For anyone wondering why the video disappeared for a few hours, it literally got blocked because of the Fairy Tail segment. So i'm currently setting up a Patreon where you can watch the video in it's entirety without any problems, this minor block probably killed the momentum the video was getting but I'm grateful that it managed to get 40K + views. Thanks for watching and thanks for 1000K subs and the video will be up on Patreon soon ~ T.R

I'd be more sad about this if mangaka could actually handle the stress of long running manga, but even with decades of examples to learn from, artists will be lucky to put out 200 Chapters before breaking down.

I always say this isn’t a problem. Mangaka having the opportunity to finish their mangas on their terms when they want instead of being forced by editors to keep it going (dragonball) or needlessly extending a series length well past the manga quality dipped long ago (naruto, bleach) is a good thing. Makes for more happier mangaka escaping the horrible throws of mangaka work lifestyles and ending their art on their terms when they want it to end. That’s not bad

You kinda have to give it to seasonal. When continuously dropping episodes it’s harder to keep the anime behind the manga which either rushes the source material or forces filler episodes and arcs while they’re trying to put out chapters. Seasonal relieves stress on creators in my opinion and like you said when given time they can do great things.

Bro you are completely right about long running shows, I fell in love with bleach in middle school and I’m now 22 years old, I have girlfriend who loves anime and we watched bleach together and it’s one of her favorites, one day she was crying at the end of the original series where everyone goes to an ice rink for fun and she just started crying out of nowhere and when I asked why she said it’s because everyone looks so much older. Even she, as someone who had only been watching for like a year felt like she grew with these characters and it really does mean a lot to the people watching

It's not really a problem, honestly. Modern mangaka are just "maturing," if that's an appropriate word to use. They're realizing, "Oh. There's not much more story to tell. Let me finish so I can move on to my next idea." It's honestly a good thing. Don't let staff bully you into continuing a story long past the ending, and don't just milk the story until there's nothing left, even for a sequel. Dragon Ball and Naruto are perfect examples of each of the scenarios I mentioned. Strike while the iron is hot, but once it cools down, stop hitting it.

The older I get the more I’m okay with this. Being 30 now I enjoy tuning in every week for 12-24 weeks to watch an anime and then it being done and I can move on to other things.

"he Death Of Long Running Shonen" Laughs in One Piece (gear 5)

8:45 It was shown that cursed users and cursed spirits exist beyond Japan, but they don't know about eachother and usually go solo. This is because there isn't that many jujutsu sorcerers who know about their power and the country probably sees them as mentally insane and they go into mental asylums.

My biggest problem with new era 12 episode seasonal anime is that everything happens so quickly, there's no build up, barely any world building. They peak really early with no buy in. I don't even know the characters and they're dead already. There's no incentive for the viewer. So you only get a mid forgettable story experience.

My major gripe with long running anime is the animation quality. Seasonal anime have more consistent high quality animation compared to weekly anime series.

I feel like the reason we don't get long running anime anymore is due to the age of streaming, because the same could be said for TV series. Before when you had to wait to watch your favorite show, we used to get 24 episodes per season and like 8,9,10 seasons of a show. But with the way we consume media now, if something isn't great then it gets canceled without any consideration to fix or better the mistakes that were made in the first season. As a relatively new anime watcher, I personally didn't like the art style in One Piece but I kept watching and I began to enjoy the world building, character development, new crew members, and the art style. But unfortunately that cannot be said for new shows, it's either a hit or a miss. And it's like they want to keep the story short so as to not lose viewers with too many filler episodes.

bro your a new age weeb. went through all that with dbz and yu yu hakusho and others

Coming across a South African KZfaqr talking about anime literally made me so happy 🇿🇦🔥

the companies dont pay these studios/animators/artists enough for long running high quality anime

Its dying and im damn happy about it. I watched on piece and Naruto from my childhood to adult hood. When i was 22 thought thought hit me "Am i going to die of old age before one piece or naruto ended?" lmaoo. But all jokes aside long shonen is never as good as anime that only runs 2-4 seasons. Thats because each episode and season stuff actually happen, more efficient and impactful for you time, and short anime always leave you of wanting more. Rather than talking paragraphs about it lets see the difference of short anime vs lang animes. JJK Yuji vs Choso against any naruto fight that lasted 6 episodes with 15 minutes being B-roll of them breathing heavily after clashing and 25 minutes of flashbacks of naruto on a swing with sad music.

