What do you think of Sonic being split into two separate characters? Do you prefer the distinction between Classic or Modern, or prefer them as one? Also, huge thank you to Wren for sponsoring this video! Offset your carbon footprint on Wren: ​www.wren.co/start/chaomix The first 100 people who sign up will have 10 extra trees planted in their name!

I personally consider Sonic as a character as Sonic. I'd only use the 'Classic' and 'Modern' to explain specific Sonic eras and character writing

We all love Generations, and I do still think it’s one of the best games in the series, but I honestly think the game did more harm than good. Sonic Team took the wrong lesson from it, and instead of learning how to consistently make good games, they thought “Hey… so we heard you like Classic Sonic, Green Hill and Chemical Plant…”

Honestly I don't mind the classic and modern versions of Sonic being separate, for as long as they don't appear at the same time like in Forces. It can appeal to both sides of the community, and it also gives some of the more obscure characters like Mighty and Ray time to shine, without getting in the way of the modern cast

There are no sensible benefits in keeping them separate especially when you consider the Advance trilogy and Heroes proves that the modern designs can work wonderfully in the classic aesthetic. Leaving classic designs as palette swaps can satisfy everyone without contradicting lore and brand consistency.

You know… I wish this never happen, I mean the idea is great but is horrible once you put it in actual action. Maybe SEGA could make separate games for classic and modern and remove the whole crossover. Edit: I played more of these games and now I realize SEGA did this so that these games could have more money, I mean nostalgia makes a lot of money but I don’t think that you should use nostalgia to make money you can use a new idea to make people happy, sure is risky (just look at Sonic Boom) but if people don’t like it you can use those criticism to make it even better, please share this with SEGA to stop this crossover and focus on new ideas coming from fans

I honestly wish that Sonic just stayed "Modern" with a 2d outing every now and then, like the Sonic Advance series. But I still wish that "Classic" characters like Mighty and Ray appeared, but modernized to fit the designs of the other characters. I love a lot of the Classic and Modern characters, but keeping the universes separate kills the possibilities of fun character dynamics between characters we've never seen interact in the canon. I want to see Mighty interact with Vector, and I want to see Rouge clash with Fang

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I think them being separate entities, especially within the SAME game, is really messy. I think the alternate dimension thing works the best because if you try to say the classic stuff is from the past then it doesn't work with the age discrepancies and design changes (like Amy and Eggman). I don't know. Clearly we're just supposed to take it at face value and not question it, almost as if this whole thing isn't supposed to have any depth. Yay integrity.

Choamix looking like modern choamix now

I haven't seen anybody mention this, but with Tails saying 'Another dimension' I think Sega were being cute and referencing that Classic Sonic is '2D' Literally Sonic from the 2nd dimension. That's the only reason I can think of why they changed it. I'm probably totally wrong but it's as good of an explanation as anything else.

For the characters ages, I think they adopted a “sliding timescale” to prevent the characters from aging rapidly, notice how they never mention specific dates (like Shadow being created 50 years ago not a specific date he was created).

I always took that Gens split the timeline in two since Classic Sonic had experienced things that Modern Sonic didn't so he would be going on his own adventures and thus allowing Sega to pull new 2D games without worrying about how it fits between the classics and the Adventure games. Technically that would mean that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic wouldn't be able to meet again since their timelines were divided, but Mania introduced the Phantom Ruby which warps reality. By the end of Mania the clash between the Ruby and the Emeralds create a rift in space-time which allows Classic Sonic to both time travel and jump back to the original timeline thud meeting Modern Sonic once again, which is why they probably went with the "dimension" term instead of "past/timeline". Yes, I understand that dimension and timeline are different terms but sometimes they do get some use as synonyms so at least for me it didn't bother me when Classic wasn't referred as a "past Sonic" in Forces as technically he wasn't a past version of Modern Sonic anymore. At least that's how I see it.

