I like the Canadian pressing, colored yes but has more contour and punch, it kind of frees the frequencies
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
It definitely has a lot more punch for sure. Thanks for putting in your preferences Elie.
@vinylcity15996 жыл бұрын
Elie Kadi I think so as well!
@owenhu94655 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it sounds much crispier which I personally prefer
@rlwings5 жыл бұрын
That's cuz us Canadians are hard of hearing! Lol... Randy from Toronto. :)
@HiViNywschannel7 жыл бұрын
Brother, i am: - so proud of you, - excited at what all the Dark Side of the Needle pressing comparisons you are embarking on in the future.. 👍👍👍👍😁😁😁✌✌✌✌
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. I got a few more I am formulating but they won't quite be this extensive. This one was a pain to edit together and I had been working bits and pieces of it for the past two months.
@georgeandrew74467 жыл бұрын
HiViNyws chann
@HiViNywschannel7 жыл бұрын
Hard and diligent work with lots of forward planning and preparation on your part Paul.... i can totally imagine💪💪💪😄. Totally.
@tommytorres58254 жыл бұрын
Think my favorite is the Canadian. Really stood out and sounded great. I came into collecting kinda late so only able to get the 2016's so far. Was kinda cringing waiting to hear the comparison, but it wasn't bad at all! A slight difference, but if that is the worst that it is I'll take it. Great video
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tommy. At the end of the day, most of the differences are going to be minimal and if you look are the responses, everyone's preferences are different. With some remasters there are few where it's night and day. The Led Zeppelin II recut by Atlantic is one where they sonically butchered the original mastering because it was too hot and the cheap record players at the time couldn't handle the dynamic swings.
@markwissman24523 жыл бұрын
The problem I find with most of the originals is that they were played to death on inferior turntables a lot of times and had 1000 miles on them from going to school, record parties, buddies houses and smoking sessions. Took me quite a while to find one that was fairly silent and didn't sound like I was sitting by a campfire. That is the one quality I like most about the BG copy I own...dead silent. As far as your comparison, I really liked the sound of the KG/DS version the best with the Canadian press coming in a close second
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Great comment Mark. Yes, a good clean original with little ticks or pops are challenging to find. I don't get why people knock newer records. For me, I am not a fan or campfire listening. Campfires are for camping, not for playing records.
@richardriley44157 жыл бұрын
The fact that you would be happy with any of them is great news for record collectors. It seems that Japanese pressings are hard to beat. They may not always be the best but they are almost always near the top. Now I need to find my copy.Keep up the great work.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard! BTW - Your comment on just play the damn record definitely rings true!
@Sinnsonido7 жыл бұрын
This was interesting. Thanks for doing this. I'm starting to get back into vinyl and have a number of pressings of this title myself. I've gotta say, it's not surprising that you used Wally's cut as the reference because it sounds to me like he achieved the best balance overall. I noticed some of these masterings try to eek out a little more top end and this is one album that really doesn't need that. That said, I'm listening on headphones and maybe I don't have the best perspective. And as you said, you really can't go wrong with any of these, all well represented. Cheers.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sinnsoido. I used the Wally as the reference since it was the oldest and kind of a personal favorite. I can make up my mind though which one would be on top but I am a little partial to the Wally. Thanks for chiming in.
@davethestalker6 жыл бұрын
The 2016 remasters on Pink Floyd Records are outstanding. My parents original, sounds lifeless compared to it.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
The 2016 re-sissues are the only way I own a few of the Floyd records on vinyl and in the grand scheme of things, I don't think they are super far off from an original press.
@georgedoughly63446 жыл бұрын
Dave B. Yes, they Sound Excellent!! I Love Animals especially❗️
@vinylcity15996 жыл бұрын
Dave B. I agree! Everyone else is shitting on the 2016 version, but I think they say that because it's digital sourced! I believe they used a hi res digital file to cut it!
@124chubbs5 жыл бұрын
i own a mofi and a 2016 reissue the mofi does sound better it is true analog sound not the reissued mofi either i have a first pressing the 2016 is not bad its just not better the the mofi i also have a copy of the first us pressing on the way so im excited to stack them up my self that one sounded great on this video the dark side of the moon was originally released in the united states first then the uk
@SpaceCattttt5 жыл бұрын
Wish I could agree, but I've heard unofficial remasters of the Floyd's 70s albums that are far superior to the latest box sets. The only thing I liked about the new official ones was that the bass sounded richer and warmer. But the albums (especially Animals) were mixed way too low. And you have to turn them up to 11 to hear the smaller details, which is not ideal.
@rockness87847 жыл бұрын
first let me congrats with you, this was really well done. Bravo! I own a A3 B3 UK, an Italian late 70s and the 2003 reissue. I have to add that wally US to my collection because to me it stood out as a clear winner in your head to head comparison. That and brighter but fresh sounding Canadian pressing. Stan Ricker was deaf. The Japanese 74 is to me weird, narrow and canny (dunno if it is the right word). But what it became clear to me thanks to your effort is that master tape are no longer in good shape; the last reissues (kg and bg) sound "tired" compared to both Canadian and US Wally. Thanks for this kind opportunity to hear all these versions side by side! Please keep it coming. ps. look out for a early UK pressing ( if you sell both the Japanese and mfsl your wallet wouldn't even notice it 😀).
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
A UK pressing is definitely a goal for me someday ;) Thanks for putting in your thoughts. How does your Italian copy rate? The Wally's can be had for reasonable prices still and I am a bit partial to it. I have another US '73 press (non-Wally) which I didn't put into this one to keep the length reasonable but the Wally smokes it. While Stan was capable of great work, I didn't prefer it here.
@JasonConBongos6 жыл бұрын
Great in depth video. Notice the inner groove spacing leftover in Mofi comparisons. I like the Mofi and Canadian, but Wally's is more beefy regardless, thus thickening the grooves a bit more.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Sometimes but not always the inner groove spacing can be used as an indicator of the volume the record was cut too. Thanks for chiming in JasonConBongos. The responses have been pretty varied and just goes to show how people can vary in what they prefer.
@jnorten5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for doing this. It's really great hearing the different approaches. They're all pretty different, just goes to show how subjective Mastering is. Hire a mastering engineer who's work your love, don't trust a robot.
@BarakaPDub5 жыл бұрын
Great comment. The problem with most newer pressings (not Floyd but others) is that they are really not bringing out the best in the music. They're just making sure it will fit on a side and not break a groov.
@devilsoffspring55194 жыл бұрын
Sound quality, especially with regard to individual instrument track levels and overall tonal balance, is always entirely subjective. As such, what a "good" sound for recorded music is, is always open to interpretation. That's one of the things that people like about it :)
@pelgervampireduck6 жыл бұрын
the canadian one sounds great!. the wally traugot one sounds less clear, the japanese one sounds even more muffled, and the stan ricker one sounds "weak" or "flat". in the wally traugot one the left channel sounds a little less clear or bright than the right one, I noticed it during every song compared to the other editions.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Pleger. Wally is normally pretty good but this one didn't come out at the top of the pack for me either. I may have to dig up the Wally version again and see if I can hear the left/right separation problem you mention.
@poetryonplastic7 жыл бұрын
I have the 30th anniversary press as well as the MoFi, and they are both very, very good. But I have a third pressing that beats them both imho, and that's the 1978 Japanese Toshiba-EMI "Pro-Use" version (EMLF-97002). This is definitely worth hunting down. It can be hard for around 100 usd or so if you are patient.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I'll have to look for that one. Toshiba presses are really good. I have a few Blue Notes that are Toshiba pressed and I have been generally im"pressed"!
