while missions came from well before America, since the reforms by Hernán Cortés under Charles the I and V the missions were based on the Santas Hermandades, which were a sort of proto guild. And these reforms quickly spread to Portugal and Italy, and from there everywhere outside of France, England. Point is, the Santas Hermandades and the Missionaries that copied them used the bible as a teaching tool, the reason being that back during feudal times teaching serfs what they called "liberal arts" (literature, mathematics, logic, etc) was banned, but NOT teaching them the bible, so they used this legal workaround to teach serfs to read and write by teaching them the bible, and once they knew that they counted as "literate", and therefore "freemen", so teaching them "artesanias" and "liberal arts" was legal. Hence the entire education system sprung from there. In medieval europe and later, this is what shaped primary education, indeed once you were taught "liberal arts" you were given a bachelor diploma and could access to Escolastica to become a "Magister" which in turn let you access further careers to become a "doctor", that's where our education system comes from. But the bible WAS the only way they knew how to teach primary education. Most missionaries came from liberal orders like the Jesuits which actively advocated for more secular societal systems, and saw education as a universal right. But learning through the bible was a legal and technical necessity, they didn't have another way to teach you the basics. And so, by rejecting the bible, the natives also rejected literacy. And indeed their mentality often proved it wasn't necessarily christianity that was the issue, but literacy. Even as close to the current conflicts in the middle east, NATO officers often protested because they found arab officers would take the books away from the soldiers they were given to, and most arab soldiers not only weren't literate, but would reject being taught as much. The reason was societal, when interrogated, egyptian officers simply pointed out if the soldier knew what NATO was trying to teach him, he would be a liability, because he wouldn't need the officers to tell him how to do it. This is how they keep control. Cargo cults in the conflicts we have observed between them show this exact mentality, a strong authoritarian bent where those at the top keep control by keeping those at the bottom uneducated, so they depend on them to teach them the basics. And this is how your question comes to its inevitable yet dreadful answer. Trying to bring these islands to modern times is not a matter of infrastructure. Their mentality is what is called "magical thinking", a particularly dangerous reactionary type of pseudoscientific authoritarianism. Much like Christianity was forced to adapt to more secular thought through internal strife and the rise of the Burgeoisie. These cults require strife to force the people to see the structure isn't working. Those at the top will inevitably resent and fight, through violence if necessary, any attempt to make them understand with just as much reticence as they fought the missionaries that came before. Hell, many cargo cults built literal masonic lodges, they had no issue with monotheism or jesus worship. They had problems with the methodology. You are no different from the missionaries for them, just another foreigner trying to upend their way of life to instill your own values. Their leaders would rather see you dead than see you teaching their people how planes work and cargo is made.
@DasUTuberYahoo
@DasUTuberYahoo 2 жыл бұрын
I was a former missionary in Papua New Guinea and I can tell you that Cargo Cults are still very much alive, but relegated to subtleties within the culture.
@captmulch1
@captmulch1 2 жыл бұрын
Have they found the 'Japanese Gold' yet?? They are still convinced in the Solomon Islands that there is a pile of gold waiting to be found.
@niccolom
@niccolom 2 жыл бұрын
LOL One cargo cultist trying to convert other cargo cultists to his cult.
@datoda3593
@datoda3593 Жыл бұрын
​@@niccolomChristianity created the technological and societal changes so vast and great they flabbergasted the Papuan people into creating cults like this
@cannpdx781
@cannpdx781 2 жыл бұрын
If I had children and they wouldn't study instead of telling them " Don't you want to be president 1 day? " I would ask them" Dont you want to grow up and be as successful as Simon?" Because seriously this man is the most successful driven KZfaq entrepreneur ever. And its always like he doesn't prepare at all, that he was just born knowing everything. Of course because I'm subscribed to every channel he has, I now have to find time to watch the new channel. Oh well who needs to sleep when you have Simon's videos to watch😸
@techfixr2012
@techfixr2012 2 жыл бұрын
Half of my free time is spent listening to Simon.
@cannpdx781
@cannpdx781 2 жыл бұрын
@@techfixr2012 Lol me too, and the killer is I subscribe to Netflix and a few other's. But I mostly watch Simon on KZfaq for free..
