generally speaking, police in latin america aren't well known for their competence

@@avelynn5976 seems like it's a worldwide phenomenon lol

It was a stupid decision. But we cannot blame them FULLY because the officers were also fighting against the media at the time. It seems like the news reporters were being the "neutral" side in this case by "reporting" whatever they could about Eloa's hostage situation. But if you look at it closely, it was a one-sided battle between the police and killer + media. Eloa's family and her friend's family should sue not just the officers who made those rash decisions, but also the news reporters who got themselves involved without any permission and the lack of critical understanding of the situation at that time, which leads to the eventual death of one of the hostage and a serious injury on the other, also a traumatizing experience for the other guy taken hostage but was released. The media was the trigger to Eloa's death. RIP to an innocent lady.

@@DarchrowTheEnigma Jeez spoilers.

​@@DarchrowTheEnigmathe police should have been working along side with the media, told them to spread false information through tv and in exchange maybe the police would allow the media to follow the case fully, like when there would be a "violent" approach the media could record it to spice the news and in doing so, spike up their viewers who enjoy "violence" or something like that

Most Brazilian women have their first child at 15/16. They arnt having them with men their age, either, because the average age gap in Brazil is 8 years. This isnt just "accepted" there. Its common, and preferred by the women. She also slept with him the first day they met.

​@@GeneralofVinceArmyok pedo enabler

​@@spoons250that's pretty much victim blaming, all u said lol

I mean, 19 and 12 is nowhere near as bad as the grooming going on in the American public school system with all the gender nonsense lol. But yes, all grooming is vile and disgusting, including this case

sick. grown men dating children is sick and should never be normalized simply because it exists

Indeed…

Seriously!

Say every bullshit to twist the story to gain more exposure. What a fuck up goal

Pedophile? Do you even know what the word means?

What was up with this weird ass narrative the news kept trying to spin? "He is treating you well" "You two will make up over pizza". Why the hell were they so dead set on making him seem like he wasn't such a bad guy when there is clearly a stacked deck saying other wise?

Yall are dumb as hell over there 😂

@@eh2396Not everyone is fortunate.

Good, atleast hopefully in the sense that nothing like this ever happens again.

Nothing's changed in the media, it's just as bad now if not worse.

the fact that it was 2008 and the brazilian media still don't know what not to do is ridiculous to me. this is basic common sense. no wonder the country is just so unpolished.

Seven years gap. Not a huge difference. And it’s normal in Brazil very young girls dating

@@ThePatynightwtf

​@@ThePatynight YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR EFFING MIND. WTF!!!

​​@@ThePatynightIt may be common to happen, but its not *normal*, and i live in brazil to say that. It does happen often, but yet a problem and disgusting. Young girls should date young boys if they want to date someone, and that's yes normal now. Cannot say it's not common to have creepy +18 man after kids who are still at school, but do not talk about it like it's something acceptable.

@@ThePatynight it’s not a HUGE difference if you are both adults, but 12 and 19??? Someone who isn’t even a teenager yet, and someone out of school who can get a job?

There was one time they aired a operation on a favela on live following the cops, so yeah, sensationalism was crazy

@@osvaldojunior8641 I remember that, was it the raid after the murder of Tim Lopes right? The news showing the cops going up to the favela and then showing the gangs running from the other side looked like a comedy sketch rather than a serious police procedure.

FOR REAL. Watching it actually pissed me off like how can people be so fckin heartless

The insanity of this makes it look like a Black Mirror episode.

Fucking irl version of "Nobody knows when the attacks going to happen, everyone though, says tomorrow!"

may he not have a peaceful moment ever again

She's just the worst ngl

"perfect job" covering the situation of a dead girl. imagine being this much of a degenerate fucking narcissist as a Brazilian, not proud of this piece of information. neve knew about this

Yeah, she's going to hell.

What The Fuck . I hate this person so much. The level of delusion is insane.

Name of the character in your pfp?

​@@stubborn-red-head Neo

It's a pattern. Alot of the victims in the toxic relationship always gets called the bad one. That can't be a coincidence

As well as the negotiaters tf were they thinking sending her back in there by herself

This new media outlets are all about the ratings, you could tell psychopaths are gloating on people's suffering just to serve their interest.

Yep surely there’s a law in brazil to not interfere with police investigation/negotiation

@@Tanner404yeah, I completely agree with you but if the press didn’t leak police information the negotiators probably wouldn’t have resorted to that. It’s still absolutely fucked up what the police and negotiators did, though.

