The Federation, through being largely an Earth-centric organization, is traumatized by the horrors of the Eugenics wars, and this damage colors every interaction Starfleet has for centuries to come. This is internally pretty consistent so far as I figure. Their argument against genetic modification isn't rational, and it's never framed as such.

This episode also has a really great coda in the Lower Decks crossover episode. No spoilers, but it's mentioned by Boimler and Mariner that, in their time, Una is literally the face of Starfleet, the person on recruitment posters. Her entire career, she was scared she didn't deserve to be in Starfleet, but the verdict of the future is that she's one of the all-time best that ever was. Her reaction to finding that out is subtle (if you haven't been following her arc you might miss it) but extremely powerful.

Nice to see that the old adage about blind squirrels still holds up.

More reflection on Strange New Worlds please! This is my favorite New Trek series by far!

It is a shame that Star Trek doesn't show up on TV. There is something lost when it is a subscriber service.

Overall I loved watching this series, brings a vibe of "true star trek" as Roddenberry thought it up, but with a modern twist. Only the episode with the singing (space rhapsody?) wasn't for me, although I could appreciate it... Great Video, would love some more thoughts on SNW.

Spock is genetically engineered, all mixed species characters are genetically engineered. It's in canon.

The power of this episode tends to be......amplified with the context of the previous episodes. And I agree with how well DSC era writers write Vulcans

13:16 Not a lawyer myself, but generally from what I have heard from my lawyer friends you don't want to put the defendant on the stand, almost always. There are just too many things you can say or do wrong, and for this case be as open and shut as it is. You could easily compound the offense or implicate others in what happened.

Those TOS style ribbons/medals on the old bald alien are fantastic.

That was my issue with it too Humans couldn't handle it so there is no chance anyone else could

Great video

If you'd watched SNW from the beginning (even without the ties to Discovery) more of the episode would have made more sense - so I hope at some point you do go back and watch. As for the validity or sensibility of the arguments - the prosecution was attempting to destroy the defense's case by opening with a witness (Admiral April) who made his decisions with regards to Una solely based on the law. The defense forced April's hand by showing the hypocrisy of April's decision making and Starfleet's on inconsistent application of its highest laws. The tribunal had to throw it out. First round to the defense.

Nailed it in one. :) Well said, and please... watch more SNW. It's SOOOOOO GOOOOOOD.

Great video - i agree with your conclusion.

I think one thing you don’t take into account regarding Una being gene modded is that her parents themselves were gene modded as well which means whatever gene mods they had she inherited those gene mods so she was screwed before birth in that alone. So it really is just her being Illyrian that’s the issue essentially

I'd also like to think there were elements of Measure of a Man sprinkled throughout the episode

Una DID live under rough conditions.

The defense committed a procedural infraction when she continued questioning after an objection had been registered.

The problem with legalizing genetic modification is that it creates a class system: homo superior with their greater strength and intelligence and whatever, and homo sapiens with whatever nature provided. It's a pretty inevitable outcome, one that most species that can make genetic modifications probably went through at some point. So, most species probably wete willing enough to agree to ban the practice, as long as exceptions were made for correcting genetic defects (as was done with Miral Torres).

Honestly after watching all the new trek I love it all . Even if there are inconsistencies between the series. Enterprise brings up DNA modification in a few episodes. Other species have done it right

The sedition charges were unwarranted.

Ep was a good reminder why it's easy to hate Vulcans. Great when on your side. Screwed it not

SNW is easily one of the better StarTreks in a long time.

Watch the musical episode next.

spoiler cut . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NGL, finding out she reported herself was a perfect gut punch.

Gave me a lot to think about and give that job to the truly deep divers of trek like your self but as a fan of court room dramas this episode,DS9 rules of engagement and the menagerie is where treks shows the promise of the Federation

Doesn't Phlox have something to say about how other races (including other eventual Federation members) handle genetic modifications and are 'mature enough to use them responsibility' during the Augments-arc in Enterprise?

I feel a better issue to bring up with Genetic Engineering would be the fallibility of the one doing it. Banning it or regulating it extremely due to the risks of creating a class system of engineered and un engineered people, the chance this could lead to a society where people's genetics are designed for them to be placed in a preset destiny (like adding more subservient genes to make another person for grunt work), The fact that the engineers could make a mistake or ignore the good of a genetic makeup, the dark implications this has with old school Eugenics and seeing some groups as inferior, and the risk this could lead to a loss of genetic diversity. There are loads of ways to make the Federation fear of genetic engineering seem to have a point without bringing up the god of evolution or only the EUgencis wars.

nice.

