Heck, "Rhythm of War" is just "Die Hard in a magic tower"

If I understand lore correctly, the Nachoralist could stop a Shardblade if he manifested enough cheese around himself.

I cannot express how much of this podcast I've binge listened to while doing stuff around the house this past week. Thanks for this!

This is The Dan and Brandon Podcast. All podcasts wish they could be this podcast.

Reacher on Amazon Prime is the modern day 80s action protagonist.

Kaladins story in Rhythm of War is Die Hard with bigger stakes

I love Dan’s Mr. Monster shirt. Loved the series he wrote.

Dan's shirt reminded me, I finally bought 'I am not a serial killer,' read it in a day, loved it, and bought the rest of the books. Happy I finally got to it!

There's been a lot of talk about this in terms of the transition from Star Trek: Next Generation to Deep Space Nine to Voyager, where the 90's seemed to bring in more grimness and darkness with each passing year. The same thing happened in music. We went from the pop and glam of the 70's and 80's to grunge/alternative/heavy metal in the 90's. It wasn't just movies, but all of media was turning towards "gritty realism" during the 90's and early 2000's. Action heroes of the 80's just got replaced by newer, more popular themes.

The "cap on age" film premise was "Logan's Run", which is why your brain got it crossed with "The Running Man".

Dying to know what currently released movie Brandon is comparing to "Total Recall."

And Stephen King wrote Running Man under the pseudonym of Richard Bachman. Fun fact, he has a black Amex card with that name on it! I recognized him immediately when he came into the store I worked at years ago and used that card.

Has anyone noticed how often Van Damme has two roles in his movies. It's enough to fill it's own sub genre. Double Impact, Maximum Risk, Replicant and arguably Time Cop

The mention of Stålenhags art (tales from the loop) was really cool. I grew up extremely close to the area of the Swedish drawings so the feelings of weirdness from it hits extra hard.

I can’t believe they didn’t mention one of my favorite films of all time, Demolition Man!

Predator 2 is my favorite Predator movie and I don't think it gets enough love. Thank you Brandon!!

Typo on your title - it should be '80s, not 80's. (Or '80's if the 1980s are possessing the Action Hero). Nothing but love! 😊

I'd argue after 9\11 we went into spec ops\action squad in the desert movies. Jarhead, black hawk down, fury etc

I think Dan was thinking of "Hot Shots Part Deux" where it's all a spoof of Rambo, starring Charlie Sheen. It's comedic gold.

This was such worlds collide moment for me when Dan brought up Shane Black because The Nice Guys and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang two of my favorite movies ever.

Thank you for the recognition that the Fast and the Furious films 100% fall into this kind of cheesy, schlocky action film genre. In my head I kept going “what do you mean we didn’t see The Rock in those sorts of movies? That’s EXACTLY what the The Fast and the Furious movies became!” My own theory for the disappearance of 80s style action heroes is that the MCU evolved into sort of that role in the film market. So instead of implicitly superhuman protagonists who shrug off bullets and explosions with their abs and sheer testosterone, we now have explicitly superpowered heroes who can do superhuman things because… that’s just what we naturally expect superheroes to be able to do. And Marvel currently so dominates these sorts of over the top action blockbusters that it’s kind of suppressed competition in that particular arena. When the MCU bubble pops (and I think we’re seeing signs that that’s starting to happen) I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a little bit of a re-emergence as Hollywood drifts in a slightly different direction (my own personal prediction is toward more animated feature films).

I loved the Hulu Native American Predator film.

Timecop was hilarious, why did they have the wall which meant you died if you didnt get up to the required speed to go back in time😂

WAIT That's Dan Wells? He had me cracking up on the Elantris Foreward, I can't believe I just put two and two together.

"The guy who doesn't get up from chairs" holy crap I laughed too hard

Does UHF have the kill count? I thought that was Hot Shots. It has been a while since I have seen either one.

I think it’s because the shift was to martial arts. Kind of aligned to the “sleek combat”.

Dan, I just read all three of the Mirador books in the span of a week! They were so great! Some of my new favorite cyberpunk! :) Any plans for more?

The town the Nacholist was found in was not “Mary Ville” it is Murvul Tn

Passenger 59 was also Die Hard on a plane

You are absolutely right, the shift away from the ultra-machismo action hero occured because of 9/11. Our heroes changed in response to that event.

random trivia about the predator village scene, it was actually given to a second unit director to ratchet the camp up & contrast with the rest of the movie

I saw Total Recall unedited when I was 10 maybe, watched it at my friend's on a sleepover. It was the movie that got us banned from watching R rated movies as a kid, I thought it was way too cool though.

Adoooonalsium

I think Bad Boys is probably in the convo somewhere. Also The Nice Guys.

What movie are they talking about thats like total recall?!?

That's my secret: I'm always cheesy.

I grew up in Maryville!!

29:00 from what I understand, the Shane Black Predator in 2018 had a lot of studio interference, and he had a terrible experience making it. I'm forever waiting for another Shane Black film. The Nice Guys, and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang are some of my favorite movies, and Iron Man 3 is also my favorite Iron Man movie. I just want more from him.

TIME COP. Don't overlook Sudden Death, either. The only movie where Van Damme fights a person inside of a penguin costume.

