May God bless you! Now that we know we can trust His Word, we should recognize the below: For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12 ESV)

Blessings and welcome home!🙏❤

These aren't arguments they are stupid apologetics. You were fooled. Do some actual research and wake up.

@@lil-al did you watch the video? because it looks a lot like research.

@@lil-al there must be a reason you watch this channel. It is evident he teaches apologetics along with with his ministry. What are you searching for. I can assure you he speaks truth to the best of his ability. Stick with him. You won't be sorry. You'll see.

God Bless you sister

This is only wishfull thinking. Tyre was not destroyed by Nebukadnezar, check out Digital Hamurabi, he did study it.

It has all the trappings you have stated. Some of you are just opposed to the Bible and will dig anything to oppose it. One day we all will give an account to God.

@@DunstanStLuce Which god? Allah. Zeus? What I am saying is that there is no evidence of it all. These so called fulfilled prophesies are either vague, sometimes even wrong and often written after the fact. But since you are so invested in your believe you cannot (for fear of hell) even consider this possibility. Religion really has people in a choke hold.

@@Peter_Scheen again tyre was not supposed to destroy tyre. If you notice the passages it changes the pronouns from he to they

@@Peter_Scheen fear of hell. If we had fear of hell then all Christian would go to hell because we would become self absorbed with fear. We would only be thinking about our selves instead of doing good because of what God did to us. Fear will never work

Yet tyre exists today... Rebuild by Alexander the great... Like he said in the first video in the series. One failed prophecy and you throw out all that comes from that "prophet".

@@knightbeforedawn the prophecy was against the ancient city, so yes, it did come to pass.

@@dpollard5286 The Ancient City was rebuilt very quickly. Not to mention that the prophecy is clearly about Nebuchadnezzar and the many nations of his the Neo-Babylonian Empire

@@tomasrocha6139 except the ancient city is under water and Nebuchadnezzar was only one of the many nations which is clear if you take the entire passage together as one prophecy.

@@dpollard5286 It's still inhabited today and Nebuchadnezzar King of Kings was King of the many nations that were to destroy it forever, it says he will put them to the sword.

I'm very skeptical....after watching this I'm still skeptical. Tyre still exists..Ezekiel fucked up....Egypt still exists 🙂

The pope just fulfilled the tyre prophecy

@@codyalexander3290 how so

Ok but it wasn't?

@@jezbread8111 The bible is full of prophecies with details that are just shrugged off as figurative language of wrath. If we hold them to Tyre standards, then they're all false prophecies

When I was deconverting it was because of Nebuchadnezzar being the one who destroys Tyre. I never noticed "Like waves of the sea" or thought to interpret it as different advances. Already looking forward to this one.

I've learned how to read ancient Hebrew since becoming a Christian again. I see it in my Hebrew Bible. "vehaaleiti alich Goyim Rabim kehaalot hayam legalav." will rise against you many nations like how rises up the waves of the sea.

My one hang up is verse 10. Did Nebuchadnezzar enter their gates? Otherwise very interesting points you brought up. Love it.

What was painful about listening to Pinecreek? I thought he asked challenging questions

Hey Adam, I'm not sure if you saw Part 1 of this (it's a separate video), but Mike talked a lot more about the Watchtower in that video! Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to check it out.

@@ginabraswell5234 Thank you. ( a bit late, I know) .

According to biblethinker.org, "Mike Winger is an associate pastor at Hosanna Christian Fellowship in Bellflower, CA"

Not that I've found in Hebrew anyways. The dead sea scrolls is the oldest of biblical writings that I know of and they are from maybe the 3rd century BC at the oldest.

That's very interesting! So are you saying Alexander's causeway was destroyed and he had to rebuild it? Is that the king referenced in the book quote you gave?

@@patticarey9016 Yes, Alexander was the king mentioned. What I've always thought was kind of funny is that the original causeway was destroyed while Alexander was away. I can just imagine those left in charge thinking, "Oh man, he's going to be so angry when he gets back. We're going to be in so much trouble."

I noticed the same thing. Ezekiel, along with the rest of Jerusalem were taken into Captivity by the same Nebuchadnezzar II that eventually sieged Tyre.

Hi, I’m seven months late, but if you still haven’t found the notes, they should be available on his website “biblethinker.org”

@@holiazhang thank you!

From the horses mouth: We Will Praise- I think by Mike.

That's a good question, which verses does the KJV have that you are missing in the NIV?