I feel like Sega could’ve kept building on the 2D gameplay if they’d continued the Advance series. Those “modern” sprites were so iconic and it doesn’t create any confusion with the IP being split up into two entities. 2D gameplay doesn’t *need* the classic art style. The classic callback is nice for a celebration but I think that as a mascot, Sonic should continue to evolve to keep up with the times. Dreamcast era is my personal favorite. But, even if Sonic gets a redesign again tomorrow (much overdue) and I’m not a fan of it, I’d prefer that over sticking to a safe, plain-and-simple 3D design forever. Keep Sonic stylized and on-trend, not safe and marketable like Mario.

As a longtime old fan from the '90s, there is no "Classic" and "Modern" Sonic to me, just Sonic. "Modern" Sonic is just an older "Classic" Sonic - puberty hit him like a truck during the Adventure games. Also, the Classic and Adventure games have a lot more in common than one might think. The Classic games may have started off lighthearted, but there were still genuine stakes and the adventures themselves got more intense and dangerous with each game. Basically, the devs were trying to one-up themselves with each succeeding title and, as such, the stakes were constantly being ramped up. This was most notable with S3&K, in which Robotnik spends the game actively trying to *kill* Sonic and Tails so they don't interfere with his biggest and latest scheme yet. Then you have the Bad Futures in Sonic CD, and so on and so forth. By the time we got to the Adventure games and onwards, the stakes had risen to the point where they resulted in darker plot points. It's all just a natural consequence of trying to tell an engaging story. The Empire Strikes Back was a much darker movie than A New Hope, and that was due to its greater stakes. Also, the Adventure games tied up plot points that had been dropped as early as Sonic 2 (in the Japanese manuals. The US manuals didn't have the same lore as Japan until SA1).

As their own separate selves, i think it works perfectly, well, up until Mania, where the game is actually tied into Sonic Forces, and it's a way for SEGA to shoe-horn in classic sonic just to get the classic sonic fans to buy Sonic Forces. Sonic Generations was an amazing game, no doubt, but it really hurt the Sonic franchise in the later game. Not only aesthetics were beginning to be recycled (like Windy Valley from Lost World although the other level aesthetics are based on Mario and not Sonic), but Classic Sonic was beginning to show up, EVERYWHERE (well aside from Boom). He was in Sonic Dash, Sonic Racing, like all the spin-off mobile games aside from Sonic Boom 2, not to mention Generations kind of became the aesthetic of Sonic marketing and even traces of it can be found now, not to mention the official Sonic social media still using the classic sonic design (although it isn't bad at all since it's the actual 2D one but still) and yet they STILL consider him his separate thing in Forces. Sonic 4 though outright didn't have him and instead had Modern Sonic in walmart versions of classic Sonic levels which is kinda funny tbh. I want to see both being marketed as different Sonics, and they also can't shoe-horn him into the main games, just make his universe seperate from the modern games and don't make a big multiverse sonic crossover thing. It's like if you decided to suddenly include Boom Sonic or Movie Sonic in the games. Luckily, to us, it seems that SEGA's doing just that now. Sonic Frontiers will probably not include him or any other dimension Sonic, and i think that's for the better.

Here’s my opinion on the matter: I think classic sonic should stay out of the modern games I think ideally his only modern appearance in the main series should’ve been sonic generations. However at the same time I like the idea that after sonic generations classic sonic‘s timeline split off into its own thing allowing there to be the main modern series but also more classic material separate from the rest of the series. They could still tied in with the main stuff with the phantom ruby disappearing at the end of mania and the ruby appearing in Forces but I think it would’ve been better if classic sonic didn’t come with it.

2D Classic fans "we need Classic Sonic for 2D games! 2D Sonic died when the series went 3D!" Advance/Rush "am I a joke to you?"

I've always seen the Classic Modern Split in the same way as Dragon Ball's Present Timeline and Future Trunks Timeline. Something happens in the past (Generations) that causes the timeline to change in terms of what happens in the future.