Never heard of this case before, but this reminds me of similar hostage situations and press fckups in Germany/Europe, where journalists blocked (and still block) the police or first responders to create a worse outcome on purpose, more than once. European journalists are known for this aggressive behaviour, especially when they work for a megaconglomerate and want to climb up their corporate money ladder. It's sad that it also affects other parts of the world. I myself see freedom of press as a double edged sword. Commercial sensationalism only creates chaos and destruction, but proper investigative journalism can resolve chaos. But It's mostly the sensationalism that happens, more and more panic clickbait, politically biased media, half thruths etc. creating disturbances withing society. The press media loves to add fuel to the fire. They do this on purpose, because more chaos equals to more bad stuff happening, resulting more panic sensationalism, rinse and repeat. Especially European news media is so disconnected from reality, as if they journalists live in parallel clown dimension, they even developed their own set of buzzwords and neologism, even their own political ideologies nobody else uses to confuse people lol. I'm very critical about commercial press media and do not trust them at all. My family is from the eastern bloc and my in-laws in far east Siberia, where press media was/is restricted, so i know both systems. Both have their pro's and con's. Sometimes press restrictions can prevent chaos from happening.

You have to understand the time and culture... It was in a low education "district", almost all of them jumping were naive little kids who didn't understood the seriousness of the situation nor have seen reporters around. It was by ignorance, not coldness

That's just how humans are.. mob mentality hive mind behavior is prevalent no matter where you are

See January 6.

@@pipermccool See about having a heart ho

It's fine. There's 8 billion humans on Earth.

Name of the character in your pfp?

@@stubborn-red-head I drew it. It’s me

I think I lost a piece of my innocence.

Yeah that part specifically was so infuriating to me. That man is a pig.

"I see a marriage in their future. With the boy and his passionate girlfriend." He clearly knows humans. People like him shouldn't be allowed to have a voice, I'd say.

@@FirstFamilyCharger the lawyers get paid to do their job they dont like these people either

its his job reta*d

​@@jocm99 xenophobic asf

not sure if i heard this correctly, but the way that interviewer suggested shortening his sentence to a year despite the crimes he committed and tried to justify it by saying he doesn't have a criminal record. its so shameless, they treated the entire thing like it was a show for entertainment

you okay ?

​@@originalSiiiNthey are right tho

@@kushinaa1XD who is right?

The person you first replied to

Lmfaooo

They’ll earn my respect when they act like fucking adults!

she's still working right? i googled her name and saw her instagram profile.

@@endor8witch yes. sadly Case Eloá was 15 years ago, it already left popular memory here in Brazil, she is very hated in general, but also still popular, your typical controversial "journalist".

@@blackwaltz463Reminds me of someone named Nancy Grace here in the US…

​@@MSW96 yeah, they're the same style of sensationalist who always double down even when they're in the wrong.

I remember when all that happened when I used live in Brazil. I was around the same age as Eloá. It’s WILD that annoying a$$ professional yapper, Sônia Abrão, is still able to have a career and a whole tv show after this tragedy took place. Brazilian media ain’t serious, man.

some people just have no humanity in them, those people from the press have a nice spot in hell waiting for them

It's so true, like, now I understand why people Truly dislike reporters because of them cause the entire situation to get worse

i feel like the media played a big role in the inaction of the police. their plans kept getting televised and they couldnt really do much cause lindemberg wouldve been one step ahead

@@ville__ I don't see any videos on your channel, so ... nope.

​@@jettoscrandaits a bot

Yes

@@kamiiiiiiiiiiiii sad to know.

They won’t be though. Because only innocent people get punished in this world.

They should get boycotted

I was searching if the idiots that had the "brilliant" idea of that interview did face consecuenses for what they did,and there was nothing,and now i read they are still on tv? They should face some,at least to NOT APPEAR in television,but they are still working???

Holly shit!

only 30 years and his accomplice only has 12. omg bruh

Oh my God! Unbelievable!

omg no! so sorry you had to been through this horrible case my latin brothers and sisters, we're so fkin unlucky. lets hope the future holds something better for us kind regards from brazil ❤🇧🇷

god i remember that case. my friend is romanian (well, moldovan, but half-romanian and has family in romania) and heard the news and told me about it. it was horrifying

no offense tho...this took place in 2008. it is already a time when news media around the world are polished enough to know what NOT to do. the fact that in brazil this was how it was handled spoke volume about the country and the general consensus of the moral and intelligence level there.