This is my understanding: They use a different manuscript family. The NIV uses older but fewer manuscripts.

@@rwatson2609 Acts 8:37 pretty important

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr The problem with the Acts 8:37 passage is that it never existed in the oldest most reliable manuscripts that we have today. We believe that it was tucked in some time later. You actually don't need a good grip on Early Greek to figure this out for yourself, you just need to know the early Greek alphabet and you can see for yourself that looking at the oldest biblical manuscripts and comparing them to a modern Greek translation, that this verse is simply not there. I'm not trying to through Gods word under the bus here, I still am confident that it is better than 99.5% accurate. There just seems to be a few passages that were never in the earliest manuscripts. In this case in particular, it did not appear in about a dozen of our most reliable manuscripts and codices. The KJV had just 7 or 8 Greek manuscripts to build with but they were not old enough to spot this problem that we are talking about. Anyhow, the KJV is actually a great translation and it fairs well against the NIV in that the NIV had the problem of having to satisfy many different protestant church doctrines in order to fulfil its role as an International version, where it was hoped to be used throughout a diverse church crowd with slightly varying beliefs. There was a friend of the family that worked on the NIV as an old testament scholar(1st edition 1970s) and amongst the conversations that I overheard, he seemed to be indicating that there were many heated debates over the English wording of some passages in order for all of the churches to be satisfied with the NIV. The NIV is probably considered one of the worst translations of that era for this one reason. Simply put, no translation is perfect but even the NIV is good enough to lead a man or woman to life saving salvation in Jesus Christ alone.

jill stephens there’s all different kinds and it gets complicated. Different Bible translations seek to give you a word for word translation or a thought for thought. ESV and NIV are some good ones though!

@jill Stephens: God bless you! The New World "translation" was put together very poorly and dishonestly by the Jehovah's Witness organization. You would benefit by reading from a more accurate translation such as ESV, NKJV, or CSB.

Later the Romans took the area. Later the Byzantines. Later the Ottomans. None of those nations add to the details given but there have been waves. Your trying real hard to make it not work but its actually pretty incredible. Don't let cognitive dissonance keep you from acknowledging how uncannily similar the prophecy is to history.

@@blusheep2 I was merely pointing out the lack of presented information to support the argument.

@@knightbeforedawn ok. fair enough.

I've been waiting for that as well.

Mike interprets the Bibpe, and others can interpret their way.

there are ultraaaaaaaa old scrolls that have been discovered around 1950-something if i remember correctly...🤔 and its discovered that they arent that different , the words always differ in translations but not in the message of it all ,, the messages stay the same and why would anyone edit that stuff and waste their time on something that they think its not true and then they have to edit it and take days and days to do it same with apostoles, why did they die for someone if all of it wasnt true? , and it says in one verse- if Jesus didnt rise defeating death then all of what prophets and ppl have been talking about is false And yet there are historical evidences tht cant be denied , many of them all pointing that Jesus existed and that his body wasnt found, 500 witnesses saw him rising ..He rised He defeated death and defeated sin , and now only if we give our life for Him and accept Him as our savior from death, will get eternal life and relationship with God

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That’s because the pope just fullfilled this prophecy

Oh I just saw you addressing that point a couple minutes after I wrote this. You address people saying "he wrote it as it was already unfolding" Your refutation is: "I don't think that's the case." That's not really proof, it's just something you think.

Daniel did mention reading from Ezekiel, so we can conclude that some text of Ezekiel was written by the time the text of Daniel was written.

Actually, if those text was wrote after the fall of Tyre there would be no 'vague' prophecies thing, such as being debated by some people that this prophecies was actually failed. So, the debate about this 'Tyre' thing was failed prophecies was actually proved that this text not produced after the event. If you want to produce a fake prophecies, why produce a vague and debatable one? It would be Better to produce clear and less controversial one.

Why would the Jews constantly accept as the Word of God, history lessons that claim to be prophetic?

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Yes, especially when the Torah commands them to not listen to a prophet that speaks presumptuously.

I have got answer to my question. See jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/tyre.html the 70 years was before the total destruction of the city.

It looks like Isaiah was written a couple hundred years before Ezekiel so maybe that was to happen before the Ezekiel prophecy?

This prophecy was just fulfilled by the pope

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr no it’s about today

@@codyalexander3290 Would you be able to kindly point me in the direction of the information showing its fulfillment?

