The DEFINITIVE guide to draft racing (in Fire Emblem 6: The Binding Blade)

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dondon151

dondon151

2 жыл бұрын

What happens when I spend a month to prepare for a draft race, only for it to be cancelled?
Six more months of compulsively creating content, of course! If no one wants to race FE6, then fine, I'll do it myself.
I don't currently have an ETA for when the race VOD will be uploaded; I am still in the process of commentating that monster of a video. Some of your questions that I didn't address here will be answered there.
FE6 draft race rules: pastebin.com/8Kc7Wet4

Пікірлер: 233
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Predictions on winner? Beard and sunglasses, gold chain, sombrero, or the OG? (No cheating if you’ve watched me stream)
@namehere1535
@namehere1535 2 жыл бұрын
I'll sceam if it isn't ponpon151, such a skilled runner shouldn't be allowed to run against the likes of qonqon151
@Felissan
@Felissan 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, just taking a quick look at the drafts, it's obvious that Free is going to win. How did none of the other four chumps think of drafting a lord?
@wishonpleiades6288
@wishonpleiades6288 2 жыл бұрын
qonqon151 is definitely gonna win
@EdwardoFE
@EdwardoFE 2 жыл бұрын
Qonqon wins because he’s got Ogier and looks the coolest.
@chaosflash912
@chaosflash912 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna go watch the stream VOD now, rooting for the one who picked Wendy as a flunky!
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 2 жыл бұрын
you know what, he said I'm a skilled racer, we take those
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
It was a slip of the tongue
@adrianlombardo83
@adrianlombardo83 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon has evolved. He no longer even needs other people to race against, he’s just that powerful.
@lucynamarzec8000
@lucynamarzec8000 2 жыл бұрын
*Not enough people to do a draft race* Dondon: "Fine, i'll do it myself"
@Muuhiro1
@Muuhiro1 2 жыл бұрын
I've been facing the same dilema with one friend only; this came as a good solution for us. thanks
@DAN-gf3qx
@DAN-gf3qx 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon is clearly at a disadvantage, how is he supposed to hold the enemies without an armor knight.
@Sagite
@Sagite 2 жыл бұрын
Ponpon151 is such an incredible runner. Looking forward for his next run.
@Kanbei11
@Kanbei11 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that Dondon won the FE8 draft race whilst using the DK Bongos as a controller
@XandrianBro
@XandrianBro 2 жыл бұрын
I like how dondon randomized the draft pick order against himselfs.
@bluvius515
@bluvius515 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon finally realized that the only person that can stand up to him is himself. Great video too haha
@RLCLONED
@RLCLONED 2 жыл бұрын
I’m ready to see 4 galaxy brains collide and become a universe brain
@Exorion
@Exorion 2 жыл бұрын
My money's on the OG Don. He showed us time and time again how to outdraft other skilled racers so I believe he will succeed against any challenger. Aside from that: friggin' great video, highly informative, easy to understand and enjoyable as always. Looking hella forward to the 151 Free-for-all.
@hyokina8276
@hyokina8276 2 жыл бұрын
It's not only that the content of the video is great as usual and that the level of explanation is so much on point. Or that dondon is casually dropping a video on YT after a whole year of silence (so good to have him back!). Or his humor and all the little jokes. Or that he is even teasing to upload his former runs here as well. But can we point out how great the video editing is (as nobody seems to have done so) and how much work it might have been? It's not that I'm writing comments often, but this time I really have to say thanks for such a fantastic video! Keep up that amazing work, even if we have to wait patiently for future ones. :)
@PC-ni6bp
@PC-ni6bp 2 жыл бұрын
The drafting process reminds me a lot of when I read about game theory with stuff like the prisoners dilemna and stag hunt scenarios, where you use the optimal strategies to predict other players' decisions
@funkyflunky9882
@funkyflunky9882 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the secret boss and 5th party, dondon152, to crash the party and win the race with only free and undrafted units
@MetaDash
@MetaDash 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting you picked FE6 since there's one caveat I thought of - using undrafted sue/shin to get to sacae for dayan (since ilia is default) Anyways, cool video idea! Only watched draft races but they're intriguing in themselves.
@aleph5783
@aleph5783 2 жыл бұрын
Trust nobody. Not even yourself. Trust nobody. Fire Emblem.
