@Daniel Boey Not only in Malaya. The Hakka migrated to Taiwan after most fertile lands were cultivated by Minnan-Hokien people. They also fought Many wars with the Minanese and indigenous peoples. Outwardly Hakka seemed to be a disadvantaged group. But many Minanese (mainland China and Taiwan), Cantonese, Chaozhou people described them as greedy and land grabbing dialect group. Every group has good and bad people. Don't put a stigma on them and be open minded.

My great grandfather also came to Borneo island along with many other Hakka too, probably already 5 generations if i were not wrong. there is also called "Punthi-Hak" which probably refer to Hakka who already aquired some land and settled like my great grandfather and other Hakka here in Borneo.

@Daniel Boy @ son of heaven In Semenanjung Malaysia some many years ago Hakka who are born and bred in Malaysia also called themselves Punti Hak. They want to differ themselves from those Hakka born in China which are called Tongsan Hak. 唐山客. In China Guangdong Province there are two Prefectures, 梅州市 and 河源市 there are nearly 100% Hakka. So there were and are Punti as well as there are very few other dialek group. The Hakka is a relative term used by the imperial dynasties government to identify residents who newly migrated to lands which were already developed by the Puntis which already organised into villages and has ancestral temples,祠堂. In some Cantonese and Teochew counties, late commers Hakka still managed to cultivate new farming lands and form small Hakka villages among established Punti villages

@@johnnyzhao7698 now I know where the Pontianak name came from. 👍

@@laurencechan470 : You need to know that... the Qing dynasty... they were the mongolians and manchurians. The original Hans... were from the Song dynasties... and a few genuine Hans chinese are left inside China. Many individuals today, are actually mixed race. Mixed with mongolians (Qing dynasty)... and also koreans (Jin dynsty).... The last few ruling genuine Hans chinese were (Ming dynasty) And (Song dynasty). This is why.. when "Taiping Rebellion".... (太平 - 天國 - 運動 = Pacific - Heavenly Kingdom - Exercise ) took place... it was a clash of the Pacific (meaning, those from outside of China, the foreigners).... or the fight about the foreign trades... basically. I now get why... some people, like, the genuine cantonese and Ming's people.. literally would have second wives.. or mistresses in hope to continue to expand their own legacies. Cos frankly... why shouldn't they live as genuine chinese, and on their own turfs any more ?? And today, in Malaya... and SE Asian... so many people are now.. they intermarried with those local tribes. And aren't even chinese any more. Even if they have Hans Chinese names. Shouldn't they follow the rights... to actually erase those chinese written names.. and assimilate into those societies already? Cos the war is already lost. No more Chinese.

who bought n who sold, or was it snake heads people that exploit cheap labour?

@@aloyd6157 he died before i was born so i don't know. I don't think he shared much with his kids

Was he really "bought and sold"... or was he willing to work abroad, because somebody gave him money to do so ? Cos his home had no money, and that he had no inheritances, cos he was living on somebody else's turf ??? Cos every farms and areas, had their own central treasury/family wealth pot etc etc etc. Which is it to be ???

Same. My great-great grandfather was also Hakka from Guangdong and sold into slavery in Malaysia during the Punti wars. My great-great grandfather’s owners liked his work ethic and let him buy out his freedom. He later started his own shipping company in the later years of his life.

@@belikestephanie that's pretty cool! My grandad started his own rubber plantation

You also need to remember that, the English alphabet romanisation of the chinese language of "punti" 本地 and "hakka".... 客家.... So why would the chinese character "客" (guest) be used here ? If the individual is a foreigner to that specific areas? If you watch the old actual movies about imperial times, then you would know that, some cities were gated, and they were closed off, to outsiders. That is appropiate, and it tries to follow Imperial Laws. All laws are applied to the people living inside the city itself. And anybody else is a foreigner. A migrant to the area, and the region. It had always been this way.... So why are people acting like, "because you have the internet, everything can be yours, even if it is owned by somebody else" ??? Why are people fighting to this extreme ??? The words "Punti" and "Hakka"... were the Westerners trying to put some kind of orders, and understanding, in order to do trades. This is why, you would find old documents, with such words in them... Cos to try to "smooth" the feelings after the second world war, this is what took place. Well.. cos you invaded those people, and those people ran off... Well.. this is possibly, why now.. the "national security laws" were enacted in HK as well.... Cos surely, some people are allowed to live on their own land, and their own turfs, right ? Even the house that I live in here in the UK.. (and I class myself as a "punti".. is owned by a Lord.).... and in a way, I am only "renting" the space.. as I live.. and I pay my taxes etc. This is why I need to earn money, to keep living. So when does.. the calm.. will happen for China ? When ?

