Fulfilled Prophecy (Daniel 7-8) Evidence for the Bible pt3

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Mike Winger

Mike Winger

8 жыл бұрын

Are you open to the evidence? Documented proof for both God and the Bible. This isn't about mystical hogwash or blind faith, it's about simple reasoning. The Bible predicts detailed events hundreds of years before they happen, the most rational explanation of this phenomenon is that God has spoken through the Bible.
Full "Evidence for the Bible" playlist here: • Has God Spoken? EVIDEN...

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@angmoh69
@angmoh69 Жыл бұрын
Update. 6 years later this teaching is still rock solid and fills me with great joy😊
@mcfarvo
@mcfarvo 2 ай бұрын
7yrs going strong
@lindseydicken7921
@lindseydicken7921 4 жыл бұрын
4 years later these videos are still a blessing!
@CyberTocsin
@CyberTocsin 3 жыл бұрын
Amen. The "Abomination of Desolation" is looming. Daniel 11:31 ; 12:11 Remember: 1st Corinthians 3:16. Do not allow Unholy sacrifices in your temple. The division we see today in the physical is making way for division of our spirit. Ha-Shikkuts Meshomem
@johnkennedy68
@johnkennedy68 3 жыл бұрын
Search for! TURN BACK TO GOD!..
@georgeluciano6136
@georgeluciano6136 Жыл бұрын
I can say the same 6 years later. God word will never pass away.
@thecruxofthecross5107
@thecruxofthecross5107 Жыл бұрын
7 years later and still a blessing
@brittzank8987
@brittzank8987 Жыл бұрын
​@thecruxofthecross5107 you don't actually think these are prophecy do you? There isn't a single specific thing that could only be accounted for one way. He's completely speculation and asserting that fits. It would be like someone saying a lion will win a big contest. And saying that meant the Detroit Lions beating the Chiefs opening day.
@budekins542
@budekins542 6 жыл бұрын
After first watching this video in 2016, now two years later in 2018 I can confirm that - judging from the panicky reactions on Muslim and Atheist websites to the book of Daniel - it is clear this book touches a Very raw nerve in Muslims and Atheists;-)
@Jack-hy1zq
@Jack-hy1zq 4 жыл бұрын
dream on😂
@johnkennedy68
@johnkennedy68 3 жыл бұрын
..Search for! TURN BACK TO GOD!
@milchseite3785
@milchseite3785 3 ай бұрын
​@@Jack-hy1zq seems like a proof to his claim for me... 😅
@klarag7059
@klarag7059 5 жыл бұрын
You’ve made more sense to me than any of the lecturers who taught me on Daniel or Biblical prophecies. Thank you Mike.
@mistieshoemaker
@mistieshoemaker Жыл бұрын
I’m in the middle of a slow roll through the prophets. I’ve been it for several years. I’ve been on Daniel. When I found this series “accidentally” I thought, “I need to go back and look at Daniel 7-8 again”! Thank you for clarity on passages that even the commentaries haven’t helped me understand.
@johnfarver2069
@johnfarver2069 5 жыл бұрын
So great to learn more biblical history....thanks Mike, God bless !
@johnkennedy68
@johnkennedy68 3 жыл бұрын
..Search for! TURN BACK TO GOD!
@thebreffer8940
@thebreffer8940 5 жыл бұрын
I hate that these videos are demonetized for ad revenue which just just shows that KZfaq and many want to get rid of Christianity
@ryankarsten8047
@ryankarsten8047 2 ай бұрын
Hey Mike, I wanted to let you know, I’ve been struggling with doubt and putting on the belt of truth lately, and your videos have been a big help in restoring my confidence in God. God bless you and may He help you stay strong in what you do!
@HH-lr2zt
@HH-lr2zt 4 жыл бұрын
I took a Bible Lit class at my public high school when I was a Junior and they taught that these prophecies were about World War 1 or World War 2. I think Mike's interpretation makes more sense. But it was pretty wild to hear about the bear with 3 ribs in its mouth being the Soviets taking down Hitler's Third Reich. That's a rather fascinating idea.
@FollowMeStopPlayin
@FollowMeStopPlayin 5 жыл бұрын
Im 3yrs late but this is good to me in 2019
@gabrielalvarado3348
@gabrielalvarado3348 4 жыл бұрын
It's better in 2020 when we're in the midst of the great tribulation;)
@ChristianLight1746
@ChristianLight1746 3 жыл бұрын
I'm four years late
@SoutS416
@SoutS416 3 жыл бұрын
It's the word of God...it's good forever!!!
@jvigel2101
@jvigel2101 3 жыл бұрын
Uhh no. I haven't seen any of the plagues yet or the abomination of desolation. I would assume the great tribulation would be worse than this @@gabrielalvarado3348
@danielcarranza1957
@danielcarranza1957 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to say this mike. But you are just that guy no one hates I wish i had a brother like you man God bless. Your funny and strait forward.
@pearlgrace2573
@pearlgrace2573 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike for this beautiful presentation. I thank God for your wisdom and your teaching skills. May God bless all the works of your hands.
@trampola8
@trampola8 3 жыл бұрын
This is amazing stuff. Thank God for people like him. These days there's no point for Christians to be closing together in churches listening to sermons. Apologegics is what we need to talk better to people who need to listen to Gospel but are rejecting the religion by default.
@ronnychristenjoyer6778
@ronnychristenjoyer6778 3 жыл бұрын
Mike, you're videos are incredibly helpful for me, my faith and relationship with the Father. Seriously, thank you!
@sphagbog
@sphagbog 3 жыл бұрын
This is so exciting and interesting exposition and apologetics. Taking notes to learn and use in evangelism.
@tammyhenderson4565
@tammyhenderson4565 3 жыл бұрын
I too am Watching this 4 years later for the first time. I am SO thankful it's still here. I need to prepare to remember a few prophesy to take to unbelieving loved ones
@samanthajeffers9339
@samanthajeffers9339 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck and good for you (:
@tammyhenderson4565
@tammyhenderson4565 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@MichaelNissim
@MichaelNissim 6 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. May the Lord bless you!
@angelmay27
@angelmay27 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Pastor Mike for teaching us these prophecies and recognizing their fulfillments! I've been so blessed by your channel. Thank you for being God's vessel in increasing my confidence in the Bible and God's truth!
@themolois2773
@themolois2773 Жыл бұрын
I'm so excited to hear this. Thanks Pastor Mike.