I love long form content . One piece with 1000+ eps ? I’m with it . Warhammer 40K with over 600 novels ? Hell yea. I love world building and really getting to know characters . It saddens me with all the short form content these days and short seasons

I'd rather most just be 28 to 59 episodes. As someone in their 30's you start to value your time a lot more.

I mean I see what you mean but the 12-24 episode formula is only a product of its time. Personally I would rather wait for 24 episodes of a well produced show then get a weekly series where it looks really stiff. And this gets into manga as well. Shit like one piece would get axed almost immediately if it started publication today. People generally prefer faster paced story telling these days. It’s just what the industry has adapted into. But wtf do I know? Just my thoughts.

I'm not going to lie I really hope that MHA and Black clover was going to be the next Naruto where we could see the progression of the characters and world building.

Another problem too is something that we don't want to meet is the complaint about filler The reason why a lot of shows back in the day were long running is because when they will catch up with the manga they will have to create a new arc out of nowhere to hold over until the artist can get a little bit further ahead so they can animate it so that's another problem with the long-running series formula is that there's no in between and that's been a problem with the manga since the very beginning we can have an arc where we go through all of these emotions and these cool battles or whatever and then there's no downtime or we jump right into the next arc without any lead up that be the problem and I think that's why we kind of do need a little bit of filler just to either give the cast a break or to transition. Until the mangaka artist can catch up and do more when you have the seasonal animes you're literally holding out until the manga artist can draw a lot of chapters so they can animate it and that's the reason why you see my Hero academia and jiu jitsu kaizen taken you know these long breaks because of the fact that they're not putting filler in it and that's great after a while but eventually you're going to have to put some kind of filler into these animes in order to keep them going for a long time to keep them in the cultures like guys to keep people from for getting about the anime and the manga itself

If you ain’t watching one piece then you sick and are missing out big time it’s the best of best

FINALLY! Another South African fan who actually knows a lot of anime and experienced anime through watching it on SABC 2 at 5 pm.

The problem i have with the new series is timing,they wanna hit every point very quickly with barely any build up like yea i like them but i dont have that same attachment i had with the long runs so now when something big happens its cool but dont get me super hype

I’m glad Black Clover is actually coming back.

Its refreshing to see a South African anime channel. I love what youre doing here brother .🙌

The meta for the comic went from Long running stories w/ grand worldbuilding , w/ "bloat" to shorter ones with less world building, less character development, and more action. It's like they were made to be binged. Anime-wise, now the industry is producing is 3/4x more things under arguably more conditions. Capitalism is hell.

One piece got me to anime, there was a time it played on SABC 2

Buff Asta was the best part for me, gave me drive to be Buff Meltdown

I won't lie I sometimes skipped after-care or school clubs just ro be comfortable by 5 to watch Naruto and Bleach on SABC 2

The pain of waiting for 5 and the sorrow you would feel when Thursday came up😭😭 but im glad we got introduced to the media

Bruh I understand pain of sabc 2 ads , and it's like 2min worth of ads

Yo. I spent my early teens watching Naruto and dragon ball z on SABC 2 all the way here in Zambia

my answer to this is: hopefully yes the stress and overwork that a animator goes to make a season anime is already a great one. now imagine having to work non-stop in a production until it ends (who knows when). its just paintful to think about the harsh things that animators in anime industry in japan are going throw. so i prefer season series that comes with less overwork and pain to the workers than have an eternal anime with workers suffering to bring every episode

From an anime watchers perspective I like the shorter ones. They are easier to watch and get caught up on. So I can avoid spoilers. The animation tends to be much better, and there is little to no filler. But in my opinion it is sometimes a bit harder to get invested in a character. Sometimes. As where a long running anime like One Piece. Of which I've watched 580 episodes. There is lots of time to get invested in the characters, and you can often times grow very fond of a character. Also because you've seem so much of these characters in a longer anime, you can often predict what they might do next. Which some people hate that, but I personally like it. It kinda feels like you grew up along side them. It's kinda like a sibling in my eyes. You've been around them so very much that you can sometimes practically read their mind. Which I find fun. So, yeah. In short. I like shorter animes. For the most part.