I like that they treated the sonic’s as two separate artstyles. Now that they’re separate it seems… wrong. It’s like old and new mario being different.

I just realized why Classic Sonic doesn't talk, but Classic Tails and Eggman can. Mike Pullok and whoever was playing Tails at the time didn't seem to have any issue changing their voices to match their younger selves. Imagine Roger trying to pull that off, ESPECIALLY at the time.

I love your videos so much! You can tell you really care about sonic and it’s endearing to see someone this genuine.

i think a while ago i saw a theory somewhere that said classic sonic did grow up to be modern sonic, but the events of generations changed the rest of classic sonic's life, and that created 2 separate timelines rather than the new past overwriting the modern.

I don't get why you can't just do two different styles of games in one time line. Advance series existed alongside the Adventure series perfectly fine, and Rush alongside the more modern games without huge lore contradictions (minus Blaze the Cat). Just make 2d games like Mania with simple stories that are closer to the classics in gameplay alongside your modern games.

There will always be ONE Sonic in the core games for me and nothing will change that.

I subscribe to the theory that Mania and forces Classic Sonic are the result of the timeline splitting off from Generations, like the multiverse theory for time travel dbz uses

I think modern and classic should just be an aesthetic difference, with no crossover. Making them separate characters is pointless and makes the cannon harder to understand than it already is.

Classic Sonic can work and fit in with continuity well but he HAS to be a younger Sonic and stop appearing outside of time travel plots. Divorcing Sonic from his past to make more 2D titles is not only unnecessary, it opens a huge plot hole just as big as the two worlds one (that SEGA thankfully got rid of and we're back to Earth) and stops us from having modern versions of Mighty, Ray, the Hooligans, etc., thus also limiting story potential. This decision is a utter cancer onto the franchise. As for the ages, while indeed Sonic's ages don't line up, the interesting thing is following Sonic Adventure if the supporting cast saw a drastic change to their ages it was by four years. For example, Amy went from 8 to 12, while Vector went from 16 to 20. Following that logic Classic Sonic before the modern time skip would be 11.

I believe the line in Forces was simply a misinterpretation. The original Japanese version doesn't specifically say "Another Dimension", It says "Another World". Which is basically the vague as hell catch-all term for this series for anything from actual Alternate Universes like Blaze's world, to literally just different land masses on the same planet, and yes, alternate timelines, such as Silver's future. The intention was almost certainly to have the end of Generations cause a timeline split, where Classic Sonic's trajectory shifts towards Mania instead of Adventure after having seen his previous future.

Personally, I always prefer the one and only Sonic with no needed explanation of the art style change and no need for the classic dimension, even if its fun for the latter to explore what-if scenarios for a reinterpretation. As after looking at Sonic Forces. Sega's overreliance on Nostalgia Pandering basically killed the timelessness of Sonic's Classic Era. I want to see companies dial back on this practice and steer back to Sonic's Modern Era just to have it all be in balance again. Because sometimes with to the limit of AAA giving nostalgia to consumers. What happens in the past, should stay in the past.

There’s a reason Classic Sonic was changed from past self to alternate dimension. After Sonic Generations a split timeline was formed with two separate dimensions, one where younger Sonic didn’t experience Sonic Generations (Modern) and one where he did (Mania).

I feel what truly ruined this was bringing classic sonic to forces, with mania they could’ve just said it took place after 3&K without making this alternate dimension bs so it would work well in a continuity sense

There's something I've wondered once I dug deeper into this: if "Classic Sonic" was never brought into the fray ever again (Sonic Dash and Runners included), would this distinction brought by Generations be as hurtful as it's being today?