@@endor8witch except there are similar stories from other countries

@@endor8witch do you think Brazil is the only country in the world that would have done it like that in 2008? the journalists who did this stuff where used to talking about celebrities getting seeing with hookers or who slept with who last night in Big Brother Brazil, its literally gossip level stupid people that decided to jump in a story of a lifetime for a journalist. This is not different from the paparazzies that killed Lady Diana, or some of the stuff channels like TMZ still pull on this day.

​​@@endor8witch "no offense tho" then proceeds to offend the whole country because of some stupid people, in multiple comments on top of that. It's like seeing videos of north american cops being stupid/unprepared(which is something that happens everyday not just 2008) then calling the whole country stupid. No offense but that's pretty stupid, no offense tho.

There was a hostage case in America that was similar it was a school shooting turned seige the police told him he hadn't killed anyone he got a hold of the TV and the news leaked the death of one person he shot. If I recall he was ready to surrender till that came out he also sent hostages out to collect and return food they came back but if I remember he did threaten to kill all of them if one left that made them feel like they would be responsible so they would return.

39 years is not a light sentence but okay

There's an "influencer police officer/deputy" here who arrived late to a kidnapping incident. When he arrived, everything had already been resolved, but as he had not filmed it, he returned the hostage to captivity along with the kidnapped one, and then staged the capture

Welcome to this shit stained hellhole we call brazil I hope i get to leave this place soon, and tell everyone who told me to do otherwise to fuck off

​@@sicthemuttit is if there's no real punishment.

Not police media

to be fair: the police couldnt do much because of the media for the larget part

It was all they could’ve done

I would cut the police a little slack due to how much the non stop media coverage and meddling really undercut a lot of what they were trying to do but overall yes the police and media failed in this situation and it ended up costing a young person her life

Just like what happened in manila 2010

It’s insane

It's Brazil, what did you expect? Death is like fast food to them. Cheap, quick and so standard it's not worth crying over.

They’re bad enough, but then look at the crowds of people outside acting like it’s a party…

Every couple like this that I went to school with had full support from the pedo enabling parents.

yeah 😞 tbh not a fan of the choice of wording used in the segment about the two's "relationship". she was just a little girl and he was taking advantage of her

​@@reiy8401exactly

Cope 😂

​@@Ilovetrollinnigga thought everything is a game

30 years was the maximun sentence possible at the time, now it rose to 40.

And her father was also a wanted criminal

Welcome to Brazil.

This is a problem with the Brazilian justice system here in general. Why do you think crime is such a problem here? Because, at most, you'll get some 30 years in jail, as it's the maximum legal sentence. Until we have a system that guarantees you'll lose your life over ANY crime, even more for shit like this, crime WILL be a massive problem here.

how is 30 years a bad sentencing?

it has every bit to do with the culture. people don't wanna say it but a nation's culture speaks volume about how things are accepted by the nation.

They where trying to keep him calm because they knew he was watching. You can see how it affected him to know what would be the sentences he would receive. Its was an attempt to persuade him to end it peacefully without hurting anyone.

@@endor8witch fuck off, they put the guy on trial and he got the harshest sentence possible with Brazilian law, people didn't accept him, they where trying to keep him calm and control the situation.

@@blackwaltz463 And then the one person listed off all of the crimes he'd be put on trial for and the amount of prison time he'd get for them, screwing over that entire plan

@@damienearl8302 Inexperienced police + stupid sensationalist journalist is bound to make a tragedy. Just don't take this as some kind of statement about Brazil's culture as a whole, its very shortsighted and ignorant.

Not surprising. Has anyone bought the apartment?

@@armorpro573 a woman did years ago. But thanks to the press, she lost her job and got evicted from the apartment

@@rocktlee That's messed up. Punishing those who had no involvement.

@@rocktlee Damn, the press is still fucking people over even after the situation already ended, also due to them fucking someone over

South America in a nutshell my friend.

it's such a perfect example that it's a case study in universities here in Brazil. Sadly a innocent girl had to die to just some people understand that the press should not interfere in police operations. Descanse em paz Eloá 💔

Everyone knew that except the morons reporting or rather feeding him information about what the cops were planning. They knew what they were doing and didn't care as long as it got them the ratings .

This is evil no one can escape God judgment of condemnation if they don't repent of their sins no matter what sin Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Romans 6.23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

Sorry I’m advance for how this might be phrased, but in the states, Brazil is occasionally framed as having a somewhat disorganized response to crime. I know two people who moved here from Brazil, who don’t know each other, and both have cited that their families moved because of the crime and danger of their living situations. But, as someone who currently lives there, would you say this is an outlier situation? As in this case with Eloá is not reflective of the overall police response? Or would you say that it represents the overall state of policing? I only ask because I feel media portrays all foreign countries unfairly, for example, when Europeans think coming to the US means you’ll get shot.