Well, that is true on my mother's side of the family. Her father was a Hakka and her mother was a Punti. If the Hakka-Punti wars continued, it would have been in a marital context 😄

Yes, my aunt is Cantonese who married with Hakka man who is my uncle. At end of day, we are all Han Chinese, a big family.

there is another

Phun thi

客家佔地主!

That's history, there's no animosity now.

My grandma is a Hakka from Meixian County in Guangdong migrates to Indonesia, surprisingly she made friends with Cantonese, but not really with the Hokkian, some Cantonese shop owners want to marry their daughter with my dad. Lol 😂 but my dad chose her own girlfriend my mom who is Hokkian peranakan

Did Punti and Hakka mix before these animosities?

​​​@@gene.digger: No.. because they represent from different imperial dynasties of people. Aka... from different royal family trees.... and they aren't cousins cos it's from different race I think too. Check out their surnames and DNA etc. Fyi... Japan has a sophisticated system that actually keep things separate and legitimate as well. If you understand something then you understand something. Day chu = Landlord.... lol... I used to think, why do I need to pray in front of an actual alter with the day chu. I realised that is because that location is where my ancestors put down roots. Western philosophy calls it a religion or calls it a philosophy. How about seeing it as an actual method for documentation and to keep unity of the family clan ? Then the top tier actually has the real ancestors etc.

Who TF cares and why did the channel host like this comment?

@@Zero_Contradictions Well, maybe I shouldn't have, but some people have just a less cuddly tone and KZfaq isn't the dinner of the Queen of England, I am sure Hawai Fighting Alliance didn't cry over my comment, relax.

Reedem lol let us stay un redeemed please :p we rather not deal with snobs

Dr Sun isn't a Hakka!!!

​​@@ChungshanStoryHakka people don't feel they are Chinese, see their Building in the Taman Mini Indonesia in Jakarta, it is called the Hakka Museum and not the Chinese Museum ! They feel they are Hakka more than they feel they are Chinese ! It is different with the Hokkian people which call themselves as Tanglang (Chinese people from Tang country), seldom mentions the word Hokkian . There would never be a "Hokkian" museum , instead the Hokkians will call the building the Chinese Museum instead (not the Hokkian museum), different than the Hakkas with their non Han thinking

Jika kamu bukan orang Hakka jangan memberi penilaian kepada kami orang hakka, anda mengatakan kami lebih merasa Hakka dari pada orang china hanya karna museum hakka di taman mini, anda tau anda telah menghina kami orang hakka. Anda terdengar bodoh dengan mengatakan orang hokkien memanggil diri mereka sebagai Tang Lang atau orang tiochew memanggil diri mereka sebagai Teng Nang tapi anda tidak tau bahwa kami orang hakka memanggil kami sendiri sebagai Thong Nyin. Pesan saya kalau anda tidak tau atau hanya tau sedikit lebih baik diam. Kami putra putri keturunan hakka kami bangga dengan luluhur kami, kami bangga dengan sebagai orang china indonesia dan kami lebih bangga lagi sebagai warga negara indonesia tempat kami hidup dan berbakti.

@@santiom5631 Don't get me wrong, in China Mainland there is also only Hakka museum , no Hokkien museum or canton museum. Hakka have facinating story, hardship, preservation of ancient tradition, and the political influence from the time of the Chinese revolution to the China you see today. we also call ourselves Tong Nyin 唐人 (Tang people). I'm sorry, Your ignorance makes you look stupid, lack knowledge and insight

A lot of people of course, dare not say such details and such things, cos there had been a crime. This "story" is about an old crime... !!!!

