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The Design Problems of The Rolex Explorer ii 216570

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IDGuy

IDGuy

5 жыл бұрын

A brief discussion about the Rolex Explorer 2. The conversation looks at the watches design development, starting with the 1655 and follows how the series of watches changed over the years.
#polarexplorer #rolexexplorer2 #explorer216570

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@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
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@npcforyou
@npcforyou 5 жыл бұрын
Simply put, I love my 42mm polar. My 12 watch collection includes 4 Rolex (explorer 2 polar, gmt II black, stainless Yaughtmaster II, 2tone datejust) The Polar is my daily go to watch. I’m 73 and this one is the easiest on my eyes. It’s precise, simple and understated. Great video. Thanks!
@mikemush9741
@mikemush9741 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment M. I've owned a number or Rolexes over the years but the black Explorer II has been my go to watch for years. I'm 46 years old and I've always wondered how the Explorer II and I would age together. I thought over time I might find it too big, but your feedback has alleviated that worry! Glad you're enjoying your polar Explorer II!
@Pulsonar
@Pulsonar 4 жыл бұрын
The Polar EXP 2 is a basic, bold but a great looking watch. Im not much of a spring chicken myself, so your comment about the watch being easiest on the eyes is one of the main reasons why I would buy one.
@oaktree1628
@oaktree1628 4 жыл бұрын
Yacht
@trailblazer_man8644
@trailblazer_man8644 5 жыл бұрын
Well, i’m a mountaineer and my 216570 get the job done perfectly. Maybe all the suit guys should get a daydate 🙄. Explorer is a toolwatch ! Great video by the way 👍
@thebillyflintexperience119
@thebillyflintexperience119 4 жыл бұрын
Trailblazer_man very true, I’m a world traveler and I’m often in ancient ruins and in caves and the first watch I grab to travel with me is the 216570 👍🏾
@sdcoinshooter
@sdcoinshooter 4 жыл бұрын
Well I’m not as adventurous as you two, I’d get lost, hurt, or lost and hurt if I tried either one of those activities, but I am a commercial pilot and love my 216570. I know, I know, I’m supposed to be wearing a GMT, but I find the 42MM size of the EXII so much easier to read.
@anilec333
@anilec333 4 жыл бұрын
So it hard to get any job if I wear a Casio g-shock?😂😂
@jerretkirouac7038
@jerretkirouac7038 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah just get a daydate. $35,000 is no big deal. Am I right fellas?
@giorgiodelpalatinato6718
@giorgiodelpalatinato6718 5 жыл бұрын
You are pressure fueling us with knowledge the industry won‘t like us to have. Your videos are lessons, compared to your concentrated input other KZfaq authors just chat about their watch passion. In this case it was just the right thing to put the old version next to the new one: self explanatory 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Giorgio! I always wanted these discussion to be more focused on insight...even though they can be heavily opinionated at times. But it's so fun talking about watches like you would Art or Design instead of just objects that are a part of a hobby. I just hope that the subjects keep everyone else interested! Thanks for the comment, man. Greatly appreciated
@TheKatava
@TheKatava 5 жыл бұрын
I have the polar 42mm and love it! To me much better than the 40mm
@hichambenmira
@hichambenmira 5 жыл бұрын
This is a nice watch. But if i would choose, I would go for the Explorer 1. I love the simplicity of it. I love you videos and the way you look at the watches from your perspective. Would it be possible to make a video about the Seiko Marinemaster ? Can not wait for the next video. Have a good weekend
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Hicham! Support always means a lot. And I also have a draw to the Explorer 1 over the 2, but the 1655 is just something out of this world. And yes! I am going to make a point to discuss the Marine Master. Excellent suggestion! Thank you again for the comment and have a great weekend, man
@FABM27
@FABM27 5 жыл бұрын
Hicham Benmira Its simply ‘the explorer’ and not ‘the explorer 1’ 👍🏻
@FatSamEIE
@FatSamEIE 5 жыл бұрын
@guess what not as low as a KZfaq troll like you though
@blueshirtbuddah1665
@blueshirtbuddah1665 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you ID Guy for the comprehensive videos on the Rolex Explorers. As a proud owner of both the 39mm 214270 Mk 1 Explorer, as well as the 42mm 216570 Explorer 2 Polar, I can tell you that they are both fantastic tool watches. While I don't agree with all of your conclusions, I do agree that for the larger wristed person (I have a 7 1/2" wrist) they are close to perfect both proportionally and legibility wise. They are prized pieces in my collection.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the fantastic comments, Blueshirt. It's just my pedantic, OCD brain that sees these "issues" and I know that I'm in the minority here. Who am I kidding? All of the watches are excellent performing machines with so much to offer and I hope you enjoy wearing them in good health!
@edwardclark4043
@edwardclark4043 5 жыл бұрын
Blueshirt Buddah me to
@jonathanland2218
@jonathanland2218 3 жыл бұрын
I love my Ex2 polar. It’s fabulous - I have GMT2; Daytona; SDDS B; Pepsi and Bluesey Sub. The Ex2 gets more wrist time than any of the others. This watch isn’t too big - it has presence; it’s readable and beautiful dial are perfect. I much prefer it to the previous 5 digit model. The 42 is much better - the orange GMT hand is a significant enhancement and more legible that in inconspicuous red GMT hand on the previous model. Yes your view does differ from the majority; furthermore, your view won’t change a thing.
@fredc7963
@fredc7963 Жыл бұрын
Same. John mayer Daytona. Rootbeer. Dssd. Hulk and ex2 gets the most wristtime. Everytime I put on the ex2 I feel like I'm ready for an adventure :p
@sealevelbear
@sealevelbear 5 жыл бұрын
Ex. 2 is my favorite Rolex. Any of them, but the current black dial in 42mm is so charming in the metal.