Anime production shifted to seasonal mainly because of IRL stuff like business and the production itself. Besides, long-running anime are actually seasonal too. The rights to produce and broadcast didn't get sold as a whole (from the start until the series ended), they got renewed, usually per certain episode or arc. That's why the DVD versions of Bleach, Naruto, etc. were released in seasons. Also, world building isn't just about places or areas. It includes everything like setting, societal norms, characters, and/or organization relations, etc. A world in One Piece is filled with pirates and ruled by a single organization called the World Government, that is also part of its world-building. and yes, it exists in seasonal anime like JJK too.

SABC 2: When 5 o'clock was 5 o'clock!

I don't mind anime having seasons but what I hate is it's not set up for yearly releases like you said it can take 2 to 4 years to get a season 2 which is ridiculous.

Great video and I'd love to add to discussion better but I'm on the tail end of a short lunch break but we really need more people loud about SJ's tendency to keep early axing creative stories that aren't doing whatever numbers that "indicate" one of the BIG series early enough, at a time where people have less time/money to indulge in reading. I feel like too many REALLY GOOD SERIES lose their chance bc of these impossible expectations and it's extremely sad, esp with SJ nearly controlling the industry (while still mistreating their mangaka like crazy)

don’t worry , i’ll bring back long running anime, just give me 16 years, my Radicals comic will be my magnum opus

Man the SABC 2 struggle was real 😅

Bleach thousand year blood war arc proved that seasonal adaptation is the best way for shounen. Imagine a seasonal Dressrosa arc and it runs for 2 seasons with the pace of the manga and amazing animation. I know it won’t happen because Toei won’t stop milking it and there might be actual backlash from the Japanese fans. Even though Wano had good animation for the most part the pacing was horrendous. Atleast the newer shonen have seasonal anime adaptations. Demon Slayer, a super mid to decent manga plot and character wise, benefitted so much that it feels like a missed opportunity with One Piece and DBS. F*** you Toei!

I was speaking with my friends about this the other day how much I miss long running Shonen. I’ve turned more towards fantasy books and light novels to scratch a similar itch.

i agree on the video i'm use to and very fond of the long running format of getting an episode every week but i have gotten use to the seasonal format and appreciate the quality that comes with it congrats on 1k great vid !

I hope you know you’ll conquer whatever you’re going through as well. Thank you for the video

Yeah, weekly anime are almost always harder to make than seasonal anime and it shows because of schedules and other production things. I don't mind seasonal anime, but I agree that it waiting for the new season sometimes loses the hype. W video, keep up the good work.

I LOVE THIS EDITING. AND THE BUMP SEGMENT?! chef’s kiss. You got a sub in me.

My uncle used to watch a shitton of Naruto episodes with a pirated DVD because that's how we watch anime since the 30% population of filipinos barely could afford a TV and caples at the early 2010s and 2000s. Not to mention just getting a computer and Wifi is more difficult compare to nowadays where most of them can watch a shitton of attention span reducing brain dead content with a phone on their hands.

That Case Closed mention hit me like a flashbang. Not many people know about it.