@roxanaswart4917
@roxanaswart4917 10 ай бұрын
I love reading Daniel and Revelation and it's awesome to hear this very easy to understand teaching of the prophecies that have come to pass. Thank you from South Africa in the year 2023
@michaelagbonkpolor4069
@michaelagbonkpolor4069 3 жыл бұрын
So helpful and encouraging, thanks Mike
@JasonTrivium
@JasonTrivium 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the educational presentation Mike, this is an outstanding video!
@chrisbrooks4032
@chrisbrooks4032 4 жыл бұрын
Educational? LMFAO
@tnmtnmorning1178
@tnmtnmorning1178 3 жыл бұрын
Loving this series!
@brainfood20
@brainfood20 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video keep letting God use you dont give up stay faithful until the end!
@athb4hu
@athb4hu 5 жыл бұрын
Another very interesting video.
@thekingofthings2002
@thekingofthings2002 Ай бұрын
Mike, I am so grateful for the hard work and reading it must take to make great videos like this. Thank you so much for how much you do to spread truth.
@patricia-smiles
@patricia-smiles 4 ай бұрын
MIKE!!! 😱 OMG....😲. I never saw it until just now! 😧😧 Nebuchadnezzar... the lion, the wings, the human heart... I've seen Bible Series about Daniel's story, and I have heard of Daniel's dreams, and it never really made any sense to me until tonight!!! It was him! Nebuchadnezzar! How did I never see it?? Perhaps God wanted to talk to me tonight: I got really scary news today (my husband may have recurrent cancer), and I was feeling so low and so scared. God reassured me through this, He said "I will always be with you. Fear NOT!" Thanks, Mike. 🤟 I soooo needed this today.😥 Much appreciation, brother! Patricia 😉
@shellavion
@shellavion 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff 😀
@Michelle-ym8yw
@Michelle-ym8yw 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing series! Thank you for this :)
@cheerfulmouse
@cheerfulmouse Жыл бұрын
Like the different praise song at the end too!!
@sometimesismile
@sometimesismile 3 жыл бұрын
This playlist is such a blessing
@kvelez
@kvelez 3 жыл бұрын
What a special video. I really liked it.
@exprezza1648
@exprezza1648 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thanks.
@SterlingsOpinion
@SterlingsOpinion 11 ай бұрын
Great teaching!
@alxrian
@alxrian 2 жыл бұрын
I am watching this presentation for the 1st time and it's 2021. I found such a Blessing in the 'Defending Daniel' video after of it, I discovered this one on Daniel 7, 8. I have studied the 2,300 days scripture before, i am writing about it. I wonder how to reconcile Daniel 9's comming of the Messiah The Prince, which calculation of prophecy was based on the ' days per years ' formula proven perfect formula in Daniel 9 with the fulfillment of our Lord Jesus. Could it be also the Ssntuary word same meaning of the Book of Hebrews 8?
@Foxygrandpa2131
@Foxygrandpa2131 3 жыл бұрын
Mike I know this is an older lesson but can you provide your research notes for the lesson?
@sherryjohnson8678
@sherryjohnson8678 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your genuine humility.
@ReasonsForOurFaithMinistries
@ReasonsForOurFaithMinistries 2 ай бұрын
Thanks brother!
@raisingarrows2321
@raisingarrows2321 24 күн бұрын
God bless you Mike
@waynegabler6570
@waynegabler6570 6 жыл бұрын
5:00 Neb is covered in detail in Da:4 and all the points are covered and the verse below shows that he was a believer without needing a middle-man to explain anything. Da:4:36: At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me. Da:4:37: Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase. The kings in Revelation start with Neb and the next 2 kings are named in Da:5 and 6. They are two ribs and Neb's son is the 3rd rib and that is the silver kingdom'. They rise up without having to invade in a massive war. 13:00 Da:8 and 9 happen in the time of the brass and that starts with Alex being the 1st king from Greece and the General that followed was the 2nd king. The 'little horn' verses apply to the rule Rome had over Jerusalem starting in 63BC and lasting until about 450AD. An examination of the list will show all events were completed by that time and the NT was complete by 100AD. Trampling the truth was going to a Latin Bible and that was sometime after Rome accepted the Greek NT and the Hebrew OT as being the 'Bible'. Some events listed are repeated as part of the 70th week so that whole block of time expired by 3 1/2 years after the cross. Acts:10 saw Peter preaching to the Gentiles and the message would have been the same as Paul delivered to the Gentiles. The Apostles were in Jerusalem until 70 AD delivering the same message and then they would have taught Jew and Gentile. Paul always went to a Synagogue to teach so his first flock was Jewish also. Luke:21:24 is when the Re:4 temple became the active temple and prayers from gentiles are heard there just as clearly as a prayer said by Daniel would be heard. That is also the temple at the start of Re:11 and the 42 months begins when the 1st trump sounds and ends on the same day the two witnesses are killed. 3 1/2 days later when they are resurrected Christ's temple that exists for the 1,000 years will become the valid one. Satan sets up some tents and brings in a false throne during the 3 days he has control of Jerusalem. Greece was scattered to the 4 winds so it ceased to be a 'great dominion' as demanded by the words for the brass from Da:2. Rome did become a great dominion and it was more like a cousin of the Greeks than being radically different. Being the same would be if the 10 clay toes were the kings, they are not, they are the servants of the kings that rule as the iron. Satan is even mentioned in the book of Daniel so it should come as a little shock instead of a big shock to know he is the iron and that makes him one of the kings in Da:11 as that kings loses to Michael, again. The 5th and 6th trumps have a period of 3 1/2 years and it expires on the day Jesus comes back. By the end of that day all 7 vials have been poured out and the resurrections have been completed so the people deemed to be part of the 1,000 year reign are alive and standing and knowing nothing about the Kingdom of God. 1,000 years later they are as wise as holy angels so the fire that sends fallen angels to the fiery lake goes around them and they are taken alive to the place the GWT is and because they have already been judged to be perfect they can enter New Jerusalem as soon as they get there via the verse below. Isa:51:6: Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. Heb:12:22: But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb:12:23: To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 17:00 higher means it is in sequence rather than acting as a team. 18:30 4 kings arise out of Greece's rule over Jerusalem. If goat has a symbolic meaning it is to the goats in the Matthew:25 judgment of the nations. The iron/clay fights against the two witnesses and