@nicholasevennett8231
@nicholasevennett8231 5 жыл бұрын
The unloved Rolex sports models... we all know how this story ends, right?
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! Maybe that's what they're going for? It's a genius idea! Why not bring out a "Tudor P01" style line that deliberately splits the fan base (and let it skyrocket in value over the next decade) Thanks for the comment, Nicholas
@GaryToftheNorth
@GaryToftheNorth 3 жыл бұрын
Lol nah, you must have dainty wrists. The 216570 has great proportions and is much more visually stunning than the previous gen. Don't be so afraid of change man. Entertaining rant though.
@trailblazer_man8644
@trailblazer_man8644 3 жыл бұрын
I hear ya’ brother 👊
@mrg1911
@mrg1911 5 жыл бұрын
I bought my first new Rolex (Submariner) 40 years ago, and my only Watch regret is NOT buying a 1655 back then too. I’ve bought the 16570 and gave it to a kid after wearing it 20 years, and purchased multiple 216570 in recent years. My favorite Rolex one-two combo is a 214270 Explorer and the 216570 Explorer-II.....over ANY watches they’ve ever made. Thanks!
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
So many people are kicking themselves about the 1655...I would love to know how they were considered back then. And it's great to hear that you are a dedicated Explorer enthusiast! They sure beat the usual GMT's and Sub's of this world as being more nuanced. Thank you for the great comments as always, man
@rootedrotor525
@rootedrotor525 5 жыл бұрын
I own both a 214270 and a 216570 Polar. My only watches.
@impexRQ
@impexRQ 4 жыл бұрын
I think (after I seeing it in person) it’s perfect as it’s right now. The legibility is the best you can have in any Rolex and actually it’s very comfortable in the wrist (no like the SD43 or Deepsea Blue which are totally uncomfortable) I hope Rolex don’t change the design or do not add a ceramic bezel ...
@steveabplanalp1657
@steveabplanalp1657 Жыл бұрын
I have the reference 16570 black dial circa 2010 and just purchased the 226570 black dial. Both watches are fantastic in my opinion and made to be worn without worrying about scratches or dings. A proper tool watch that will last a lifetime no problem.
@bobrouleau7410
@bobrouleau7410 5 жыл бұрын
ID Guy I recognize your dislike of negative space.On the other hand the maxi dial with enlarged markers is more readable and especially at night. In other words more functional. Its prime function is time keeping after all.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
I mentioned a few times that the size increase helps overall legibility but it just bugs me that the proportions seem all over the place. That's not saying that the 16570's are perfect either (their plots are pin pricks in comparison) All of these small areas can be tweaked in the future though and maybe the next generation will come with a fully lumed bezel (here's hoping) Thanks for the great comments as always, man.
@blueshirtbuddah1665
@blueshirtbuddah1665 5 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you my friend!
@bladediver
@bladediver 5 жыл бұрын
I like the explorer 2 and considered it strongly when searching for my one and only Rolex. I was lucky enough to have a friend let me borrow his new model for a couple of days and I just didn’t connect with it. I loved the idea of the date and gmt function but it was just too big and, for lack of a better term, odd on wrist. I went with a 114270 from 2008 and 6 months later I am 100% certain that my humble explorer in 36mm is the greatest watch I will ever own. A customer of mine who shares a passion for watches saw it and summed it up perfectly when he said “Ahh you got an explorer? That’s a watch that says you’re so good, you don’t have to let anyone know it.” That’s the only person to ever compliment that watch and I just love that.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Love that comment from your customer, Mitch! And it's exactly right. Since the brand is so recognisable nowadays, it is infinitely more cooler to wear watches that the average joe wouldn't recognise. That's why I feel so strongly for the 1655. It has such a crazy, outlandish design...but at the same time doesn't look like a Rolex in the slightest. Great comment, man and thank you for sharing! Continue wearing your 114270 in good health, brother
@bladediver
@bladediver 5 жыл бұрын
IDGuy too bad that reference is so crazy expensive or I would have loved to have one. I may eventually procure another Rolex some day but it took a long time and a lot of luck buying and selling watches to get my little explorer and I’m just so over the moon about it I can’t see the need for anything else. I kind of feel bad for the other watches I have in my collection as they have been in the safe a lot more since I got it. The decision was made easily when the one I bought had box and papers, was in mint condition and had the words “ENJOY YOUR TIME” engraved on the case back. One day I’ll pass it down and I’ll be proud to do so and even that fact makes me so happy to own it. Your videos are amazing and I hope you keep up the phenomenal work!
@cwilli6009
@cwilli6009 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your wonderful videos. But, as a person with a larger wrist, I need a larger watch, like 42 mm. If the Explorer 2 was not 42 mm, I would not own it. I do agree on your other points.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Completely understandable! All of us wish to be blessed with larger wrists and I'm sure the watch works perfectly for you. Who am I kidding? The 216570 is a fantastic tool. It's just my OCD, Pedantic brain that sees a few peculiar things with its proportions. Thanks so much for the comment, Chris! Keep wearing your Explorer in good health!
@sdjohnston67
@sdjohnston67 5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how your videos always bring about intelligent critical thinking about watch design in your audience. Even if I don't agree with everything, you help me to understand better what sort of design approaches I find truly inspiring and attractive and why.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Scott! And that is exactly it. I try my hardest to keep my opinions out of it (as much as possible) and try to centre the discussions around the approaches taken. It just makes the whole "watch experience" that little bit more layered and I hope engaging in some way. Thanks for the comment, man!
