The "DIGIMAX" 3D Object Digitizer - Make 3D Models from Physical Objects!

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CelGenStudios

CelGenStudios

8 ай бұрын

A surprising find at the 2023 Interim Computer Festival! This lathe-looking device lets you mount a physical object and draw it out in 3D. From there can we do much else with it? Lets look over the hardware and the software.
A special thanks is in order to fellow creator Adrian's Digital Basement for offering me the chance to work with this neat device and getting the demo vehicle setup and to Mac84 for generously helping on sourcing the software and the documentation. Check out both of their channels below for more neat old tech stuff!
/ @adriansdigitalbasement
/ mac84
Mac84 has also put copies of the documentation as well as both the Amiga and MS-DOS version of the software on the Internet Archive.
archive.org/details/Impulse-d...
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@Mac84
@Mac84 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I'm so glad I was able to help preserve the elusive software and documentation. Thanks for demonstrating this rare beast!
@nfnworldpeace1992
@nfnworldpeace1992 8 ай бұрын
^ Hero ^
@alphadog6970
@alphadog6970 7 ай бұрын
Based. Its only 70 leafs what a cheapskate 😅
@dwindeyer
@dwindeyer 7 ай бұрын
@@alphadog6970 ikr
@nivfrak6781
@nivfrak6781 8 ай бұрын
The company that made this, Impulse, also made a 3D modeling & ray tracing package called Imagine (hence the default file format). It was originally for the Amiga and had the exact same GUI as the Digimax software.
@adriansdigitalbasement
@adriansdigitalbasement 8 ай бұрын
This unit came with an Amiga 4000 and a whole other bunch of stuff a local guy here in Portland used for 3D rendering. He never explained how he used this particular thing but he did this kind of work for a living, so I assume it was a tool to help him model physical objects.
@brentdrafts2290
@brentdrafts2290 8 ай бұрын
In 1981 when I was in the ninth grade I used my Atari 400 and four game paddles to make a 3d translated in rough for using a simple basic program to peek into the memory map positions and reading the paddle positions which were 256, or -128 to 128 I think, been awhile, basically a positive and a negative movement from the three axis. I used a program I found in a PC software book which drew a circle on the screen. I created named variables in the circle drawing calculations radians, sine, cosine number. Turning the to x and y knobs changed the shape of circle and the third paddle z axis stepped the next circle to space away. The data was saved into a 3 dimensional array to save the entered data step and for screen redraw.
@adriansdigitalbasement
@adriansdigitalbasement 8 ай бұрын
Wow this is so cool!!! It wasn’t even me who hooked up the Mini. It was the previous owner I got this from. Steve is a legend to get the software for this. Wow!! I never found the disks or manuals although all the stuff I got with this (and all the other hardware) is spread in various places in my house. So one day it might show up in which I’ll archive it.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing it to the show. I was a bit nervous at first that this might not ever work again but it turned out this was actually quite fun. I spent a few hours playing with it once I started to get the hang of the input process. Now I'm wondering what else I can digitize as a better example.
@AndrewLeTourneau-CenterOrbit
@AndrewLeTourneau-CenterOrbit 8 ай бұрын
You made him so happy in this video! ❤ You for this! Found a new content creator to subscribe to!
@iwasinnamuknow
@iwasinnamuknow 8 ай бұрын
That is a beautiful Laserjet in the corner. I have a 4M/plus that I use for PCB toner transfer. I could beat someone to death with that printer and it wouldn't have a scratch on it, plus it's still cheaper to run than any modern junk. Absolutely from the golden age of hardware mfg.
@BrassicGamer
@BrassicGamer 8 ай бұрын
I'm so happy that everything (and it was a lot!) came together so that this facinating piece of hardware still lives. Amazing that Mac84 was able to recognise the value in preserving the software and documentation, because the odds of finding those were slim to none (but not impossible). I would love to see the process of digitising a model (especially if it involved an Amiga) and then creating a 3D-printed replica using modern hardware! But, for now, this was awesome.
@Wolfshadow6
@Wolfshadow6 8 ай бұрын
There is SO MUCH missing from the mid and late 90s that never got archived. Anything from 1994 to 1999 is pretty much GONE. Especially if it was on AOL or something like that. Bless the older Millennials who still have these things and are willing to archive them.