kills them and it is at their resurrection that the sheep/goats judgment takes place. The 4 horns means the 'little horn' verses are within that many rulers. No nation other than Rome became a great dominion as required in the Da:2 vision. The 'little horn' verse and the 70 week verses from Da:9 were completed by 33AD for the 70 weeks and 100 AD for the temple being taken down and 450 AD for the RCC to fall away from teaching the truth. In the Revelation counting Greece would be the 4th king and the 5th king would be 1 between Greece and Rome as Rome was the power in 100 AD and that is when Revelations was written. The 70 weeks verses refer to it as 'troublesome times' and that is the only reference. The 70 weeks have the cross being in the middle of the 70th week. The prophecy that is being fulfilled is the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 and that is why there are 4 witnesses to the event. The end of the iron/clay is the completion of the bruise to Satan's head and that is the last verse in Da:11 and Satan being in chains in Revelation. The first few verses of Da:12 reference the resurrection that follows and that results in the 1,000 year people all being alive. 24:00 only one General had control of Jerusalem so when Alex died there was no transition in power from the Greece. The silver has two lings as they are different nations. When the General lost control of Jerusalem the nation that took over would be the 1st of 4 winds. Rome could be the 2nd, 3rd, ort 4th king after and it would still be part of the brass. We know the history of Rome and we have the whole NT that was finished in the time Rome had control of Jerusalem. The sacrifice reference and the temple reference in the 'little horn' verses and the 70 weeks prophecy mesh in a few so they must mesh in all of them. The gap that has to be there to have an unknown day is introduced as the start of the time of the Gentiles in 70AD (Luke:21:24) and the 42 months at the start of Re:11 is the last of that time where Gentiles can repent their sins by saying the Lord's Prayer and they are heard in the Re:4 Temple. When the two witnesses die the temple will be the one Satan and the Beast set up that has a false throne standing in front of the altar and the serpent from Ge:3 will try and claim to be God. In Da:8 the transition is in the 'latter time of their kingdom' for all parts of the globe except Jerusalem and the first 4 trumps sound in 4 days and that results in martial law as we know it. The military can put places under siege if they want. When the 5th trump sounds those armies surrender to the king that is released in the 5th trump verses in 1 hour and 10 kingdoms are created with 10 men acting as kings who take their orders from the Beast from the Pit. In Noah's time the children of the fallen angels that are known as the giants would have been their servants and men would have only been the victims. Jerusalem falls when the two witnesses die so that is when the change to the iron/clay happen for the city of Jerusalem and the people would only be the 144,000 and they witness Satan's destruction and then the resurrection of the rest of the 12 Tribes so they are a complete people by evening of that same day. Da:23-27 is the transition to the iron/clay from the brass. With Rome being the 6th king in Revelations and being the 'little horn' from the brass makes Rome part of the leopard and the 4 wings that are there are the same as the 4 winds that scattered Greece. The 4th Beast is future as you said so the transition from the brass to the iron has to be future also. The verses from the end of Da:8 belong to the 4th beast verses from Da:7 as well as the iron/clay kingdom from Da:2 and all of Da:11 after the king stands up until Da:12:2 when his minions from mankind are put into the grave.
@robertjones6684
@robertjones6684 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Winger could you please tell me where you got the historical info about Antiochus epiphanies.
@McElvisss
@McElvisss 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, when you were speaking about the goat on the coin I thought you were gonna say "Alexander wasn't just a Greek...he was the G.O.A.T."
@truthfirst8821
@truthfirst8821 4 жыл бұрын
How about "evening and morning" would refer that the Jewish day starts at sundown.
@fr33dumb0
@fr33dumb0 8 ай бұрын
Bahahahahaha 3 foot 2" Got me good. Can you imagine the lollypop guild voice except with intent to intimidate? Lolzzzzz
@SaneTheBro
@SaneTheBro 2 жыл бұрын
where can i get the slides for these?
@gahlwynfjorn3961
@gahlwynfjorn3961 Жыл бұрын
@39:00 "and he cast truth to the ground" could be referring to burning the Torah?
@jamesjahavey1681
@jamesjahavey1681 6 жыл бұрын
Most JW's that I know have done Daniel 7&8 years ago and Daniel 12 about the true knowledge becoming abundant. How many people love to hear the TRUE knowledge of Gods word and have cast off antiquated old church traditions invented by the Popes?
@vfwh
@vfwh 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to note that any other events over any period of time could also have fit the Daniel metaphors. In the Pt 1, Mike says that poetic prophecies are not to be considered. I understood that to mean that this kind of stuff could not be considered. I'm disappointed.
@WillhideOnIce
@WillhideOnIce 2 жыл бұрын
Could you explain how any could fit as well as such?
@nilswendland387
@nilswendland387 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question about that Lion reference: Ezekiel 17,3 speaks about an eagle not a lion. Jeremiah 4,7 speaks clearly about Babylon, so I guess that reference is correct. Do you think that eagle reference is linkt to the eagles wings or did you mean a different passage?
@nilswendland387
@nilswendland387 3 жыл бұрын
Just found Ezekiel 19,3 speaks about the lion, so 17,3 probably was just a mix up
@rccola0318
@rccola0318 Жыл бұрын
@@nilswendland387 I don't think Ezekiel 19:3 is referring to Nebuchadnezzar at all.
@jodysephus6922
@jodysephus6922 5 жыл бұрын
Ever try DIVIDING those 7 verses explaining Alexanders conquests? (2-8) But one cannot divide 7 verses so our only option is to also Divide the 5th verse. Then its just a matter of re-reading verse 3 thru the first half of verse 5 to see the USA in the Middle East. Then...use that as your template for understanding Daniel 11:36-45. God bless
@fieroboom
@fieroboom Жыл бұрын
Down here in the south, we'd call him "Annyoccus Eppyfains" 😂🤣😂🤣 Kinda like when people say they're going to MAC-donalds, and my grandma used to say she liked to watch Dunny-hoo (Donahue) 😂🤣
@romacorinthians6105
@romacorinthians6105 5 жыл бұрын
Pastor Mike, can you talk about the SDA church??
@lalalal7293
@lalalal7293 4 жыл бұрын
It's false church
@fyrerayne8882
@fyrerayne8882 4 жыл бұрын
There’s no way that Daniel could be that specific hundreds of years before these events took place had his visions been mere fabrications and not from God.