I just wish they kept Classic as an art style personally. They could've still use the Classic look in any way instead of making it a seperate character kinda like in Sonic Pocket Adventure in a way. Also, there're the Sonic Advance series (Also don't make a thumbnail like that again)

This makes me miss handheld consoles like the GBA even more. If you wanted a 2D Sonic game, the Sonic Advance series and even the Sonic Rush series gave that option.

I feel like the Advance series struck a perfect middle ground between Classic and Modern. Still having that 2D Classic Gameplay with the Modern Cast while having the other story driven games. Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind Classic Sonic and the Classic Games, they just can’t lol Force Classic Sonic into the Modern Games because he’ll stick out like a sore thumb. Generations should have been a one time thing for Classic and Modern to be together.

As a legendary man once said “Sonic, is Sonic!”

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Sega officially acknowledging the two different identities of Sonic is only part of the issue. Its also just the difference in how games are handled. The identity crisis doesn’t stop at classic vs modern, but also with being more serious vs comical or Boost vs Sonic’s various other gameplay styles. People all want something different because Sega has tried so much different stuff. I doubt Sega could ever heal Sonic’s fractured identity.

You gotta love how age literally makes no sense in the sonic universe. I mean it would be one thing if the games never brought up time and age then it would just be up to the individual to decide whether they age or not. But then there’s a lot of offhanded references of time passing like the six months in Sonic Forces. The mention the Shadow joined GUN several years before the events of Sonic 06, meaning that there had to be at least 2 to 3 years between the events of shadow the hedgehog and sonic 06. Or as you mentioned Sonic literally having a birthday party. Despite all this it’s insisted that Sonic is still 15/16.

9:16 According to some fantranslations, Tails says "Another world", which is indeed where other timelines can be grouped into. And there is a logical timelinesplit because neither of the Sonics could ever experience the each other's position in the time eater-incident. So yeet.

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The thumbnail goes so hard LMAOO

Another great video! You do a lot research for these videos, and it shows how of a fan you are! Keep it up Chaomix! Side note: Forces really did mess up a lot of things lore wise, hoping frontiers will get us a good story again!

The way I see it, Classic Sonic from Generations onwards is a version of Sonic from the past who, after the Time Eater disturbs time and space, manages to create a new timeline (or dimension, whatever) that differs from the main timeline (or dimension...). That way, we explain how Classic Sonic is from the past in Generations, but from a different dimension from Mania onwards. He is younger Sonic but because of the time and space disruptions, he is also his own being, since the original Classic Sonic, who is now Modern Sonic, never experienced the events of Generations when he was small and fat. Because we never saw a version of the Time Eater in 1991. All in all, the whole "different dimension" thing was just an excuse for Mania to even exist, let's be honest. It couldn't fit anywhere in the original timeline properly, and it allows the people who end up working on the Classic Sonic branch of the series to have full liberty on what they want to do, since they would never have to worry about having to somehow fit it all inbetween Sonic 3K and Sonic Adventure. I just think Tails should have said "alternate timeline" instead of dimension but I guess making it a different PLACE rather than a different TIME makes more logical sense and allows it to be different to mainline Sonic's world, since it'd technically be a different universe altogether.

me and some friends actually theorized that the classic and modern worlds were going to have this singularity event that fused the two and gave us this giant world but the way everyone reacted to forces made sega cancel that plan of course, that might've just be an insane amount of hopium we were on but we thought it was a dope idea

Thanks again for this amazing video! Always love your content and always keep it up buddy! 😁 Also, I love the tan sonic arms more because sonic with tan arms always brings nostalgic to me! 😁

The “alternate dimension” excuse has been retconed back to being a younger Sonic.