You will learn this by watching the first season of strange new worlds, but the way they find out about her modification is because she told them herself, because she didn't want to live in hiding anymore.

I believe the writers did the opening on purpose. They make it clear that there is a bad history between Una and Defense council if I recall correctly. She made it clear she was taking the case to make a broader point about Federations policy on Augmentation.

They dont understand Sedition. Sedition is any Act causing government, law, constitution, sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt. That means every act including government, law, constitution, sovereign requires consensus or government, law, constitution, sovereign be held in hatred and contempt.

Also I hope you watched the rest of the show. Both seasons were surprisingly good. They were able to pull off mostly episodic seasons while tying in a general season plot. It also had some great character development with the supporting characters in a similar way TNG and DS9 did with their supporting cast. La'an Noonien-Singh and Dr. M'Benga were surprisingly well written and had great character development, two characters I didn't think we would get much of. Hemmer was pretty great to. One thing I hated were the season cliffhangers.

hot damn, ya it dose combine everything.

i like SNW much more than DISCO, but whats become apparent to me, is that my ideal StarTrek crew would be all strict logic Vulcans and Robots with minimal emotions being involved in plots 🤪

Ad astra per aspera. To the stars through adversity.

I always wondered why When Pike got promoted out of the captain's seat of the enterprise, why he tossed the keys to Kirk not Una

I have a guess at the sedition charge. Reporting it is required by the state and her Captain didn't report it. Now, an average citizen may not have a requirement but he is a Captain in a totally-not-a-military military organization and that would be a different animal. Rather than a citizen not reporting a crime, you have a Captain defying a standing order. All because she inspired it. I am not a legal expert so I don't know that I am correct in my assessment and, even assuming I am right, I don't agree with the idea considering she never actually asked him to do so but it is all I can come up with.

One of things I just realized is the Una is SNW equivalent of Tasha Yar from Star Trek: TNG. Temperament wise they are quite similar and had traumatic experiences, though Una's was not as bad but still awful in comparison. Plus as strong, almost fanatical zeal of devotion to Federation and Starfleet.

I have a questions, the Denobulans at this time are a part of the federation right? In Star Trek Enterprise Dr. Phlox says that his people have been using genetic engineering positively for centuries (i.e. before the federation was even founded). So what's going on their, did they have to give up something that was probably a major part of their culture? were they given an exception status? If they were given an exception why wouldn't other species be given exceptions as well?

The Sedition charges are probably for having the crew and captain lie to cover for her. She is inciting a breakdown.

Putting someone on trial for the choices others made and for the crime of being alive is itself so morally fucking disgusting that any "utopia" built upon such tenets as fundamental founding law ought to be abolished. Violently. Full stop. That said, most trials in the US do not involve the defendant being called to the stand. Without expert training, it's far too easy for a cross examination to trip up the defendant the same way the police do-to make them say something that implies or suggests guilt, even when the defendant is innocent, and especially if they are guilty of something. And the fact is, we are all guilty of something. All it takes is clever questioning to root out what that is-and it's even easier if you lie about something. Probably any lawyer, and especially a criminal lawyer will tell you the same thing: You have the right to remain silent. Exercise it. If there is something for you to say, they'll tell you what it is and when to say it. Otherwise Keep Your Damned Mouth Shut. Failing to do that just makes their job a lot harder.

Descendant of Kahn, not ancestor

Yeah, when she said god I was like which one(s)? That alone really made me have to turn on my SOB.

....When you're working the loading dock, out in the field building...You're getting YOUR hands dirty, you're sweating from the labor and dealing with things the CEO has no idea of what You really do. "We build houses for customers" says the CEO and board. People who probably have never done the kind of work you and your crew have been doing for years. They see papers that the people in accounting or some other very white collar level of the corporation. Some bureaucrat writes up employee rules and safety manuals that have No Idea of Real Life. They see that YOU were late with this or that..and 'By God, they want to know why you can't do a simple job..and No Excuses!" Employees don't leave companies, they leave bad management...the Marquis left the corporation and 'For Some Reason'...they don't know Why. The federation was trying to 'Keep the Peace' with the Cardassians..by they didn't care for or want any other colony in the area but Theirs. The Federation refused to see the conflict from the Marquis' POV. Its easy to be content and pissed off at others who aren't on the Upper levels of Paradise and as Eddington was saying 'Who leaves paradise?"