@junglejamesie7 жыл бұрын
I have that "Pro-Use" version, it is indeed very good. I also have the non-italic MOFI version, an old original UK pressing and the superb 1997 "EMI 100" (LPCENT 11) re-release which sounds brilliant. Worth hunting that one down as well, though it is pretty pricey these days. As for the test here, they all sounded pretty decent, but the 2016 version sounded a bit bass-light to me. I've bought most of the others in this recent series and been impressed with them, so I was a bit disappointed to hear that for the new version of DSOTM. Probably still buy it though, as my OCD would keep me up all night if I didn't.
@SluffAdlin7 жыл бұрын
An old original UK is still my favorite. I have a VG+ second issue (EMI Harvest SHVL 804, dark blue cover with the Gramophone Co on the label rim) and it is the creme de la creme of this album. Also have a US Wally Cut (SMAS-11163), MSFL 1-017, 30th Anniversary, and 2 copies UK and US of Grundman's 2016. Honestly, they all sound good, but the original UK have such a clarity and punch to the vocals and drums which isn't present in later releases.
@vinylfinder334 жыл бұрын
@poetryonplastic I have a Pro use copy. Thought about getting a 30th anniversary edition. What differences do u hear with the 2?
@dimebagdave773 жыл бұрын
Damn I love this video...a true gem🤘🔥if I didn't mention it before, I liked the 30th anniversary edition.brighter than Wally and not forgetting about the bottom end
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks dimebagdave...getting caught up on a week's worth of comments ;) The 30th anniversary is great one and I know folks are still finding it at reasonable prices.
@queputaleche4 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for your work! About the deadwax letters TLC is for The Lacquer Channel Limited a Canadian mastering studio and lacquer cutting facility in Toronto, and the T is for the lacquer brands used: TLC-A = Apollo Masters Lacquers TLC-P = Pyral lacquers TLC-T = Transco lacquers
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
Ahh! Thanks so much for the additional information on the additional letters about the lacquers. That's really fascinating and I hope the Apollo plant will make a come back.
@hurkamur17 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, here goes mine. The Canadian sounded great, but I reckon it might be in a tad better shape than your original US press. Best to worst 1. Wally 2. KG & DS 3. Canadian 4. MOFI 5. Japanese 6. BG
@L.E.554727 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul very cool thanks for taking the time 1 Kevin Gray 2Wally 3 Japanese 4 Bernie ( I've shocked myself by putting Bernie last) Thanks Paul-- Lis
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Lis - Shame on you! Just kidding ;) Thanks for playing along with this one. As much as I love Mofi, that one was at the bottom for me. I can't make a call on what I thought was the best though. Too difficult.
@gerry1970may36 жыл бұрын
Me too, I can't believe BG is on my last spot, but i guess is the Digital Sourcing
@hunterstephens9836 жыл бұрын
I dont like how on the second track the bass line was only played on wally's pressing every time. doesnt let the bass track on the other pressings shine
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Fair point. If I ever recut this one, I choose a different reference point.
@milanmihajlovic85696 жыл бұрын
Hunter Stephens me too
@MarkTillotson6 жыл бұрын
Yes I noticed this, but you can still hear that the subbass is practically missing from Stan Richer's cut, and only the original pressing uses the whole width available, loads more dead wax on the others which means more compromize on bass (if less on final track quality)...
@cvc17 жыл бұрын
Wow.. A lot of effort on your part for not enough returns.. The only fact I can here is Wally got it right from the get go.. Thanks for this post..
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
And thank you for your comment cvc1. I think a lot of this boils down to sonic preference. I do like the Wally but I can't make up my mind which one I ultimately prefer.
@guitarfoundry6 жыл бұрын
My Dad gave me a load of his vinyl albums a while ago. Amongst the audiophile gems was a 2nd pressing of Sgt.Pepper and also the original 1st pressing of DSOTM..We have listened to the very album since i was a kid in the 70's...It was only recently that i learned of the value of it to collectors...It's mint, having been lovingly owned by Dad and kept in a plastic gatefold sleeve it's entire life...The cover looks new, and i mean brand new.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
That's cool that your family kept their records in tip top shape! My parents didn't do the same and they never had any Floyd :( They had several Beatles albums but they were extremely well loved if you know what I mean. Thanks for watching and commenting Simon.
@redcomusic6 жыл бұрын
One of my versions doesn't contain "Speak To Me" nor "On The Run", but rather has "Wot's Uh the Deal?" as a bonus. When I upload my response/comparison video you'll find out why.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I look forward to your comparison video.
@bongofury31765 жыл бұрын
I ate the cassette and now I hear it all the time...
@BarakaPDub5 жыл бұрын
Let me know when you start to see it...then you'll have the ultimate experience ;)
@crazyprayingmantis55967 жыл бұрын
1. Canadian 2. Wally 3. Japanese/ KG, Sax 4. Grundman/Stan Richer (Mofi) Happy to have any of the first 3, glad to save the $ on the mofi and 2016 reissue, my stock standard CD from who knows when sounds better. I own the 2003 and an original Australian quad copy, they do me fine. Cool video, I was late to the party on this one.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
I would be quite content with the 2003 myself but I am curious about the quad. There have been a few people that have mentioned that it sounds quite good. Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts. I was really surprised by the under-performance of the Mofi.
@RLM5756 жыл бұрын
That was my take also, in that order Fantastic job on the editing. Will look for more of your shoots THX
@shamelessaura83494 жыл бұрын
The Canadian has too much treble. The US Pressing haves more bass.
@bryanmorgan7587 жыл бұрын
wow! the Japanese this time around is sounding much much better! the Canadian Press in my ears was a little more dynamic sounding, however perhaps I sit up here writing this in Toronto I'm being a little biased ;) the Mofi sounded great, and was definitely the quietest pressing. You're right though, it's really not as dramatic as the Zeppelin II. I'd probably be quite happy with any of these, and for around 20$ it'd be hard not to recommended that Bernie Cut. Great vid Paul!
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
I am glad the Japanese press had a good showing. The Japanese presses can be a mixed bag in my humble opinion but if there is one point of consistency, they are all nicely pressed and quiet. No problem being biased. The Canadian version has balls! And sometimes, I like my music with a little bit of balls.
@mushtombofficial7 жыл бұрын
All around my favorite without headphones is the original US pressing. the Canadian and Japanese sound almost identical, they both have louder, but fuzzier mids. The Stan Ricker mix has less Low end and sounds emptier than US. the doug sax version Has the vocals and drums A little to prominent, and the Bernie Grundman mix is "Flatter" and has a lower Fidelity sound. on the Grundman version of "Time", the drums are far to quiet, the only drums I can clearly hear are Hi Hat cymbal hits. For me, the original US is the best balance of everything.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for chiming in Elemeno P. Cool handle by the way. This is probably the most defined response I have had yet. Out of curiosity, what headphones were you using? I may have to go back and listen again.
@occasionalfeelgood234 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting the work in to do this, very cool of you to take the time to accomplish it. I own an original UK pressing, and the newest Grundman remasters, and quite honestly, I hear zero differences with my setup. But I underscore "my setup". So many factors can go into it, but I just wanted to add that, if anyone is looking to buy a solidly mastered copy of this album, the newest remasters is an excellent way to go.
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Occasional Feelgood! I would love to hear an original UK pressing but regardless of the system, I think you'll find that everyone has their own ear. For me, many of these the comparisons have marginal differences but there are cases where it's pretty stark. I would definitely go for the Grundman if I was just starting out for sure.
@occasionalfeelgood234 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Man, I just looked up the original UK presses on Discogs, I had no idea they were going for so much money. I was lucky and got my dad's collection, but I can't imagine spending such a price on a record. I will say that I've heard original US presses before, and I heard very little, if any, difference from the UK pressing. And this was heard on a standard setup. At any rate, I'm enjoying digging through your videos here, I see you're also a movie collector like myself. Tons of nice content you've got going!