Maybe we could be in a better situation if USA didn't organize coup d'etats in Brazil and in the rest of Americas, treating us like shit with yours "big stick".

I don't think it's an outlier. I'm Brazilian as well. Things are crazy here. Lol police incompetence is worldwide but I feel like latin America takes the cake

​@@Apopcyp I'd say it's somewhat common. News reports can be very sensationalist (Record TV and Band TV are two examples), police response can take a while and sometimes they might not help at all. I lived in Sao Paulo as well and my house has been robbed 3 times, we never managed to recover anything from any of those robberies (not to mention all the times my family members were robbed on the streets). There's too much crime for too little cops, if you live in the slums in Rio de Janeiro the reality is as bad as the media says, if not worse.

@@Apopcyp Not just in the states. Here in Europe we think/know the same. Even my Brazilian friends think Brazil is a hell-hole.

Filipino try not to make everything about them challenge: failed

I thought that was a sloppy move by her. Her secret serial murder dad probably didn’t give her the best survival skills though.

what is wrong with you. Like genuinely.. To act like this towards a 15 year old who was murdered by a pedophile is vile. Please seek therapy.@@hamza7518

@@hamza7518came to the comments to find this. I don’t think it’s courage but stupidity. Why engage the perp ? Play along and survive. Latinas are built different lol

Wow.

@@hamza7518well it’s not a strategy game I doubt she’s planning her next moves 🤨

It's Brazilian culture...

Only ones that can be forgiven are the police and negotiators because literally every plan they had was being killed by the news announcing it, the fact that they let people announce it in the first place after the first time and not finding a way to kick them out still makes them accountable though, just less

They think it’s entertaining. Like people watching this vid

@@Enrommie False equivalency. Should any information on this subject, or other subjects like it, just not be written about or talked about because now we’re making it “entertainment” in the same vain as the news anchors who were involving themselves into the situation as it occurred? The two are not even close to being the same bro. Given different approaches to their involvement and reporting, the news anchor wouldn’t even have been the bad guys for broadcasting the situation. No one is saying that them doing that is bad, it’s how they went about it. The way Nick delved into the topic was fine and didn’t sensationalize it in any way, all he did was explain what had happened. The entire premise of the video is to highlight a dark moment in media history, as is the common theme for his entire channel, so obviously people who are interested in those types of things will watch this because that’s the stuff that piques their interest. I find that to be hardly comparable to outright exploiting a hostage situation in real time for artificial “entertainment” and TV ratings, especially since this event is now years in the past and not something that is still urgent and dire. I saw your other comment on here basically saying the same thing, that Nick and the viewers are acting like the new anchors lol, and I already just explained why that statement is a braindead take. I can only assume you’re just trying to be some edgy doomerist without actually putting some thought into how to spin it on us in a convincing, logical way.

​@@SunzoviaPerfectly said, I don't know if this is true for other people, but I enjoy Nick's videos, not because of Nick himself or even because of the "visual" aspect of it (it would be great with or without it), but because this made me genuinely curious on a case I had never heard of, explained it with plenty of detail without trying to be overly dramatic, and, at the end, left me with knowledge I previously would never had known. That, in its essence, is what good "true crime" is, and I applaud Nick for it. He didn't try to be entertaining, he tried to be informative.

This is Brazil, where the atmosphere of idgaf is the norm

Nobody cares

@@Gordonfreeman551 that was basically his point lol

@@Gordonfreeman551 After seeing a large portion of the comments here, I think that's almost exclusively a you thing

Corporations and their stooges doing anything they can to boost numbers regardless of how it affects the people around them, yet the second you do anything more then peacefully protest they arrest you, it’s fucked

She was just 15 years old.

The media is more at fault here than the police really

the police for any country just sucks They’re all incompetent douchebags that think they’re above their own laws. This is just one of many examples of them contributing to innocent people’s deaths

​@@videogamefanaticlordkh7526nah the police were fucking stupid too, why the fuck would they reveal their plans to the press, and hand back the other girl so freely They were just as incompetent and unprofessional as the media

The police were actually fairly competent getting half of them out without much issue it was only after the press got involved that everything went wrong

its so crazy, they could have offered cops to come in as meat shield (since it was the reason for him to want the girl back) but no instead they brought back an obviously traumatized teenager who is NOT trained to handle this

If a television station did this shit in America the whole station would be burned down and the police was going to be charged!!!

wtaf Brazil??? just how?