Honestly, the only thing to me that'll make the most sense for this discrepancy, is if the split between both Sonics were a result of time travel mishaps during the events of Generations. Modern Sonic is the exact same Sonic we've all come to know, went through the genesis games, adventure, modern, etc. Basically, the main Sonic we've known. But this iteration of Classic Sonic, has experienced the same genesis games, but is now experiencing Mania as the result of time and space being tampered with, as the two characters in one place and going through all games had created an alternate timeline where the events of Mania even happens. Mania, of course, the game Modern Sonic has never ever experienced (since he isn't aware of what this Phantom Ruby even is, despite it coming up in that game). Meaning: Modern Sonic has experienced every single game we've seen. Classic Sonic has experienced the genesis games, but is now experiencing Mania, due to a divide between realities. That is honestly, the best way this can really make sense on a lore standpoint in my eyes, despite it being very unexplained in the games itself.

I'm one of those people that believe in the theory that Classic Sonic wasn't in Forces, it was Tails doing it all by himself but delirious seeing Classic Sonic to have something/someone to rely on... I dunno

I think they need to iron out the lore. Separate dimensions would work, but time flux definitely confuses everything. If they keep treating classic sonic as from a separate dimension, then things become more straight forward, not actually straight but better comprehended almost like in DC comics.

Actually dimension and timeline can mean the same in certain context. The way tails says classic in another dimensions can also imply he also from a different timelines branching off the main timeline making 2 universes. This is similar to the many words interpretation or the butterfly effect multiverse theories.

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Great Vid!

Sonic was always Sonic, as you said. It's just dumb to make them be a different character, the design is something aesthetic, maybe they could give us an explanation if they want, but it's just the style of each era. Like, Sonic in the Adventure series was slightly different from modern Sonic, he was shorter, had longer quills and even had a little fang in some artworks. Forces Sonic has shorter quills and a lighter blue shade, yet he is still the same character. What i'm trying to say is that changing Sonic's design slightly doesn't mean he is a separate character. I like to think that Sonic got older and started to have his eyes greener, maybe from the use of the emeralds (?)

I find it a bit funny how divided sonic fans can be while, from at least what I’ve seen, Zelda fans are pretty chill about the multiple characters thing. With sonic there are only 2 while Zelda has at least 2 hero’s in all the different timelines, but normally I don’t see discussions of the different links as arguments.

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The reason why they did this and the reason why they made the story of Sonic Generations halfassed is because they needed to do something that is sure to sell because they tried giving Shadow guns, Sonic a human girl to save, turn Sonic into a Werehog,forcing Sonic to battle Majin Buu, and make Sonic battle in the dark ages….WITH A SWORD! They needed something that is sure to sell because doing different things didn’t work.

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I just want the pre-mania classics to be canon, just write up an excuse for knuckles getting tricked twice, delete triple trouble, write up an excuse for the super emeralds not existing, and done.

I think I remember seeing a theory that the classic sonic from forces and generations could have become part of a completely different timeline due to traveling forward and cause it to split. I think it was part of a theory that sonic boom is just an alternate timeline or something? Idk but it sounded interesting to me