@megamanzero29
@megamanzero29 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon didn’t just return he came back with 4 of himself
@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi
@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi 2 жыл бұрын
It might be interesting to watch a draft race like this where all 4 of the same people ONLY do denial picks.
@Nino4999th
@Nino4999th 2 жыл бұрын
The long awaited draft race viseo is finally here and it features 4 times more dondon than we expected! Really excited to see which dondon prevails.
@ikefromsmashbros9237
@ikefromsmashbros9237 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched a lot of draft races, but I've never really grasped the meta. This video fixed it. Great explanations of the draft philosophy in FE6! Looking forward to your next upload 6 months from now!
@Killamajigg
@Killamajigg 2 жыл бұрын
When you were really looking forward to something and literally split your personality 4 ways so you can still do it.
@snowballglobe5176
@snowballglobe5176 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see more of these btw--i come back to this video like every month
@lolosyntonia
@lolosyntonia 2 жыл бұрын
as someone with only very basic draft racing knowledge, it was really interesting to see this deep analysis, and how far the picks can be optimised, especially with the presentation quality. would love to see more of this style if there's anything planned.
@vexuria
@vexuria 2 жыл бұрын
Yoder as 2nd pick sounds extremely dank and im all for it
@vexuria
@vexuria 2 жыл бұрын
also, goes without saying but, this was an amazing video dondon, i watched it all with peak interest even if i have never done a draft before
@MrThespyman
@MrThespyman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dondon. I recently talked my friend into doing this sort of thing, so having this sort of thing helps us out a lot in terms of having the mindset in terms of team building. So again, thank you for the spectacular groundwork established here.
@baptisteplaquevent7957
@baptisteplaquevent7957 4 ай бұрын
arriving a bit after the party but super interesting, hyped to watch the run itself soon!
@dectorey7233
@dectorey7233 2 жыл бұрын
Oh goodness I'd love to see this with other games drafted too!! Such a great guide
@FIFAmusicMAN
@FIFAmusicMAN 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched a lot of draft races and never realized the details to which these preparations can go. A great vid that also really helped open my eyes to appreciate it more!
@NeviTheLettyFan
@NeviTheLettyFan 2 жыл бұрын
Great work, really informative and easy to follow
@sigmaklim2532
@sigmaklim2532 2 жыл бұрын
This was such a good video. Your edited content is always top notch.
@dryzalizer
@dryzalizer 2 жыл бұрын
This video is an instant classic, lots of nice little extras thrown in with the editing too. I look forward to the self-race!
@oEllery
@oEllery 2 жыл бұрын
This video was fascinating. I don't think I could do anything like this myself, but it's still really interesting to hear someone else talk about it in such depth. I'm looking forward to seeing how the race goes.
@acsu96
@acsu96 2 жыл бұрын
Alpha zero is taking notes... Ready for the dondon151 extended cinematic universe now
@acsu96
@acsu96 2 жыл бұрын
Also took me embarrassingly long to realize d b q and p are d with symmetry operations applied
@garret4075
@garret4075 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Awesome video as always. Draft racing and the prep that goes into it is a super interesting topic that isn’t discussed/broken down enough in my opinion. The production quality and all the visuals were the cherry on top. Shoutout to the enemy phase music starting when denial picks were mentioned.
@JP54704
@JP54704 2 жыл бұрын
It seems that all these months doing streams finally paid off. And the video is really nicely editted. Thanks for the good content as usual Mr. Dondon.
@Colteor7761
@Colteor7761 2 жыл бұрын
Me and my friends have been practicing and doing draft races of the GBA games and they've been a ton of fun! Thanks for making this video to get more people into the format.
@M0D776
@M0D776 2 жыл бұрын
I am *BASKING* on this new dondon151 content! Also, my bets go on Sombrero don, though OG don seems like a winner too...
@charliemew2
@charliemew2 2 жыл бұрын
You make the best FE Content on KZfaq. Absolutely love your detailed explanations. Very excited to see the outcome.
@tim0boy891
@tim0boy891 2 жыл бұрын
This is just the kind of video I needed to fully understand what draft racing is all about and I have to say... It's pretty cool.
@reubenbailey7491
@reubenbailey7491 7 ай бұрын
Man, this was one great video! Cleared up any and all issues I could have had with draft racing! Maybe I should do an FE8 one some time soon to ease me into it...
