Beihringer made me, an old man, very happy and answered my teenage dreams.

Most electronic products are derivative. They copy the products that came before them and use the same circuit designs and even components. For example, in the world of guitar amps, look at Marshall. They copied the Fender Bassman circuit and made some modifications. Other tube amps also owe a lot to early designs by Fender and Vox.

I live in a third world country. The only way to I put my hands in some good and cheap analog device its Behringer or some very, I mean, very limited models from other manufactures. I don't care about cloning and I have some behringer gear for twelve years and they still work great(four guitar pedals and a mixer). Some Boss and Digitech pedals that I have didnt last so long. thank you behringer, keep the good work.

This is just regurgitated stuff we've heard many times before.

Because of Behringer I own a 16 voice OBXA copy, a minimoog copy, and a DFAM copy (that's better than the actual Moog product because it syncs to midi clock), and they all sound incredible and work perfectly. That's pretty awesome in my book.

Behringer will copy your channel next.

eagerly awaiting next week's video "Behringer Is Suing Me"

Can the next Behringer product be affordable land?

Maybe these other companies should have put out the things people wanted long ago.

Benn Jordan's take on Behringer is more nuanced... definitely worth a watch after this one. It doesn't defend Behringer... rather it puts these tired complaints into a better perspective.

A tb303 was $500 in 1986. That's $1500 today Td-3 sells for $149 That's 90% off Used real ones are $4000 Did we get totally ripped off by the "oligarchy" in the 80s? In 1986 I could have got my jx8p or a used car. Now roland wants to convert you to renting a screen picture of your favorite synth run on your own hardware because of the profitable subscription model. Then it shuts off when you stop paying. Are we improving music or improving profitability. Because still feels like being ripped off 35 years later

Behringer has some great synths out now. My one concern is the drama. If I take Behringer gear to a show, will I get grief due to people's polarized opinions about the company? If someone sees me performing on a Behringer instrument, will they just keep scrolling, at least more than they already do? A lot of people have complaints about Behringer, and a lot of that criticism is correct and valid. I wish that if you're gonna go in on Behringer, you could focus more on the technical aspects. For example, what are the differences between an UB-XA and an original OBXA, besides the obvious modern touches? I'm assuming since the OBXA was DCO that it's "voice on a chip," so does the UB-XA use the same chips? Things like that. The terrible social media shit really does make Behringer look gross, but it just gets lost in the chaos of the internet.

I think the subscription plans rolled out by companies like Roland and Native Instruments are more “dangerous” than Behringer. Maybe if these companies actually made the gear we rely on Behringer instead of antagonizing legitimate competition, we would have more choices in the market. Also, synths are too expensive, and it is has everything to do with greed and nothing to do with necessary cost recoupment. Team Behringer ALL DAY

I am confused by the idea that the Behringer 2600 is a "cheap copy." I mean... okay. I am minutes in and not hearing what is particularly bad about this corporation over others. I mean we live in a world with Adobe and NI, right? And that is just sticking with artistic tech related firms.