To me, Classic and Modern have always just been a difference in art style to distinguish gameplay styles and at best, give an idea of what events take place when, the character age thing DOES make it tricky, but like Ian Flynn has somewhat said, if they don't want these timeline headaches, then just dont give them canon specific ages and just give them generic "age ranges", or just give us specific ages for each game entry, granted that defies their effort to make Sonic the "defiant teen", but i feel like you can make Sonic have different ages without compromising his character, cause that's what ultimately matters. I feel like the initial reason as to why Classic Sonic was/is a thing is just an easy distinction for us as an audience, the general "it being a different art style" kind of reasoning, even if he's technically not younger, it still gives us as the audience a clear idea of "oh, this is back then" I feel like we're still early enough to fix it and have it not be the confusing lore indications that it has been so far, simply put, I don't want Sonic to go down the Zelda route where we basically have multiple Sonic's and there isn't that much connective tissue between them besides some superficial reasonings. And I'm pretty sure the reason he got changed to alt dimension is the same reason as to why the current Team Chaotix is not the same team from Knuckles' Chaotix in the eyes of Sega, Sonic Team, and Iizuka. Simply put, because they didn't make the game the version of the character is from, they're suddenly an alternate dimension. It's the same reasoning as to why Sonic Boom ended up the way it did. At this point, all we can really do is say "screw it" at the end of the day when it comes to the story, which is what everyone already does and why Sonic is still viewed as a laughingstock in the general gaming industry/market. You basically have to say "screw it, I'm making my own headcanon" or "screw it, none of the stories matter". Either way, to me, the separation is only going to hurt the series if we keep it around in the form it exists currently. Cause that means for people that want to see Modern versions of characters that showed up before Adventure 1, guess what? That's not going to happen because Mighty and Ray are Classic exclusive (because they didnt make a modern playstyle for them before Mania) unless something changes because Sega is flying by the seat of their pants and basically need to be convinced of something happening when you look at how they've been treating the lore and stories across the franchise in recent history. Like look at CD, when Sonic 4 was being developed and after it came out, the story from Sega was that CD took place after 3&K, but now with Origins, it looks like they might be changing the narrative again to happening before 2. It just goes to show how low story and lore are on the "need to do" list to them. Granted, it seems like there are efforts to fix this, but I honestly can't say I have any faith because they have yet to give me any reason to trust them in that they know what they're doing. Like, they promoted Forces as "from the people who brought you Generations and Colors" and that ended up being a flat out lie, NO ONE from either team worked on the version of Forces we ended up with, the best we got was ONE GUY who previously worked on the levels for Lost World, with two new guys under him with no experience working on a Sonic game, that's it. Only those three people made the entire list of levels for Forces.

It was great in Generations, since it was a time-travel sort of thing, but now I think it’s kind of a terrible choice. It serves to only divide Sonic’s identity rather than building him up as a character.

Sonic has a water timeline, so that's why birthdays and passing years don't affect the characters' ages.

Long story short for those who don't know the difference... An alternate timeline is the idea of how the history of someone's past could be changed if an action occurred that could drastically change how everything went. An alternate dimension is the idea of there being another world where someone's past could be different from the world they currently live in. The difference is an alternate dimension is a world separate from your own with at least some sort of differentiating feature, meanwhile an alternate timeline only happens when someone goes back in time and changes the course of history. The problem with Sonic is, technically, both of these could have happened. The fact that Sonic CD exists means that there are two timelines; one where Sonic saved Little Planet, and one where Sonic didn't. Generations canonized that Sonic didn't save Little Planet with Sonic fighting Metal in Stardust Speedway's Bad Future. So not only is there a split timeline, but the bad future split timeline Sonic got transported to the future of Generations and the good future split timeline Sonic got transported to the future of Forces. The reason I say this is because the 3DS version of Generations takes place in the good future due to a lack of bad future CD stages. Not to mention, Mania had the good future because Sonic defeated Metal in the present Stardust Speedway. So, as convoluted as it sounds, the Classic Sonic that saved Little Planet and got a good future in the split timeline was sent to an alternate dimension where Sonic not only didn't save Little Planet and got a bad future, but lost to Eggman and infinite, leading to him taking over 99% of the world. So, they're not technically wrong, but at the same time, this is wrong on so many levels.

Ian Flynn recently mentioned that Classic Sonic is just a younger version of Modern Sonic. I chalk it up to a mistranslation or not knowing the difference between dimensional travel and time travel. Also, Ian said that most of the guidebooks and manuals are no longer canon so ages don't exist for the characters anymore. I always imagined Sonic being like 18+ and Tails being 14-16. Sonic being 16 and Tails being 6 never sat right with me.

I wish they had never made Classic Sonic as part of the lore and that it just stayed as an art style. I don't want to see classic appear in the modern games ever again as a separate Sonic

It works because classic is sonic from the past but in a new branching timeline.