@isaacfreeman98
@isaacfreeman98 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon's been my favourite youtuber of recent, I regularly check in to see if there's a new upload and have re-watched his FE6&7 runs several times now. I've never played Thracia or Marth's games, hence have tried avoiding Dondon's runs of them until I someday get around to playing them. I thought I'd leave a message to say keep it up, looking forward to the draft race vid (although Bonbon's clearly the superior player and gonna win) and thanks for the content!
@bladecommando
@bladecommando 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea I wanted to learn more about the mechanics of draft racing. I'm kind of annoyed that I enjoyed this. Thank.. you.. ?
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Mission failed successfully
@palatonian9618
@palatonian9618 2 жыл бұрын
So pumped for these
@mikewazowski7024
@mikewazowski7024 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely good video IMO! This inspired me to organise a draft race for the first time with other first-timers. It sounds really fun!
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Which game?
@mikewazowski7024
@mikewazowski7024 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely FE7!
@SilentVinyl
@SilentVinyl 2 жыл бұрын
Imaginary boxing but for the draft racing
@sernanion
@sernanion 2 жыл бұрын
Yooooooo you're back I'm so happy
@hues_of_neon
@hues_of_neon 2 жыл бұрын
How unexpected! Fr this came out great! 😄
@grayfox8310
@grayfox8310 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video love the content!
@kevinteraji8031
@kevinteraji8031 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! It would be really cool to see this for FE7 and 8 to
@luggerthemun322
@luggerthemun322 2 жыл бұрын
Yay a Dondon upload! It’s a good day
@DaniDoyle
@DaniDoyle 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon immediately opens with SHADE!
@danp6658
@danp6658 2 жыл бұрын
It's been one year and we get 4 different dondon151 racers :oooo. I'm excited for the draft race results!
@DrMasterAlex
@DrMasterAlex 2 жыл бұрын
Really good video king. I predict the team with Lance will get first place
@isuckatgaming1873
@isuckatgaming1873 2 жыл бұрын
Now that I think about it, I've only every watched draft race content relative to fe7 So this is basically new to me
@DefeatistElitist
@DefeatistElitist 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for blessing your thirsty viewers with this wonderful gift of rain
@zigludo
@zigludo 2 жыл бұрын
this showed up in my news feed on mobile google chrome for some reason 10/10 would watch fe6 draft news again
@maxyaju4293
@maxyaju4293 2 жыл бұрын
Very excited to see how this ends up! The preparation to it seems to be insane I don't blame the others for dropping the idea. 12:40 This is Hugh erasure you'll pay for this Dondon.
@xxshadowzxx0091
@xxshadowzxx0091 2 жыл бұрын
This is my first time watching your Channel this video is well informed on draft races I'm glad you just didn't assume everybody knows how draft races work. I watch enough draft races didn't know that the rules varies on the host in his party to keep things interesting but some poor soul may not know what's going on
@gamefreeck90
@gamefreeck90 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing if you’ll make the actual race video like this one or if you’ll record all four races and then set them up like a mock draft race and commentate as if it was a live race lol Either way would make for a great video
@jormundly164
@jormundly164 2 жыл бұрын
This is great content
@afrostygayboy
@afrostygayboy 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most insane shit I’ve ever seen and I love it
@DarkSol13
@DarkSol13 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon out here taking fighting your own demons to a whole other level
@TyreeseTheAscendedOne
@TyreeseTheAscendedOne 2 жыл бұрын
This is interesting. I like watching draft races.
@Bulkynemesis4534
@Bulkynemesis4534 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong Astolfo dondon lmao This was a very interesting video to watch.
@CardboardBlueMage
@CardboardBlueMage 2 жыл бұрын
Qonqon151's sneaky Thea recruitment loophole abuse is a truly disgusting way of bending the rules, I hope he takes it.
@tippinscalez7194
@tippinscalez7194 2 жыл бұрын
Holy fuck dondon you're the best and the most savage draft racer, mans bringing the heat 🔥🥵
@athath2010
@athath2010 2 жыл бұрын
Are there situations in some draft races where it's actually optimal to intentionally perform a banned action/use an undrafted unit and just eat the penalty, due to the banned action saving more time than the penalty adds? Or are the penalties generally so severe that breaking the rules basically puts you out of the race unless everyone else breaks the rules as well?