Here's a novel idea.. Stop worshipping brands, manufacturers and/or corporations. If you want to be a fan, be a fan of a person and the art or music they create... or maybe the philanthropy they engage in... not a corporation. Corporations are not fans of you... the relationship is strictly business. They sell their products in such a way so that they can maximize their profits. CEOs always need the latest yachts. In this relationship, you the consumer decide whether or not to purchase the product based upon the merits and quality of the product. If any manufacturer wishes for a sustainable business enterprise, it is their responsibility to ensure that they provide a quality product, or that they address defects in a fair, equitable and professional manner. As a consumer in this relationship, you decide IF you wish to purchase the product or not... based on the attributes outlined above and how these are calculated within your own cost/benefit analysis. Corporations and organizations are not your friend or relative. They do not care about you... they care about your money. That's how they sustain themselves within the world of business... and grow their market share. That's it! Everything else is some form of an activists crusade or virtue-signaling. Admittedly, Uli Behringer has been a bit of a troll and some of Behringer's retaliatory behavior has been very 'unprofessional' and 'unadult'... not to mention petty. I can't speak for the KZfaq community, but I have worked for several abusive and oppressive organizations and manager structures. If the employees at Behringer are treated in a similar manner, lets all be thankful that they are not our employer. But everyone should recognize that most of these organizations are not your friends... they don't love you and you shouldn't love any of them. If you enjoy a product... if it takes you where you want to go... that's a win!! My friend enjoys his Toyota Rav4... but I think we all would agree that Toyota's recent chesting on vehicle testing is shifty and dangerous... and definitely more concerning than Uli Behringer KOing some old or overpriced synth from an elitist or has-been manufacturer. But would someone be a fan of Toyota? Wear Toyota swag? It seems silly to be a billboard for a corporation to me... unless they're paying you. Again... Behringer might not engage in the most ethical business practices. But at the end of the day... these are business practices. You know who else has engaged in some awful business practices... Comcast/Xfinity... KZfaq/Google/Alphabet... KPMG... Apple... Amazon... Open AI... and I probably would not want to work for any of these organizations as a low-level/mid-level employee either. But, as an economically challenged person very interested in industrial and electronic music, should I simply forego this hobby and leave it to those with more surplus cash to spend on higher priced synths from Erica Synths/Moog/Oberheim?!? FUCK THAT!! So, I have purchased and will continue to purchase Behringer products that I like... I will watch and read reviews for several months before committing. But, when the price is in my range, I also purchase from other synth manufacturers. I recently acquired the 'East Beast' from Cre8audio for $250.00. That item is priced in such an affordable manner, Behringer couldn't possibly undercut it!! If more organizations paid a higher wage to the low-level and mid-level workers, and limited the highest corporate salaries, we might all have more surplus cash on hand to purchase the Moogs/Oberheim/Waldorfs out there... but that's not gonna happen. As it stands, AI is in the initial stages of creating all kinds of efficiencies for corporations. You know what important factor is not being considered as more organizations pursue AI? Human beings. As AI is further developed, those efficiencies will replace the need for many low-level and mid-level jobs. Think of all the money that corporations will save when they don't need to hire any of us. We won't be thinking about Uli Behringer too much after that happens. Life is hard and only getting harder. There are waaayyy bigger issues out there than Behringer. Stop worshipping brands. Stop purchasing items at elitist prices... and maybe if these companies could offer their products at far more reasonable prices for the people in my financial status (or lack thereof), there'd be no market for Behringer.

Don't you dare to be anywhere near my bathroom. Use the guest bathroom!

Moog just should copy Behringer.. imagine a Moog ONE 32 for 1500€ 😊

God, I love Uli

Regardless of how you feel about them, they have figured out how to market their products to their fanbase, nostalgia sells which is essentially their whole business model, the association with legacy gear used on countless hit records is more important to them than creating original new products it would seem. A shame given their resources, and when they do make something original like the Neutron it is far more interesting. The copying of in production gear like the keystep and moog stuff is really cringey though, and a lot of their “tribute” gear doesn’t really sound much like the original, although it is fair to say a few of them are close enough for most people. I don’t think they are particularly low priced overall, but they do have a selected range of low priced products to give the impression their whole range is, a tactic used by supermarkets for decades because it works so well. For example the TD3 is very cheap to make, and appears cheap when compared to a 303, but not when compared to a Donner B1 which is cheaper and better. Same can be said of their drum machines, not expensive to make, there are other analog drum machines in the same price bracket, but when compared to a 808 or 909 they seem cheap. Lots of their monosynths are similar priced to other modern monosynths etc etc.

How is this a bad thing? Basic economic theory demonstrates that when companies have to compete for customers, it leads to lower prices, higher quality goods and services, greater variety, and more innovation.

7:50 @Jerred, its 1AM… *What* are you doing in my bathroom? 😂

@3:51 “All music created with UB-Xa” *guitar playing in the background on a neat beat 😂

I liked your video and watched to the end. There are a few things to note here: I am good friends with Mr. Kirn and have appeared on his site. I took the time out of my day to read Uli the riot act on the day he announced that his mother passed away, mainly reminding him that of all the lessons his mother taught him, respect for others was one he was forgetting. That said, the company makes the ultra expensive affordable enough for musicians to safely tour with the items (you haven't LIVED until you've had to hope that your TR-909 arrives in Berlin safely). Many of the items they have created have a few things in common: The original manufacturer has no interest in a reissue (Roland), the item is rare to find in good condition or ungodly expensive, and the unit likely was based on Curtis 'synth on a chip' ICs (Music Tribe may have a manufacturing plant for these). One must separate their ethics/feelings about their practices and focus on the tools at hand in order to sleep at night. Nobody is going to complain about their car being repaired properly with Harbor Freight tools if they only see the result. But Uli definitely needs to stop trying to chase Elon Musk at the most punch-able man in their industry...