@Head4Music7 жыл бұрын
Wally's pressing is by far the best. The dynamic range is more present, the mids don't feel squished, the highs and lows pop out and are clear and distinct. The worst is the Japan release, it is the loudest recording of the bunch and the volume seems to be causing some distortion. All the later pressings are suffering from a narrow bandwidth giving the music a super thin sound.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for chiming in Randy. I like the Wally and I am finding that although the Japanese records are usually dead silent due to the vinyl they used, many of them lack dynamics. This really explains why so many Japanese prefer original pressings versus their own.
@jamesgriffithsmusic7 жыл бұрын
Love the audio vérité and the images at the start of this video Paul. If there is one album in the history of music that I would love to have been involved with the making of, it's Dark Side. Great video, really enjoyed it. I have an early, possibly first or second British pressing that my dad bought as a gift for my mum back in the early seventies (you can see it in my recent response to Cloudy Milder's contest). My kids have no interest in music at the moment; if they still don't when I'm an old man and about to journey to the dark side of the moon myself, and if you're still around then also, I'll leave it to you in my will.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
You know, you're bringing up an interesting point which might be worthy of a thread. I am really curious how long my passion will last. I hope I will continue with it but like a lot of aging collectors, I see people just giving up the ghost at some point. I have had hobbies in the past were I just gave up. Maybe I'll cove you in my will if I go before you ;)
@jamesgriffithsmusic7 жыл бұрын
You're right...that is an interesting thread. I've known guys enter old age in quite a depressed state, with all their enthusiasms and interests gone. I've recently taken up gardening, which my grandfather did keenly until his sudden illness and death at the age of 86, so hopefully that should stand me in good stead.
@Paneeks19607 жыл бұрын
Well done Paul and very interesting comparison. I never knew that there were so many pressings of this album. I have an original US and UK pressing only. I would love to grab a few of these too. It is hard for me to tell. Each one sounds a little better than the other. I will go with the Bernie pressing because I like him so much. Fantastic editing~ Rob/Boston
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
An original UK??? Nice! If you got an original UK then I would call it good since that's the version the band had to sign off on. I think I have hit the end of the road for DSOTM. Including digital, I think I have eleven different takes on the album. But is it ever enough ;) I'll probably be buying Zeppelin reissues until the day I die. Thanks for chiming in Rob. P.S. The editing on this one was a pain in the a$$ but I am glad folks are enjoying it. I really just wanted to get the info out there.
@HiViNywschannel7 жыл бұрын
and brother Paul.... i love the way you constructed the cover photo!!!😁: - rainbow colours going through the stylus turned Prism, and sound waves coming out from it!!! on the electron microscope groove closeup!! 👍👍👍💪💪💪
@johnsweda29997 жыл бұрын
HiViNyws channel yes but its the wrong way round
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian! This is actually the second take. I had another one I put together which I opted not to use. Maybe as an outtake some day ;)
@Mikexception6 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing like two perfectly identical recordings in analogue audio tech. That is why they are unique. If done with care they are all marvelous
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@txc5002 жыл бұрын
Just found a real nice super clean 1973 Wally at a yard sale! Can't wait to give it a listen.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Now that's a killer find! I love it when you can find great albums cheaply at yard sales. Thanks for watching txc500.
@BioCYTE17 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job on this video Paul, wow, the editing on this one must have gotten you close than ever to Carpal Tunnel and Insanity! Believe I own 5 different pressings of this (MoFi, remaster, US 2nd, etc. blah, blah) and have to admit, I suspect we have the same thoughts in that all of them just sound nice because a botch job would be sacrilege. Likewise, I own multiple pressings of The Wall (my personal favorite) and they too all sound, well, damn fine. You deserve the patient editor of the year on this one man, I can only imagine the few times the computer lagged while you were wrapping it up you had a panic attack wondering when the last time you hit save was! Absolutely enjoyed every second of it, huge kudos. Did you use the Mani in the clips? Been thinkin' of grabbn' one for ha-ha's but the phono stage in the Marantz 2238b is just fine so I keep holdin' back. Slam dunk man, thanks for the entertainment! P.s., you know KZfaq compressed all this, it's not real, blah, blah ;-) Just kidding! - Lj
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks LJ and way my wrists were feeling it by the end of the editing process. These things are a pain to make but I thought I want to share with folks what I have found. Sometimes it's like splitting hairs with some pressings and others it's a lot more dramatic. I didn't use the Mani for this one since I went back to my Dynavector/Parasound JC 3+ config for the best sound quality. That said, the next day I get off, when the family is not around, I am going back to the Mani/MP-110 for a bit. The Mani is good though, even in the the Moving Coil config. I really wish I had known about it when I was getting into vinyl because it's by far the best deal I have seen on the market. I think you'll appreciate the difference. I too had to use my onboard Marantz for a bit when I blew a capacitor on my Bellari years ago.
@TheAgeOfAnalog6 жыл бұрын
The 2016 BG mix is my favorite because of the reduced background noise and phenomenal detail. The Wally mix has incredible punch in just the right range for me, maybe it's a nostalgia thing, as it sounds the most like what I had on cassette back in the day. The others have their pros and cons. The Canadian is a bit colored, but I'd be more than happy if I hadn't heard the others. I'd rate them in the following order, from best to least best. 1. 2016 BG mix (the detail, baby) 2. Wally (fantastic low-mid punch) 3. Canadian, Stan, 2003 (tie) 4. Japanese (a bit too bright and hot) Glad to find I like the BG mix best, as one is currently in route to me, along with his versions of WYWH and Animals.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for your rankings! I have been finding people are all over the map with this one and it really boils down to what sound people prefer. I don't think the 2016 reissue is as bad as people make it out to be but it is different from the others.
@TheAgeOfAnalog6 жыл бұрын
I'll know for sure soon, as it should be in my possession in a few days, but what I like about what I heard on the BG pressing, is the smooth even sound, low noise, and intricate detail. I can always boost the bass or treble slightly on my amp if I think it needs some.
@Innuband4 жыл бұрын
Canadian, for me. Thanks for sharing!
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
And thank you so much for taking the time to watch and chiming in!
7 жыл бұрын
The runout groove on USA press is shockingly larger ..like a 1cm difference ! Easy to see comprimise in how it was mastered for vinyl. That explains alot.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Yep. Definitely shows how the levels were adjusted.
@nelsondesilva39167 жыл бұрын
You're right when you say you'd be happy with any of these. Even with KZfaq's compression they all sound nice. About the only difference I could hear is perhaps volume (slightly) louder on the Canadian pressing, but that's it! I have the 2003 version, a mid seventies Japanese version and now I might go and get myself the Bernie Grundman version due in part to your video. I really enjoyed your video, nice work.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nelson and I am glad you picked up the loudness of the Canadian pressing. That was something that immediately jumped out at me. What do you think of your mid seventies pressing? I am glad my Japanese press this time turned out to be reasonably good.
@nelsondesilva39167 жыл бұрын
To be honest regarding my mid seventies pressings, it's been a while and I've never really bothered to do a comparison. But I'm curious now since watching your video and may spend time doing that very thing. And full disclosure, I'm into Pink Floyd in quadraphonic of which I have even more versions in vinyl!!!
@vinniemorciglio46326 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked by how much more open and cleaner the Canadian pressing is. But that it still sounds like Floyd. It maybe closer to how later Floyd albums sound (Wish You Were Here, Animals). I wonder if they had the British Masters sent to them to use. I would look for that outright, just based on the fidelity and dynamic range difference.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Someday I hope to land an original British press as I am curious to see how it would fair. You always wonder what the sourcing was on this side of the Atlantic. I always speculate the North American versions came from a first generation copy of the master tape.