I had to rewind the video. WHO came up with such a thing. If it was a movie I would walk out of the theatres for how poorly written it is!

Ok I'm seeing a lot of non Brazilians questioning this, she begged then to re-enter the home to help her friend and not a justification, the decision to let her in was dumb, but a explanation

@@arte4391thank you for explaining that but…a 15 year old girl…no backup or cover whatsoever…that is pure stupidity regardless

God loves us all I pray she is in a better place 🙏🤍✝️🕊️

@@arte4391brazil moment

I heard it from Lazy Masquerade. Just dumbfounding

this was my first thought too.

Yeah, that is a very unusual case in that regard, of the famous brazillian police cases that is the only known by the victmin's name

Very true. I absolutely hate true crime for that exact reason. I don't understand why it's so easy for people to become desensitised to things like this. Like do people not understand that other people have whole entire lives, hopes and dreams? Their pain is not entertainment and the perpetrators are not quirky little case studies.

This is common in Brazil because criminal cases are named after the victims, not the perpetrators. This case, for example, is called Eloá case.

@@picoparadox461 Some cases are, but most are named after the criminals. For example, the "Maníaco do Parque" case

It’s sick how KZfaqrs make ad money off of victims misfortunes. The true crime popularity is really terrible.

As a non Brazilian thank you for clarifying...that makes it so much better.....

Ahhh that makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation

Thank you for that explanation.

That's a good explanation, thank you.

Exactly, he said that

The parents? How could they allow it?

​@@Azulakayes thats what I'm thinking. they could have gotten the cops involved or taken matters into their own hands if they didn't do anything. i cannot imagine just letting it happen as if i were completely helpless.

@@avelynn5976they probably didn’t do anything with the cops because her father was a wanted man

@@Casterisks So? That's his problem, he shouldn't have made himself Wanted. Save the bloody child.

I blame the her parents and that pedo

Can I ask how this saying came to be? Why pizza?

​​​​@@meanpersona4686I mean... It's not far fetched if you see it with a logical bias: here, as with everywhere else if you really think about it, pizza is often used as a social occasion or celebration that warrants this meal, so it's a sarcastic, kind of, saying here in Brazil!

Sorry for my bad English btw. Hopefully I was able to clear that up for everyone. :)

Im glad to see that he covers cases that havent been covered a million times in english before. This was very exciting to watch and Im so sorry to all of brazil for having to be a witness. Also what a wierd saying :) but thank you for clearing it up

@@En7my Oh, ok! Thank you for the explanation!

I totally agree... Not only her, but many journalist at that time are still working on brazilian TV and should be fired for good. That was savage and inhumane.

Chamar de abutre seria ofender o pobre do pássaro

I'm curious as a brazilian(you), do you find the country is really really stupid for this? because this is literally unfathomable in america. I just hope the people of brazil aren't as dumb as the reporters n police..cuz thats insane level of BAD. I didn't know these types of pros could handle such a thing in the worst, dumbest manner possible. Hope brazilians knew how dumb this was and not the way

This is evil no one can escape God judgment of condemnation if they don't repent of their sins no matter what sin Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Romans 6.23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

Ela é um verme, é triste que ela ou o programa não tenham sido punidos.

I wish actions were taken against them.

some people just have no humanity in them

reminds me of the bus that was on a hostage situation and the fucking reporters asking hostages how did the feel, while the hostage had a gun to their head.

​@@1y3911A couple of comments say the opposite! Some of the media people got shows and money after what happened...

​@@silvsevie "The Manila hostage crisis?"

As per the agreement, they had to turn the power back on or he wouldn't release anyone, and I think if they tried to pull that again, he would've killed Eloa even sooner

also lindenberg is a pedo…

Glad someone else is pointing out the iffy wording, I thought it was just a me issue

I don't think that's victim blaming, because it's basically what happened. It was a reaction, A bad reaction, but it's still what he felt after the event, morally justified or not. I don't see how that statement is justifying any actions, it's simply stating that the action of breaking up caused him to break his heart, which is literally just a verb phrase. Is it a reaction, its how he reacted, because that is a fact and not an opinion. That is how he reacted. If you're trying to say that heart broken is a understatement, I still don't know how that is pseudo-justification

And if you're saying that the creator is hinting that she indirectly caused it, that is really up to debate. it's probably not known if she was directly, indirectly, or not at all the reason for the kidnapping, even then, I doubt she would've known, you can cause something and not be at fault. She did break his heart, but that doesn't mean it's her fault for his actions.