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins 8 ай бұрын
Very Amiga-ish software environment. I wonder how it plays on the original target platform.
@dragonheadthing
@dragonheadthing 8 ай бұрын
A really neat device! Thanks to you and the helpers for the effort to get it up and running! Awesome seeing unique hardware like this.
@Shiruvan
@Shiruvan 8 ай бұрын
I really want this style of touch-based 3D scanner over camera and distance sensors now commonly available, as its not reliant on color/material, and its simply dropping vertices where they are, translating between real world and digital spaces. retopologizing the scanned select vertex points would make the most straightforward vector/lossless data for replication, albeit a manual work.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
It's quite nice. This is a major step beyond me trying years ago to model something using a Spaceball mouse.
@benjaminandersen1097
@benjaminandersen1097 8 ай бұрын
this was really interesting, knowing how old tec worked really gives a perspective and appreciation of todays tec
@pepe6666
@pepe6666 8 ай бұрын
this was so freaking awesome. i think im going to shed a tear. i hit that subscribe button so freaking hard
@kramerdesign9443
@kramerdesign9443 8 ай бұрын
This was really interesting! Nice work man
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@OnnieKoski
@OnnieKoski 8 ай бұрын
Very cool. I’ve seen a couple of DIY devices that copy the arm digitizer concept, but never something like this. Thanks for going through all the trouble of getting it to work!
@ChadDoebelin
@ChadDoebelin 8 ай бұрын
This is so cool! I've always wondered how 3d scanning was done.
@SilvaDreams
@SilvaDreams 8 ай бұрын
It hasn't changed much, they just use lasers to do it much faster.
@IceMetalPunk
@IceMetalPunk 8 ай бұрын
@@SilvaDreams Although to some extent, that's changing with NeRFs and Gaussian splatting techniques...
@jrhedman8251
@jrhedman8251 8 ай бұрын
When you mentioned it was in “lofting mode” it suddenly made sense why it expected you to plot along the horizontal and vertical planes. Lofting comes from old wooden boatwrights who, when designing the boat, would graph out these lines at a 1:1 scale from their plans. The plans would have a set of coordinates splitting the ship in slices along the keel axis, water line, and profile (x,y,z). They would then use long battens (thin boards)set against these points to determine the curvature of the actual boat lines from this. Once drawn out, they would use this 1:1 scale drawing to base all cuts off of for the remainder of the shipbuilding process. The reason it’s called lofting comes from the fact they’d do this practice in the loft of the shop to avoid taking up unnecessary floor space. I can see why they used a technology hundreds of years old as their bases for doing essentially the same thing, bringing a 2dimensional drawing to life.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 7 ай бұрын
Ah! That's neat! So it's not reinventing the wheel at all to provide a somewhat traditional digitizing method rather than something new to learn.
@elitewolverine
@elitewolverine 8 ай бұрын
this was awesome and it ran from a 3.5floppy install lol, my phone's camera takes a larger mb single picture footprint today. Crazy how much we shoved into those floppy's.
@mthomsen3
@mthomsen3 8 ай бұрын
This was a really interesting watch, and jam packed with information! Awesome!
@TheRob2D
@TheRob2D 8 ай бұрын
This thing is impressive even today. I would totally use this at work.
@bunnyrabbit4972
@bunnyrabbit4972 2 ай бұрын
There was a company called SAC (Science Accessories Corp.), that made 2D and later 3D digitizers that used time-of-flight triangulation with ultrasonic chirps on two or three axis. I still have a box of the 2D versions. Pretty clever stuff. Built around a 6809 CPU.
@lemagreengreen
@lemagreengreen 8 ай бұрын
Apparently current day Blender can handle a DXF file, can't say I've ever tested this though! Neat little device, seems to work very well. Why do you think they said digitizing would be such a slow process though? it seems like you'd be able to move quite quickly.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
the finer the grid you map with the more detail you will get out of the object in the first pass but it would require considerably more time to "touch" every point.
@tekvax01
@tekvax01 8 ай бұрын
excellent content sir! very well done indeed!