@jeba8680
@jeba8680 4 жыл бұрын
It not fabrication . He has even prophecies about jesus . These are written 600 years before jesus was even born. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed. Daniel 7:13‭-‬14 ESV
@fyrerayne8882
@fyrerayne8882 4 жыл бұрын
jeba Can’t wait for that to happen! Hopefully soon.
@Evan-nb6mr
@Evan-nb6mr 3 жыл бұрын
@Fyre Rayne So... because Daniels prophesies are specific and correct, they must be false? God is somehow ruled put because they are correct? Is seems if the prophesy was wrong, you'd claim that it wasn't from God because it was wrong, and if it was right you'd claim it wasn't from God because it was right. I dont follow this logic.
@Evan-nb6mr
@Evan-nb6mr 3 жыл бұрын
It seems to me you come into this assuming prophesies can't happen and so assume that if they are correct they must be fabricated. I will then have to ask: what would prove to you that prophesies are possible?
@fyrerayne8882
@fyrerayne8882 3 жыл бұрын
@@Evan-nb6mr No you misinterpret my meaning. I believe they’re authentic.
@kazimirov217
@kazimirov217 3 ай бұрын
March 20th 2024 is when I'm watching this. Probably won't be done with this series till 2025
@redkendall4333
@redkendall4333 5 жыл бұрын
For some insight I think you will find insightful, my suggestion would be to look up the archives of the Final Days teaching from TeachingFaith.com Joe Cortez, you'll find some useful additional light on this subject
@rccola0318
@rccola0318 Жыл бұрын
Ezekiel 17:3 refers to Nebuchadnezzar as an Eagle. 19:3 doesn't refer to Nebuchadnezzar at all. Is there a different passage in Ezekiel?
@ricardodavidson326
@ricardodavidson326 3 жыл бұрын
Who is the 4th beast ? It is the most interesting
@getsumeimarson2628
@getsumeimarson2628 2 жыл бұрын
I think it will be the new world order, because it talks about how it wasn't like the beasts before as well as the 10 horns and the description of what they do. The interpretation tells that the whole world will be trampled upon, 10 horns are 10 kings/rulers/governments, and a little horn that subdued the others (anti christ) and yhats why it's not yet fulfilled. Does this make sense?
@jodysephus6922
@jodysephus6922 8 жыл бұрын
Question; when you pluck a chicken are you cutting its wings off? Also the dual symbol of Dan 7:4 was adopted by the "Persians" which are now the modern day Iranians. God bless
@leonjewells3626
@leonjewells3626 4 жыл бұрын
I want to talk with Mike on this video. Though it is an old video I hope he has come to realize the four beast prophecy and the Statue prophecy are not the same. Ned is a tree in prophecy Meds and Persians are a Ram Alex is a Goat The Lion Bear Leopard and Fourth beast are kingdoms yet to be seen or are unknown to us Note the former are Herbivores 1 even being a tree! The latter are Carnivores Much more do I have to say regarding this to prove that they are separate prophecies. Would love a chance to talk with Mike regarding this part of the Bible. Enjoying this playlist can't wait to watch the rest
@jakkeday1
@jakkeday1 4 жыл бұрын
Daniel explains why they are the same in great detail. Why do you think they different prophecies?
@tahado1
@tahado1 5 жыл бұрын
I’m confused. You said the 4th beast rises sometime in the future but the little horn that rises from the 4th beast is Antiochus? Jesus told his followers that when they saw the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place to run for the hills in Matthew 24 so he said that sometime after 30AD but Antiochus did the whole pig Zeus thing in 167BC. Also throughout Daniel the word “sacrifice” was added by the translator. It’s not in the original text. The word used is tamid which means continual and was used in reference to all of the temple ordinances, not just sacrifice.
@jeffgjere6398
@jeffgjere6398 5 жыл бұрын
Hi. So, a "little horn" is mentioned both in Daniel 7:8 and also in chapter 8 verse 9. We're dealing with two different visions, so I think it's possible to hold that these two little horns are not the same. As far as I know, some interpreters think these are the same thing, while others do not. The phrase "abomination of desolation" occurs 3 times in Daniel (9:27, 11:31, 12:11), while the very similar "transgression of desolation" occurs in 8:13. It is debated whether these are all referring to the same event or not. It's possible to hold that at least one of these has to do with Antiochus, while one or more of the others has to do with an event that is yet in the future. But an important point is that they are related - the events concerning Antiochus are a "type" and foreshadowing of what will take place with the Antichrist.
@nicki9993
@nicki9993 5 жыл бұрын
The little horn came from one of the four horns of the goat that originally had only one horn, in the second vision, not from the fourth beast of the first vision.
@ethankeating1644
@ethankeating1644 5 жыл бұрын
So basically Alexander the Great was the GOAT😂
@noobartist3762
@noobartist3762 4 жыл бұрын
Greekest of all time
@RestlessMonarch
@RestlessMonarch 4 жыл бұрын
Its symbolism.
@joshuawoodin
@joshuawoodin Жыл бұрын
Hopfully u can see this mike winger, but if noticed u have many gifts, are u doing prophecy? Or spiritual discernment? Bcuz u read the prophecy and know what it means, rather than the gift of prophecy is when god speaks to u and u repeat his word? Or am I off with that I think biblical spiritual disernment,and prophecy?
@seanhall4294
@seanhall4294 4 жыл бұрын
Daniel 8.9-14 goes exactly with little horn in revelation. It says in Daniel the little horn grows to great power but not on his own(satan). 8:10 it grew up to the host of heaven and cast down some of the host and stars and trampled them. This is fall of satan, taking 1/3 Angel's or hosts of heaven and trampling them or facing Gods judgement. 11 he exalts himself as high as prince of hosts(claiming to be God) and takes away daily sacrifice and destroys the temple. This is exactly what anti christ does in revelation. Even called little horn in both prophecy, given power not his own, calls himself God in temple, removes sacrifice and destroys the temple. My belief is daniel is future prophecy and goes exactly with revelation.
@MegaAce54
@MegaAce54 5 ай бұрын
Why didn't the writer or Daniel just say Nebuchadnezzar instead of crypticly, saying the beast, looks like a lion blah blah blah.