I’m not convinced at all by his arguments. Firstly ‘many nations’ is brushed over and explained away by saying that’s the ‘hosts’. Many nations =\= hosts. Secondly he has hastorical proofs of the coastal Tyre being conquered in the past, therefor when the Pheno empire was at its strongest, that it would not have fortified this crucial coastal town against attack? It supplied the fresh water for the island Tyre. Discounting the fact that the prophecies were fulfilled, if only partially, with detail based on the weak arguments above and an atheists exegesis of text.

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My guess is they won't pay out if your house burns down and you decide to build an ice cream parlor.

How the heck did Ezekiel knew the the city will be thrown into the sea? I mean at the people might have known that it was going to be destroyed but they did not know how. Ezekiel got it in detail what exactly will happen chronologically. People knew Nebby but they did not knew Alexander, only Ezekiel knew. Do you call the 2019 tyre rebuild? please! It is supposed to be queen of the seas it it was rebuilt, but it is not so it is a prophecy.

Your making a big stretch here buddy

The pope just fulfilled the tyre prophecy

How so?

@@joshrichards9121 before I explain do you agree that looking at the verses before Isaiah 23:15 you can see similarities with the fall of Babylon in revelation?

@@joshrichards9121 70 years from the days of one king (pope ix who died in 1878) you have 70 years from that the great city (Babylon Jerusalem became a nation) 70 years from then is 2018 (document of human fraternity and Abrahamic family house) the description of both those things spearheaded by the pope fit perfectly the description of fornicate with the kingdoms(religions) of the world.

Yeah, unfortunately we had a lot of technical problems that day. We record with two different good quality mics and both of those recordings failed. I had to use the audio from the cameras which is really lousy. Sorry about that.

I think that what he meant is that some of these prophesies just have not happened yet, verses what you are implying, which is that perhaps some of these prophesies will never ever happen. I could say that time is what is needed, but really I think more accurately you would have to read through these writings of Ezekiel to evaluate what portion of his prophesies have come to pass and then make a decision on this question to do with the rest of them. We've had 2600 years since then and a lot of archeology, though obviously God seems to live quite a long time.

Like you said in the first video, one failure means you throw out all prophecies from that prophet.... Now let's see... Tyre exists today. Rebuilt by Alexander the great... What was the last part of that prophecy? It will never be rebuilt?

The explanation of Neberkenezer doing all that was written can be explained simply... The agreed uoon dates of the writing of ezekiel and Neberkenezers assault on the city, both have a range of the 580s and 570s BCE... Maybe that part was written as it was happening... Writing current events does not a prophecy make...

It says nothing about being rebuilt the same or to the same level, just that it will never be rebuilt (period). This is all encompassing, which means there should be no tyre at all. A city and a car are not analogous in this case. A city that is smaller can still function as a city.

That is just an argument from incredulity

@@blusheep2 really? How? It makes no sense for a being of infinite knowledge and power to use an easily manipulated and misunderstood method of transmission like a book claimed to be its word, instead of an unambiguous method that would be clear to all regardless of education, language, access the info, etc?

The prophecy failed. Ezekiel admits as much in Chapter 29.

Ezekiel prophecies the specific actions of attacks against tyre would take place, and then afterwards tyre would never be rebuilt These actions have taken place, and now modern day tyre is not rebuilt as it doesn't hold many of the qualities that the tyre which was destroyed had, including the actual land itself, because a bunch of it is now sunken in the water.

@@Monkey-si2uo When the OT says that Jerusalem will be rebuilt, but it ends up being built in the wrong place with the wrong materials and nowhere near its original might, that is considered fulfilled prophecy. But when Tyre is prophesied to never be rebuilt, and it is rebuilt in the same fashion as Jerusalem was, that is also considered fulfilled? Pick one! Either any rebuilding is considered being totally rebuilt, or it isn’t.

If you are looking for a genuine answer, Mike talks in more detail about this, Alexander destroyed the city and conqured it as described in the prophecy, the Phoenicians were the original builders of Tyre and it was a Phoenician city, after Alexander conqured it, it was rebuilt as a GREEK city, not a Phoenician city. Like if say Washington was destroyed by China and the Chinese rebuilt it for China in Chinese fashion, you couldn't say that Washington isn't the original now could you? It's under a new nation's control. Not the original people's. Does this clear it up or are you here for other reasons?

Tyre was a Phoenician city, Phoenicians are no longer, they are now history

It's only seen as legend if you don't believe it's true ;)