If someone doesn't want to date you,guess what? There are thousands of others to date

Exactly this ☝️

yeah it was super weird how he worded it

Was coming here to say this. He wasn't a jilted ex. He was a predator and a monster who pulled an "If I can't have her, no one can"

It was also weird to hear "despite the age gap, they fell in love and dated for the next two+ years". That would be fine if both were well into their adult years, but she was TWELVE. They didn't "date". He preyed upon her. They didn't "fall in love". He wanted a vulnerable person to control, and she was too young to realise the situation she was in.

Yes, thank you! This absolutely disgusted me as well. It's something that I see extremely often when it comes to men murdering a victim they were "in a relationship with". As if 1. It's kind of understandable why the bastard did what he did and 2. As if the victim doesn't really matter. It's gross if it happens in a case where people are both adults, but it's even more baffling when it happens with a pedophile and the person he groomed. I usually think Nick words things well, but this was extremely weird and definitely a reason I'll think twice about watching next time he uploads

Did you smash tho

Must have been very traumatic

@@veronikabasholova9419 I saw this live as well, I was around her age so it was particularly difficult to watch. Oddly enough, I dont remember that there were so many screw-ups.

Ainda dá tanto ódio lembrar

Brazil is a shit show and this barely scratches the surface of its issues.

really? there are plenty more horrible moments

Te entendo irmao, ainda fico puto só de lembrar o quanto a midia AMOU se colocar de corajosa em "ajudar" no caso. Foi vergonhoso demais

eu tinha 2 anos na época, e n lembro nada, mas até hj tudo no brasil parece estar regredindo...

I'm from Brazil and hideously, that's sort of our "pattern" down here, the media, as well as the legal system, work both trying to play the "victim game" in order to justify why criminals do what they do, it's a shame! As a consequence, our streets are filled with crime everyday...

Love is love. No stories, no drama, no death. Get with it people.

Exactly. He wasn't heartbroken, his ego was bruised. Two completely different things.

I don’t think this comment is necessarily correct. Not all love is good and it can be possessive. Love is not a justifier but may be an explanation for terrible things.

@@svarogwolf That's not a healthy definition of love at all. What you're tallking about is infatuation or lust, which can become possessiveness and abuse. Love is when you put another person before yourself because you want the best for them, because you truly care about them as people and about their wellbeing, with or without you. Anything less is _not_ love.

@@angelamorpheus1904 Not all love is healthy

What else is new

Has anything changed since? What happened to the apartment?

@@armorpro573 I honestly have no idea. There are 215 million people in Brazil, like 15 million just in São Paulo. It’s not like I cross paths with that place every day, or ever, to be fair. And rest assured, the media won’t talk about this again except to “remember the tragedy of 10 years ago” on its anniversary. But my comment wasn’t about the apartment itself or the situation in this video. People need to change the way they think and deal with problems overall. I truly believe my country can prosper, but not with the mindset we have now.

@@lairesrellik Well unfortunately, humans have proven yet again to forget and repeat the mistakes of the past.

What’s the Nardoni case?

It's about Isabella Nardoni, a 8yo girl who was killed by her father and stepmother. She was thrown out the window of their apartment by her own dad. If you search "Isabella Nardoni" on Google you may find some articles about it in English.@@theonionqueen3519

@@theonionqueen3519 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_Nardoni_case

@@theonionqueen3519 Dad defenestrated 5yo child.

​@@ZGtxNot just that. She was choked to death and had broken wrists before the fall.

It’s normal in Brazil. Average age gap in Brazil is 8 years and most mothers have their first child at 15/16 with a man at least 6 years older than them. It’s preferred by the women there.

@@MandenTV For the love of god, Do Not say "Preferred".

​@@MandenTVfound the pedophile bro your everywhere defending pedophilia.

​@MandenTV Who cares if it's the norm? It's still gross. Something can be "normal" and bad at the same time. There's a lot of things that are very socially acceptable but shouldn't be.

@@chrissilva1034 lol bro, look it up. Plenty of 18+ women were surveyed in Brazil for almost a decade as part of a study and found that the overwhelming majority of mothers over the age of 18 preferred having their children young with men older than them. I’m not saying it’s not gross, because it is, I’m just laying it out there. Cultural relativism is wrong.

Her mother said she talked to her, gave her advice and didn't think it was cool for her to date early because she was a child, but she accepted imposing limits on the relationship because she believed that prohibiting her would not solve the problem. She does not exclude her share of the blame, but from what I understand from her report, she believed that even if she forbade her daughter, she would date him anyway. So she preferred them to date with her consent rather than secretly.