@colonelbarker
@colonelbarker 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video, it's come up totally at random for me, and it's exactly my kind of content. I would love to have seen inside to know how the data is encoded and what the minimum values it can read are. Thanks again for sharing! :D
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
I tried to take the one side panel off but the black knob is in the way and even backing the set screw out completely I could not pull it off. Sorry.
@colonelbarker
@colonelbarker 8 ай бұрын
@@CelGenStudios Thanks for trying!
@chrismofer
@chrismofer 8 ай бұрын
super duper cool thank you for sharing. i'm a big Amiga head and the first PC I did 3D modeling on was the A2000 based Video Toaster with Lightwave 3D. Recently I've been having a ball running virtual Amigas and relearning Lightwave 3D. To have an Amiga-compatible 3D digitizer is nuts!
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, Amiga compatible peripherals aren't all that common.
@jeffiot
@jeffiot 7 ай бұрын
For what its worth, ive had vga recorders bounce 1 pixel like that before, and ive been able to fix it by simply throwing on the warp stabilizer in premiere
@JoelCrager
@JoelCrager 8 ай бұрын
As always really enjoyed your video was really interesting as with all that you do. Thanks for sharing and cant wait to see what you put up next. Im sure I am not alone on wanting more content from you, but understand your time and desire to do so is only your preference.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
Balancing a full-time job, maintaining an old car, keeping my own projects and equipment working and still having enough time left over for leisure. Sorry the quality at times is a bit hot or miss but thank you for enjoying it. :)
@stevec00ps
@stevec00ps 8 ай бұрын
Love it!
@alanthompson7216
@alanthompson7216 8 ай бұрын
wonderfully boffin like and so instructive .......and now you just use your smartphone and a photo sticher .....how the world turns
@creativestudios3d
@creativestudios3d 8 ай бұрын
As a 3d sculptor, mostly making models for 3d printing, I found this to be a straightforward process :) Thanks for the video.
@Desmaad
@Desmaad 8 ай бұрын
You deserve more views, man.
@lliaolsen728
@lliaolsen728 8 ай бұрын
I love this.😮
@larryk731
@larryk731 8 ай бұрын
Roland made 3d scanners years ago - don't know if they still do. The kind we sold as Roland dealers was basically a mill but instead of cutting, probes moved to measure the item.
@grandpaseed
@grandpaseed 8 ай бұрын
thanks!
@herzogsbuick
@herzogsbuick 8 ай бұрын
final words on this? "This. Is. Cool." hehehe enjoyed the video, subscribed. thanks!
@steubens7
@steubens7 8 ай бұрын
wasn't able to find if the source was available or how they did it, but it's definitely using intuition (the gui for amigaos) built with borland c++
@thehighwayman78
@thehighwayman78 8 ай бұрын
Oooh strata vision! I remember seeing this on the Myst documentary back in the day that came with the game. I remember I thought it looked so cool 😎
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 7 ай бұрын
I found a copy of it about ten years ago and just kept it around. You never know when you need a modelling suite for the 68K mac. ;)
@Vermilicious
@Vermilicious 8 ай бұрын
That's neat.
@somebodymcgee2733
@somebodymcgee2733 8 ай бұрын
I bet you could get that DXF file imported into a modern program like Blender. This would make for a really neat tool to make low poly models for retro style games, even if the workflow requiring you to run a 486 is a bit silly.
@lassikinnunen
@lassikinnunen 8 ай бұрын
You can convert dxf files various ways depending on whats in the dxf. Shapes is pretty straightforward usually even with just online web services. Dxf files can be a bit.. Weird though. its more like a format to have stuff in but that stuff can be kinda "whatever up yours buddy.". If you're to be contracted to make a component to import dxf files its very important to be very very very particular exact about what the goddamned file will have inside it as architects and whoever civil planner or other hypothetical users will not "get" it what they could reasonably expect to work.
@sarowie
@sarowie 8 ай бұрын
@@lassikinnunen I think for this specific application a simple converter could be written. I mean, in industry, the meta data and context might be more valuable then the actual drawing data. But here: It is simple triangles. Nothing more, nothing less.