@shellyblanchard5788
@shellyblanchard5788 4 жыл бұрын
If you noticed that after the veil was rent into, that when that he didn't die going into the temple like this the Aarons sons were when they offered strange fire and were burnt to death. Jesus had cause the sacrifice to cease , and in Amos 5 he detest their solemn assembly and vain worship. He said he wouldn't smell them ,but he would ignore them. That is why this guy wasn't killed by God. The sacrifices had already ceased even though they were still doing them.
@ladym7852
@ladym7852 2 жыл бұрын
Looking a bit chunky Pastor! But I bet I did too 5 years ago. Maybe the Lord continue to bless you with wisdom and understanding. 😇🙏
@drooge42
@drooge42 5 жыл бұрын
4thbeast is rome
@RokaSoka
@RokaSoka 8 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit confused, I have heard other Christians claim that one of the beasts mentioned was the Roman Empire, I forgot what verse it is though. Also Can you point out where The Muslim empires, the European empires, and the United States is mentioned in the Bible, because all of them have played huge roles in Israeli history?
@jsnakeyes2198
@jsnakeyes2198 7 жыл бұрын
orlandiniyeah Prove it
@jsnakeyes2198
@jsnakeyes2198 7 жыл бұрын
orlandiniyeah Ah the atheist in his/her natural habitat, when confronted with a question you go to insults followed by deleting your comment. Classic 😂👍
@jsnakeyes2198
@jsnakeyes2198 7 жыл бұрын
orlandiniyeah I cant see your comments on my screen, but none the less your use of cursing and you constantly dodging the question only proves what a sad little child you are 😂
@0xFFFF0000FFFF
@0xFFFF0000FFFF 3 жыл бұрын
The 4th beast represents US (possibly in connection with NATO countries). The 1st 3 beasts represent Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. See my other comment pointing out to the 1st and the 4th beast.
@MrManta2012
@MrManta2012 3 жыл бұрын
you didn't say what religion you were. what prophecies have your church put on the record.
@guavajb4066
@guavajb4066 2 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone ignore Daniel 7:7 and Daniel 8:17--19? Daniel 8:17--19 puts the rest of the prophecy in the future. It is actually talking about putin
@str.77
@str.77 5 жыл бұрын
Antiochus IV actually did not succeed in conquering Egypt because a Roman ambassador ordered him to turn back.
@flowerpower3618
@flowerpower3618 6 жыл бұрын
Love the ribs. 😂
@sometimesismile
@sometimesismile 3 жыл бұрын
Ezekiel 17:3 is talking about an eagle not a lion
@sometimesismile
@sometimesismile 3 жыл бұрын
Should be 19:3
@rccola0318
@rccola0318 Жыл бұрын
@@sometimesismile Matthew Henry: He must compare the kings of Judah to lions' whelps, Eze_19:3. When I read Ezekiel 19, it doesn't sound like lion refers to Nebuchadnezzar anywhere in that chapter.
@MCMLXIable
@MCMLXIable 3 жыл бұрын
The image of Zeus on the flip side of the coin appears to be a bit phallic.
@jaylovely7083
@jaylovely7083 Жыл бұрын
Can the fourth King Be the false prophet Muhammad. Since he is an empirer??
@MegaAce54
@MegaAce54 5 ай бұрын
If daniel wrote daniel, why did the writer use the third person in verse 1 and then change to 1st person in verse 15? anyone?
@ibelieve3111
@ibelieve3111 Жыл бұрын
Hey
@jimhsan1
@jimhsan1 3 жыл бұрын
I got a different interpretation from my informants re: Nebuchadnezzar.. Daniel says he was driven from men, ate grass like an ox, and there was a copper and iron band around the stump of the tree (his neck). It wasn't 7 years, but 3 x 7 weeks; humans can't survive on grass, this was an advanced virtual reality he was in, he wasn't wandering around freely. They either synthesised or recorded an ox for the 21 weeks, and the collar sent the ox's sense impressions to his brain with all the details of the animal's life, both afferent and efferent and sensory. These messengers of Yahweh like to do very impressive things sometimes. Someone I knew who worked with them occasionally, 'smarted off' to them, so they put her naked on an iceberg in the ocean to "cool off" as they said, for maybe a half hour or so.
@theendwillnevercome116
@theendwillnevercome116 11 ай бұрын
No it's not future vision yet. Go listen to City of God.
@lalalal7293
@lalalal7293 4 жыл бұрын
I don't support Maccabees as they non canonical .
@happygimp0
@happygimp0 4 жыл бұрын
They are still historical books. Do you also not read Wikipedia because nothing from it belongs to the bible?
@eclipsesonic
@eclipsesonic 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, 1 & 2 Maccabees (as well as the other Apocryphal books) aren't part of the canon of scripture as they are uninspired, so you are right, but that doesn't mean there's no historical value to them or that nothing in them is true.
@eatbreakfasts7993
@eatbreakfasts7993 5 жыл бұрын
Lost interest after "the bear" then became... The ram??
@theendwillnevercome116
@theendwillnevercome116 11 ай бұрын
The fourth beast is Rome. Spoiler
@daleenduplessis6794
@daleenduplessis6794 6 ай бұрын
Hi Mike - i just wonder why people always miss Dan8:19 and 23 which specifies that the Dan 8 prophecy's fulfillment regarding the little horn is even today - still future?
@kevinwynn6582
@kevinwynn6582 8 жыл бұрын
Mike I'm still a big fan of your videos. You did get one thing wrong though 1st and 2nd Maccabees are in the bible, you are just reading the wrong translation ; ) another thing that might help you understand the starting point of the "2300 day" prophecy would be to read it in the NABRE. It's not "2300 days" it's "2300 Evenings and Mornings". Every day there was an evening sacrifice and a morning sacrifice. That means 2300 evening and morning sacrifice's happened every 1,150 days. Check your history again and you will find the right starting point.Please contact me if you have any questions.Kevin.