@vinylrichie0074 жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest. They all sounded pretty good to me.
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, some of these comparisons are like splitting hairs and it's really the music that matters.
@laserfloyd7 жыл бұрын
I really dig that Canadian version. Has a nice wide sound with headphones. Thanks for posting!
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching. I prefer the Canadian as well.
@SammeLagom7 жыл бұрын
In my ears the canadian press sounds air'ier and with sharper discant than the Wally master. :-p
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
To my ears the Canadian version was a bit louder than the rest and that's not a bad thing. When I am listening to good music, I want to feel the force of it at times.
@stilllifewithguitar1847 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i like the airiness and high end on the Canadian.
@derickvillarino7 жыл бұрын
This one was tough but to my ears this is what I liked in order: 1) Kevin Gray 2) Bernie Grundman 3) Canadian Press 4) Japanese Press 5) Wally Traugott 6) MoFi
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hello Derick! Thanks for putting in your thoughts on this. I would have a hard time rating these and I don't think I could declare anyone a winner because of the toughness but I do agree, the Mofi was the most disappointing in my mind.
@derickvillarino7 жыл бұрын
yes paul i had a hard time too. infact when i did watch it again the 2nd time, thought the canadian press was better. but had to make a call just like when we decide which record to get given the many good titles/pressings to choose from. anyways i'm just curious, what would 3 choices would have rounded up your top 3, maybe not necessarily in particular order? lastly, is it already difficult to get a kevin gray press of this title? thanks again paul! look forward to another shootout. maybe a blue note title where we can hear an original, music matters, analogue productions and a japanese pressing? cheers!
@wcg667 жыл бұрын
Great job Paul. Regardless of which one is best, it's fascinating that different versions do sound different -- another amazing part of vinyl collecting. I'm a bit late to the Pink Floyd party. I have an original Canadian pressing of The Wall because everyone got that album when it came out. As for PF themselves they were the antithesis of the punk movement that I was into back then. However, I've since bought most of the 2016 reissues and am very pleased with them! I could have bought that Canadian pressing of DSOTM recently, I'm kicking myself for not getting it!
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
I am with you on being late to the party. I really had nothing to bring me to connect me to their music for the longest time and it wasn't until I got out of college that I started digging further into their back catalog. I am glad that all of the pressings sound reasonably good. There are some other albums though where there are pretty huge differences. I have a few more of these in store for the future.
@davidguerre68967 жыл бұрын
It is nice to ear differences, the highs crispiness, the bass presence, the middle frequency...etc And in this "cutting" style of comparaison, we ( our ears, brain..etc) can immediately hear subtle ( or more pronounced) differences.. I also liked the WT pressing the most, because it has a very good separation of instruments, deep bass, not too crispy Highs, and an enjoyable Middle frequency.. the one i liked the less was Stan R. Pressing..the Doug & Kevin sounded very closeto my ears ;) Cheers, thx for the video
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and dropping your thoughts David. Stan's pressing is starting to become a point of consistency and I am starting to find that Stan's cuts for Mofi are very similar for whatever it's worth. I do like the Doug and Kevin pressing myself.
@keithling4176 жыл бұрын
When this was first released in the US, there were versions that did not have the sticker on the front. I bought my original copy at a Treasure Island (J.C. Penney Department store. I remember this because I had heard tracks on WRAS as soon as it was released and looked there several times for it. I finally asked the department manager about it and he told me "Oh, that's the black cover with the prism on the front. It's on the waterfall stand at the end of this aisle". I found it, but didn't see a title. I wasn't aware at the time about album titles being printed on the spine because I had only recently started collecting. I asked the manager "How can you tell this is that album?" Then I felt like a doo-doo head when she showed me the spine. I've probably had about 4 different vinyl versions, including the Japanese pressing you have.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Keith, Sorry for the delayed reply but your comment was dumped into my Spam folder. Sometimes, I just don't know how KZfaq's filtering algorithm works. That's really a cool story. Hearing this album for the first time is always a unique experience and I wasn't even alive when the album was first dropped. Personally, I am missing out on the days when your only avenue for music was through the radio or network TV. I think the final product and communal experience was so much better in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. With the advent of the internet, satellite radio, and a gazillion channels of TV, there are far few communal experiences of that magnitude anymore. While it's great to hear so much more stuff, I think music as a product has been diluted to a degree. That's not to say there isn't great music being made but I think having something on the order of DSTOM coming out again will be rare. Thanks for sharing your story and have a happy holiday!
@markkopernicky34897 жыл бұрын
Ok so I finally sat down and did a proper listen to this....which I must thank you for doing this...love these types of comparison videos...my vote goes to the Canadian pressing. ..overall it sounded more full and powerful. ..I was shocked how weak THE MOFI sounded in comparison. ..considering that a MOFI version costs about 80 dollars canadian around here ( I'm in Toronto)...I bought my Canadian version for 10 dollars. ..and it sounds great...and great lesson learned. ..sometimes you are paying for the name (MOFI)...just because it's a MOFI doesn't mean it's better. thanks again Paul.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
The Canadian version has BALLS for sure ;) And you said it on the Mofi. I have mixed feelings about the ones produced in the eighties and I don't think the output is the same as what they are capable of now.
@karllandgren54107 жыл бұрын
Paid $110 in '83 for the MoFi UHQR, and it is--shall we say--stellar; the initial clocks sound blew one channel's tweeter fuse, so I kept a flashlight & spare fuse at hand! Once listened to some (yeah, it's hard to only listen to part of DSotM) of an SQ quadraphonic version played through a two-channel rig with electrostatic speakers; on Eclipse "everyone you meet", I distinctly heard more than one person's voice for the first (and to date, only) time. The Kevin Gray/ Doug Sax 30th anniv. edition sounded spectacular on my buddy's Linn (reasonably close to the UH, I think). Had a copy or two back in '75 Maybe an "original original"; never played it on a "high fidelity first class" rig, though. I want to listen to the 5.1 ch SACD. Thank you for your comparo work.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Karl. I would love to land myself a copy of the UHQR and I have never seen a copy in person. Others have told me the Japanese Pro-use is a good one to hear too. If I ever land one of these or an original UK, there will definitely be a follow up to this video.
@CoreysChannel7 жыл бұрын
OK my vote is for Wally. I tried to ignore my instinct to go with the Canadian pressing or others just because the highs were brighter. The Japanese version was very close but I started to notice the mid ranges were the biggest difference to me. Over all the Wally won out but man was it a close shoot out! You chose the order very well. I listened at HD 1080p with Audio techniques noise cancelling headphones ANC33iS on a laptop. I owned a mofi and traded it in because it was too noisy lol. The store owners gave me quite a bit of credit that day. BUT I didn't know about the font difference. Mine was a newer copy. Did you see that the Abby Road console that DSOTM was recorded on sold for 1.8mm? Great video Paul, thanks for taking the time to do this.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thank's Corey! This one was a labor of love and took forever on the editing side but I wanted to put the info out there for everyone so they can see which one they ultimately prefer. While I am partial to the Wally, I really can't make up my mind about which one I like best but the consensus is seem to be that the Mofi isn't quite as good as the others. I still love my Mofi's but the earlier ones can be hit or miss in terms of sound quality. 1.8 for the console? Didn't hear that one but after seeing Sound City, I guess I am not surprised that a deep pocketed individual would spring that much for it.
@SpaceCattttt5 жыл бұрын
I see that many others have the same favorite as me, but yes, the Canadian is by far the best to my ears. It strikes a nice balance between loudness and separation of the various audio elements. The worst one (although they're all fine) is the Japanese one. And that really came as a surprise, given how good Japanese pressings tend to be. It would be interesting to put the Canadian up against the SACD version, which so far is the superior version to all other versions, in my opinion.