If you haven’t already figured it out, the “social media manager” is Uli

I only have Behringer 2500 modules, because only alternative is oryginal ARP 2500, which people sell sometimes for around 60000$

I have a TD-3-MO and I only use it when waiting for things to install. It’s never made it to a record lol

Dude. Did you move my toothpaste? Where's my toothpaste?

you go Berry! Now make us poor fellas some SSL desks!!!

hi weaver thanks for the video

I need Behringer to clone expensive analog DJ mixers and homes.

As a broke hobbyist, I love Behringer

Get on that Synth Show with the Synth Samurai for a friendly chat ;)

Wow, you fixed my sink thank you!!!

As a guitarist on a velcro budget (shoe strings were for birthdays and Christmas) I’ve avoided their pedals because of their bad reputation and price point reflecting poorly on the perceived quality. To elaborate on the last part: being a German company in the collective consciousness that means long lasting high quality products. That Leica rangeviewer camera your great-great-grandfather bought in 1924 is still usable today. Same goes for Japanese products. With that in mind my reasoning against buying Behringer products was that, being a German company, they would be very anal about quality control. This to me meant that it was unlikely that the components of those cheap pedals would with time degrade and evolve (or devolve?) a sound of their own and people would 20 years later call a Behringer fuzz pedal a holy grail for power electronics and noise projects if it was made with transistors and capacitators from batch nr XX used in the pedals manufactured in Kuala Lumpur between Summer 2024 and Spring 2025 because the lower quality of the components in time would give the pedal a very different and personal sound. And I’ll be the first to admit I am prejudiced in that sense. Like, when buying a car you always go for a Japanese or German car (because Volvos are sold out and you need a car today) and never buy French unless you like to get stranded in the middle of nowhere due to car failure. All horror movies where the protagonists have car failures it’s because they were driving French cars. Buy a watch? Japanese or Swiss, d’uh. Olives? Greece and the Levant area. If you buy olives from Sweden and they taste like shit (or worse, don’t have a taste) that’s really on you. So, in my opinion this could be another (subjective) reason why people don’t like Behringer’s products. Like the reverse of buying a Mooer or no brand pedal from China where quality control is treated like how the US treats the Geneva Conventions in foreign operations (ie more like suggestions). You might get great bang for your buck, but also a shitty product which in this context of making music could well be inspirational to crafting your sound.

7:26 "What is this?" - that chick looks like the woman in the *_"Try AN ALE"_* where the "E" is folded away on her shirt...

Is that The Seatbelts in the background?!

Capitalism

Why don’t other companies sue them then ? I’m curious because in software it’s quite hard to copyright much , I don’t know anything about copyright law for hardware and music instruments

In many ways, this is just their marketing. It is part of their business model

People are very unhappy with the way nintendo behaves regarding intellectual property they are no longer manufacturing or offering as a product in any form, I see no difference between the code for super mario bros 3. and a schematic for a synth that's approaching higher values than a modest boat. Especially since actually creating a physical version of these circuits is usually cost prohibitive, so the redesigned circuits are completely different.

their range of affordable products made other manufacturers look at similar price points to compete with their own products - korg, roland etc. for the consumer it's win win.. and if your a dentist or pharmaceutical distributor you have the luxury of the $5k synths too.

Are all the preamp companies, large and small, that copy Neve and API also a problem? It feels like selective disdain tbh.

Is everyone going to get their knickers in a twist about the impulse responses of classic units being used in plugins? The interfaces of said plugins being marketed as sounding like the original units with design elements that make them look like the original units? Or do we only get annoyed by physical products?

I'm on Team Behringer. Whenever I look to buy music gear Behringer is my first port of call. They make good stuff cheap. They do cut corners in the quality of build sometimes, but I think they offer the kind of value for money that I find it impossible to ignore.

I actually really liked the deep mind and the neutron. They clearly had some good people making some synths with great ideas, pity they couldn’t double down on that instead.

Spot on. They are not just ripping off synths, this is what they have been doing forever. I remember early 2000s, they knocked off Yamaha 01V and made one of the first digital mixers 6x cheaper than the original. This was their MO since forever. Now they are worse than ever because not only they piggy back on the R and D of others, they are literally destroying small developers. Now they got into modular world, their modules are 4x cheaper than modules a small developers like Make Noise or Xaoc Devices just cannot produce and sell that cheap and stay in business. Then I see people just buying their shit and be like "oh well, if you have problem with the way Behringer does stuff, then boycott Thomann and others selling their gear". Mental gymnastics. I saw all their products announced for this year and aside from a few toy-like things that extent Prophet VS mini version, they literally have like 20 synths in a product line that are ownership of the companies that still exist - from Yamaha and Roland to Sequential.