@sdjohnston67
@sdjohnston67 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy for sure. Your stuff gives a very interesting invitation to the mind and a way to ponder things that no one else I've seen is offering. Even an analysis of a watch I doubt I would ever be in a position to buy, or may not find that appealing, is still worth watching because I can still discover new trains of thought, new design frameworks, that I can bring with me to thinking about other watches. For most other watch reviews, if I'm not personally interested in the specific watch, there isn't much reason for me to watch it. Not so for your stuff!
@robertjohnson443
@robertjohnson443 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos but have to totally disagree with you. The large hands and clear dial are the 216570's best features. Of the 18 Rolex watches I have owned, none is as clear and legible as the current 42mm Explorer II. That is what makes it my go-to watch. It's also why my black dial 216570 has received more wrist time than the other 17 combined. True wasted space is a bezel that's too thick. You can't have too much dial.
@SSI1911
@SSI1911 5 жыл бұрын
The 16570 Polar got me into the hobby but I replaced it with a 216570 Polar as it is a better watch with its solid instead of hollow bracelet, solid clasp, better movement and blue lume, if it had been 40mm it would have been perfect, I have a 7 3/8 wrist, my Polar Daytona I can barely read but the 216570 is so bold and legible it serves it's purpose and get's the majority of work wrist time as intended.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It's great to hear that the watch serves you well! And I feel the same way about the dimensions. Hell, the watch might have looked amazing if they had given it a Supercase instead, or just fattened up the lugs slightly like they did with the 1655. 40mm's is such a golden ratio size. Thank you for the comment, René. I hope you continue wearing both pieces in good health
@SSI1911
@SSI1911 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-GuyThank you and to be honest my Explorer II gets the most wrist time and the Z Blue Milgauss on the weekend since my Porsche is a Smurf Mexico Blue and I see Gulf Livery in the Z blue, great channel and content as always, looking forward to the next, 116619LB? :-)
@jcnole77
@jcnole77 8 ай бұрын
finally a comment that makes sense. ty for the wrist size
@Golden3ye
@Golden3ye 4 жыл бұрын
it takes a special skill to spout your opinion as thought it was fact and not feel weird about it.
@grandsicko8580
@grandsicko8580 5 жыл бұрын
I own both. I prefer the 42mm.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, Mike. Do you prefer the modern feel of the newer reference? Fully understandable. Thanks for the comment!
@grandsicko8580
@grandsicko8580 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy My 2019 black dial feels more substantial, in regard to build quality. I have a 2004 Polar, which looks beautiful, but doesn't feel as robust. The 40mm looks good in Polar although, the 42mm looks good in black. A white dial on the 42mm makes the watch look big.
@austinzizzi1142
@austinzizzi1142 4 жыл бұрын
What size is your wrist?
@grandsicko8580
@grandsicko8580 4 жыл бұрын
@@austinzizzi1142 7.5cm
@Jay-xr3sb
@Jay-xr3sb 3 жыл бұрын
@@grandsicko8580 well thats the thing, I would love a modern take on the older polar. Keep it at 40mm, new bracelet, same red hour hand style and maxi dial the markers. Thats it.
@scottsj4625
@scottsj4625 5 жыл бұрын
I like the Explorer II in 40mm. The 42mm seems like a much larger watch. I like the smaller case on the older 5 digit ones. I wish I would have bought one back in the day when they were far less expensive. Was kind of an oddball at the time and not all that popular. It's a great watch and thank you for your effort on this video. I did enjoy it.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, Scott! I am going to play with a concept of putting the watch into a semi-supercase just to see how the proportions would change. And it's insane to see how far the prices of the 90's and 2000's pieces have skyrocketed lately...it makes my wish of owning one of these pieces more and more distant haha!
@jcnole77
@jcnole77 8 ай бұрын
Man it sure would be nice to know what your wrist size is. Everyone keeps saying the 42 is big but if you have a 6.25 wrist then of course
@scottsj4625
@scottsj4625 8 ай бұрын
Its 6.8 inches last I checked but might be smaller, I lost 30 lbs in weight@@jcnole77
@jespervver4181
@jespervver4181 5 жыл бұрын
This format is what we’re been missing. Thank you!
@commentjedi
@commentjedi 5 жыл бұрын
Steinhart seems to make improvements on where Rolex left off. I like their version of a 1655. Also their Dual Time with its fume' polar dial within a Pepsi GMT color scheme.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It is stunning. I'm no so much of a fan of the 42mm size of their 1655 though (there seems to be way too much open space on the dial) but I would like to see one in person. How cool would it be to see the watch return, being made by another brand? Thanks for the greats comments as always, Jēzus!
@xpusostomos
@xpusostomos 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, the Steinhardt explorer is top of my list and better than an old Rolex, cheaper too!
@commentjedi
@commentjedi 5 жыл бұрын
xpusostomos It's till called an Ocean vintage 'GMT'. They could have made it a rotating bezel. Better still.
@para_bellum_1984
@para_bellum_1984 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats the 1655 imho. It's superior to its successors in every single way except for it not having GMT functionality. The lucky owner would simply be wearing a museum piece, a true collector's watch. Dankie for another great analysis, boet.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
I'd wear the watch as my only watch for the rest of my life (and it sure would be a happy life haha!) I'll be making another video about it in the future just for the hell of it. Thanks for the great comments as always, boet!
@williamwu2724
@williamwu2724 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how people complain about Rolex incremental change and when the brand update their watch for better, fans responded with dislikes. 216570 is more thoughtful, better looking of the two. 16570 is Rolex trying to be lazy using the same parts with GMT. Release of 226570 further proof 216570 wasn’t a “design mistake”. Rolex want it to be BIG.