You need to see new „Road House”😊

think the big reasons things changed were probably the increase in popularity of Asian culture and the huge tech boom in the 90's. bigger focus on both martial arts and technology. jackie chan and jet li became huge in the 2000's, same with movies like the matrix, equilibrium, aeon flux, etc. id also say the genre did continue a bit at least with stars like will smith. got movies like bad boys, independance day, men in black, yeah the lean more buddy cop but talk about some cheesy action movies

If you like 80s action movies, you need to play Farcry 3: Blood Dragon. It's an 80s action movie inspired video game, and a super fun, 6-8 hour campaign

Check out "Violent Night"! David Harbour is Santa and goes total 80s action hero on a whole bunch of mooks, including John Leguizamo as the big bad!

He's Nacho Man Nacho, Nacho Man Everybody wants to be A Nacho Man

I once heard that Batman liked the genre. That wearing a muscle suit replaced being roid huge and allowed Keanu Reeves to replace Arnold.

Dan, you were thinking of Stephen King's The Long Walk novella.

Walking Tall is the same type of concept as First Blood.

AHH 631 is back!? When was this filmed?

The kill count in the corner was Hot Shots Part Deux with Charlie Sheen.

I am definitely not a big muscly guy, thank you for noticing.

Rollerball (the original) is fantastic!!!!

Question to the fans! I have tried over and over to start WOK, and I just can't get through it. Im a huge fan of Tress and really enjoyed era 1 Mistborn. Any recommendations for where I should enter into the cosmere?

The naked man, covered in nacho cheese, smelled strongly of alcohol? No way!

Hobbs and Shaw as definitely one of these kinds of movie.

What a title

Bloodsport is a great one

His friends gave him a Nacho cheese girl. In his drunken stupor he held her, as she melted in his arms. Might not be a food heist after all just a strange food releated news event.

Did Brandon remember that The running man was written by Bachmann (Stephen king's pen name in the 80's) without knowing it? Interesting

Bloodsport gets my vote. KUMITE! KUMITE! KUMITE!

how did the first 40 seconds of the podcast not make it into a youtube short 🤣

I hope there’s Chuck Norris jokes

The obvious answer of what happened to these movies is staring you in the face... Modern superhero movies are the modern 80s action hero movies.... Superhero actors these days are way more roided up than 80s action heroes (except the former bodybuilders of course) we just excuse it by giving them superpowers :-) Also, when they mention modern Westerns, there also are modern Action Hero Equivalents (Expendables, Reacher etc. and some actors like Jason Statham seem to be living the 80s action hero wave for 40 years :-) ) It hasn't died, just isn't at the forefront.

Robocop is totally that genre

No one mentioned the Expendables, that was like a miniature Renaissance for a handful of years

I'd argue that RRR fits into this category.

When are you guys gonna talk about Dune part 2!!!???

If Predator is a horror movie that makes Arnie the final girl..

Robocop deserves more attention in relation to the 80s muscle man action flick, because it is a deliberate comment on those movies. The main protagonist becomes the strong action hero by being dehumanized but is only able to complete his journey by rediscovering his humanity. At the same time the prominent female lead is his colleague, not his romantic interest and she is definitely not a damsel in distress but can kick serious behind. Verhoeven also deliberately went overboard on the violence.

What about Walking Tall?

Semaine 20 du demande un épisode du Intentionally Blank a propos de la Fanfare Marche! French édition cause I’m in France!

Definitely nacho regular food heist.

Well, there are modern versions of this kind of action flick being made - look at Extraction 1 & 2 with Chris Hemsworth 😎

Where do we get the John Cleaver merch? 😮

The Nachoralist 😂

What about Universal Soldiers!

I want Brandon to decide to get into Boxing and get with some ambitious fellas who get him on a shredded for summer Daddy Bod cycle and a heavy lifting training regimen.

Hobbs n Shaw

The answer was Demolition Man

True lies and last action hero are great. I think a big deal why the classic action heros died that they were cheaper to produce which was a selling point. But with budgets ballooning the cost was no longer that important. We had a few like gladiator. But some of the superhero movies are kind of close on running on physical violence, they just cost more money and you can do more special effects.

Jean Claude Van Damm made a Die Hard in a Stadium.

A special limited series of Bolin playing the character Nuktuk in "The Adventures of Nuktuk: Hero of the South" ... from Avatar: Legend of Korra. Make it it's own thing and a special limited number of episodes ... live action ... 😅

Jason bourne , John Wick. These movies are the successors.

Is it me or are these getting shorter?

Lol they changed the title, guess "let's pour cheese on a naked man" was too much lol

So my theory from the nachoralist is that he was dipped in cheese by aliens who eat humans. He escaped with his life before he could be eaten, but can't tell the truth about what happened because he knows the aliens have infiltrated law enforcement and he'd be silenced.

If Dan gains more weight and beard he could look like Santa by Christmas.

No mention of I Come in Peace or Cobra.

All the Shane Black talk, and you dont mention that he basically created the buddy cop genre with Lethal Weapon

Made for tv movie named: Nothing But the Cheddar

If Die Hard counts then Indiana Jones counts too

That would be a Cheesus image, no?

i know this video is a month old but i need to know where i can buy brandons shirt, h e l p

Missed my favorite of the era: Conan the Barbarian!

The Nachouralist missed his calling- he could of put the buff in buffet.

I wonder if Nobody counts in this genre.

The AI art is really testing my desire to continue coming back for the podcast

B.S. misquoting AYPWIP may well be the unforgivable sin.

So was Popeye the first superhero?

The death of home video killed these types of movies. These movies made so so much of their money on home video.