@lassikinnunen
@lassikinnunen 8 ай бұрын
@@sarowie yeah this would probably be fairly simple and a guaranteed format, if some universal converter or something like poseray doesn't do it already out of box
@ChadDoebelin
@ChadDoebelin 8 ай бұрын
16:50 my first impression was that it looks like lightwave interface.
@Brewskii2117
@Brewskii2117 8 ай бұрын
I had one of those back in the day.
@rann01
@rann01 8 ай бұрын
What'd you use it for primarily?
@Brewskii2117
@Brewskii2117 8 ай бұрын
@@rann01I bought it with big plans to use it with Lightwave. Even bought some models to digitize. At the time it was the only affordable option for me, however the process was too time consuming for accurate digitization for me, so it gathered dust. (That reflects upon me more then the product) :)
@Milten130
@Milten130 8 ай бұрын
You have a DXF file, now you have to 3d print it ;)
@HamguyBacon
@HamguyBacon 8 ай бұрын
Instead of using physical machines you could use a virtual machine, or better yet 86box which emulates older hardware on your modern computer.
@Rebar77_real
@Rebar77_real 8 ай бұрын
And now we can do photogrammetry and actual lidar on our phones!
@aveoxus1139
@aveoxus1139 8 ай бұрын
When the developers of the Playstation 1 game Hot Wheels Turbo Racing needed to build 3d models of real hot wheels cars they used this 3d digitizer.
@danharlan80
@danharlan80 8 ай бұрын
I would set up a 555 timer on the 3.5mm jack and just have it sample as i moved the probe across the surface. Should speed it up and increase the resolution assuming you didn't make a mistake in the trace
@psychosis7325
@psychosis7325 8 ай бұрын
"This Is COOL!"
@budgiefriend
@budgiefriend 8 ай бұрын
Subbed.😊
@tristoms0971
@tristoms0971 8 ай бұрын
very nice video, i enjoyed it a lot, also wouldn't things like photocopiers or scanners for 2d and photo scanners or LIDAR scanners for 3d be technically be types of digitizers also?
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
They are. I seem to recall that during the making of The Journeyman Project they did resort at one point to scanning action figures in using a flatbed scanner.
@WindowsG
@WindowsG 8 ай бұрын
NEW CELGEN STUDIOS VIDEO NICE
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 7 ай бұрын
Once every two weeks is kinda spaced out but sorry, I got bills to pay! >_
@dylandreisbach1986
@dylandreisbach1986 8 ай бұрын
There are microscopes that use this same principle with a small point being used to map surface. Obviously it’s orders of magnitude smaller and it automatically maps set areas. But it’s the same principle and it can be very accurate.
@matiasbenavidesdigitalvisu9511
@matiasbenavidesdigitalvisu9511 8 ай бұрын
As a CGI modeler, is very impressive
@AjinkyaMahajan
@AjinkyaMahajan 8 ай бұрын
wow, so this whole magic is just 2 optical rotatory encoders for 2 Axes and a pushbutton. I am sure with Processing and Arduino we can recreate a better version of this. Thanks for a wonderful video !!
@dvuemedia
@dvuemedia 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Can you probe the serial output to see what data is transmitted, or what format it's using. Maybe we can create replica of this device? I would like to get one for my Amiga.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 7 ай бұрын
I'm not sure how exactly you would log the data.
@dvuemedia
@dvuemedia 7 ай бұрын
@@CelGenStudios I would first try to capture serial out using Putty and see how it looks like, then go from there.
@BOBLAF88
@BOBLAF88 8 ай бұрын
The skill required reminds me of those news reels of Chinese women making core memories for IBM👌💻👩‍💻
@TiagoTiagoT
@TiagoTiagoT 8 ай бұрын
Hm, 3 axis, requires you to calibrate a zero-point, and then the software does some trig? Kinda sounds like something that could be DIY'd from the guts of a ball mouse with a scroll wheel, plus whatever materials for the mechanical components. Interesting. I wonder how much it costed back then...