I would like to ask you about your beginning statement about Una being on the stand. I don't know if I agree with you since, typically, in modern-day trials, you don't call the defendant on the stand. Their too much risk of incrimination and yes, pleading the 5th, while it shouldn't can suggest a notion of guilt to the Jury. Maybe Federation trails are different but it is a common practice among the American Justice system.

"What would God need with a starship?" - I see what you did there.

I don't think it's better then the drumhead but it was great episode and it did make a better court case. The story and motivations behind drumhead were much different. In this episode it was just a ridgid unemotional Vulcan doing his job and going strictly by the law. He wasn't doing anything for personal reasons. The story was initially about winning the case and then shifted to giving a justifiable reason as to why the law was broken. In the drumhead the motivations were much more sinister and the goal was to expose the corruption and ill intent being disguised as justice. This show has some good writers and I enjoyed the show.

This would be a fun debate. It would be 3 on 3 but the participants don’t get to pick the said they want and have 1 hour to get ready.

Man, that cartoon was the best of Trek. Giant Spock would tread on this court. Literally step on it, look at his giant space boot, uh oh.

That "something else" that Spock reveals about Una, was first revealed in a Discovery era Short Trek titled Q & A. In that short Trek episode, during Spock's first day onnthe Enterprise, Spockbsnd Una get trapped in a turbolift and learn secrets about each other.

Wouldn't La'an also be an augment, since her progenitors had genetically modified genes?

What's the background music?

@LoreReloaded #LoreReloaded the prosecutor’s senseless arguments make more sense when you realize that she wants to lose. She is intentionally pulling as many punches as possible and her boss eventually realizes it. He then takes over. Her reaction shows that she fears that he’ll derail her efforts. Also, the fact that she may have (in the view of the fed) persuaded people to violate a federation law by knowingly concealing her status…a law that when violated could lead to the end of the federation, makes sedition make as much sense as it usually does when a state accuses a citizen of it these days. I think that move was written to reflect that irl reality.

wait till you see the k-pop klingons, for god sake we need more k-pop klingons

I quite enjoyed SNW

The defence say would you be alive is a bad take ..... If she wasn't there someone else would of saved them

I would not say it blew Tng or Ds9 out the water. It took elements of some of those show's best episodes and expanded them. I would agree it is a great episode and is on par with TNG and Ds9. Respect you opinion on it also. It was a great episode loved it. I would say TNG had episodes of gentic soldiers that showed other race's had some issues also. But in the Timeline u could not argue i guess. Like i said it was a great episode, but it was clunky at times. But it was strange new worlds best episode. Love the video.

La'an is a descendant of Khan, not an ancestor. Her time travel did not create a grandfather paradox.

Watch that crossover one. 😂

I want to see Mud (Remastered)

Really Lore.....you haven't watched? Welcome back

Is this the first time that you addressed the new trek?

The federation has always sucked in understanding the individual and how there's no one shoe size fits all solutions in this case is genetic engineering and the terrans fear of it and the same goes for capitalism or free market enterprise which the Terrans and the Federation abandoned but the Ferengi embraced and perfected to the point that they didn't suffer devastating world wars.

I don't agree with your point that there should've been a moment to frame crewman Tarses ina good light. To me, him being a relatively disposable nobody was a big part of the conciet. In fact Satie was problematic because of how easily she weaponize her quasi-celebrity status and reputation.

I totally agree that this court scene is amazing I think the emotional impact is what makes it better than a measure of a man, and is way better than drum head

Watch episode 3

I wouldn't say that the law regarding asylum of persecuted peoples is entirely made up for this episode. We see multiple times where Starfleet captains have granted asylum to individuals, or at least attempted to do so, even if it would place their ship in peril. Heck, Janeway went so far as to grant Quinn asylum from the Q Continuum, even when the point of contention with the Q Continuum was his expressed desire to make the choice to end himself. We might not have had the text of the law yet, but it was a well-established hill that Starfleet captains were willing to stand and die upon.