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Usually the penalties should be designed to entirely discourage banned actions. But there was an instance in an FE13 draft race where the penalty for skipping an enemy phase was light enough that you could benefit from doing it in specific circumstances. For less experienced racers, sometimes they need to deploy a banned unit to get themselves out of a tough situation.
@WadeBembenek
@WadeBembenek 2 жыл бұрын
everyone flaked on dondon so he said "ok, I guess I'll play by myself."
@tjroybaker7964
@tjroybaker7964 2 жыл бұрын
Having only done a single (and much more casual) draft run of Conquest I wasn’t quite sure why anyone would feel unprepared to take part in the event. Having now watched the video (and assuming everyone is playing to win) I can definitely see why now.
@speedysnorlax
@speedysnorlax 2 жыл бұрын
Really informative and interesting video! My money's on gold chain
@funguy183
@funguy183 2 жыл бұрын
Who needs friends, if you can just clone yourself? Btw, my bet goes to the sombrero guy. He looks dope.
@TechnoFall42
@TechnoFall42 2 жыл бұрын
This is getting out of hand! Now, there are four of them!
@Marcus-jg4jb
@Marcus-jg4jb 2 жыл бұрын
I'm liking Ponpon for this run. I think he's got the stuff.
@Drayze1
@Drayze1 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you, you mad genius.
@CyanYoh
@CyanYoh 2 жыл бұрын
My money's on sombrero man.
@jeff-mv5up
@jeff-mv5up 2 жыл бұрын
“fine, i’ll do it myself.”
@edgar2810
@edgar2810 2 жыл бұрын
It's a miracle
@ZirexNorcruin
@ZirexNorcruin 2 жыл бұрын
I've never played FE6 and barely know anything about it. Going by what was said in this video, since all Dondon's are really prepared for it, I go for Gold Chain qonqon151. He is a risk taker but his knowledge of the game allows him to make the most of it. Big risk big rewards baby, let's gooooooooooooo!
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact : Base Clarine can warpskip ch14x at base
@Toddchanw
@Toddchanw 2 жыл бұрын
Dondon is back
@MorphBall1
@MorphBall1 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see this kind of draft race preparation guide for Radiant Dawn.
@VanguardJohnson
@VanguardJohnson 2 жыл бұрын
Where can I sub to qonqon151, bonbon151 and ponpon151? Originally I thought there was only 1 fire emblem god, there are 4?!
@rkraccoons
@rkraccoons 2 жыл бұрын
Love the n0ne-esque alternate dondon personas
@astoocities
@astoocities 2 жыл бұрын
new dondon video dropped this is so epic
@avariceshadow8644
@avariceshadow8644 2 жыл бұрын
babe wake up, new dondon video dropped
@Flametix
@Flametix 2 жыл бұрын
I think ponpon has the most dominant earlygame with Bors and Wolt
@Sim23.
@Sim23. 2 жыл бұрын
Well this is a surprise 😱
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 2 жыл бұрын
I like dondon with a sombrero, seems a fine choice.
@smooshandchill4724
@smooshandchill4724 2 жыл бұрын
I luv dondon
@polecats6922
@polecats6922 2 жыл бұрын
love this analysis, will you do draft analysis for other games in the series too?
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Doubtful, the amount of prep work is huge. But since I've done part of the legwork on FE7 and FE8, I guess I can't rule them out entirely.
@hong-zhi6093
@hong-zhi6093 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great vid. Question: Why doesn't Garret work as a left Hero killer in your "denial pick" example? I don't know the exact calcs, but he should at least have some crit on the Hero, especially if you can get Killer Axe in 17I, and if hit is an issue recruiting Geese for Swordreaver shouldn't cost too much time.
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Great question. There's a few reasons: - Garret usually gets quadded by the left hero, who has 14-15 AS to Garret's base of 10 in normal mode. - Garret takes 14 or 16 damage per hit depending on if he's using a Swordreaver or other axe. If he gets quadded, he's ORKO'd. Even if he is only doubled, he still takes way too much damage. - His hit rate, even with the Swordreaver, is only around 66, while the hero's hit rate on Garret is around 82. With any other axe, Garret's hit drops to 50 or less. - Garret doesn't actually OHKO the hero with a Swordreaver crit. Basically, Garret has to attack up close. And if he attacks up close, he can get blown up really easily. Some of the time he might win, but your strategy can't rely on Garret winning some of the time while the other hero killers win pretty much all of the time with ranged attacks.