@jada1173
@jada1173 3 ай бұрын
Hey, the the original packaging i also a part of the collector items, treat it with respect.. 😄 The item itself looks a little flimsy, i bet this appliance should be used very carefully to get good results. And that the footswitch is mandatory for a great result.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 3 ай бұрын
Yeah the manual strongly suggests you get a footswitch.
@jada1173
@jada1173 3 ай бұрын
​@@CelGenStudiosi think your diy capabilities based on your videos here easy could mock up a good footswitch
@madzak9847
@madzak9847 8 ай бұрын
Just imagine that as face id scanner))
@alessandroarcidiacono1330
@alessandroarcidiacono1330 8 ай бұрын
In Pixar they used something similar too
@Lion_McLionhead
@Lion_McLionhead 8 ай бұрын
Must have been intended for rust belt manufacturing companies. 1 thing which doesn't work as well as it did 30 years ago is video capture. Looks like the mac was in interlaced mode.
@guatagel2454
@guatagel2454 8 ай бұрын
What a clever and "easy" solution. Today you could build this with an Arduino, but this is from 30 years ago.
@deathshaker0026
@deathshaker0026 8 ай бұрын
I wonder if you can 3d print the scans? Makes me feel like I should make a 3d scanning device.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
You will have to import the model first but I'm sure it's possible.
@deathshaker0026
@deathshaker0026 8 ай бұрын
@@CelGenStudios I think it would be interesting to 3d print as a model, but also we could 3d print a buck and vacuum form it.
@bundles1978
@bundles1978 8 ай бұрын
wouldnt this techincally be the first STL file?
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros 8 ай бұрын
where is it made in?
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
The product? Out East. The video? My parents basement.
@ThePrintHouse
@ThePrintHouse 8 ай бұрын
Yo I feel like I just stepped into a time capsule
@nazaxprime
@nazaxprime 7 ай бұрын
/cheer
@JeremySpidle
@JeremySpidle 8 ай бұрын
I miss my Amiga...
@Nf6xNet
@Nf6xNet 8 ай бұрын
I think it is clear that you need an Amiga now.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
I actually owned a 500, 2000 and a 3000 for up to 20 years now before the prices got stupid. I've struggled for years to get the accessories working due to uh, community incompatibilities.
@darrengurney9265
@darrengurney9265 8 ай бұрын
Is this 4 days ago or 40 years ago?
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 7 ай бұрын
You never know here. It's a bit of a time warp!
@bentboybbz
@bentboybbz 8 ай бұрын
So Adrian had this thing the whole time and didnt show us ?! 🤨
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
I can assure you that many of us have amazing video ideas waiting to get in front of a camera, but without something like the software it makes it hard to talk much about it as a static object you can't demo.
@christopherjackson2157
@christopherjackson2157 8 ай бұрын
In hindsight, of course it needs a math copro. In hindsight. Lol
@Lipi19821
@Lipi19821 8 ай бұрын
today we can do that, with far better resolution with a phone in minutes😮
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
Yep! Even at the computer show someone pulled out their tablet and mapped my *entire table* in 3D in under a minute.
@Lipi19821
@Lipi19821 8 ай бұрын
@@CelGenStudios yea, me with no real life experience did 3d mapping with my new phone (2years ago) ,just to test it.... I was blown away what I could do in 5 minutes...
@infinitecanadian
@infinitecanadian 8 ай бұрын
You didn't say 'Zed' at first? Aren't you a Canadian? Then again, people from the Okanagan region are...different.
@CelGenStudios
@CelGenStudios 8 ай бұрын
Aha! Someone caught that!
@Pockeywn
@Pockeywn 8 ай бұрын
wxy
@tekvax01
@tekvax01 8 ай бұрын
Go team ZED!! Cringe at the Zee pronunciation... Go Team Canada! :)
@xxxkueckxxx
@xxxkueckxxx 8 ай бұрын
You’re being a little rough with that for it being lend to you
@xxxkueckxxx
@xxxkueckxxx 8 ай бұрын
Downright disrespectful
@TiagoTiagoT
@TiagoTiagoT 8 ай бұрын
It was lent? I thought I heard he was given it for free... Hm... Still, for an interesting historical device that doesn't seem to be all that common, it does seem to a bit irresponsible to not treat it with some reasonable carefulness...
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