I feel you 😂 "SABC 2 at 5pm"

Honestly, long running anime has the tendency to be crammed with filler, quantity over quality, I would much rather a more concise and condensed story than get two whole seasons of filler.

problem is alot of these manga have a rushed feeling to it so when its over readers think they should have spent more time on certain characters or concepts

It strongly depends. I think the sweet spot from my evaluations might be somewhere around 40-100 episodes as being ideal. But then again look at HxH how do you tell an expansive amazing story without it being longer than 100 eps. Whenever Bersek finally gets a proper no CGI laden adapation it will be another longer than 100. I think people saying that shorter is better are somewhat incorrect. Rushing through scenes and not fleshing out ideas is just as bad as stretching it out too long.

It is interesting that TV series becoming shorter isn't just happening in Anime in Japan, but also in the US from Hollywood. There are DIFFERENT reasons for each. Anime, the long-running Battle Shonen anime, are based on Manga. With the evolution to adapt Manga with as little filler as possible and the movement to seasonal anime...there is less of a pressure for Manga Writers to just keep going endlessly to feed a year-round anime production cycle. In Hollywood...it is becoming a bit of a "budget and method of consumption" thing. LOST had 24+ episode seasons for the first 3 seasons. Something like Dexter had 13 episode seasons. Game of Thrones had 10 episode seasons but by the end had 7 and 6 episode seasons. Now a lot of the common Netflix or Amazon Prime shows have 8 episode seasons. A show like Jack Ryan finished the entire show with only 30 episodes after FOUR Seasons. 20 years ago a show like LOST had ONE SEASON with 25 episodes. There is more and more of a pressure on TV storytelling to feel more cinematic. So...more money/impact/emphasis put on every episode being important and being key to the story. No room for weird one-off episodes or unique side stories...they are being treated more like "Multi part movies" instead of having the typical "TV structure" In the age of streaming people aren't watching shows once a week for months, having a different episode of a different show for each night at each time...instead...people want something they can binge in its entirety and then move onto something else. I think that is making "short anime" have more appeal as well....people want to watch something in full, then jump to the next thing. People are less interested in just being absorbed completely by one long-running mega-franchise.

Bro! This was a well done vid man. I actually thought you were American based off your thumb nail design. What a surprise it was to hear your South American. As a Nigerian who has been in South Africa since 2009 i relate to that SABC 2 hate😂. Keep up the great quality bro, I'm proud if you and you just got yourself a new sub.

Aah, a South African finally contributing to the anime conversation. I didn't even know Bleach was on sabc 2 until I saw it about 3 years ago, I was shook!

i subbed because the little bump message made me smile, thank you

Not to mention sabc2 restarted Dbz TWICE FROM THE BEGINNING! Once when it was around frieza saga and another close to the end of cell saga I think... And those were DAM LONG

if jjk is a long running series, the animators are now in a death bed, they are already half alive now anyways.

Great video! I’m also really hoping, that JJK gets a filler episode

Good I hate long running manga. There no reason to have over 500 chapters. Some of the best manga are short hell attack on titan Is only like 139 ish chapters and it's one of the best stories ever told. Only reason it took soong is because it was on a monthly release instead of weekly

That Nier Soundtrack slapping tho.

Can't believe you talked about Mashima and didn't even bring up Rave Master :P Good video, I enjoyed it

lol now that i hear it in this video with one piece visuals, the vocals in that nier automata village song really do sound like they're saying 'one piece'

My problem with seasonals, is when you only get twelve episodes, years go by, there is more to adapt, yet they dont renew it. Other than tgat, I preferr it, since it acoids the hurdles of struggling to keep up, or overtaking the source material and stuff

I must be deranged AF since I started my love with anime watching HXH

i wish they atleast left us with 12 episode seasons for black clover. Its so sad that they just fully stopped it before the best arc 😭😭😭

Idk how i noticed but when talking about one piece you placed nier music. FUCKING LEGEND And feel that on the fairy tail part its the witcher music but tell me if im coping

My introduction to anime was Detective Conan.

been watching anime since 2009 and only problem i have with one piece that it might end

Its always sad to see a fairy tale fan is so oblivious not to know that rave master exist

11:50 💀 why are you acting like this is a new problem? Shonen jump has been doing this for *decades* long before series have been getting localized for the west. the only reason why it's apparent now is because Viz has actually decided to translate the manga currently running in shonen jump, giving us a glimpse into how truly cuthroat shonen jump is when it comes to its manga

