Precisely. Kids were often loved, but necessary as well

Why would you believe that it is any different now? Shortage of Labor is a real thing and the young people who take care of the old are also still needed.

​@qasimahmed3301 I agree, but thankfully, The stakes aren't nearly as high as they were back then. Where the alternative was to downright starve.

More children in royal families came with a risk of civil war. More children in poor families also provided more hands in the farming field.

​@@belsempai2671 I think its somewhere in between a good thing and a bad thing because having more children in the Royal Family means you have spare heirs just in case your eldest heir dies while at the same seeding a possibility of a Civil War and Power struggles between the many children of a ruling monarch.

Well, that and their husbands as well, though it varies. Some Targaryens had less kids than others, for various reasons

He never said she was the only one

It's not Targaryen specific. It's the norm to try to have many children. That's why Catelyn has 5, Kevan has 4, Quellon Greyjoy had 9 and Walder Frey has too many to count.

Nobody said she was the only one and no, not every single Targaryens woman did that. In fact, she is heir and her father became heir, because not every Targaryen woman did that.

Jaeharys Targaryen never allowed dragons to all . he's controlled on it

Well she got em pumping in 💀

Yeah, that's how that works.

@@TheStraightestWhitestno, you birth them.

@@adaezez8378 And the process of doing that is pumping them out.

​@@TheStraightestWhitest🤯

The high towers/redwine, the west and stormlands combined with vhagar, sunfyre and dreamfyre are very formidable opposition. She really only had dragons on her side and most of them were not fighting size the rest of her assets were only either marginally better or weaker than aegon's/aemond's forces. But I agree she wasn't an excellent leader but her position isn't easy either.

No it started when Aemond killed Luke. He was an envoy on a diplomatic mission, there was no reason to kill him since they weren't at war. Him killing Luke was the act of agression that escalated the war. He was a dang idiot up think the Blacks wouldn't respond in kind.

The Greens had 4 dragons, not 3: Vhagar, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre and Prince Daeron's Tessarion. Also everyone knew war was happening once Luke was killed. You could say ppl like Rhaenyra's bastards and Helaena didn't quite understand war but the only ones who TRULY didn't know they were at war at the start were Helaena's 3 kids and Rhaenyra's sons by Daemon

@@browniebear forgot about tessarion. I was speaking about the smallfolk and people outside of KL. I doubt everyone heard the news about Luc quickly, especially if the greens tried to suppress it. Suddenly, Rhaenyra kills one of the beloved Queen’s children without any cause (from their perspective). That’s why they called her Rhaenyra the Cruel and the former “Realm’s Delight” struggled so much to hold onto KL

@@Kaboomboo Exactly, however, she could've used that moment to demand justice from Aegon by using the fact that Lucerys was a diplomat and was killed without provocation by his own uncle which would force Aegon and the Greens against the wall since they could have Aemond killed but they would lose their best fighter and dragon or keep him alive but have the reputation of protecting a kinslayer who murdered his own nephew in cold blood, turning the public to Rhaenerya's side by sympathy. However, by killing Jaehareys, a child with nothing to do with the death of Lucerys, in front of his mother and younger siblings they kill any sympathy they could've made.

And the treacherous greens stole all the crowns gold Which didn’t help at all.

The major factor that led to her losing the control of King's Landing is Larys Strong

Yeah but since she’s a Targaryen it’s also to have more dragon riders on her side. Cause she knew people were never going to accept her as queen.

@@kingkongchief1177 okay? If she were a normal lord, she’d want sons to become knights and generals in her armies. Children who can be married off to secure military alliances. Dragon riding doesn’t obscure all that

@@thedemonhater7748 what's your point, because it's common it isn't horrible ?

She was supposed to have valareon - Targaryen blooded children not basturds from house strong

@@dilshadvk7262yes and they tried. Laenor couldn’t get it up or was Infertile.

Because she is the main character of this show. It’s natural to focus on main characters.

Yeah, I always thought it was bizarre and maybe unnecessarily risky to have that many kids. But considering so many of their children died, even before becoming adults, maybe it was good they did.

​@@anjelica948and they still faced a succession crises

@@snowyowl235 Well that’a not surprising since if I remember correctly, they only had two sons, Aemon and Baelon (Viserys and Daemon’s father), and they both died in their late teens/early twenties. One of their daughters, Saera, was still alive and had several children of her own, but because she was a courtesan in Lys, she was basically disinherited. And I’m trying to remember if any of their other children were eligible/alive, but I can’t recall.

@@anjelica948 Only other alive was a Maester iirc

Moon tea👀

Moon tea, aka the morning after pill 😂

There was contraception,and many used it secretly.

Yes but that was probably a poison that sometimes worked or sometimes didn't and probably put the woman's life at risk if taking too much. Much less guaranteed than nowadays. There were similar things in the middle ages too but no guarantee that it would work 100%

Stillbirth but yes.