@fifthpint4571
@fifthpint4571 5 жыл бұрын
Talking about how the unoccupied space on the dial is a wasted, what are your thoughts on watches like Breitling Superocean II (e.g. A17365D11C1A1)? Better to have the additional digits, or is that a step too far? Thanks!
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent question and I want to do a video about it. I really, really enjoy the numerals on the dial. And it doesn't take a trained eye to see how well they were considered (having the 24 hour time placed in the inside is just another touch) In its current state (many would say it's cluttered) but I find it extremely well balanced and the space has been used very well, keeping the emphasis on the larger numerals first. Thanks for the comment, man!
@fifthpint4571
@fifthpint4571 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy Heh, and I thought I was being weird for liking the SOII. Forum opinions sway more towards how Breitling lost their minds on this one. I'm somehow drawn to the partially cut off numerals on the 24 scale. Where they really dropped the ball was the choice of brushed finish on the 44mm only - should have been 42, or even universal for a diver line. Thanks for the response and look forward to more videos of yours, they're always high quality and informative.
@reh604
@reh604 4 жыл бұрын
This is one opinion. Many feel differently.
@robertsullivan4773
@robertsullivan4773 5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. A few months ago I was in an AD here in Atlanta Ga. In the case was a brand new Explorer II. Before the salesman had it out I had my wallet out. I'd been wanting the watch for while. I'd been looking for a decent five digit reference but I hadn't found one fairly priced. I truly thought my search had ended then I tried it on an my heart sank. It was too big on every way. Maybe if I had a 7 inch wrist I might have taken it. But the smaller the wrist the more the issues you point move to the front. Great vid. I've since settled for a GMT Master II G code just fully serviced by Rolex. But I still favor the Explorer II Polar. But that's a first world problem😊
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
That is exactly what I experienced a few months ago. And the sad thing is that 42mm's can work so well with small wrists! I can't imagine how devastating it must have been trying it on and realising that it was too much...Thanks for the comment, Robert. Keep searching for a good Polar and keep wearing your GMT in good health!
@robertsullivan4773
@robertsullivan4773 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy oddly enough your review of the 50 Fathoms 5015. I've tried it on and it fits well for its size while at 45mm bigger than the Explorer II. So many variables in watches make them wearable or not.
@macoyupadoodle
@macoyupadoodle 5 жыл бұрын
My first luxury watch , i chose this over a Sub due to the cleanliness, and it has a bit of elegance to it. At the time i found the Sub too butch and common and simple wherein the E2 had 3 complications (time, gmt and a date) which gave more bang for your buck. The new one lost the elegance (metro sexual) which i liked and went full drag, but i guess for the sake of better functionality it could not be helped
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
The complications definitely add a lot of value to the watch and I can see your reasoning. Again, it's just my pedantic eye that sees these 'clashes' with the proportions, but the watch is no where near to being a slouch. I hope you are still enjoying it every day and thank you for the comment, man!
@pilotstyle123
@pilotstyle123 5 жыл бұрын
I was obsessing about this watch for a while but ultimately 4 hands, 2 of them fat, and a cyclopse are crowding the dial too much for me. Also the cyclopse does not make sense, I have been caving and you scrape and squeeze between rocks so the last thing you would want is a part of the crystal standing out. Rather a watch for caving should inlay the crystal and use the bezel as protection.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Caving watches...I hear you, man. It's interesting to think that Acrylic glass would probably hold up way better than Sapphire against rocks. Imagine the cyclops popping off? The watches definitely aren't perfect for their application. And again the proportions just turns me off completely from them. But it seems like the haters are in the minority ;) Thanks for the comments as always
@rootedrotor525
@rootedrotor525 5 жыл бұрын
I love the 42mm Polar. More wrist prescence and the orange gmt hand gives it some pop.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
And it's a great choice. The watch is insanely unique in the Rolex family (I'm also in love with the Orange hand on the white dial) Thanks for the great comments as always, Rooted Rotor Ramification ;)
@rootedrotor525
@rootedrotor525 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy You got it buddy. Love the channel and your perspective - good stuff.
@payperview714
@payperview714 2 жыл бұрын
Very insightful excellent review. I own a 16570 and had the same almost visceral reaction to the 216570 when I first saw it. You put my feelings perfectly into words. I also own an Explorer 39mm and while I suppose you can make a similar argument that all it is is a blown up 36mm, I don't see it that way. It's really more wrist size dependent. While certainly most men were wearing 36mm and smaller way back when, it just doesn't fit many very well. To my eyes the 39mm Explorer doesn't have that same bloat that the 216570 has..The 1655 is just on another level. It's gorgeous and I want one badly...Such great commentary, thank you for making it.
@hblegal8309
@hblegal8309 4 жыл бұрын
So well done with no BS and extra talking. Thanks!!
@filmagnoli
@filmagnoli 5 жыл бұрын
I wanted and am still looking for one. I was looking at the older one because the newer ones were out of my price range but then the older ones exploded in price ... so the hunt continues. Thanks for the perspective :)
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It's unreal just how popular the 90's and early 2000's pieces have become recently. Keep hunting and consider your options about wearing the watch (if it's going to be a daily wearer, you wouldn't necessarily need box and papers etc.) Thanks for the comment, Fil!
@MTbone7
@MTbone7 5 жыл бұрын
Another great vid IDGuy! The polar dial really makes this piece special for me. Black dial, just another Rolex, white dial WOW
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, brother. I really enjoy the polar too. It is so unique in the Rolex family...where the black dial just looks like a GMT Master 2...