But Hakka and Teo Chiu people are the same though, aren't they ??? You need to check out which hakka people, this is. Or is it a case of two lots of hakka people fighting for land and resources?? It's good to also check out why people are killed as well... If indeed some people were part of the Imperial elites, then defying their orders, often get your entire family killed off. It doesn't make sense if they were both hakka people... Those were the days and the laws back in those days.

@@MeiinUK Nope, its like French and Brits. The language, cuisine, traditional rituals for example funerals and weddings are entirely different. If teochew and hakka can be lump up as the same, then so as Koreans and Japanese as we do share many words in teochew, hakka and fujianese. though we might seem the same, we are NOT at all. observe the similarity yet differences for the word local ie benti in Official China language , here is a few example. Poon thi = hakka, poon tay = teochew, poon nie = foochow. poontei = cantonese, benti = putonghwa

@@MrNajibrazak: I wrote the "chiu chow"... and hakka. Cos some of the Chiu Chow people in HK or in SG... are actually Hakka people. From Chiu Chow. Punti in this context and in this scenario are the Cantonese... and most likely not Northern tribes.. but the Bai Yue people more like.

​@@MrNajibrazakThe French and the British are a BAD example because they historically, culturally and in the language they SHARE a lot. The current english language is even partially derived from French(and German).

@@MeiinUK teochiu and hakka are 2 different etnic.

Good luck fighting the punti!

@@ClaimClamfighting for what lol 😹

shit pau mang?

Love both

I'm a 4th generation Chinese born in the diaspora. N yes we still identify according to our subgroups. A magical bond is formed the moment you met a total stranger from your subgroup

Even though you say that, some of the "Cantonese were sold".. if it is to the case of the British... well.. my grandfather got a wage, and we got housing. So.. and then in return those money came back into HK as well.. otherwise, the elites would not be kowtowing so politely ..... (and they came back with the British Army to boot too.. since they drove those ships which they worked on)..... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdFmmsly2d2-Z4U.html

I never knew hakkas were nomadic that explains a lot

​@@jasper5902the Han is literslly made up of 3 ethnic groups. But idk why they just combine these groups into 1.

@@yoloi2470 maybe to have a more inclusive identity i guess

My Chinese side of the family in Hawaii was Punti.

@@Keleneki i may be both.

Twinkie.

thats fascinating since as taishanes we would be more punti and not hakka but it's interesting somewhat how close hakka sounds to some regional taishanese

That’s so weird, cos Hakka in China is not considered an insult and neither is Beifangren which literally means northerner.

@Skypad00 I had no idea because my siblings and I were raised in northern Minnesota and had moved to NY. Didn't know anything about China or Chinese language. I was

@@Skypad00 Never been to China.

You mean evacuating entire population 30 miles from coastline along entire east coast just to conquer Taiwan? The things China will do... and US thinks it can deter

😂 in China now. Only ☝️ 1 chinese. 👍

Watch this... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jt-Zldx7vcqll2g.html This is about the Song dynasties in HK... as well... Cos.. they took the Emperor... and legally turned him into a erving Emperor... but in the end, his civil servants... all killed themselves in the sea.. to stop the legacy or the idea to be taken by their enemies. The child was a legitimate heir. And they gave him the title. Cos they know that, once they lose the war... the Imperial Seal would be taken over.. and the other party would rule the land. To stop them from doing this... They rather killed themselves off instead. They became citizens. (There are actual.. very low key heirs.. elsewhere... but they just don't have the ruling powers. Or the seal. Maybe they don't have a high number of themselves... but that is why, so many things happen the way it does.) The Mongols (Of Yuan Dynasty was not Hans chinese). Nor were the Jin dynasty (Korean) .... This is why today, the Souther is a big big big mess.

Oh.... why is the South China sea so important? I don't think that it is about the actual... petrol and oil. Cos the Emperor killed themselves down there as well... along with the imperial seal. (Some feng shui people say... find the Imperial Seal... and you would re-establish back the Hans dynasty...)

And both times the failed miserably

Dirty KMT collaborated with Japan and are disgrace to all Chinese, they are the lowest of the low, they are a disgrace to the memory of Sun Yat Sen.

@@genghissu1185 Fact check: Screw you bot.

They fail because they fell short of what Song and Jin (Post 3k Sima clan rule) did better: plan ahead and comprehensively to secure well the Southern half. The Qing or CP in the north would have stood on their two feet better too compared to the real timeline.