And her daughter would have brought on a golden age of dragons. For she like her mother was blood of the dragon and a dragon hatcher. That's why it was such a loss. Every Targ is a dragon but not every Targ is blood of the dragon.

Until another woman does something about it. I don't think it's coincidence.

yeah well she really did stockpile children.. way before Walder Frey made it cool

At once my Queen! Here's my two daughters and TWO dragon riders.

Well, she does have spares stacked up in her court

I think the description fits her considering how arrogantly she talked about other women who had to birth children.

@@belsempai2671 fr

Having bastard children isn't a part of that duty. In fact that's treason. Rhaenyra stabbed herself in the foot so many times that Blackcels twist themselves into pretzels for her.

What about having children just for the dole purpose of having more dragons and trying to take over the crown and rule the world?

@@stephenjenkins7971having children is though and being married to a gay man who is possibly infertile doesn’t make it easy, she had to find a way somehow and she did, doesn’t matter because none of those sons sit the iron throne.

@@warhammer101 And how exactly did she get into a situation of marrying a gay dude? By failing to choose a husband when she was given the option; something most MEN of noble birth don't even have the choice of having. More to the point, Rhaenyra and Laenor barely tried. Jacaerys had to have been conceived within that time period since he was born very soon after the marriage, and Rhaenyra from the start talked with Laenor about having their own lovers on the side. Nothing about their duty. Hell, Rhaenyra tried to run away with Daemon in the MIDDLE OF THE WEDDING. Spare me about how hard she has it. She had every opportunity and squandered it.

@@stephenjenkins7971 LMFAOOO. Your comments just shows you lack an understanding of her situation. Her having a “choice” is an illusion, you think if she decided to marry some commoner, they all would’ve just accepted it? No, she still had to marry someone of noble birth, with a powerful name and someone with the resources to back her claim, oh and also be within the same age range. So spare me the sob stories of men who don’t get the choice, because at the end of the day, neither did she. It’s genuinely astonishing how you people make Rhaenyra the bad guy for wanting a love match, like be serious💀 And we are told that they DID try to conceive a child together, it just didn’t happen, whether it’s a handful or a hundred times, if laenor is infertile, and lacks the ability to give Rhaenyra kids, it does not matter how many times they fuck, it wasn’t going to happen. Simply because they BOTH agreed in allowing each other see other people does not mean they wouldn’t take their roles seriously because clearly this woman and this man are willing to TRY and conceive a child together, despite not being attracted to each other and one being gay. And if you’re as dense to the point you’d believe Rhaenyra when she said she was willingly to run away with daemon if he just decided to take her, then surely you can also believe her when she tells daemon that her and laenor did try to have a child.

Try pushing out one where a single cramp is dying worthy then tell me 6 are not many

​@@Dreamfyredepends. After the 1st, the rest become progressively easier. Not saying many things will not go wrong and there is no health complications, but it does get easier with "practice"

@@diegoperez-dq7qe There are some women who have easy pregnancies and deliveries. However, pregnancy in general is a difficult and challenging experience. Each delivery is a risk of death for either the child or the mother. There are many women who have complicated ones. The fact that women get used to the experience with each time doesn’t make it easier especially for women in history when there were no epidurals. That’s why so many women died during child birth throughout the past and it created so many health issues for them. Some women even wrote their wills before giving birth in case they die during it.

@@Dreamfyre yeah, of course there are complications, as you said and i said too in my comment, but if we talk abt the pain from cramps and the like, it does get "easier". Not taking away anything from your comment, but i was simply stating that there is a reduction in relative pain overall

@@diegoperez-dq7qe Yes, I get you point no worries. Yeah you can say it gets easier in a way meaning women get used to it and know what to expect cause they’ve been through it. But the pain and cramps are more or less the same cause delivery is a delivery. Of course they can vary between pregnancies, one can be a nightmare the other very easy but I’m speaking generally.

She didn’t want to marry because she feared it was a way to threaten her position as heir herself in place for a son she birthed and also because she was mourning the loss of her mother as well as her relationship with her father as a result of him becoming so heartbroken with his first wife’s death. And she was a young child in the first bit of the season and then she was angry at the fact she was not being treated as any other heir aka men and wanted to focus on that instead of just having children. But after she got married/when she and Laneor agreed to marry and do their duties to secure their positions, she loved being a mother and she did adore and love Harwin in a way that she had to keep hidden or else it would be found out publicly he was the boys father. And she becomes more feminine as the time skip happens, though she does differ from the books in that she doesn’t lavish herself in jewels but dresses very beautifully and different from the other women of the show, little darker and her dresses have more details in them but not overstating. They talk about her growth into more feminine and motherly roles while still being heir/queen in the behind the scenes and how close she really is to her first husband and how she loves being a mother. Her children’s death is what really sends her into her depression and then madness along with everything else to come.