@nicholasevennett8231
@nicholasevennett8231 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy as if that is a bad thing?
@richardweir3342
@richardweir3342 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree Mr T bone, but it would be better slightly smaller
@fancytyme
@fancytyme 3 жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with your points, but I always abhor the use of the term "lazy" to describe a design process. Unless you know something about the actual development, it's an ignorant and unfair statement. Design is done for purpose: needs and constraints. The 1655 was a tool watch for an era without quartz, without smart phones, and without smart watches. The person buying a mechanical Rolex today is not the same as the person buying one in the 70s. The audience is a factor in design. You can ignore the audience or try to shift your audience, but deciding that the audience's needs and expectations should be part of your constraints does not make the process inherently "lazy". It's a conscious choice, like any other. It's more risk-averse, but cleaving to tradition has its own set of constraints; it doesn't inherently simplify the design process.
@mrbud8524
@mrbud8524 3 жыл бұрын
I own both the 40m and 42m l prefer the White 42m dail it is awesome watch in person its got a nice Warm feel to it. Definitely understated watch in Rolex Sports Model range for me it's the best Rolex Sports model out there.
@adammork7171
@adammork7171 5 жыл бұрын
Big Agree, 42 is way too big, and the old dial pattern and hands look better. I do love the new gmt hand and bright color. Im praying for a new slimmed down explorer II at basel 2020, hopefully with a purpose built dial as youve mentioned.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It would be so great to see and evolution. I'm going to play around with a concept of a Semi-supercase and see if a proportion change makes a big difference with the watch in a future video. Thanks for the comment, Stacks!
@citcit9811
@citcit9811 4 жыл бұрын
In terms of design, the Omega Railmaster was so much more homogeneous than the Explorer I. The Explorer II white dial with the orange GMT and the blue at night is in my oppinion incredibly nicely done. Best looking white dial watch I know.
@unworthyServant08
@unworthyServant08 4 жыл бұрын
I'm actually drawn to the design changes you made to the Explorer II in this video. This is beautiful IDGuy
@jaredcoffin3907
@jaredcoffin3907 9 ай бұрын
Yes, “evolution for the sake of evolution.” Perfectly put. And applies to so very many of not only Rolex but also Omega, Tag, and even Sinn & Tutima. Sad indeed. ✅
@jonnybreakz
@jonnybreakz 5 жыл бұрын
I am an explorer guy as well as a designer and I concur with your critique of the exp II the 1655 is so unique where as the 16570 polar was a fresh look and gave the watch a new feel ..but with the black dial looks too much like a gmt master The newest models are like you said bloated and uninspiring , the orange hand is a nice touch but overall lacks any creativity . Vintage is where its at and I hope that one day you do get your 1655 my friend.! Cheers!
@DavidDatura
@DavidDatura 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I never noticed it before but you’re right! Side by side the 5 digit Explorer II looks so much nicer and better balanced than the bloated 🐷 that is the contemporary 6 digit version. But I don’t like the original 70s variation either, it really looks of its era and is less classy than its successors IMHO.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
My damn designers eye will be the death of me hahaha! But I'm glad you see the difference. Bloated is a harsh word but it feels right when seeing them side-by-side. And the 1655 is definitely not a watch for everyone (it very much is a watch from the 70's) I'm going to play around with a concept of the Explorer that blends a bit of function and dress into the equation ;) Thanks for the comment, David!
@michaeltoft3217
@michaeltoft3217 5 жыл бұрын
For some reason people want Rolex to keep their watches in smaller sizes. The 42 mm size is perhaps one of the more common sizes today. Often you find Breitling, Omega, IWC, RM, etc. presenting watches as 44 mm ....or even bigger. Size isn’t all but 42 mm is not to big a watch in any way. Love this newest version of the Explorer ll.
@FatSamEIE
@FatSamEIE 5 жыл бұрын
But all those companies are struggling woth sales in comparison to rolex, partly because they make gargantuan watches or have unnecessary height/depth (omega planet ocean chronograph is ridiculous)
@michaeltoft3217
@michaeltoft3217 5 жыл бұрын
FatSamEIE not saying that watches cannot get too big! Just saying 42 mm is a common size for a male wrist 😊
@jaysmall5673
@jaysmall5673 5 жыл бұрын
You’ve got the most insightful videos.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jay. I really appreciate that. It's all just perspective really. We all unpack boxes in different ways and it's down to the approach more than anything else. Thanks a ton for the comment, man!
@jamesarthur6962
@jamesarthur6962 5 жыл бұрын
Agree, in love with my 1655...I hope that 2020 that Rolex bring back a new version of it as they are gearing up to release a complete new range of the Explorer in my view.
@w.m.aslam-author
@w.m.aslam-author 4 жыл бұрын
I think they’re both fine watches, although my preference is for the Explorer I, based on its beautiful aesthetics. A watch must feel right on the wrist, not only look right.
@Marcin47
@Marcin47 5 жыл бұрын
For me this is the best Rolex because the other designes are copied by so many other brands. It is also a great everyday watch . However at certain times the hands get too crowded.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It is definitely an original watch in that sense. You don't find replica's of these anywhere (and the steel bezel has been used by so many other brands at this point) Funny, but I find the many hands makes the dial look more interesting / engaging. An interesting watch nonetheless. Thank you for the comment, Marcin
@m.e.p.r
@m.e.p.r 2 жыл бұрын
The bezel on the Explorer II is not intended to track 24h time, although it can be used for that purpose
@stockholmpublishings2937
@stockholmpublishings2937 5 жыл бұрын
A white dial submariner would be perfection, but I feel like that will never happen since it would compete too much with the Daytona white dial, hence lower its value, which would affect the Rolex brand negatively since the Daytona is Rolex bread and butter pitch for a store of value investment.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It would be unreal. And you're right, the contrast would be too similar to the Panda Daytona. I made a video about the new Omega Seamaster "Great White" a few months ago that might just be something to pay attention to (and I'm sure Rolex would never go so far to introduce a white dial Sub unfortunately). Thank you for the comment!