You blaming the parents is weird asf you as in all us don't know if she kept her relationship quiet....or just lied

@@worldofdaisy._ Would you rather let a grown man prey on your underage daughter just because she "consented"? Wtf is wrong with you?

@@liu.calazans Just call the police on his pedo ass

The world is a big place and have many different sides to life, and meanings of how it should be lived.. This kind of stuff, and worse happens more than we like to think

It's pretty sick and nasty.

Anything for the ratings, eh? I wonder if this is the standard journalists during Noli de Castro's time held themselves to, if they would have acted differently or if they'd have the sense to avoid certain actions that might escalate the situation into something worse

​@@digressingalice2764 Its ABS-CBN after all. Its no wonder why they got the ire of Duterte a lot. ABS-CBN in terms of ethics can veer away from anything that suits their end game. The best thing ABS-CBN has is the entertainment and the live news coverage for real time disasters like Typhoons. ABS-CBN basically just went out there and made everything from doable to so bad that if TV5 weren't now a shit hole of a channely anymore, I would've permanently shifted to TV5

Reminded me of this as well. Pride, ego, from so many people led to so much death. Incompetence from the people we should supposedly be trusting our lives with. So tragic, and so eye-opening.

This reminds me of another hostage case in brazil called the kidnapping of the 174 bus, where a man kidnnaped the bus and started saying that He would kill everyone in the bus, the Police tried to negociate with him, but with no success, in the end, one of the policeman tried to kill the man and actually killed a woman. This case is still very know because of the police irresponsability.

I Remember watching this live when i was a kid

Yes

Yeah, it's absolutely awful and selfish that the media did this and didn't get punished for it

I know reporters didn't get legal repercussions but do you happen to know if they got social repercussions?? did their actions in this case at least got them fired or outcasted?

​@@ratpacks9781no. the person who was the main culprit, Sonia Abrão, still has the same program in the same tv station where the whole Eloá fiasco was aired. and she even said she doesn't regret a single thing she did about this case.

​@@zhangtthewsickening

That’s so fucking crazy that 30 years is the max sentence. Thank you for your input! I’d love to know more of your thoughts on this matter.

​@@theonionqueen3519norway is 21 years, Portugal and Paraguay are 25 years. Most countries don't have a maximum. But the ones that do are usually around 30 to 40 years max. Some countries a little bit more than that.

30 years is pathetic, just a lack of common sense.

As a poor country Brazil has a really high crime static, which mean criminals and their families are a actual relevant voting base, that and corruption is all way up there so politicians need to protect themselves in case they get arrested at some point. So the laws for sentencing are very lax on purpose.

Cap

22 year old man* and saying she ‘broke his heart’ while thins is sick

It's apparently nornal in Brazil and some non western nations. So u are basically calling all of Brazilian's mentally ill lol.

Well that is normal and should be more normalized

@@Gordonfreeman551found the p*do

@@Gordonfreeman551wtf?? Weird as hell. Nothing normal about that.

He wasn't saying that that was true, just reading a script he made about the situation. What he said is what they said at the time-not what he believes. He was also probably trying to stay monetized.

He was showing the perpetrator's perspective which was a tasteless thing to do, but it's not his own opinion. Most likely an attempt to evade KZfaq's ridiculous censorship, albeit a poor one. Other than that he is very respectful in his coverage of this case, and I recommend you to give his channel another try. Lots of high quality content.

I think he was showing the perpetrator's perspective which was a tasteless thing to do, but it's not his own opinion. Most likely an attempt to evade censorship, albeit a poor one. Other than that he is very respectful in his coverage of this case, and I recommend you to give his channel another try. Lots of high quality content.

What year did this happen? I’m from the US but even I remember something’s from it

october 2008@@christianthompson7915

@@christianthompson7915 happened in 2008.

im better than Nick!

Same, I have vivid memories of seeing it everywhere on TV when I was a kid. Sad thing is that this isn't the only instance of Brazilian media shamefully ruining people's lifes for being so incompetent and greedy.