I think you might need other languages not just English to grasp what is meant. The land in English can mean lots of things - not just a patch of earth but 'the land of my fathers' and so on.

@@dewittbourchier7169 I speak the native tongue. I don’t think you need to tell me what it means.

@@dewittbourchier7169 my comment was to aim at the video translation which is incorrect in its context. Punti = 本地 and it is used by Cantonese speakers to refer to themselves relative to somebody who is a migrant (外省人), which in this case is the Hakkas (客家). Hakka is a Cantonese term that is phonetically translated into English and it roughly means guests. Why do many foreigners like you feel compelled to tell a Chinese person what his native tongue means?

@@361983200 How one might translate it. And because I have dealt with this same problem with speakers of other Indo-European languages where they will translate a word closely but not quite accurately like the French word 'patrie' is not just 'fatherland'

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a72qfKeFvbepm40.html

Vice versa..

Weird, my Cantonese aunt married my Hakka uncle.

Do you know most leaders are Hakkas in recent history of China ? Do you know the three famous sisters from the Song family were Hakkas from the island of Hainan ? The three sisters are Song Ai ling, married With the richest man in China. The secong sister Song Qing ling, married with Sun Yet Seng and the third one married with Chiang Kai Shak.

Really ??? And where are you from ? If you don't mind my asking...

@@azulahuang3154 : You need to double check that as well... cos the "punti" surnames are quite specific.... if my understanding is correct. And some people assume that, certain individuals are "hakka", but they are not ? Actually. Why so many people assume others were "hakka" could have been because ROC.. were actually running the UN then. At that time. So....

In Kuching Sarawak, our natives and the Malays just simply love the authentic Hepoh Lei Cha（河婆擂茶） and the Hakka motherwort Chicken( 益母草鸡). Our Hakkas never had conflict with the locals here but did fight with the British King of Sarawak, Raja James Brooke. Over 2000 Hakka gold miners, mostly women and their children, were smoked to death in a cave in the gold mining town of Bau. Today special permit must be applied to visit the cave.

@@azulahuang3154 in Kuching it is pronounced as Hopoh Lui Cha or just simply Lui Cha, not my favourite dish as i always get indigestions after that. To many, it is an acquired taste but it is gradually disappearing. Fast.

Because many Han supported the foreign decadent Qing dynasty unlike the hakka !

@Kazuha Itō 伊藤 かずは Well said. There is a Sun Yatsen memorial museum in downtown Shiqi 石歧 the provincial capital of Zhongshan county where Sun was born and bred. They have ancestral records 族譜 that can prove Sun is not Hakka.

Sun Yat Sen, the father of modern China, is a Hakka. Historical records testitfy to this. His wife, Sung Qinling is also Hakka.

@Kazuha Itō 伊藤 かずは As such he is hakka too!

@@singalong9177 more correctly Hainanese Hakka from Wen Chang, Hainan.

Same

Can u all speak hakka in australia?

The particular rebellion I was speaking to refers to the second: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Turban_Rebellion_(1854%E2%80%931856)?wprov=sfti1

Yeh. I know... I am reading this very very local data now.... and this is why the push back from HK now.... what it has not done is audit who is who etc.

Not true, while the Taiping thought of themselves as Christian, they were not accepted by the West as they were anti-west too. They believed that God does not resides and dictate by the West and as such, they were not supported by them although they were free to preach. The leader considered himself a brother of Jesus and had visions of God himself and does not bow down to the Western missionaries. The Taiping leaders were Hakka and also with a lot of the minorities support and they control the South for more than 50 years. They started the first communes in China based on the earlier chapters of the Bible.

@@jasonyap7634 - That is how missionary did to Native Indians in America. 1st, came in as peaceful religious mission. 2nd, established there with Native people. 3rd, divided within their own people. 4th, supported to kill each other. 5th, after all the killings, the west came in and colonized the place. Think again, Jesus didn't come from China. The bibles they read were from missionary. The weapons they got for Taiping war were from the west. Go to Middle East and see the geopolitical conflicts.

It's the correct pronunciation in Hakka, not Cantonese.