@scottpedersen2905
@scottpedersen2905 2 жыл бұрын
Compare and contrast with Americans gathering in Dealey Plaza to await the return of JFK Jr.
@stephmaccormick3195
@stephmaccormick3195 2 жыл бұрын
WOW! A true TIFO!! Kudos, Simon!
@JARJCC97
@JARJCC97 2 жыл бұрын
The case of cargo cults is hilarious but its sad because these tribes are trying to rationalize what they seen but they are most likely never going to get an awnswer. I heard of these before this video.
@Snow248.
@Snow248. 11 ай бұрын
The difference between cargo cults and Christianity is Christianity started in some of the most culturally diverse and knowledgeable societies in the world At the time. The ways in which these things formed are drastically different.
@JSJSpeaks
@JSJSpeaks 2 жыл бұрын
I passed the subscription review! Now I can find anything by Mister Whistler any time!! That’s a happy holiday huzzah from me!!!
@shaliekk
@shaliekk 2 жыл бұрын
This man has 10 channels This man must be an investor
@Liquessen
@Liquessen 2 жыл бұрын
Eyy, I listen so much to the criminal podcast that I have missed seeing his pretty face (and the lovely editing).
@gordonfiala2336
@gordonfiala2336 2 жыл бұрын
3:20. It is magic. They exercise influence over the material, to manipulate it. Which through physics, fundamentally is an enigma, regardless of how systemic the process is. Ceremony and culture are applicated to rouse the intellectual process of immolating the initiating affect of the discovery.
@jamesleatherwood5125
@jamesleatherwood5125 2 жыл бұрын
10:26 "as a term for venerating an object or practice without fully understanding its function" Oh.... you mean like 80 to 90 percent of people who call themselves christian? lol. and im a christian by my own belief so i can say that lol. you have no idea how many people believe they are christian but half the things they think the bible says it doesnt, or something it does say has been taken out of context and ran across the field of secular thought like a p[uppy with a steak running from its owners. Id say your statement just about applies to most major and large moral or spiritual institutions. A large majority following any devised system will not have put forth the efforet to truly understand the system, instead, relying on the information passed onto them by others in authority positions and trusting as fact something they have not verified. The source of a whole huge lot of proble s in the world, that, the belief that you are following your own chosen moral and spiritual code when in fact you are following a broken fragmented and twisted form of the practice that got to you the same way that message did during elementary school when you would play the telephone game (the one where you would whisper down the line what the phrase was), after its been passed unverified through several hundred people across multiple generations. lol
@mirthenary
@mirthenary 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the scene in Men in black, where the aliens in the locker say "ALL HAIL J"
@eventerminator1382
@eventerminator1382 Жыл бұрын
Those structures they made are pretty impressive
@johntakolander8613
@johntakolander8613 2 жыл бұрын
The last sentence was the best!
@asajjy
@asajjy 2 жыл бұрын
There Should Be A Cargo Cult Tycoon Kinda Game Would Be Interesting
@angrynoodletwentyfive6463
@angrynoodletwentyfive6463 2 жыл бұрын
That's like saying there should be a Ugandan Shaman Simulator game...
@Bacopa68
@Bacopa68 2 жыл бұрын
South Pacific Big Man would be a good economics game. Traditional Big Man economics, not cult economics. Native Americans in the Northwest and he Greeks of the Iliad had a similar system.
@niccolom
@niccolom 2 жыл бұрын
Cargo cults can pretty well explain "intelligent design" of evolution. People who believe in intelligent design, have the exact same mindset as cargo cultists, that they would believe in supernatural powers as the explanation of anything they cannot comprehend.
@felixhenson9926
@felixhenson9926 2 жыл бұрын
Except that there was little tangible evidence of intelligent design. At least the cargo cults actually had evidence their 'gods' would actually do shit like this.
@TK2692
@TK2692 2 жыл бұрын
@@felixhenson9926 Very true. They actually saw the results, they just misinterpreted how those results were achieved.
@fiacradoyle7474
@fiacradoyle7474 2 жыл бұрын
I love Prince Philip he had no filter he was one of the funniest people to walk this earth.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. They spent part of the video denouncing him, but to me it felt more like a greatest hits compilation.
@tignight3645
@tignight3645 2 жыл бұрын
He was a pos
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 2 жыл бұрын
@@tignight3645 Oh I think this will make you reconsider: "You’re too fat to be an astronaut" - said to 13-year-old boy who said he wanted to go into space.