I see this as an absolute win Finish your stories and don't milk them

Can't believe we could finish a 20min episode in an hour with all the ads in between

Seasonal anime is the best thing to happen to the industry - I grew up watching anime during the heyday of the early 2000s, I was going from high school to college when hulu and crunchyroll were just illegal anime streaming sites. Long running shit is full of still frames and wasted chances for hype, and I say this as someone who loved the big 3 growing up. But with most seasonal works, every encounter is eye candy, a motherfucker tearing open a loaf of bread can be one of the most entrancing series of frames you've ever seen.

i was born in 2005 my intro to anime were anime's from the 80's and studio ghibli movies than pokemon and akame ga kill

Liked hearing the megalobox soundtracks in the background, that series has some great OSTs.

Man i feel so nostalgic for those days watching anime on SABC2. I kinda gravitated away from shonen (accept for one piece) and just jumping between comedies, trashy fanservice shows and even shojo, the only Shonen ive been actively watching are one-piece and CSM. I still whatch stuff, just not as engaged as i am with them

Your videos are amazing bro, kept it up !!

Instant subscribe for the Mashima section and not being negative about it or even mentioning it

South Africa is definitely not the only country that had to deal with ad breaks and waiting for hours to watch an anime episode. Other than that though, agree with you about your sentiments with long running anime. When ppl use the excuse of OP is too long to justify not watching it, how come it's never used for other shounen then? If you're a OP fan, you know it's actually too short. It's really the garbage pacing that weakens it (at least for the anime) We're in a timeline where there are anime fans who haven't grown up watching shows like Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, etc. in a weekly basis. While OP has a greater quantity of episodes compared to these series, bottom-line, all of them have WAY more episodes compared to the typical seasonal anime relatively speaking. And that's the important part here. While all these 12-24 ep anime are great since you get a concise story, you'll have to wait a year minimum for a new season. At least for me, I forget so many of the characters, their names, the events etc. that took place. As much as I love my romance stuff like Toradora, Ao Haru Ride, Kimi ni Todoke, etc., it's been years since I last watched them and pretty much need to rewatch them again if I wanna remember the overall story. When it comes to the long running anime like Naruto & OP, they just stick with me. I get lost in the world building & the environments. I get invested in the characters and their relationships. Atp, the battle aspects of the battle shounen just supplement the story for me or hitting those dopamine rushes cause of how hype they are. Ofc, seasonal anime offer this experience too but it's just too staggered for me imo. AoT & JJK are great examples of that. This is why I prefer reading the manga over watching the anime. Then there's the whole aspect of "what do I watch now after x show ended?" when it comes to the seasonal shows. I always suggest OP but like I said in the beginning, ppl disregard it for such a baseless reason. There's always that post depression feeling when it comes to finishing a series. You're sad that you're not immersed in another world and their characters. Well, long running anime can provide that same experience over a consistent and lengthy duration. I get that committing to a long series is hard in general (not just anime) but if you're genuinely loving the experience, why does it matter that it has x amount of episodes? If you're having a great time with the series, then you're gonna wish it never ends. This is what OP fans try to convey to ppl but i get that the community is pretty toxic online. Finally, ik long running anime isn't sustainable when it comes to the anime/manga industry. We're seeing it firsthand with Oda & OP. The working conditions are gruesome. All we can do on our end is provide support and hope the industry reforms over the years. Sorry for the long comment LMAOO but I genuinely miss long running anime. Just really had to express my thoughts about it

6:04 And the superb characterization, particularly how the Straw Hats engaged during the festival in the Davy Back Fight arc on Adult Swim, captured my interest. The comedy was what sold me on it.