@@patrickleong8374 yes 本 is an aspirated P in Hakka different from Cantonese B( unspirated p in han yu pingyin). 地 is ti in Hakka different from Cantonese tei. Well, Hakka slso settled in Teochew and Hokien areas and they were called Khek Nang 客人. Teochew and Hokien also call themselves Bunti

@@laurencechan470 in teochew and hokkien its pronounced as poontay /puntey whilst hakka is punti. i speak teochew and hakka at home following my mother's side as she is a mix of both. khek nang is hakka people in Hokkien for those which are confused. there are easily 7 dialects from South China and all sounds almost similar but also entirely different at times while PutongHwa feels absolutely foreign like Korean & Japanese. Given a different twist in history, all these dialects should be seen as languages of their own, like Korean & Japanese language which also shares similar words with Hokkien, teochew & hakka. personally i found foochow the hardest to get right. anyway, siak pa mui. xD

​@@MrNajibrazakwe are all ethnically Han, so topolect rather than dialect is more appropriate.

the Cantonese also call themselves by that term.

Why ? So the USA can exploit it ? Well as a Hakka descendent and knowing a lot of Punti descendents we both hate white people more and are united in resistance to American influence.

Yes. Mainstream Han Chinese parents that hold on to traditional prejudices will be pissed if their kids marry a Hakka. Kind of like KKK Whites in the Southern States Of America would react if their kids marry you-know-who.

@@georgeso4364 Especially Cantonese in the Siyi/Seiyap counties where Punti- Hakka fights killed thousands of people after the collapse of the Taiping Rebellion.

Laurence Chan Yeah, my aunt went hysterical when her eldest son married a Hakka and even refused to come to the wedding. It’s sad how these ancient prejudices cling on. Luckily, my cousin is in a happy marriage and they are wise enough to let go of age-old hatreds.

@@georgeso4364 Every dialect group has good and bad people. We must not be prejudice against a certain group. Your cousin is a wise man. Happiness to his and your families.

Because we are all ethnically Han, so topolect rather than dialect is more appropriate

@@MrSpiritmonger Who is "we"?

@@inotaishu1 Hakka and Cantonese

@@MrSpiritmonger And why are these two groups classified as Han?

@@inotaishu1 Hakka and Cantonese peoples are subgroups of the Han ethnicity. These two groups self-identify as ethnic Han Chinese.

本地人 or Bendi in Mando or Puntei in Cantonese. 本地人basically means Cantonese

TQ 👍

@@Jack-mm3bl : "Punti" is not a race as such, but this is based on writing or diaries or observation from somebody who wrote about this. And this is why it is now translated as directly because... "punti" means that there were people already there. As opposed to.. which the British did in terms of their writing to say that nobody was in HK at that time ? So this article dispel that myths. And in fact, there might have been people, even if the figures were not beyond 100k people. But there were people there. Just not in the millions. So when people were "dictated to move to the coasts"... by the so called Qing dynasities... this is whereby a war broke out.. the assumption that nobody was there.. and then the people came back to defend their homes and everything.... maybe somebody sent the signal.. but in the end, this is why they broke out in war. Around 1 million people died. So who were these people that died ? Why did they come back then ??? Or did those families or established registered residents, called "their relatives" from nearby to fight back this invasion ??? What do you think really happened ???? Did they went to their local provincial governor and called for back up ? What do you think happened and why the 1 million in deaths ???? When you see a sitation, and "facts", and the timelines and everything, isn't it weird that... sometimes, certain information is missing from the written work ?????

They could possibly be "Bai yue" people.. in case you're wondering. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue

@@MeiinUK no, Punti is Cantonese. The Baiyue were sinicized over 1000 years ago. Only living Baiyue are the Yue (Vietnamese)

Stupid talk !!!

the history of China never fail to repeat itself. it is akin that the entire race is under a curse. China better look inwards first and fix itself instead of pointing at ppl all the time. and Taiwan is a country.

bullshit 😂

China is threatening everyone in SEA not the other way around! China claiming sea as far as the Borneo sea wtf they are thousand miles away from China. SEA nations must unite to fight back againts China thievery.

Your claims on SCS is rubbish. South East Asia depends on it for supplies as well and trade lanes. The hilarity of drawing lines and claiming as your own when so many countries depend on it.