@stockholmpublishings2937
@stockholmpublishings2937 5 жыл бұрын
@IDGuy Maybe a limited edition run that regular ppl can't afford, who knows! Ye, exactly. I feel like Omega just throws out watches though and sees what sticks and not, never liked their bezels though, they look cheap. Thank you, and good luck w/ the channel!
@Mark..P
@Mark..P 5 жыл бұрын
Great video once again - thank you. I have had the Polar since buying it new in 2002, sadly I will be letting it go to make room for a circa 2007 Pepsi 👍
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in knowing the reason why you're selling it, Mark! And thank you for the comments as always
@Iron-Father
@Iron-Father 5 жыл бұрын
Mark P Might be interested - drop me a line and some pics
@Mark..P
@Mark..P 5 жыл бұрын
IronFather Sure. How
@antonioau_gb89
@antonioau_gb89 4 жыл бұрын
i love the design of 1655, and it bring me to Steinhart Ocean Vintage GMT
@InstrumentPlayer
@InstrumentPlayer 5 жыл бұрын
IMHO, best current production Rolex model.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
And that's great! No judgement from me whatsoever. The watches are brilliant tools and make excellent watches for the outdoors. It's just a strange bug I have with the whole "proportion" fix, but I'm definitely in the minority. Thank you for the comment, Jeremy!
@maximilianmohre1886
@maximilianmohre1886 5 жыл бұрын
I always felt very meh about the exp 2.. till I tried one on, now I also think it's the best looking current sporty (I never thought I would say that)
@InstrumentPlayer
@InstrumentPlayer 5 жыл бұрын
IDGuy love the channel and production quality. Thanks for the content.
@mcdtcw
@mcdtcw Жыл бұрын
You spoke about the 1655, 16570, and the 216570… but nothing about the 16550, which is what the cream dial Explorer-II is.
@gscraggster6553
@gscraggster6553 5 жыл бұрын
Great analyses, given the choice I went 42mm simply because of the orange 🍊 if I could get a 1655 I would be content for a very long time
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
I think that would be the only reason I would choose the 42mm. The Orange hand is stunning and so eye-catching. There needs to be a recreation of a 1655. I would love to lead the charge in making that happen. Thank you for your comment, Gareth. Keep wearing your 216570 in good health!
@onamissionteam9373
@onamissionteam9373 8 ай бұрын
Best watch in the Rolex collection
@TheRedskins6969
@TheRedskins6969 2 жыл бұрын
I adore both the 5 and 6 digit reference. This is the watch that ignited my passion for horology.
@redfishbum
@redfishbum 5 жыл бұрын
Hi ID Guy....great video! I have a black dial 16570 and love everything about it. I have thought as you, wishing there was some type of lume in the bezel for better use in low light or no light conditions. I specifically chose the version from the year 2000 due to the amazing lume (and drilled lugs). The thing that i have noted about this watch is that the GMT hand's triangle pointer is in exact alignment with the circular marker. Along with being the same size as alignment, it will actually cover up the round marker. I've learned to use my version in the dark to tell time with the bezel from memory as it is not rotating, i.e. 6 is at the 3; 12 at the 6 and 18 at the 9 position, etc. Again, great video review!
@jfm562
@jfm562 5 жыл бұрын
There is no need to clutter the dial with 24 hour markers. That dial is to busy. If you keep the GMT hand and regular hour hand synced it’s easy to tell at a glance if it’s a.m or pm. When the 24 hour hand is on the right side of the dial it’s am. When on the left side it’s pm.
@michaelbishop9157
@michaelbishop9157 5 жыл бұрын
you can obviously make much of the same criticisms of the modern submariner and its maxi-case which has been very polarizing but I love the explorer 2 in all sizes for its genuine tool watch nature and I'm simply not a fan of glossy modern ceramic dials. I do agree the bezel is too thin - they got that wrong
@Nexus.Achiles
@Nexus.Achiles 4 жыл бұрын
A welcome attempt to improve the dial to bezel ratio in my view at least. My problem with the brand is their dials are tiny (27-28mm) and their bezels are too thick (5+mm). I prefer the proportions of the latest Exp II. What I don't like are the thicker hands.
@threehander
@threehander 5 жыл бұрын
Rolex will never do lumed bezels. Which is a shame, considering that would be the only beneficial use of ceramic in my opinion.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It really is a shame...So many people have highlighted how great a black ceramic bezel would be on these newer generations of watches (even though it sort of detracts from the historic steel bezel) It might make the watch all the more charming and would push the functional aspects through the roof. Thanks for the comment, Alex!
@threehander
@threehander 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy Owning the 16570, I am of a similar opinion on the matter. I really dislike the use of ceramic by modern Rolex but would really appreciate a lumed Submariner (and potential 216570C) in the future given their apparent continuous use of the material.
@davids9549
@davids9549 4 жыл бұрын
A great exposition of the Explorer II. Can't disagree with any of it. My only Rolex is a late 'middle' version, and I'm pleased enough with it, but yes, it is basically a GMT II with a fixed bezel, and has lost touch with its roots.