I have absolutely zero issue with Behringer reverse-engineering and releasing clones of gear long dead, with no desire by the original manufacturer to resurrect them. All I expect is (1) there is no trademark infringement, and (2) Do not clone active products. The latter has been done (Example: The Swing vs. Arturia Keystep) and also a clone of Makenoise Maths. As for the Pro-1 and System 100 modules? I welcome them to my studio and use them often.

Also, with the power of samplers these days it is pretty ridiculous to be protecting hardware designs that are perfectly replicated in so many plug ins these days.

when is someone going to make an outrage video about how EVERYONE clones Stratocasters... :-/

more behringers for me

Wait... so their UB-Xa is the same as the original? So they lied when they said they updated it, added additional features, made prototypes, revised them, sent them out to people for feedback, revised them again, tested them again and then finalized the design? They lied when they said they did all that research and development into updating it and making additional features? Yeah, that is messed up. Didn't realize they skipped all research and development and just made a copy to dave money...

Behringer is the BEST company, Roland is the one serving reheated plastic trash for inflated prices!

when you hear that wooden block you know it’s only ghoste

why do i have do support a product that is overpriced when Beringer came to the rescue??

Behringer do nice things for good artists with more humble wallets but ‘Behringer Oberheim’ seems like a grab for attention that can offend. - maybe they should have thought harder to find a promo grab. However you can say they’ve wanted to make the quality OB composite and they’re proud of it and that’s what ‘Behringer Oberheim’ means to a point.

You can say whatever you want about Behringer and their practices. But they do have R&D costs. Albeit much less than the original creator. But they do have to develop the clone, which is just putting the same IC's and resistors on a circuit board and thinking that works.

I want the Kirn Cork who care about anti this and that

Bottom line - none of the products Behringer clones are made by companies that are any more “ethical” than Behringer. To say a company like Roland is doing any “heavy lifting” producing those crap mini synths and drum machines with no i/o or selling $2k vsts in a box is laughable…especially considering Roland is actively working to charge for the sounds their products make via recurring and never-ending subscription….basically separating the sound from the synth. Very thankful for Behringer.

Still waiting for an Acid revival following everyone trooping out to dutifully buy their cheap 3O3 clone.😏

this is why i got a cheap knock off of their guitar link "interface" i fully knew what i was getting into and i don't regret a thing i also use "their" software with it, which i got from a forum

Weaver trying to get synth companies to send him the prereleases when I’ve only seen him play a monologue……

everyone can make copies except for behringer!!!

They recently brought us a clone of the neve 1073 with eq 2 channels. For under 1k. And a stereo neve compresses for half that.. i can't hate them for that.. i just can't.

I have a few of their clones sitting around, RD-6, TD-3 x 2, Pro800, UBxa, Pro VS mini and I have a Deepmind 12. love them all and could not give a single flying fuck about what goes on in the background with the company or any of the drama.

I feel like the long nose in that joke synth was more a reference to pinnochio lying rather than antisemetism, unless of course the guy is jewish, then yeah it looks kinda like that.

Weaver Beats getting called out by the “Synth Samurai” KZfaq channel is interesting. This beef could be bigger than Drake/Kendrick! Bigger than Biggie/2Pac!!

I guess something very hurting, very disappointing or disturbing happened in Uli's past that he decided to become THE EMPEROR of the music gear industry… Could be daddy playing church organ at home all the time!?!

1:20 that's a good comment tho.

The sign is a subtle joke

There is no problem. They offer good product. If other companies want to compete, they need to make their stuff more affordable. I don't care about the controversy. I care about the ability to get good synth sound for less. And as a bedroom producer, their offerings are my go-to. Haters can stuff it.

Can you beat Aldi on price?????

I love my td3mo Benn and you are shooting shots but the ubxa is awesome wish I had 1100 for one but the ms5 sold out of preorders uhhhhh and aswell as the edge so they got mad hype and are really hard to get ….

Ive owned Behringer products for well over 20 years at this point. These original companies have had *decades* to give people what they want, and some of the companies aren't even around anymore. Copying happens all of the time, in every industry. If you look at Eurorack in particular you can find hundreds of examples of 'borrowed' circuits and designs, but nobody cares. Behringer is just the industry whipping boy. Its true that in the past they did release several products that were known for being of relatively low quality, or having a higher than average failure rate... but that isnt the Behringer of today. Are there still issues? Sure, but not as many as there used to be. I have several newer Behringer products and they all work great and are a total bargain. I will be buying more too!