@BarakaPDub5 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of the SACD version too and honestly, when I want to listen, I go to that version quite frequently. While some purists scoff at it, I really enjoy the 5.1 mix they did with it. I can't wait to see what Acoustic Sounds/Analogue Productions does with Animals this year on SACD. As for Japanese pressings...a good portion of them are disappointing from a mastering perspective despite the quiet vinyl. It really explains why the Japanese continue to scoop up vinyl in the United States and Europe and sell it back home.
@frankvanhelvert6231 Жыл бұрын
yes i agree,the canadian press stood out!
@onderov4 жыл бұрын
Wally sounds incredible! It slaughters all the others.
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
I am just amazed and they're so common here in the United States. It just goes to show sometimes the original copy sounds the best.
@DassHogg6 жыл бұрын
I have a Canadian, and a UK pressing. Not sure what year they were issued, will have to do some deadwax research. They both sound good. Wouldn't know how to compare them to the many other issues. I'm fortunate to have them as each copy was a gift.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
I think I would be probably content with either. An original UK would be a dream buy for me as supposedly, at least for purists, it should sound the best. Regardless, this record is a must own so I would be happy with just about any pressing of it. There are some occasions where I find a pressing that totally sucks. The 4 Men With Beards reissues are some of those cases.
@robv604 жыл бұрын
my picks: CAN, 2016, 2003, Wally
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robv60 for chiming in. If I ever acquire more pressings of this album and do a sequel, I want to switch up the A/B comparisons a bit.
@FlipSideCT7 жыл бұрын
Wally, Stan, Kevin, Bernie all Winners. Now how is the simple consumer buyer suppose to figure this out and have an understanding of where to go and what to do when buying. Either there is to much out there, or there is incompetent people making technical decisions. Just do it right the first time! Thanks Paul.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hello Steve! I really can't figure out which one I like the best and I have seen a few net debates get pretty terse on the subject. To me, I would really be content with any of them but I wanted to share what I had found. Ultimately, it gets down to the listener and what they prefer.
@MichaelHansenFUN4 ай бұрын
canada pressing britheer sound' that one tan label was kinda strange like the sound was more thicker side by side mfsl sounds slightly compressed-like they are pushing past speakers 12:55 sound shifts and the drums sound brighter 13:45 sounds slightly different 14:54 sounds like one is clinching ones ears like kids did thats how to explaine it compared to placing microphone next to speakers at different angles
@BarakaPDub3 ай бұрын
Sadly, I find a lot of the MFSL's from this era to be a disappointment. Thanks for checking this one out Michael.
@markkopernicky34897 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul..are you sure the Canadian one doesn't say TLC in the deadwax? (The Lacquer Channel? )
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Weren't we just talking about that ;) You're probably right! Now I am going to scrutinize my Canadian pressings a bit more.
@jen38007 жыл бұрын
i am a professional engineer who, at 55 can still hear above 16 khz. that is not supposed to happen at my age. glad to have found this, as it never ovvured to me to compare pressings. i only work with master tapes. after that, the band does as they wish, often slaughtering my work with so called mastering engineers. it is laughable. the canadian pressing is harsh in the mids and cymbals . the original is soft and warm, no hype. there is no comparison between the two. the original is best.those of you who prefer the CDN pressing are the same people who buy their audio gear from best buy and shop in malls and like those hyped up sounds. that is fine for a few minutes but unbearable for extended listening. untrained ears like candy. it is understandable, but you are wrong. thank you, poster for enlightening me!
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts j en. I only dream of hearing a master and comparing what gets put on a master tape to what is pressed would make for an interesting listen. With the mastering engineer, you're adding another set of ears to the chain and making compromises for the medium which introduces some subjectivity.
@jen38007 жыл бұрын
Baraka... yes and no. if the mastering engineer and mix engineer and band are all on the same page, he can enhance the work merely by passing it through the signal chain, much akin to playing vinyl through a McIntosh tube amp, but in the wrong hands, especially these days with the loudness wars... we don't stand much chance. and yes, you are right, the studio mix is exceptional to experience first hand, seeing the joy in the eyes of the band, as they fill with light and laughter. if the chain stays linked, all will be well, but when a record is treated like a cheap suit , all is lost to chance. would you really trust your master tapes to some smart ass kid with a laptop, or an old man with a lathe and a mean attitude?
@Peter-ii4xq6 жыл бұрын
And a lot of people think they have the best ears in the world. That's my experience as a professionel musician and conductor.
@jeffro7p2025 жыл бұрын
There is only one thing here that is "laughable"
@zurichsee7065 жыл бұрын
nice post! More is not always better......... Look what has happened with CDs over the years... They all sound so loud now and with "punch" but the dynamic range is so fucking bad. I personally prefer the music: quiet, warm and more dynamic (mmmm, like sex)
@isettech6 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't take the samples and put them in audacity and invert one to find the differences. This is quiet telling. It is a little hard to do as each mastering has a different amount of tape speed difference and wow which clearly shows in the audacity difference test. The differences in the mix are very apparent. Did this on the CD, SACD and Mobile Fideliety Labs copy. Found either due to mastering or differences in playback, one is already inverted.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
You're correct on pulling things in Audacity to look at the differences. I did this with Michael Fremer's Caliburn vs. SL1200G. It's also good to pull in the Dynamic Range meter. At the end of the day though, some of it will boil down to personal preference.
@bugleboy57 жыл бұрын
Even using my computer, I immediately notice the differences in the Truagautt and Canadian / Jap pressings. Traugatt seems much more warmth compared to the two. The Sax and Gray also seemed on the warmer side, but the Grundman sounded really detailed and still warm ish. In reality, though, it'd be hard to know which is best, without at least having one british copy in there for good measure, as I hear they master things a little differently over there.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hello Bugleboy 5. I wish I had a UK original as I think that would help to put an end to the wondering by many. Someday maybe! I do agree with your perception of warmth on the Traugott. Thanks for putting in your thoughts on this and I am glad you could pick up the differences on your computer. I always wonder how well the differences will be picked up by others.
@DavidLee-rx6uo Жыл бұрын
I own a Quadraphonic from Australia that is stellar!
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
I am hunting for a good quadraphonic copy. If there is one album to listen to in quad, it's this one.
@DougB6 жыл бұрын
There's an aspect to this which hasn't been mentioned, or at least I haven't seen it be mentioned. Which is that depending on the age of The Listener their ears are going to discern the frequencies differently then someone of a different age whose ears are able to pick up frequencies that the former's isn't. My 46 year-old ears appreciate the colored tone and stand-out highs of the Canadian pressing.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug, I agree with the comment. I also feel everyone has a certain sound preference. Judging by the comments folks have provided, there is a lot of variance in the responses.
@hurdygurdyguy14 жыл бұрын
You got that right ... I'm 65 and I can't distinguish any differences in any of the comparisons... oh well...
@spinalcrackerbox7 жыл бұрын
BarakaPDub, since the Canadian pressing gets several positive comments here, I would suggest you hunt for a Canadian orig. red label pressing of Led Zeppelin III, which is supposed to be the best sounding one out there and do a shootout for that album (I love these comparisons).
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I heard a similar claim about Zeppelin II and the red label. Do you happen to have a Canadian version of Zeppelin IV? That was one that I might target for a shootout further down the road since I have several different versions of that one.
@spinalcrackerbox7 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I do not and as I live in Europe the postage would probably go as high as the price of the record (on discogs looks like a VG+ original can be had for $25 and a M- one for $40 after looking at all entries for non-RE 1971 ones with SD 7208 number).