The books aren’t historically accurate

It's because they needed to appeal to the modern "YAAAS QUEEN AS YOU SHOULD" brain dead audience

@@timothylou2396 Lol this story is not historical. Its fantasy

​@@-_YouMayFind_- HA! I was just going to put that in my comment. You beat me too it.😂

The seed was *Strong.*

​@@TheStraightestWhitest*literally*

It was that blood of the Old Gods😂😂😂

the fact that she made those children for dragons i think

@@unknown9zz0she had children to have children, them bonding with dragons was never a done deal.

@@loganmorrison3731 She had children for her political advantage; using them as chess pieces. Mind you, that's nothing new; but people coping about it are hilarious. Just accept that she's a POS lord that stomps on the poor and uses family as tools and move on.

If it sounds like Andrew Tate could have said it in a podcast, it’s a major MEH for me 😂

But you need children first to control those dragons

To add to that, none of Alicent’s childrens’ eggs hatched. They claimed their dragons and Aemond actually stole his

@@heynotizzy7493 you cant "steal" a dragon a dragon chooses its rider blame vhagar for choosing aemond ig, and none of alicents children were said to have been given dragon eggs, literally none of them. You cant hatch an egg if you dont have an egg. The reason rhaes strong boys have eggs is because she got a royal decree to try and stop the rumors of them being bastards.

​​@@heynotizzy7493did Aegon the Conqueror's egg hatch? Did Visenya hatch Vhagar? Does that mean they aren't real Targaryens? Dragons aren't toys to be stolen btw

​@@irenevlerea1842no, the strong boys got eggs from their mother's dragon syrax which hatched, the royal decree has no effect on dragon eggs hatching in the crib😂

@@fadumomohammed2251 obviously, im just explaining that the strong boys GOT eggs and aegon, helaena aemond and daeron didn't

just because she loves them doesn't mean she is not willing to use them as weapon, love and manipulation is not mutually exclusive.

⁠@@wei270 but she wasn’t, like that is one criticism many people have of her, she wasn’t willing to send her children into battle, she wasn’t willing to send jace to help rhaenys at Rooks Rest even tho he was capable of doing so, she wasn’t willing to send jace to help fight against the triarchy (he still went himself), she never let Joffrey do anything despite him wanting to do something against the mob at kingslanding (he was obviously a kid but you get my point)…

@@warhammer101 so her pumping out children is just a consequence of her being a slut?

​@@warhammer101right? She sent her boys as MENSSAGERS. If she wanted them to go down burning anyone who didn't attend she wouldn't have to make them swear over the "bible" (what's the book of the faith again?). She really didn't want them to be her soldiers.

Nah she wants powerful soldiers to fight for her, that is literally the whole point of the story same with Alicent

Rhaenyra aegon and baela had dragons hatching for themselves

@@nry_637 Syrax did not hatch for Rhaenyra, though the princess was the she-dragon’s only known rider. Same goes for Aegon II and Sunfyre, and for Baela and Moondancer. Rhaena is the twin whose dragon -Morning- hatched.

She needed soldiers and that’s what she created

Alyssa Targaryen, Daemon and Viserys's mother would've done the same had she not died from pregnancy issues during her third pregnancy

Yup it’s literally what the writer of the show said lol she felt alone for the 10 years daemon was gone and she was being bullied by Alicent so she made her own clan she can be happy with.

@@Caraxes_RoguePrince she won’t be happy, she will get turned into a empty shell

@@tommysoliz3064 she wasn’t happy in KL and that’s the reason she had kids lol and obviously she can’t be happy currently because her brother stole her crown and killed her son so now she has to go to war lol my point is she didn’t have a lot of kids with war in mind…

Well since none of her bastards children, even herself will sitting on the iron throne but her sons with daemon, so this problem is already settled.

​@@ekaterina472 True, in hindsight they were all dealt with, but still, her plan was still ridiculous

Don't do it its a trap! I "pumped" out 3 of my own and didn't get 1 fucking dragon!!!

Nah they’re weapons created for a reason

@@tommysoliz3064except they weren’t. Bonding with a dragon wasn’t a done deal. She had children to have children, them bonding is just an extra.

@@loganmorrison3731 weapons

If that makes you smart Aegon must be a genius

Rewatch ep 10

She had a stillborn daughter with Daemon

the theme of having 3s in relate to the targaryens & dragons is actually a very common theme, it shows up a lot. there were 3 conquerors (Aegon I & his 2 sister-wives, Visenya & Rhaeys), the Targaryen sigil has 3 dragon heads (which was in reference to Aegon, Visenya, & Rhaeys), Maegor I had 6 wives, 3 of which were known as the "Black Brides", he also had 3 stillborn children. Queen Rhaena compared herself to Visenya & her sister Alysanne to Rhaeys, with the implication that Jaehaerys was Aegon. Queen Rhaena had 3 dragon eggs stolen from her. Dany was a "Child of 3" with her having her 2 brothers, she got 3 dragon eggs (probably the same 3 stolen from Rhaena), 3 dragons, etc. this is a common theme

Neetles tamed her dragon "the old way", by giving sheeps to it, just like the old valryians did it.