Did you watch the same episode as me all those questions at the beginning that you thought was stupid came into play in the last part this was a master chess game i beg you watch it again everything clicks into place in the end I thought that was whole point of this episode as in all ST incarnations they have mentioned the genetics way and that genetically modified species were treated as vermin I had always wondered how is it that the federation can put this infringement in place and not learn from earths own mistakes to me this showed that the federation has flaws too and Gene Roddenberry would have never signed off on this episode i thought this was superbly written every dought i had before this episode about the federations flaws and stubbornness to even listen and the twist at the end bravo

I started to feel uncomfortable with the lawyer, but I love how they made her having her own political agenda. It gave Pike a very specific goal to remind her to be a lawyer, not a politician. Change of the law doesn't happen in the courtroom. It is why the defense lawyer's opening is so weak, because it is using notoriety to make a political point, not actually giving a defense of her client. It is unique and a very Human thing we see in people. Genius.

I just wish they would have kept Aprels queens British accent

The only thing this show blows real fans expectations

only problem is... the regulation(!) that is quoted here makes no sense in or better said, doesnt apply to, this case. Its a regulation to how to perform the duties of a captain in a certain situation. The situation is if someone asks for asylum. But you can't ask for asylum in Starfleet as SF is not a state or governemt. You also cant go to a US-Navy base, ask for asylum and the next day you are a sailor. Yes the soldier/sailors can grant you safety and passage, but asylum you have to request by the sate. And Im sure the Federation wouldn't even hesitate long and grant it... but starting a career at Starfleet is a complete different arena to play. And still there may be specific regulations that qualify or disqualify you from service. If a genetic modification, when you had no choice to make them, is one of them may be up to discussion and find out, maybe even for any individual case and maybe there are still ways left open to qualify yourself.

I cannot give a solid analysis and rating of this episode as my issues with Disco era Trek bounce around in my head too much for me to be sure I'm giving it a fair shake. But I can honestly say that AT WORST, this episode was a decent effort to try and retread The Drumhead in line with modern views. When The Drumhead was made, it was explicitly targeting people who try to find traitors in common people. This was topical at the time due to gays in the military, whom many believed were security risks(which was likely the best example of a self-fulfilling prophecy in the entire history of the USA) and therefore traitors, and a lot of persecution happened if ones was even SUSPECTED of being gay. It got to the point of being one step short of full-blown McCarthyism(which was also being targeted in The Drumhead). Nowadays the issues of persecution are less over concerns of security risks and more about basic human rights/dignity so making a new version of The Drumhead reflecting that was a smart move on the writers' part and they clearly put a lot of effort into it. Everyone's opinion on how well the results were are going to vary greatly.

KURTZMAN DREK ISN'T CANON

This is something I do have to admit I hate in regards to Trek because in books which are beta cannon but where written by people with alpha cannon knowledge namely the book Vulcan's Glory by D.C. Fontana Number One's origins were always that she came from a race that genetically modified its people in fact her being called Number One wasn't a term of endearment like we see Captain Picard calling Commander Rider his number one. Una was called Number One because she was the very best of her line if you will someone's idea of a peefect being. The reason this is a problem is because D.C. Fontana was apart of Trek creation from the beginning and while Eugenics Wars are talked about in TOS it's not brought up as a problem in Star Fleet until DS9 decades after the fact. And the big problem is Strange New Worlds is set before The Original Series so why it is it a problem in DS9 and bigger question why is it a problem in SNW when in TOS is wasn't a problem. For me this is why later Trek and New Trek I have problems with from a continuity stand point, it isn't perfect but it does show the writers at times might read up on Trek but they don't quite understand certain parts.

shocked there are any good new trek. This is very first season tng

the federations ban on augments is borne from human fear and nothing else

It might be better then Drumhead, but it's not better than Measure of a Man.

Did it have actual judge and lawyers from star Fleet JAG or just random admirals and captains not qualified for the jobs?

Then Strange New Worlds went on and did a episode with Klingon boy band.