Honestly, I think that seasonal anime is the reason why I prefer reading manga when I start liking a series/looking on the jump app Unlike with seasonal anime, you’re mostly able to read manga every week/biweekly depending on breaks, so you have much more time to grow with them, unlike seasonal anime where you’re just kinda Watching for a bit Decide if you like the series or not It ends Happiness/sadness occurs (sadness normally for slice of lifes) So if I like an anime, I tend to just read the manga unless I can’t be bothered to, or if I just get spoiled for a series a bit I’ll prolly read the manga to avoid more spoilers Also, with reading manga, it’s great when a new anime becomes one of your favourites, you read the manga, a new season is coming out and then you can’t wait to see some specific moments pop up So yeah Manga’s great

My boy I’m still read DB Manga and most people I know read it still are doing it… We are just going on a hiatus because they are just retelling Super Hero

FMAB should not be considered long running. People forget it was a montly thing, and it is well written enough that you were an anime only (like me) you would find that narratively it has the feel of the harry potter novels. Just a good story constrained by the medium. A true long running shounen is negatively affected by the suits wanting a franchise. FMAB doesn't fall into that categorization.

you can condense the 1000 episodes of one piece into 200 maybe even 100 lol

Never even knew fairy tail was hated till I spent some time on the internet, I love fairy tail and love the music and world. Also started losing interest in anime the shorter they all got, even though I’ve also watched a lot of 12 episode anime’s over the years they were more slice of life and more grounded in our world, so I didn’t feel the need to know more about the world etc I’ve read a lot of manga and manwha now doe and even light novels Also feel like animation got too polished, there was a certain charm to animation style back in the day that just felt more charming to me. I didn’t even know anime was a thing till I moved to America at 13 and fell in love and watched so many but somewhere along the way I just found myself reading Manga more I did watch overlord, saga of Tanya and one punch man. And the first two is what even got me into reading light novels.

I read all chapters. best manga ever. one of the few I grew up reading week to week. few people I've met have read the manga which is sad because it was a good manga.

I agreed with you until your Shonen Jump Is Dying Segment. Jump has always axed manga the way they do now. Hell, standards as far as sales numbers go have been on a decline actually. Why that is, idk, because as someone who does read almost everything in Jump the current stuff is really good.

Man the 1980's. Ole boy. Akura, Hellsing, Dragonball, Sailor moon, Vampire Hunter D, and Ronin Warriors. Miss all those.

Great video! ❤ your commentary was fun. As I’ve gotten older- I can’t do long running anime like I could as a kid. One reason I could never do One Piece. Even AOT I thought was like only 3 seasons (and ended? My bad. Too late for that now. I got in deep. ). So I look forward to more quality over quantity these days. Enjoying JJK and Chainsaw Man. And still reading manga :)

Where's my hug??? Edit- AND MY KISS????

Quality vs Quantity, there is a fine balance between them.

Oh SABC 2...remember that Dub "Tell It Like It Is" ad that took like 3 minutes? Made me mad as hell while waiting for naruto

I don’t want 1080 episodes and half of it is filler and poor animation. JJK is no filler and I like that and if it reaches 80-120 episodes I’m content. I don’t need one piece levels of shit tbh.

Fairy Tail is close to my heart

long running shonens are only gonna be for mangas that are near completion or already done.

Damn a south african anime enthusiast youtuber

imo jujutsu Kaisen does kinda have a sense of imminent danger depending on how you interpret it. Out of the entire world japan has the strongest sorcerers, so if the sorcerers in Japan fail to stop sukuna then it is possible that they leave Japan and go to other countries.

Hmm, i can agree on hating the 12 episode format. Less an issue with it being a short span and more it being a forced span. If you've watched some seasonal anime then you'll get the gist of the pacing for every show by the end of episode 1. Gets stale fast. Series should be as long or short as they need to be. Cyberpunk works great as a short series, does everything it sets out to do. One piece works as an epic as thats accomplishing what it aims to do. As for the future all the current gen series are coming to and end and we'll just get something new. I'm old enough to think anything post 2008 is brand new still so seen plenty come and go. It'll be great for the industry and i think what ever comes next will be closer to the spirit of one piece than anything else, we're due a new adventure.