@aFreeman0409
@aFreeman0409 8 жыл бұрын
+kevin wynn Oh he got a lot more than one thing wrong. It is total complete nonsense. Did you read how many times Daniel was told his prophecies are about "THE TIME OF THE END"? I did. He was told NINETEEN times. Daniel is ABOUT NOW, not Cyrus the Great or any other time in the past. All these experts and none of you know anything. Daniel told you 19 times his visions are about the time of the end. Gabriel also told YOU that the vision is about the TIME OF THE END (Verse 8:17). The word is "tamiyd". *The continuity, perpetuity, the ONGOING ETERNAL PROMISE - that which all have AGREED UPON*. The Vision: 8:2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I [was] at Shushan [*Modern day Bushehr*] in the palace, which [is] in the province of Elam [*Iran*]; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai. 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river *a ram which had [two] horns [Kingdoms]:* and the [two] horns [were] high; but one [was] higher than the other, and the higher came up last. 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, *an he goat came from the West [King of the West, USA] on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground [We went via ships and planes]: and the goat [had] a notable horn [A King - The Presidency]* between his eyes. 8:6 And he came to the ram that had [two] horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, *and smote the ram, and brake his two horns [IRAQ & IRAN]:* and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; *and for it came up four notable [Successive Presidents]* ones [New Horns] toward the four winds of heaven. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth *a little horn, which waxed exceeding great [Smooth; Good Orator; Saying great things],* toward the South, and toward the East, and toward the pleasant [land]. 8:10 And *it waxed great [Wonderful messages - HOPE, etc.]*, [even] against the host of heaven [*The Congress & Senate*]; and it *cast down [some] of the host [Usurped Authority from those other 2 branches] and of the stars [Rights of the People] to the ground, and stamped upon them [Trampled on our FREEDOMS - I,E. our FREEWILL which is the power of the Holy People, given us by God].* 8:11 Yea, *he magnified himself [Gave himself additional powers]* even against the Prince of the Host [House Speaker, Congress, Senators, etc.], *and by him the DAILY [tamiyd - continuity, perpetuity - The Constitutional Promises we have lived by SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY] was taken away [By Executive ORDERS], and the place of His Sanctuary [OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY] was cast down [FELL FROM GRACE; IS CORRUPTED - the Sanctuary is now POLLUTED].* 8:12 And *the host [New Dictatorial Shadow Government: NSA, DHS, etc to usurp the in place structure] was given [him] [By his own hand - Executive Orders] against the daily [tamiyd - continuity, perpetuity - The Constitutional Promises we have lived by SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY] by reason of transgression [Pushing the powers of the office beyond their proper place], and it cast down the Truth to the ground [He lies EVERY DIRECTION ("those dark sentences"): Orders IRS to Investigate people in secret; says peace - but orders Drone Strikes; NSA spying on EVERYONE at his behest, etc.] ; and it practiced, and prospered [The Abomination, misuse of Presidential powers, continues to grow].* 8:13 Then I heard one holy one speaking, and another holy one said unto that certain [one] which spoke, *How long [shall be] the vision* [concerning] the daily *[The Constitutional Promises we have lived by SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY], and the transgression of desolation [THE ULTIMATE UNDERMINING OF THE CONSTITUTION - The NDAA, WHICH OBSOLETES IT], to give both The Sanctuary [PRESIDENCY] and the Host [THE OTHER BRANCHES to be trodden under foot [The ENTIRE GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY Now under the FOOT of the PRESIDENCY]?* 8:14 And he said unto me, *Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall The Sanctuary be cleansed.* Gabriel tells us this happens in the time of the end, so it cannot have happened before 4/22/1948. 8:17 *So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.* ... 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: *for at the time appointed the end [shall be].* 8:20 *The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media [IRAQ] and [IRAN] Persia.* 8:21 And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia [*I,E. KING OF the WEST or the USA, we do have military bases in Greece*]: and *the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king [President].* 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas *four stood up for it, four kingdoms [Presidents: Bush1, Clinton, Bush2, Obama] shall stand up out of the nation [USA], but not in his power [But in The EXPANDED power of the office - and not by popularity].* 8:23 *And in the latter time of their kingdom [THE END TIME - NOW], when the transgressors are come to the full [Rev. 18:2], a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up [OBAMA].* 8:24 And *his power* shall be mighty *[UNLIKE THE PRESIDENTS BEFORE], but not by his own power [The EXPANDED power of the office]: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the Holy people [By taking ALL our rights as a nation - DESOLATING THE CONSTITUTION].* 8:25 *And through his "policy" [EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND EXPANDED PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY] also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand [DECEIT]; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace [USING ONLY HIS PEN] shall destroy many:* he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes [he mocks Christ all the time]; but he shall be broken without hand [God does him in]. 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] True: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days [OUR TIME] *The start of the FINAL 2,300 days of Daniel 8 began the day the NDAA became the LAW OF THE LAND. It was the ultimate attack on our Constitution and our government structure and our FREEWILL.* And he only had to use a pen. NO ONE STOOD UP AND STOPPED HIM. And it is ABOUT TO GET MUCH WORSE: *"From the time the daily is taken away and the [abomination] transgression of desolation and the Sanctuary and the Host are trodden under foot, until the Sanctuary is CLEANSED".* *2,300 days from the day the NDAA is SETUP until the GOVERNMENT IS CLEANED OUT, FULLY REMOVED AND FULLY REPLACED BY CHRIST'S GOVERNMENT.* *12/30/2011, sunset day start for 12/31/2011* The countdown has started. It will be "FINISHED" within 7 years. PS Cross-reference to the Book of Revelation to CONFIRM Daniel's vision and my post. hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2016/06/06/the-invasion-of-kuwait-in-prophecy/ PPS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushehr bibleatlas.org/elam.htm The nuclear plant in Bushehr is what Isaiah saw explode (Isaiah 21) www.google.com/maps/place/Bushehr+Nuclear+Power+Plant/@28.8296738,50.885582,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x1e527a1751247283!8m2!3d28.8296738!4d50.885582
@abzzay5167
@abzzay5167 8 жыл бұрын
''1st and 2nd Maccabees are in the bible'' Maccabees is not recognized in the Jewish scriptures and the verse doesn't state ''sacrifices''.