@tignight3645
@tignight3645 2 жыл бұрын
He married his cousin
@picolete
@picolete 2 жыл бұрын
Another channel for the Simon multiverse
@phillbosque2183
@phillbosque2183 2 жыл бұрын
It be wild if some rich person delivered on their expectations. Show up with a cargo ship loaded with goodies, calling himself John, then promise to come back later with more cargo.
@michall6376
@michall6376 2 жыл бұрын
How many channels do you have exactly?
@fvckyoutubescensorshipandt2718
@fvckyoutubescensorshipandt2718 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently the USA doesn't care much about the Prime Directive.
@Dang3rMouSe
@Dang3rMouSe 2 жыл бұрын
The hardest working man on YT.
@Omidion
@Omidion Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Adeptus Mechanicus from WarHammer 40k
@catharinepizzarello4784
@catharinepizzarello4784 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
@SpeedOfTheEarth
@SpeedOfTheEarth 2 жыл бұрын
A cargo cult is what large parts of humanity would become(/already are) when we discover(/erroneusly believe to have discovered) aliens...
@amehak1922
@amehak1922 4 ай бұрын
The natives thought the military duties they saw Americans doing were religious rituals and imitated them.
@dixgun
@dixgun 2 жыл бұрын
Great documentary. I'd heard of the Prince Philip movement but not the John Frum cult. It's interesting that they're both from Tanna, Vanuatu. My question now is where does Rastafarianism fit in?
@eaglesfootballcards6984
@eaglesfootballcards6984 2 жыл бұрын
Damn this gave me PTSD from an MCAT passage years ago lol. Very interesting phenomenon though
@kennyhagan5781
@kennyhagan5781 2 жыл бұрын
Just one thing.... you misunderstand the Ghost Dance. This was a heartfelt plea to the spirits from a desperate people for help, not in war, but simple survival. There was nothing provocative about it at all, quite the opposite. The victors write the history though, so you have only heard half of the story. Trust me, the people were scared to death of the Blue Coats.
@briansullivan5908
@briansullivan5908 2 жыл бұрын
As long as they’re happy and no one gets hurt, who cares what their beliefs are?
@rigdzindrolma7148
@rigdzindrolma7148 2 жыл бұрын
What about waiting and preparing to distract and starvation. I would not say ignorance is bliss.
@TK2692
@TK2692 2 жыл бұрын
"But they're different from mine, so they're wrong."
@RandomBogey
@RandomBogey 2 жыл бұрын
I would so badly want to just show up with a cargo plane full of stuff and introduce myself as “John Frum” and blow their minds
@GrievousReborn
@GrievousReborn 2 жыл бұрын
Simon has done 2 videos on this topic one on xplored and now one here
@lazycoffeedrinker
@lazycoffeedrinker 2 жыл бұрын
Blindboy boatclub has a fascinating podcast on cargo cults!
@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy
@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy 2 жыл бұрын
"Into The Shadows" officially makes 47 channels you have.
@Mii.2.0
@Mii.2.0 2 жыл бұрын
_"If you say to the Tannese, 'You've been waiting all this time and neither Jon Frum nor Philip has turned up.' [I would] point out that Christians have been waiting for the return of Jesus for 2,000 years."_ That says a lot about about our modern, American society. 🤔
@tremorsfan
@tremorsfan 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure there's an episode of Ancient Aliens that tries to tie cargo cults to AAs.
@TheBiohazard3179
@TheBiohazard3179 Жыл бұрын
lol imagine if you had people airdrop stuff from aircraft in different intervals, could be a very interesting study.
@xero7087
@xero7087 Жыл бұрын
Kinda makes you think that all these old depictions of gods from ancient times could have some sort of truth to it.
@milandjuric8043
@milandjuric8043 2 жыл бұрын
Saying that cargo cults are not a misunderstanding of reality bcs they mirror traditional religions is kinda mising the point, isnt it
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 2 жыл бұрын
Comparing this to christianity does not mean this religion is not absurdly ridiculous, it just highlights the fact that both are equally asinine.
@AngryReptileKeeper
@AngryReptileKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
And that human beings are silly, silly animals with very active imaginations.
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