@meatball123d
@meatball123d 5 жыл бұрын
Hope there is a new explore II in the works
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Or an Explorer 3? I'm going to work on some concepts for the watch and make a vid about it in the future! Thanks for the comment, Calvin
@chrisinfpv9423
@chrisinfpv9423 4 жыл бұрын
I see what you mean about the sizing, but for me it suits as I need large hands to easily tell the time without my glasses!
@Rosay__
@Rosay__ 5 жыл бұрын
This is very compelling...thank you for the perspective.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
It's a pleasure, Paul! Thank you for watching!
@mr.nodate
@mr.nodate 5 жыл бұрын
My personal favourite is the short-lived 16550. A future classic for sure. Nice vid 👌🏻
@mchoch4576
@mchoch4576 5 жыл бұрын
Great Video, I entered the Rolex family in 2017 and I purchased my first Rolex, the Rolex GMT Master II (Batman) because of the blue part of the bezel, instead of buying a Submariner with all Black bezel. The Sub was always a fantasy watch for me, but the half blue bezel drew me to it. At the time I honestly didn't know what I was really buying. Then after KZfaq video after KZfaq video , plus traveling overseas and going on vacation in different time zones, did I fully understand and really appreciate the watch. The attention it draws is a little crazy too at times. I do wear it everyday. I even got my wife her first Rolex as well.(Datejust 31MM black dial with Diamond # and Diamond Bezel). Now because of my Batman I only want GMT function watches. I have been looking at the Explorer 2 for a while now and have been having a hard time crossing over because of the same functions of Batman(thinking same manufacturer , same watch). I am ready to buy an explorer. I have been looking at the Polar because it would give a new look on my wrist, but at the same time the 40mm is the real size I think I would want to have. I see your point that you made which is right on the money and honestly has only confused me more in which one to buy (40mm v. 42mm). If I was going for the used 40mm watch I think the last years of the watch before they changed to the 42mm would be my choice, but I been trying to figure out the year of the final upgrades to the 40mm watch before they did the upgrade to 42mm. You have differently helped in making my choice even harder. Again thank you for a great video, great opinion and all the best.
@markusvlasits3937
@markusvlasits3937 5 жыл бұрын
Thoughtful, concise, objective ... awesome!!
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Markus. It is hard trying to take the heart out of the conversation (but practice has made it a bit easier) ;) Thanks for the comment, man!
@markusvlasits3937
@markusvlasits3937 5 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy , I watched several of your videos and liked them all. Great job! Adds a fresh and much-needed perspective into evaluation and appreciation of watches. For whatever it's worth, I got seduced into horology by an IWC MkXII and it were primarily the design characteristics of that watch that I found so interesting ... ;-)
@SirGassolini
@SirGassolini 3 жыл бұрын
I think you are kind of missing the point of the 216570. As you mentioned , the explorers started as a watch serving a purpose. Imo the 16570 did not manage to serve this purpose with its poor readability and lack of lume. As I work in a low visibility enviroment with the need of LT and UTC I thought that the 16570 would be a perfect tool watch at the time. I was very disappointed with its performance but kept it as i liked the esthetic of it. A couple of years went by trying on differnt watches for work before the 216570 came. It is , as a toolwatch, far superior in every way. So as I see your point with the watchdesign from the point of it beeing a luxury timepiece with its only purpose of occupying property on the wrist, I think the 16570 is a sleek and beautiful watch .But from a tool watch point of veiw the 216570 is far superior in (almost) every way.
@Whiskywatcher
@Whiskywatcher 5 жыл бұрын
Couldnt agree more. I saw a 42mm explorer once, it looked absurdly big on the person's wrist and had none of the charm of the previous 40mm polar dial. My brother had one a few years back that he sold, i wanted to buy it off him at the time but didnt which i very much regret
@CallmeDaBreeze1971
@CallmeDaBreeze1971 4 жыл бұрын
The older 39mm Explorer II with polar dial is my favorite Rolex. If I were to become fortunate enough to own one, this would be my choice.
@jerretkirouac7038
@jerretkirouac7038 4 жыл бұрын
The older explorer 2 is 40 mm is it not? Which one is a 39????
@CallmeDaBreeze1971
@CallmeDaBreeze1971 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, 40mm is the one.
@petes5152
@petes5152 4 жыл бұрын
I owned a 16570 polar and it is a stunning watch. I bought it as an investment piece (which was a good call) and sold it recently for a 16600 Sea Dweller. No regrets at all. I never really connected with the Explorer 2. It's a great piece just lacks soul IMHO.
@eyeontime6136
@eyeontime6136 5 жыл бұрын
Personally I'm not a fan of the explorer 2 over the E1. For me anyway the most recent Explorer 1 looks amazing, but I really like the E2 GMT, date, and date magnifier function.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Hell, you've given me an idea...Take the E2 components and fit them to a E1? That might make for one interesting watch! Thank you for the excellent comments as always!
@sfg5724
@sfg5724 5 жыл бұрын
My first time watching your reviews. Excellent timing! Thanks. I am currently making a decision between the Explorer 2 and another Rolex model, GMT or Yachtmaster. Of course I can't find them to actually put on my wrist so I have to rely on videos like this. I have yet to find a video which prefers the new version of the E2. The 5 digit model seems to be what is prefered and still relatively attainable at a reasonable (if that can be said of any Rolex purchase) price. Thanks again.