@aFreeman0409
@aFreeman0409 8 жыл бұрын
Abz Zay Additional evidence of where you will find Babylon, which FURTHER supports my proofs. vimeo.com/40397782
@TheMYBUTTERFLY20
@TheMYBUTTERFLY20 6 жыл бұрын
aFreeman0409 your reading false information. Here start doing some Bible Studies and stop listening to false Jesuit teachers n prophets who r decieving you. Daniels gives you the names of the King's & Kingdoms that fufilled the Prophecies. Jeremiah; Babylon 70yrs Captivity, then Daniel's the decree set forth to rebuild the roads and walls in Jerusalem which Cryus allowed after he brought them back from Babylon n not of their own leadership anymore. God says he uses these King's as his servants to punish his people and sends delusions to the people to believe what they r being falsly taught bc they have been choosing to believe man n Not God's word. You are as well my friend and God can continue to harden you if you don't allow yourself to want to seek truth of God's word and stop listening to false teachers n prophets. Open your heart and your mind and instead of fighting the people that are trying to provide you with truth you quickly tell us all we r the ones wrong when we read our Bibles correctly and do research to match up the words spoken of by God. Start praying for truth and wisdom my friend as I have bc I know there's a lot of false information and to me it gets really frustrating but I've been doing this for awhile now n I know how to dismiss False Information while I'm seeking the truth given by my Father... Here's Bible Studies for you so you can learn truth... Isaiah 21 www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/isaiah/21.html
@TheMYBUTTERFLY20
@TheMYBUTTERFLY20 6 жыл бұрын
aFreeman0409 Isaiah 21 is the twenty-first chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. This book contains the prophecies attributed to the prophet Isaiah, and is a part of the Book of the Prophets.[1][2] This chapter contains prophecies against Babylon, Edom and Arabia. And another angel followed, saying,“Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”[9] Cross reference: Isaiah 21:9, Revelation 18:2 The New King James Version organises this chapter as follows: Isaiah 21:1-10 = The Fall of Babylon ProclaimedIsaiah 21:11-12 = Proclamation Against EdomIsaiah 21:13-17 = Proclamation Against Arabia Verse 1Edit The burden against the Wilderness of the Sea The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges describes the sub-headings in this chapter as "enigmatic".[5] The Septuagint does not include the words "of the Sea".[6] As though a whirlwind should pass through the desert, coming from a desert, even from such a land, so a fearful and a grievous vision was declared to me.[6] Verse 9Edit And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen.And he answered and said,Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.[7] Cross reference: Jeremiah 51:8; Isaiah 46:1 "Babylon is fallen, is fallen": "announced in a vision."[8] See alsoEdit ArabiaBabylonEdomRelated Bible parts: Psalm 92, Psalm 93, Isaiah 46, Revelation 14, Revelation 17, Revelation 18
@colinguyan9704
@colinguyan9704 4 жыл бұрын
So a book that was written after the fact by unknown sources is proof? 1-6 is written differently and by a different person than the later added parts. This actually makes the one Ezekiel said sound good, at least there you were twisting things to make things fit rather than just having someone write down what had already happened. Zero for two, but I'll keep watching. Without believing these aren't convincing and with belief anything said is convincing.
@thesentry8981
@thesentry8981 3 жыл бұрын
I'm no paleographer and I don't have any expertise in that field, so I don't have any thing viably specific to comment on for the first part of your passage (just a disclaimer). Additionally, I would like to see where you got this information. Although, I will say that both sides may have, in a logical sense, taken assumptions regarding the date of origin for the referenced verses. To say it simply was recorded after is to make a leap for lack of knowledge of the past. The same could be said for it being written before. However, the analysis of truth in this situation lies in the remnants of the official, origin document. Being so old, it's likely that it was destroyed though. I haven't dwelled in hours of research looking for evidence of such a document, but above all, both arguments should be considered. However, that leads into what I initially wanted to comment about. You say that: "Without [belief] (altered for ease of words) these aren't convincing and with belief anything said is convincing". So clearly, from what I get from this, this means that bias is thrown to whichever side one resides on. In this view, one's own perspective is static which brings the question: is there any way or source to be objective in this situation? If people are to be automatically (with the majority) to stick to their already-held positions, then an ultimate truth outside both sides is non-existent. However, logic points that there must be an answer... An answer to the past and to sequence. To order and to meaning.
@colinguyan9704
@colinguyan9704 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesentry8981 Not really. God doesn't exist, but religion fascinates me and it there was the slightest bit of evidence then I would have to change my position. Believers on the other hand, some even state this Mark Winger for example, will change there interpretation of the bible to fit the evidence. They start from god exists and the bible is true and make things fit the narrative. If you looked at religion like flat earth you see the problem. People look at the evidence and make it fit a flat earth, while real scientist look at the evidence and use that to come to a conclusion. I've looked at the evidence and it just doesn't exist, I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I know it will never happen because man has been searching for evidence for god for 6,000 years or more and still they have nothing to show for it.
@doggoslayer5679
@doggoslayer5679 3 жыл бұрын
He made a video on all your objections lol. It’s called “defending Daniel” All parts of Daniel represent 6th century Hebrew. IF it was written by another author (despite the fact there’s no evidence for that) it would *still* be written at around the beginning of the exile.
@brittzank8987
@brittzank8987 Жыл бұрын
So book prophecy one is 4 beast are kings from the earth & described in great detail as animals. Yet you claim they point to humans from woman with zero animal looking features. Thats not a prophecy. A prophecy would be a king named Nebuchadnezzar who will rule Babylon in this exact year.
@powerword1331
@powerword1331 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, "He did put a stop to the daily sacrifices, we don't know what day this was". That is an outright lie. "WE" and every Jewish historian knows it was exactly: Maccabees 1:54 "On the fifteenth day of the month Kislev, in the year one hundred and forty-five,* the king erected the desolating abomination upon the altar of burnt offerings, and in the surrounding cities of Judah they built pagan altars." There is NO question, and the 2300 evening and morning sacrifices that are missed work out to exactly 3 years later on Kislev 25, again a WELL KNOWN DATE. (360 days per prophetical year x 3 years= 1080) + (2 leap months of Adar II = 60) + (Kislev 25-Kislev 15 = 10) 1150 Days or 2300 Evening AND Morning sacrifices. I strongly urge you to officially offer a correction to this video, stating the proper facts of the matter.
@blazekush7
@blazekush7 5 жыл бұрын
Lol Daniel Chapter 7:25 is fulfilled with your pagan Church too.
@danielroach3904
@danielroach3904 6 жыл бұрын
Why are the counter arguments completely insulting? If your confident in what your saying I don’t see the need for that. Also I’ve read most of these and his argument is way more convincing.
@bosstoober8782
@bosstoober8782 2 жыл бұрын
1 and 2 Maccabees were part of the bible canon until Martin Luther decided he didn't like them
@friedrichrubinstein2346
@friedrichrubinstein2346 2 жыл бұрын
Nevertheless they're printed in every Bible that contains the Apokrypha.