@Suunder5 жыл бұрын
just got my 1st press of dark side im a huge fan of pink floyd i dont even have a turntable XD
@BarakaPDub5 жыл бұрын
1st Press UK? If so, I'm extremely jealous ;)
@Suunder5 жыл бұрын
BarakaPDub yup cost me a bunch ;D
@socksumi6 жыл бұрын
For me it's the Canadian pressing first followed by Wally T's version. No doubt. Both sound smooth and rich but the Canadian copy has a bit more clarity and articulation while retaining the wonderful smoothness and warmth of the Wally copy. The Wally sounds a tad rolled off in the highs by comparison and maybe a bit lesss dynamic. The rest are all noticeably less good in various ways. The Japanese pressing is maybe third place. You went to a lot of trouble to make this comparison and you did a great job. As an aging old school audiophile, I thank you.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Socksumi. I have a few more planned for the future but most won't be as in depth as this one in terms of number of copies. I think my wife would strangle me if I bought one more copy of the DSOTM.
@andrewskivington64537 жыл бұрын
There's a Japanese "PRO-USE SERIES" version that came out in 1977 (its cat number is EMLF-97002 and has a black OBI strip instead of a white one) which is arguably the best of the pressings that came out of that country.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
That's the one to find for me right now. I had a couple of other people comment that I should seek that one out.
@TONEScott7 жыл бұрын
How did I miss this one????? OMG. Excellent! By the way my brother, the etching in the Canadian pressing is not TGC but it's actually "TLC" for 'The Lacquer Channel' which was (and still is) a mastering studio in Toronto. Not sure if anyone else mentioned this already as I didn't check all of your responses to this video... there were a lot. You will often see the etching - "TLC-T" which also stands for the type of lacquer used.... kinda weird, lol e.g. - T = Transco lacquers P = Pyral lacquers A = Apollo lacquers :-)
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tone. And you're right about TLC. I have learned more about them since I made this one. I am hope to pick up a few more of their presses for a future Deadwax and/or comparison video.
@TONEScott7 жыл бұрын
BarakaPDub that would be a good one, Paul. Looking forward to that one!
@nacho774211 ай бұрын
My top: 1. 2003 classic records 2. Draw between RL cut and Mofi (very smiley mofi but much clearer) 3. 2014 4. Japanese I live in Chile and here buyers are always selling japanese and normal reissues, they say that everything from japan or new is better, here is really hard to find us or european pressings
@BarakaPDub11 ай бұрын
Thanks Nacho for giving your thoughts on it! Honestly, as beautiful the Japanese decorate their albums, I can't say I've ever liked the sound of any of them. I really don't like the base frequencies at all. I wonder if there is a good Chilean press of this record when it debuted in the 70s?
@bronsonosborne20646 жыл бұрын
the Canadian pressing sounds great on my fisher kx 200 with schitt DAC and infinity rs 425 speakers
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
A Schitt DAC...sweet. Old style Fishers aren't half damn bad either.
@alvaroantoniocarbone78387 жыл бұрын
Hello Baraka, notice Deadwax's version with Wally. She is closer. That means he gave more freedom to the cutting grooves. The other "cuts" have Deadwax are wider. The grooves become narrower, resulting in "weak" audio.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
That is absolutely true. Groove space will definitely play into the quality of the audio! Good comment.
@utub14734 жыл бұрын
1. Canadian 2. Capitol 3. 30th Anniversary 4. Mobile Fidelity 5. 2016 Reissue 6. Japanese
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
Thanks utub! Very nice list. The Japanese version would also be at the bottom of mine.
@skycaptain15807 жыл бұрын
Hi. Great shootout again ; for my taste I like the best the 73' US pressing which is well balanced and with a solid bass presence, the Japanese with its more "open" sound, and the Canadian the "loudest" of all. The others although good seems to forgot the bass a little too much for me, some are even toned down. Thanx for the vid. PS : I finally got my hands one Schiit Mani, and will soon couple it with my PL-514 and the MP-110.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hello Sky Captain! I think this one is going to be interesting to see where everyone lands. I used the '73 US as the baseline since that was the oldest version I had. I am surprised how clean it was given it's age. I do agree with your comment on the Canadian version being the loudest. BTW - Hope you're enjoying the Mani. Please let me know what you think when you pair it with the MP-110.
@Darrin.Crawford7 жыл бұрын
Paul, you were right to use the Wally as your basis as you did the Ludwig for the Zeppelin comparison. If I was anal as you are (lol) I would have gone with the most recent reissue and worked backwards as a double comparison.. ..so to speak. But hell. just you doing this is a total treat. You are to be totally commended for your efforts. More videos should be done with this on other titles. Not to steal your thunder but I would love to hear some Genesis, Gabriel, Beatles, Rush shootouts as well. I know there is an I Robot MFSL vs Music On Vinyl comparison and that one is awesome. Even a Fleetwood Mac Rumors, original, vs Steve Hoffman reissue or Boston MFSL vs original vs Music On Vinyl. Once again Sir, hats off to you and if I could upload a shot of Brandy or a beer to you I would. Thanks again...Darrin
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Darrin. The Beatles, while it would be fun to do, all of their music is blocked on KZfaq. Fleetwood Mac and Boston would be fun. I might consider doing I Robot down the road. I have the original Mofi issue and the new Mofi issue. It would be fun to see how they stack up against one another but before I do that, I want to find an original. I think there is a Wally Traugott mastering of that one.
@boogiewoogie97707 жыл бұрын
UK 3rd press is my go to...nice thick vinyl. Sold my Canadian Wally cut soon after buying.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I hope to come across a Canadian Press someday...someday.
@torch00017 жыл бұрын
wonderful comparison, great work! the wally us and the 2003 remaster sound best to me... i have an early german pressing, maybe first press, and i am totally satisfied with the sound.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised by the German press. The few German pressings I do have, I have been really impressed with.
@markymo327 жыл бұрын
I really like the Wally version the best . 1. Wally 2. 2003 3. Canada 4. Japan 5. 2016 6. MoFi Thank You, so much for taking the time and energy to do this video.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
My pleasure. And thanks for putting in your input. I am always curious to see what people think.
@markymo327 жыл бұрын
Going by the video information the "Wally" version is a second US pressing. At the 6:50 point he compares the 'Wally" US version VS the Canadian version by switching back and forth between the two.
@craig29077 жыл бұрын
For me the Canadian pressing sounds the best with more air or space in the sound. I thought the bass on Bernie's pressing sounded weaker. Interesting as I was looking at buying this version after my uk original given to me by my parents was ruined in a flood. Thank you for the effort you put into this. If only YT didn't compress the sound.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Your welcome and thanks for the comment. For people looking to purchase a copy, this is exactly why I did this video. While it's not definitive by any means, it does give some perspective on what is out there.
@brenthooton34127 жыл бұрын
This was a lot of fun and really well done. The demos interspersed between the individual shootouts were really effective as audio "palate cleansers". My initial reaction was that I enjoyed the Canadian one more - it sounds like it has a little more life in it. The Japanese doesn't sound much different from the baseline pressing. All the other ones sound inferior to my ears - quieter, deader, or weaker on bass. Somewhere I've got a copy of my dad's Canadian pressing, although I'm sure it is in nowhere near as good a condition! (But I think it may still have the inserts.)
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Since this album was so good, finding a good clean original pressing can be a bit of challenge but not impossible. Hopefully, you dad's copy plays all the way through and it's good if it has the inserts. I think finding a copy with the inserts is even more challenging. Thanks for chiming in with your perspective.
@R3TR0R4V38 ай бұрын
Canadian FTW! ✊Hard to pick a 2nd, they're close.. Maybe the KPG/DS, then Japanese? US 3rd, & BG 4th. 🤷🏻 Thanks for the comparison!