May karma catch them

Like all news stations

damn, they got it right linden burg got 30 years

​@@theoneandonly7019if you think 30 years is low don't look at japanese killers

@@sicthemutt do not highbrow at me kid. i’ve seen their sentences

@@theoneandonly7019 is 30 years at a Brazilian prison. They would beg for a life in prison in the USA lol

Yeah that's what I was asking myself, where is the f...ing sniper?? Do they not have smth like that in Brazil? Whole situation would've been over after a few hours if a sniper had been there. Crazy.

me if I was still young. knowing my own race done this to me. I would go nuts and don't trust anyone ever again. "EVERYONE HELPED my kidnapper. giving him food, giving him full view what's happening outside, my friend escaped and toke him back to my kidnapper in a brink in a eye, people that are watching acting like is a fucking show smiling, laughing and making peace signs, police toke there very sweet time to even try to help us. because of all of this almost everyone in the room died even my best friend." *later people paying there respects to my dead friend* "DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE ACTING LIKE YOU CARE! because of every one of you people my best friend is dead!" like really what the fuck is wrong with all of those people? even if you tell someone this all in detail. NO ONE would believe you. and people does this thing "is all fun and games untell someone dies" and that's when everyone fucking gives a damn even if most of it was there own fucking fault in the 1st place.

@@rickydiscord7671 Just because two or more people are the same race that doesn't mean their gonna get along with each other. People commit crimes agaisnt each other all the time including people from the same race.

@@PeterGriffin11 I was saying as a example that's why I say "if". I already knew how fucked up the world is since I was 5 and I became more aware when I hit 7. also humans are humans no matter the color, bloodline, gen, bone and muscle, human is human there is no difference. is just rare to see light from all the darkness we are covered in.

I know you’re referring to this case specifically, but I just thought it would be relevant to mention how this isn’t even the only time a hostage died for absolute negligence by the police/media. There was another case in Brazil where a woman was taken as a hostage by an armed man in a bus. The police and the man were communicating via the woman writing his requests in the window of the bus with her lipstick, and after hours of trying to set up a trade or a way to save her, the snipers tried to kill the armed man and shot the hostage, which prompted the robber to shoot her three more times, killing her. I’m pretty sure it was also broadcasted on tv but I personally never watched it. It’s extremely sad and disgusting how this type of thing happened not once but twice

This is hardly the only situation that TV news directly led to fatalities, and the US has its fair share, too. The style of highlighting names & disseminating manifestos led to the UnaB/m/er & countless others, and copycats wanting to see their names emblazoned for their "B count" or "the only way to do one impactful thing with my life" or "high-vis revenge" on a person or group. Then there's the anchor who couldn't deal with the "bI□□d and gu+s ᴨewṣ" anymore (and she'd tried to get ger superior to understand for months on end). And the incumbent who'd done no crime but whose name was dragged through the mud for things he hadn't done but the world had decided c/o the news gleefully spreading the lies, so he held a press conference and a large manila envelope (Filter's song "Hey Man, Nice Sh♡t" was about him). Geraldo famously aired himself from a secret military hideout that got a lot of people fired & "fired" as well. The fiasco with Janet Reno with the Cuban boy... Those are all just off the top of my head & US-specific cos I noted the parameter for whatever reason. Everything is an absolute shxtshow.

That clip of everyone waving and cheering felt like a scene from a dark-comedy satire. I forget that this type of mentality existed long before livestreams and social media, it's just easier to notice nowadays.

As someone who lives in a country similar to Brazil, it's really no surprise that they did that

that's just south america

Yeah that image sucked to see…

@@PollenEyeUh huh.

That's a piece of Brazil for you. That's kinda the reason some people like to satirically call us "Banânia". 😂

Agree

​@@caduhidalgo4996 ouvindo isso só consigo lembrar daquele policial influencer que vivia indo em podcast e colocou a vítima de volta no cativeiro depois do resgate pq ele tinha esquecido de gravar. A PM é uma vergonha

What are you asking to do the police was sending backup and when he said don't bring backup the police have to comply the police in this situation always loses A what happened there B media criticise police for not sending and ending at once if media wasn't present then police could had shown professionalism

She was a child. Where the hell were her parents during all this?!

@nicwelch Well, her father was outside of the house when the psycho took her and the other boys hostages, but where they were when their 14 year old daughter was hooking up with this much older creep is an excellent question! I don't know the age of consent or the cultural norms of the country in which this tragedy occurred, so perhaps the parents didn't think of their "relationship" to be wildly inappropriate, but seeing this as an American, I couldn't help but wonder the same thing- where is this girl's father to beat the brakes off this punk!??!!? 🤔 Very tragic.

​@@nicwelchher father was a criminal too, he fled from his state to avoid punishment before he met her mother

This event really opened my eyes when it comes to how vile and disgusting modern media has become, over dramatising every single event. No matter how many people get hurt, how awful they treat the event, they will always do whatever they can to get viewership no matter how much it hurts the people Reminds me of corporations… almost like the corporations are what run the media