@thadofalltrades
@thadofalltrades 8 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this a lot. I think you are incorrect regarding the little horn in Daniel 8 being Antiochus Epiphanes. 1. It breaks the pattern from Daniel 2 to Daniel 7 to Daniel 8. 2. The big horn that is Alexander the Great is called "very great". The little horn that comes up after is "exceeding great." This is the pattern in Daniel 2 and 7. The subsequent nation is more powerful than it's predecessor. That does not fit the generals who took power after Alexander's death, nor Antiochus himself. He ruled at the time of Selucid decline. 3. When it says it comes up "out of them" the "them" being referred to is more likely the for winds, not the horns based on Hebrew grammar. Pushing eastward and southward and to the holy land is also the path Rome took as an empire and as the papal power during the crusades. 4. The abomination of desolation is the destruction of the temples, not Antiochus' blasphemy. All the other fulfillments fit Rome as well. Especially where it mentions the Prince of the covenant. That's not a priest, it's Jesus. When Jesus was killed, the sacrifices were taken away and nailed to the cross literally and ceased spiritually, then for good when Rome destroys the temple.
@lukesteele4510
@lukesteele4510 6 жыл бұрын
A better example than the last one. You are still showing a degree of ignorance to prophesy. Much of these prophesies came from Nebuchadnezzar's dream and Daniel being close to kings and kingdoms as one of their major advisers would have been well aware of the political landscape so it is not beyond belief that he could anticipate many if not all the events since though plausible are not beyond being interpreted by hindsight without them being written after some of the events. Really though i would be impressed if you had spoken on the fulfillment of Isaiah 2:2 since Utah (the name given by congress not the Mormons) translated means top of the mountains and the temples built there are very literally built right out of the mountains. And the word of the Lord has very literally gone out to all nations from there. In addition several of those temples were built long before the generation referred to by Joseph in what you deem his false prophesy died showing a potential fulfillment of that prophesy as well. Remember who you are trying to speak to. Atheists can and will question your interpretation of any prophesy no matter how plausible that it may have been for knowledge. Without an additional witness or 3 your case is easily dismissed as wrong interpretation. Fortunately for my faith I can point to dozens of independent witnesses not the least of which is the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith since evangelical evidence is as flimsy as the rice paper that the Bible is often printed on.
@budekins542
@budekins542 6 жыл бұрын
Luke, there's no possibility that Daniel could have predicted that the empire after the one he was living in during his later years ie the Persian empire - would be replaced by another empire that would split into four mini-empires ie the Greek empire. And then to predict the 2300 days/morning-evenings of the oppresion by another future leader - Antiochus - is more than possible for a lucky guess.
@lukesteele4510
@lukesteele4510 6 жыл бұрын
+Bud Ekins you seem to be of the opinion that I don't believe that Daniel prophesied, or that those prophesies may have been fulfilled. The point is that this video is a preach to the choir type, when it appears to have the intent to persuade non believers, which it is dreadfully lacking in the ability to do. Since actual records and actual authorship of many of the Books in the bible are in question the possibility that Daniel was written or edited after to seem to have predicted events that had already happened is one way that skeptics could respond. Also by its own narrative Daniel was intricately involved with the dominant political groups of his age so as a potentially very astute (a quality the text grants him) individual he could very well have anticipated potential political situations in the future even if his text was not written or edited later to match events. Even his understanding of actual Prophesy seems lacking in my opinion which means that creating a viable discourse on prophesy is all but impossible. To be honest I really feel sorry for the limited resources that protestants and all other traditional Christians have to try and support a belief in God and Christ. One compiled book, from one small region, written by one people about a God who they claim is God of the whole earth who could not preserve them as a group is a shaky foundation for real faith. Though if that suffices for you I applaud you because it is not enough for me. For that matter the Bible doesn't even have all the Books it claims as sources, let alone all the books that could potentially be included which begs the question of whether it is complete or not.
@MicahTheDon
@MicahTheDon 5 жыл бұрын
@@lukesteele4510 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:35 KJV bible.com/bible/1/mat.24.35.KJV
@adamropp4757
@adamropp4757 5 жыл бұрын
Luke Steele There’s really no other effective way to say this but that you’re very ignorant. A God who could not keep them together? If you actually studied the Bible you would know that it was predicted and Gods will for the Jews to be punished for their vile disobedience and rejection of the Messiah. Hence, their disbanding and destruction of the Temple relatively a short time after Christ’s death. Also, even inconsideration of Gods will for these punishments and disbands to occur, it’s a divine testimony that despite their unprecedented persecution for thousands of years their heritage, culture, religion and bloodline still remain to this day. Now they’re even back in the Holy Land! No relevant group today from ancient times has the exact same religion, exact customs, exact traditions and in the exact spot other than the Jews. This is an amazing testimony to the validity of scripture. The idea that there are multiple Gospels blah blah blah is a rabbit hole of study, but is nonetheless there for anyone to discover the truth. Obviously you have not looked, nor would it make a difference if you did. Like Atheists, at some point your logic will stop and your willful blindness will take over.
@jimurban5367
@jimurban5367 3 жыл бұрын
Daniel had some dreams and wrote them down. He or later writers interpreted those dreams as metaphors to fit the political climate. This sums up Daniel 7-8. Honestly, if God had the power to give predictive visions to people, why doesn’t he just get to the point and give explicit details, not metaphors? If this prophesy had said that a prophet named Jesus would be born and develop a following, Pilate would order him crucified after which his following would grow as oral legends of Jesus spread and were embellished, the first account of Jesus would then be penned decades after his death and is therefore unreliable, and about 2000 years later Mike Winger would be making KZfaq videos, THEN I would be impressed.
@thesc0tsm4n9
@thesc0tsm4n9 4 жыл бұрын
it's not simple reasoning when you intentionally represent the so-called "evidence" which doesn't meet the criteria to actually be evidence, especially as you're making a fallacious conclusion based on trying to make things fit your predetermined conclusion. this video provided nothing but hearsay. you could literally make nearly any argument you want and still wouldn't have any validity.
@Evan-nb6mr
@Evan-nb6mr 3 жыл бұрын
When trying to figure out a prophesy you can't see if actual historical events fit the prophesy? It seems this is the only way to see. Generally, historians challenge the date of Daniel because of their assumption that there can never be a prophesy. You can debunk any prophesy by assuming it was written before it was prophesied. If you entertain the idea that prophesies can happen, then you can't conclude for certain that the prophesy here was made up. What is the criteria to actually be evidence?
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