@BarakaPDub7 ай бұрын
Ha! Thanks so much for checking this out. I honestly tell folks not to pass on a Canadian pressing if they see one. A lot of the Canadian pressings are just as good as their US counterparts. Not a bad ranking R3TROR4V3.
@MarkTillotson6 жыл бұрын
One key point about DSotM is the preecho/printthrough just before the chimes go off for 'Time' - very noticable in the original UK pressing, I presume they've improved that on remastered ones. When comparing pressings its always good to include a dead quiet section so surface noise level can be heard.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
On the noise level, it's a fair point for gauging the pressing quality. Still working on an original UK press.
@ronniesrecordroom7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, what a great job editing and putting these comparisons together. Surely not as big a difference as Led Zeppelin II, I would be happy with almost any of these pressings.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Got you subbed now! Thanks for comment on the editing. This is something I had been working out for the past couple of months but the splicing everything together takes hours. I am happy just to get the intel out on the pressings I own just so folks can judge them with their own ears.
@nathanielenochs18432 жыл бұрын
Now do the same but the CD Pressings of The Dark Side of The Moon
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
I think I only have three CD pressings of this album.
@stevenlapierre17423 жыл бұрын
I have the Canadian edition but I see the Wally signature in the dead wax.....
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
It's likely that the label made some additional stampers or a mother from Wally's lacquer cut and had it shipped to Canada. It's a common occurrence to cut costs to some degree.
@James-hb6ee6 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, interesting comparison. I listened through Sennheiser HD650 phones run through a Grace m9XX DAC (...and of course KZfaq compression). The Canadian, Wally and Japanese pressings all sounded pretty good, hard to distinguish differences like soundstaging though them. One thing I noticed that I didn't see mentioned in the comments that I read was that the MoFi was cut at a lower level than the others, which would cause it to be at a disadvantage to the others in this comparison (because it didn't seem the levels were matched), but give it the advantage by allowing more of the natural dynamic range from the tape to be passed through. That was one of the touted advantages of the half speed mastering that MoFi uses. Also, the super low noise levels of the JVC SuperVinyl that the MoFi's were pressed on, allowed for the lower overall levels and greater dynamic range to be captured in the grooves. I have the 1st MoFi press(ing) :) and I find it to be very quiet and also very dynamic. When all the alarms go off, GET BACK JACK if you have the volume cranked up! It gets loud!
@VQR4203 жыл бұрын
Best to worst for me was: KG&DS (2003) BG (2016) Wally Canadian Japan MFSL Which amazes me, since I found the Wally and Canadian very narrow in their soundstage, but more tonally balanced with more dynamic and deep timbre than the Japan or MFSL. The 2016 had better soundstage than those four, but too bright and the decay and transients seemed artificial in some way. 2003 had the best soundstage of all of them, with quiet surfaces and dynamics, both high and low, to.boot. It probably helps I own the 2003, but I can admit that. XD
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for chiming in and I like your line up. I think the 2016 would sound better if Bernie Grundman was given the masters to work with but I always recommend the 2003 if folks can track it down.
@TheFRiNgEguitars7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, and very well done! The baseline sounds the most muted of all the rest, but certainly a good pressing ! The Mofi sounded the most different, typical scooped out mid, enhanced mid-bass and treble in the 6 to 10 Khz range. The mofi sound is superimposed, but preferred by some listeners... nice pressing of course and super quiet. I like the Canadian pressing, nice and open, quiet background, superior dynamics, and also the Japanese pressing.
@TheFRiNgEguitars7 жыл бұрын
BTW, I find the sound over "you'tube" for whatever reason tends to be much "warmer" than the actual recording. I am always in HD, do have full frequency range, however it is slightly rolled off (lending to a warmer sound) When in 480p, the high freqs tend to roll off very significantly above 8kHz. (by comparison on the same laptop sound card) The warmer sound overall may be some other cause, perhaps my internet provider, or wifi... (good sound but not great sound on my very critical monitors) The quality is good enough that the differences in these pressings were immediately audible. As for compression, I do not hear any compression from recent high quality uploads on you tube.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for chiming in because I kind of expected this one to be all over the map in terms of preferences. My experience with the early Mofi's is that they can sound very different from the originals. That's either a good or a bad thing depending on preference. I do like some of the earlier Mofi's but not all.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
That's interesting information and something that I never really looked at in any detail. You're probably right about the roll off on the high frequencies.
@sotirios6663 жыл бұрын
Doug Sax & Kevin Gray version. Wide open, balanced with endless headroom on a full range system. What cart is that on your Rega? Is there a list of your gear?
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sotirious! If there is one version of this record I would take with me to a desert island, it's that one. So the cart on my Rega now and the one used for this video is a Dynavector XX-2. The sound was coming directly from my Parasound JC3+ Phono PreAmp directly into a TASCAM DR-05 recorder.
@sotirios6663 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Sounds excellent! I knew it had to be an MC cart. May be my next choice. Great work on your channel. Actually informative. 🤘🏼
@simewn7 жыл бұрын
Amazing job by Doug Sax & Kevin Gray! The Canadian was a little more compressed and loud and the Japan one was harsh.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
I love the Sax/Gray combo myself and you can see how much it is loved based on how much it goes for in the aftermarket.
@Kalprog7 жыл бұрын
Seems to me the Canadian pressing was slightly louder but very subtely. It did not sacrifice the overall clarity. All of these are done very well because the original source is so kick ass, would be proud to own all or any of these beauties. Thanks for the video its thought provoking and interesting. Any other Pink Floyd comparisons coming?
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
All I can say is perhaps. This one had been in work for awhile and I had slowly been snapping up pressings cheaply for this purpose. I really wanted to try and answer the question for myself on what is the best but I had to share what I had found with others. Honestly, in my mind I can't declare a winner cause there are three that I like but for different reasons. If I do target one more title it might be Wish You Were Here. I would really like to see if the Columbia Half Speed Mastered is as great as they had been hyped. I don't have one yet but I am on the hunt. I passed on a copy a couple of months ago because there was something else I wanted more and didn't have a lot of money. If I can gather an original UK pressing of any of the Floyds, a shootout will be made ;)
@charlesludwig91734 жыл бұрын
On this day I'm growing impatient for my backordered DSOTM multi-channel SACD. I have no idea what vinyl version I own but having purchased it from a book store just two years ago, I suspect it's a late model. It sounds nice, very black silent moments, and no pops from my SL-1210GR/Shure V15V-MR/Jico SAS. Still, can't wait for the multi-channel SACD.
@BarakaPDub4 жыл бұрын
Is Analogue Productions redoing it? I thought I heard they were going to do it. I know they mentioned they were going to do Animals as a 5:1 SACD which I am excited about but I've noticed that Analogue Productions can announce something and it can take over a year to put it out. The multi-channel version is well worth it! Do you like your Jico SAS? I've heard great things about them.
@charlesludwig91734 жыл бұрын
BarakaPDub the SACD is coming to me from Acoustic Sounds. I do not know who is producing it. I like the SAS. Fortunately I can compare and contrast it to a V15V with Shure MR stylus; yet, so far, I have only discerned a hint of divergence; thus, no preference. Each seems in terms of detail and tone to deliver what I’d hear from a CD of same music with perhaps more or less dynamics. At any rate the SAS satisfies and that’s good since I’m out of money to do any more cartridge explorations.