So, I generally agree with the analysis of the arguments and the episode overall. However, the presenter's legal analysis is lacking to the point of being dead wrong. The most glaring example is when he said that putting a defendant on the stand is one of the best ways to not get convicted. This is absolutely backward and wrong. Putting a defendant on the stand is usually a desperation move because there are no other options. This is because the prosecution will make it a point to destroy the defendant on the stand. One other thing I disagree with is the disdain for the opening arguments. Opening arguments are just that, opening salvos. Shots across the bow if you will. They don't have to be fully supported or make complete sense. In this case, I think there are two options for the defenses arguments strategically. The first is that the argument challenging the law as unjust was a red herring to get the argument on the record and distract the prosecution. It also serves the defense attorney's personal motivations, as discussed in the episode, which makes it all the more believable. However, the attorney is very smart and knows how weak this argument is. So, she has this strategy that she can only reveal once the conditions have been established. The flaw in this theory is that it presupposes the attorney has knowledge of the entire circumstances of Una's arrest. There is good evidence to the contrary in the episode. The second possibility is that, from a legal perspective, the unjust law argument was the best argument she had until putting Una on the stand. At that point, the attorney realized that Una had already met all of the conditions for asylum, and she shifted arguments. The only thing presupposed by this theory is that the attorney has a very deep and thorough knowledge of her chosen law field. There is also evidence in the episode that Una is less than forthcoming with her attorney about how she was found out.

its cultural and a survival thing. their culture is to adapt themselves to life on other planets and not to terraform and adapt the planets.

Didnt enterprise state denobulans perfected genetic alterations and it was standard for them. If true phlox was altered and in starfleet no issue. It also stated it was for earth humans only. So how is this whole trial possible?

I think throughout the show history, almost everything has been done at one point, to do anything new without alienating or angering the fans would be impossible. Look at the musical, it is the only musical(to my knowledge) in 56 plus years and some people were absolutely furious. The only things the writers could have their shit approved would be trying desperately to promote recent trends and appease all of the sexual minorities. Regarding SNW, at least they're making each episode interesting unlike Discovery.

It's about time to bring the Master Chief, Sierra 117, to the franchise and make humanities' enemies pay for what they have done!😠

No. My dude, this is no “Drumhead”. I don’t want to get too into it, but I’ll address one thing. You talk about how the character in this episode had a major impact on the lives of others, and how Simon Tarsus (not sure of the spelling of his names) did not. That’s a big part of the point of drumhead. Simon was a face in the crowd. He wasn’t even part of the main cast. He was a nobody. The point being, that rights and “guarantees” (as Picard puts it) apply to everyone. It doesn’t matter how “insignificant” they may be. He was the little guy. In both cases, it was about the characters dna, and their careers threatened because of that, and their lies. I just wanted to point that out for no particular reason. In Drumhead, I’ll point out the conflict between main characters, and it was heated. Botha sides of the argument seemed genuine and relatable. Relatable as in, you can see it in society today and in the nineties with the labeling of certain people as enemies. The same can be said about this SNW episode, but I feel like TNG simply did it better. The acting and writing was far better in drumhead. That’s not a knock on Strange New Worlds. The bar is just too high. I like SNW, and I liked this episode, but Drumhead it is not.

They rip-off Gundam: Unicorn and thought no one would notice.

The law is stupide ! How the produse of genetic modified scientifique expérience have to be traid in justice and not juste the scientifique in question is juste not meck sanse !

I get it, the current writers were weaksauce, this isn't Measure of a Man or Drumhead. Still seems fine.

About time you came around....

Ana court house Drama relies on the problem that real legal proceedings are boring. So you have to appeal to either a jury or have a case that isnt clear cut, both arent the case here. The comparison to the drumhead case is lukewarm (i dont think the episode wouldve been better if the guy was made more "real") and the jabs at directive one vs a law is also laughable I wasnt intrigued by this vid to watch the series (i generally dont subscribe to "oh yeah its stupid but it gets better",flaws can be overlooked but i dont agree with it being just a flaw)

I couldn't be bothered to watch SNW. Here is what I think about it. SMFH

While this is a good episode, albeit leaning far to hard on "Modern Day" issues, it's ultimately pointless, as we know in DS9 with Bashir, that genetic engineering is still outlawed and those that been the recipient of such are still criminalized.

This series out of all new Trek is the only good series, I would go so far as to say season for season it is better than TNG.

Denobulans were ok with genetic manipulation

I enjoy SNW, but this episode was boarder line unwatchable for me. I had to force myself to finish it. From a legal standpoint it was nonsensical as well. That said there were some pretty bad TOS, and TNG episodes too. I think this is one of the, if not the worst offerings from SNW, BUT, it was still light years better then the worst of other Trek renditions. Overall, the show has been a lot of fun to watch, just not this particular episode.

Does this imply that free speech is not a thing in the federation?

I have not seen any discovery, Laura decks, strange New World, yet, I guess when they become more available. And I have not seen any Asoka yet.