@VanguardJohnson
@VanguardJohnson 2 жыл бұрын
I never considered ray or Hugh as a hero killer. Could you elaborate why they're candidates? Is it cause they're expected to have 12+ AS? Nosferatu? Or kill at 2 range in one round?
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
@@VanguardJohnson The hero only has a Brave Sword, so you can just attack him from 2-range and he can't do anything. But you also have to have enough power / accuracy to kill him before turn 11, when a Physic bishop shows up.
@FiboSai
@FiboSai 2 жыл бұрын
This felt like watching a game theoretical analysis of a draft race. Under the assumption that all 4 players have perfect information and the same, known playstyle, there seems to be a drafting order that is unique up to the characters that are interchangeable (like Chad and Astolfo). Nobody has any insentives change their picks, as this would result in them potentially getting screwed over, so this pick order is essentially a Nash equilibrium. One thing I'm still questioning is whether player 1 picking one of the cavaliers first is in any way viable. You mentioned that player two is basically forced to pick Milady due to the risk of players 3 and 4 picking the two warp users and ruining your draft. But to my understanding, this should also apply to player 1. And if that is true, your playstyle is essentially forced upon you from the moment you are assigned your place at the draft table. Players 1 and 2 will run a flying carry and players 3 and 4 will run a cavalier carry. You are free to correct me if I'm wrong.
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, actually in most FE draft races there is a known optimal sequence of picks based on draft order. If P1 picks what should be a P4 pick, they'll be disadvantaged (though usually this is because the P4 pick is the weakest).
@Artemas_16
@Artemas_16 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, DonDon lives! Again!
@Klaire_Fluffle
@Klaire_Fluffle 2 жыл бұрын
Still sad that this never happened
@nathankeel6667
@nathankeel6667 2 жыл бұрын
If no one can keep up you only need to race yourself
@kalavothe9275
@kalavothe9275 2 жыл бұрын
This video is the type of shit that will blow your channel up
@lthc_hiryu
@lthc_hiryu 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I really enjoy high-level gameplay discussion of Fire Emblem but it's not something that's common in FE fan creations compared to discussion about characters/story. 2:30 I know that you don't play Fates, but I don't recall what makes Corrin less essential to beating the game than Eirika/Ephraim/Marth, at least enough to consider her (kind of) essential relative to the FE8 lords.
@DD151
@DD151 2 жыл бұрын
Corrin is a "kind of" because she isn't truly free. Past some point she (or he) is banned from use except as a guard stance partner.
@chrismercedes4
@chrismercedes4 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this for Awakening yes you can brake the game faster with your units but I'd love to see peoples thoughts about it
@meta1429
@meta1429 2 жыл бұрын
Draft Racing against yourself? This feels like going up against your old Ghost record on Mario Kart, nonetheless I'm excited for this. As for the winner? Gotta go with the OG DonDon, knock him dead.
@eyegunkeyegunk6280
@eyegunkeyegunk6280 2 жыл бұрын
5 month old video, but I believe bonbon might have made a mistake in his drafting strategy. Based on the characterization in the video, there is no expected time difference between Alan and Lance, but Saul saves a minute vs Niime. If bonbon first picked Saul, dondon would be forced to pick his preferred cav and Niime, bonbon could then pick up the 2nd cav and be (theoretically) a minute ahead of dondon.
@eyegunkeyegunk6280
@eyegunkeyegunk6280 2 жыл бұрын
Note if bonbon is still able to pick up ray in the 3rd round under this scenario he would completely fill his roster needs leaving his 4th pick open for risk mitigation (such as using qonqon's Thea strat) or a denial pick to hurt whoever he is afraid of most.
@DD151
@DD151 Жыл бұрын
Good points. I didn't display this in text on the video, but Alen is better than Lance on average. If Alen gets a little spd screwed he's still generally fine; if Lance gets a little str screwed then he can bleed a lot of time early on. Alen also generally has better accuracy from his support affinity and it's hard to quantify how much time that saves in a run.
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