JT-4000 MICRO controlled by sugarbytes obscurium though....

The Weaves, you keep your tail out of my litter box!!! Afraid of the DMX? You should make your beats with one. The new GForce DMX plugin sounds pretty good. Sadly though it doesn't implement the DMX sequencer. But you have Ableton, so you're good.

New sub here. Mister Filter Sweep aka SynthPunk sent me here.

"Conflicted" is a great way to describe my relationship with my Bee Ringer 303 clone. It's fun as hell, and sounds as good as I need it, and yes, cheap af. I make myself feel better that the only way to get this sound and form factor is to spend more on something that's also a clone.

Let’s be positive- the new Oberheim TEO5 is very good value and I’m excited - it’s similar to my old favourite the Roland J8xp or Jx8p whatever it was called and it’s an Oberheim! Will it come with a case?

The part where you said that Behringer doesn't spend money on research and development is very untrue. I have a friend who is an engineer that works for them and they spend a lot of coin in developing their tributes. Where they do however save money on is in the area of chip manufacturing and parts. The irony of this is that Roland, Korg, Moog, and other brands use parts manufactured by Behringer which owns a manufactoring city in China and I'm talking about a literal city where people work live, etc...

Back in the late 90s when I first started buying their products their quality reputation was not very good. You were basically rolling the dice on getting a good product that worked and worked well for a long time. They've come a long way since then. I have quite a few Behringer products and they are all very good. I'm still on the fence about their "cloning" business model.

It's scummy when they copy something current like the Moog Grandmother. But with old, out of production gear like the TB-303, I think it's perfectly fine.

got to say I love my X-touch

"WHA'CHU GOT, TOM! HUH? WHA'CHU GOT???" - Uli Behringer.

I refuse to pay Balenciaga prices - Teenage Engineering? Buickla? I have a vintage Minimoog and love it - But I'll also say its not worth 5k (for a reissue) or 12k for a vintage.

new synth tsunamis coming, sea retracts, old stories coming up… -after 4y superbooth, talking to developers, ceos, trolling, running into ytbers… asking many whys…: its a really a fckn small market. companies going under is an issue. -everyone has theyre little story about their dealings with behringer… musicians have been hypnotised by „vintage“ behringer gear is not bad perse. nothing made after 2010 ever died on me … digitone did. microcosm did. if moneys tight, starting out: buy the behringer shit used. they own a small city in china. sure every worker is happy there. other companies trying to catch up. lowering prices. beat a used microfreak for 200, a korg monologue for 120… get a used behringer crave. learn. throw your next money at someone trying to push the envelop, not feed off others efforts. still waiting for some proper company ripping off the behringer flow8 so i dont get shamed everytime running „proper““ gear thru it… iphone control, eq comp , a limiter, decent fx.. running on a powerbank… class compliant 8+channel interface… lazy bums, had to buy that one off uli new!

Hans Zimmer have a behringer 2600. Of course he is a Bommer 🤡

Strat

synths are wayyyyy too expensive though . idk if clones "need" to exist, but synth prices certainly are too high, even digital ones

Enjoying the UB-XA that arrived over the weekend very much.

You can't get a decent used car for $5,000

I am disappointed this drama virus keeps spreading. Those of us who have actually been following the development of the UB-XA and Behringer's statements around it realize that this one is more than a little blown out of proportion. Things like this just make more bad blood and upsets people.

Waaah?

Uli is gonna see this and sue you, be careful Weaver!

I dont get all the the hate videos for behringer. I love my deepmind12. All they do is make things affordable. Find someone worth trashing cough* teenage engineering cough*

Temu, meet Behringer.... And then Behringer tries to sue Temu. 😅

behringer its the best🫵🏼

Their shit sounds good. That’s all I care about 🤷‍♂️

One of my best friends bought a bunch of mics and a mixing desk when we were kids because he is a drummer and we wanted to record him. That mixing desk was a Behringer one, which probably doesn't surprise anyone cause kids have no money. My whole childhood, teen phase and adolescence I lived thinking Behringer is cool for having enabled us to experience that in the past and it still means a lot to me. But I also now see the other side, manufacturers getting ripped off by Behringer copying them and saving development time to decrease their own costs. But what should we do about it? It is definitely important that music is accessible to people who are not wealthy, but the people who bring the ideas should not pay for it alone

Didn't they used to make half decent mixers...?

Behringer is great! Weaver needs to get his BDS treated ASAP - it's a very serious disease!