@300DBenz7 жыл бұрын
The Canadian pressing is bright. The Japanese one is slightly muddy (too much emphasis on the midrange). The MOFI has less bass than Capitol pressing (but has a wider sound stage). The Doug Sax pressing is very close to the Capitol, but has slightly more punchier/clearer bass. The Grundman pressing is also a bit brighter, I'd say it lacks the warm sound the others have, it does sound like it was digitally sourced. But this is only my opinion based on what I heard through my tiny iPad speakers, I'll probably edit this once I have a chance to listen through some higher quality speakers, I know I missed something. *edit* yep, I definitely missed something, iPad speakers couldn't produce enough bass to notice the difference between the MOFI and the Capitol. Review/opinion updated. I agree the the Doug Sax/Kevin Gray is the best version of these to have, but it's not enough of a difference to make me throw away my Grundman pressing and hunt down a copy (unlike Led Zep 2)
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in your two cents here and I am glad you switched off of the iPad. I have done a lot of listening on my iPhone 7 and I know I am missing a ton! I do like the Sax/Gray version of the album but if I had to start from scratch, I wouldn't complain about the Grundman. I don't think it's that bad but it wouldn't be my top choice.
@gardenweasel76066 жыл бұрын
The original was best every single time, usually by a wide margin. That murky but strong plodding sound is what I’m used to and feels like the right fit. All but the 40th anniversary digital one are still fine. Canada maybe needed lower volume, and 2003 / MFSL a bit more volume to get a proper comparison. (They might have the same punch when played louder.) Japan was matched dynamic range wise so a nice “revealing” alternative. Regardless, the original had less “hiss” & a darker soundstage so good to know my vintage copy clicks and pops and all isn’t any worse off than some $100 special edition sold at FYE and Best Buy now.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and providing your thoughts Garden Weasel. I have found the responses have differed quite a bit with this one which I guess isn't too surprising.
@huhuhu5576 жыл бұрын
This is cool but I think the quadraphonic pressing are the best ones and hardest to find due to how quad failed to catch on. But overall this video is incredible.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
The quad would be interesting. I have never seen one personally but I do see quad discs from time to time on digs. While I think I am done with purchasing DSOTM, there are a few exceptions and the Quad would be one of them.
@thomosburn87406 жыл бұрын
The Sax/Gray and the MFSL were my favorites on your shootout, the Canadian and Jpn sounded spatially "flatter". It is a shame that you don't have an early UK or German pressing - My go-to is a 3rd press German with the MFSL being my "backup"
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
If I ever get a early UK or a Japanese Pro-Use version, then I'll likely do an update to this one.
@DocStrangelyStrange7 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul I have an OG blue triangle pressing. I can safely say it blows any other pressing I have heard out of the water. It really is amazing quality. I think I have 3 or 4 different pressings including a couple of 70s ones and the 30th anniversary edition. Take care Kevin
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Hello Kevin! Can't say I am surprised at all about the original and I am very jealous by the way ;) It's so good to be in the source country. The UK version is one that I am dying to hear someday. If I do happen to acquire one, this video will be getting an addendum.
@capitolemiproducer6 жыл бұрын
Wally vs Canada: Canada wins. Wally's slightly muddy in comparison to Canada
@michaelmarotta59476 жыл бұрын
The Canadian and Japanese stood out for me, real close. Wally’s next and then the rest.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thank Michael. Very interesting choices and there is no wrong or right answer here for sure.
@jordiiglesias45366 жыл бұрын
Agree, these two retain dynamics, slighty muffled on Japanese, the rest are muffled and no dynamic. Better than Capitol onec Canadian pressing should be picked to face off against the rest.
@vinylcity15996 жыл бұрын
I just bought the Grundman version, sounds fantastic to me! Of course that's the only version I've ever owned except for the CD version! The "change" sound on "money" doesn't have that "teeth rattling" clink that the master tape has! But still sounds great compared with most "modern" vinyl!
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Great comment Analog Guy. The differences are likely not going from night to day for a lot of people. In some cases your going from an A student to an A+ student. It's the music that really matters but I still like having fun with these comparisons. Everyone has different tastes in the sound they prefer too.
@vinylcity15996 жыл бұрын
BarakaPDub yep, I have yet to run into a lousy mastered issue! Their usually very meticulous with reissuing these major record's!
@drunclear6 жыл бұрын
1. Canadian 2. Japanese (close second) 3. & 4. Wally & KG - these sounded nearly identical to me. Or at least not better/worse. 5. Grundman 6. MoFi I do have a 1973 Japanese pressing. The first pressing had an OBI with 2000 yen on it, the second had the 2200 Yen OBI, which is the one I have. It is sublime and I think better than the Japanese featured here although hard to tell without a face-off. Pretty shocked about the MoFI but goes to show you must A-B pressings and can't rely on label/mastering engineer reputation alone. Wonderful channel, I'm enjoying immensely! Found you through Ian's channel.
@BarakaPDub6 жыл бұрын
Thanks drunclear. Several commented on how good the Japanese Pro-Use edition is so I am trying to seek that one out. I would be curious to learn if the '73 Japanese press came from UK parts. The Japanese have been known to get metal parts from the country of origin for their own presses.
@robbrobb75877 жыл бұрын
Wally's sounds deep but slightly distant. Rickers has that 70s feel and sounds quite narrow and pushed almost tinny. The Canadian version was vibrant and full didn't sound like they rolled anything off the high or low end. Sax and Grey seem to have a tiny bit less low end 200hz and down, but that vocal band and those mid highs are tight and clear loud. Grundman sounds almost 2-3db quiter almost like he didn't go for the gold or something. BUT this is based on youtubes compressing the shit outta things and what not. My ears aren't super old either I'm sure in 5-10 years my opinion won't change, but as for now I am going to go out looking for that Canadian pressing for sure.
@EvanVincent.7 жыл бұрын
another amazing video! I think I prefer Wally. Not sure why. it had a lowmid range that is really pleasing to me. I also enjoy the Kevin Gray mix as a close second. I'm really disappointed with the mofi and grundman mixes, which feels sacrilegious to even say. It's like a shootout for who's mix is more lifeless. Thanks for doing this. I need to go see which version I have.
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Happy to do this one since I have seen so much banter over the net on which is the best. It's not definitive by any means but I wanted folks to hear comparisons of what I had. Ultimately it's up to a given listeners preferences. I too was a bit disappointed in the Mofi on this one. My experience with the 80's Mofi's was that they can be hit or miss. On the Grundman, while I personally didn't think it was that bad, I can't fault him too much for the final output. Plante & Gutherie did their mastering back in 2011. I am betting EMI gave him a high res transfer of their master and asked to have it pressed to wax.
@limaniner342 жыл бұрын
I honestly prefer the Canadian version over the Wally. Top 3 would be: 1. Canadian 2. Wally 3. Kevin Gray
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Great choices limanier34. There is no right or wrong here and many people have commented that they prefer the Canadian pressing over everything else.
@alvaroantoniocarbone78387 жыл бұрын
Hello, Listening through youtube, you can not tell big differences, but you could see that the Canadian look sounded better than all of them. And I chose the Japanese version. Congratulations!
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alvaro for putting in your thoughts. I felt the Canadian version was definitely louder than the others and sometimes that's not necessarily a bad thing.
@edwardbarr15337 жыл бұрын
A wonderful video,to my ageing ears ,the Sax and Gray version has the edge over all ,I am alittle surprised to report the one that finds least favour is the mobile fidelity one,could it be something to do with the mastering electronics?back in the late seventies a Dutch friend of mine who was at Philips said that it wasn't the half speed mastering that was selling the records but the quality of the JVC pressings I think he may well be right Again an excellent video I look forward to the next Thankyou Ted Barr
@BarakaPDub7 жыл бұрын
The JVC pressings are stellar and they are usually dead quiet. When I started these projects, I always thought the Mofi would be at the top of the list because the brand built up this kind of mystique. I still think they have some great sounding records and the early ones have a sonic signature that I think is unique to Stan Ricker. Thanks for chiming in Edward!