@septimiusseverus2685
@septimiusseverus2685 4 жыл бұрын
Two pence a from mine: if you didnot get hold of a real 16570 black (ignore hours of watching them on Internet - you could not give appropriate valuation of the esthetic of the watch). It’s so unique in its deeeeep pitch black dial (I still wonder how they managed to get it looked so amazing: so sharp looking without AR coating). My piece of advice: get 16570 on your wrist and Wear it for 10 minutes: nothing can be
@GuildF40
@GuildF40 2 жыл бұрын
I finally put a Polar Explorer II on my wrist in 2000. Atlantic Pacific mountains surfing and it is 100% timeless. The new larger face is just too in your face.
@markrozenberg7959
@markrozenberg7959 5 жыл бұрын
It’s confusing that the 1655 is the one Rolex you’d choose, even though you start the review by saying it “doesn’t hold a candle” to the Explorer I. Did I misunderstand something?
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
If I only could ever own one watch and money wasn't a deciding factor, the 1655 would be the watch I'd wear for the rest of my life. It's strange, but after thinking over it time and time again the watch continues to pull me in. I'll probably make more videos about it in the future. But speaking historically and the achievements of the two watches, the Explorer 1 has everything and more compared to it. So the Exp2 doesn't have the milestones to its name (that's what I meant) Thanks for the comment, Mark!
@markrozenberg7959
@markrozenberg7959 5 жыл бұрын
IDGuy thanks for the clarification. I really enjoy your analysis.
@ianstewart9153
@ianstewart9153 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very clear comparison. And now that I see what you mean it is hard to un-see it. Especially the bezel. Though I am guessing someone in marketing told them they had to make the proportions different from either the Subs or the GMTs. But helpful video.
@npcforyou
@npcforyou 4 жыл бұрын
I ❤️ my 42 polar...👌🏼
@TheSlowoldman
@TheSlowoldman 5 жыл бұрын
My first desire is for a 1655, I also like the black dialed 216570 but now what has been seen (told) cannot be unseen. The bezel is too thin. Was justifying the purchase of a 216570 black dial until I watched this, time to hunt for a 1655. Also on the lookout for a birth year 5512.
@WristDistractions
@WristDistractions 5 жыл бұрын
I agree that it looks too big. Sticking to explorer 1 forever haha
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with that philosophy ;) Thanks for the comment, man!
@mmexecutivechauffeurs9411
@mmexecutivechauffeurs9411 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a polar explorer 2 with a black ceramic bezel. I hope Rolex is taking notes and watching this video.
@mahtabs7365
@mahtabs7365 Жыл бұрын
The 1655 looks great and really encapsulates the 70s design ethic. But it's not practical. The extra lume plots have a function but in reality make it harder to tell the time. I think there's definately a reason why they made the changes they made from the 1655 to 16550/16570. The 16570 is the most understated watch of the lineup. A perfect daily tool watch that won't catch anyone's attention while the 216570 is a more aggressive/bold take. The modern 216570/226570 is still the most tool watch of all the modern rolexes but it's a bit more flashy than the 16570 for sure.
@favoritethings3065
@favoritethings3065 Жыл бұрын
Great video….I agree with all of your points. With the release of the 16570, the Explorer II became a hybrid, or a diluted GMT Master. I think it was a mistake to uncouple the 24 hour and the hour hand….not to mention also loosing the quickset date feature at the same time. It stopped being a cave explorers watch and just a watered down GMT,
@mrp9498
@mrp9498 4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel!👍🏼 I’ve been think of purchasing this watch but can’t decide which reference to get. I’m trying to find a watch dealer that has both and I can go try them on.
@IchabodNyx
@IchabodNyx 5 жыл бұрын
I've heard Tim M argue that the magnifier is much better porportioned on the 42mm, as magnifier dominates the 40mm... Especially for people who, like me, are large and Lukewarm on magnifiers.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
That is a good point! But it's really splitting hairs when you need to compliment a watch for its better sized date magnifier hahaha! I agree that the magnifiers need to be adjusted to watch size though...some really do overpower the aesthetics of a watch. Thanks for the comment, man!
@desireless4092
@desireless4092 7 ай бұрын
Your complain regarding the "proportions".. I am baffled you never even noticed why is this change made. This is by far the most easy to read Rolex out there. I think you don't understand what are you talking about and taking yourself a tad serious.
@FatController23
@FatController23 2 жыл бұрын
I beg to differ. I love the 216570!
@808Stevie
@808Stevie Жыл бұрын
The new Explorer 2 Polar is a phenomenal watch, but it requires a larger wrist. Those with chic wrists stick with the previous 40mm design, which btw wears smaller than 40mm. If you have hobbit wrists, get the explorer 1, 36mm.
@martinsaethren
@martinsaethren 5 жыл бұрын
Video Idea: Black bay 58 with different designs. ( bezel inserts, dials, etc )
@Ampedproduction
@Ampedproduction Жыл бұрын
Sinn 856 utc mops the floor with the Rolex explorer 2 in every category
@robertnastasi8643
@robertnastasi8643 Жыл бұрын
I think you are wrong on all your points. I don’t own one yet but can’t disagree more
@RobertGeez
@RobertGeez 4 жыл бұрын
I love my black dial 216570. Perfect in every respect.
@jims4539
@jims4539 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your knowledge and time.
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know so much about "knowledge" haha! But thank you, Jim. And thank you for taking the time to watch the video.
@Brown_cheese
@Brown_cheese 5 жыл бұрын
Look at that Rolex explorer ii 16570 Polar. It is a damn good looking watch and I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure it will rise in value. I just bought one before it's too late :-) Well made and informative video, thanks :-)
@udin737
@udin737 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep up the good work. 👍
@ID-Guy
@ID-Guy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch it! And thank you for your comment. Greatly appreciated
@evh4611
@evh4611 4 жыл бұрын
What is the lug to lug wingspan on the 42 mm Explorer II ?
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