I personally like the idea of making classic sonic games existing alongside modern sonic games, but when they canonically say that they are 2 different characters entirely is where i draw the line

I genuinely think Classic and Modern should just be Sonic, not separate characters. It should just be a difference in artstyle. Sega needs to understand that Classic Sonic doesn't equal 2D Sonic and Modern Sonic doesn't equal 3D Sonic. I think that making Classic Sonic a cosmetic skin going forward for 2D Sonic would work well. (Many fans are tired of Classic in 3D so they should just hold off on that.) Why treat them as separate characters when they act the same? Also Iizuka confirmed twice that Classic Sonic in Mania and Forces is the same from Generations, so I'm just wondering how that line in Forces even happened. Lore wise they gotta fix the issues cause Sonic Lore shouldn't be THIS confusing.

8:23-8:50 Fairly Oddparents pokes fun at this trope. As contriversal as Timmy's Secret Wish it, it did explain why the characters never age. It turns out it's because Timmy made a secret wish by wishing to Cosmo(The fairy, not the plant) to make everyone stay the same age and have him erase his memory. It's not great by any means, but it is surprising that they actually acknowledge why characters don't age.

I made a theory video years ago and that the events of Sonic Generations created an alternate [Mania] timeline which in Sonic's case is the same as dimension. At least that's what I argued. But like that "Pariah" guy always says "SEGA never explicitly said that so there really is no explanation aside from SEGA is lazy." I personally would like it if Sonic was just Sonic. Too many variants can spoil the potency of the character.

Either it was generations or mania where they became distinctly separate universes (with mania's being due to how Sonic destroys a robot generator in the Stardust Speedway transition cutscene, despite the bad future seen in Generations. Therefore Mania is good future, whilst Forces' dimension is bad future.

I like to think there are multiple continuities going on in all timelines and dimensions. (Not going to include non-game timelines) 1. The unified timeline. Most games from Sonic 1 to Sonic Chronicles are all a part of the same timeline. 2. The split timeline. This timeline has Classic and Modern Sonic split between two distinct timelines. 3. The split dimensions timeline. Like the split timeline, but this time with dimensions. Basically means they're a part of the same timeline, just existing in different pocket dimensions; kind of like Blaze's world. 4. Two worlds two dimensions timeline. Earth and Sonic's World are considered different planets. 5. Two worlds two timelines, timeline. Like two world, but instead of them being in different dimensions, they're in different timelines. This explains why Echidna ruins were seen on Earth, while also coming from Sonic's world. 6. Every game is in a different timeline, timeline. For example: If Sonic had the bad ending in Sonic 2, he can't be Super Sonic at the start of 3. This means the start of Sonic 3 is a different timeline. 7. Every game is in a different dimension timeline. Similar to the last one, but all games run concurrently instead. 8. Forever by birthday timeline. Every day is Sonic's birthday. 9. Stuck in a book timeline. Sonic is stuck in the book from Sonic and the Secret Rings. 10. All of my endings timelines. Timelines which cover all non-canon endings from Shadow the Hedgehog. 11. Boom timeline 1. Covers the 3DS Boom games 12. Boom timeline 2. Covers Rise of Lyric. Ect...

Cool video!

Two sonics,one game “gone wrong”

I guess what they can say is that during generations the timeline split creating two separate dementions

I subscribe to the multiverse theory: When the Time Eater traveled to the past at the beginning of Generations and snatched Classic Sonic, it actually created an alternate timeline or universe ("dimension" is likely a misnomer, it's referred to as a universe in the JP script off Forces). The MCU and DBZ's Android/Cell sagas run off of the multiverse theory of time travel. Think about it: if the Time Eater had snatched up Sonic in GHZ in the past, why wasn't Sonic erased from the present? And why didn't present Sonic remember getting snatched by the Time Eater? The same reason Nebula killing her past self in Infinity War didn't cause a paradox. It's also the same reason Future Trunks killing larval Cell in the present didn't erase Cell from the future. Meddling with the past doesn't change your present, it merely creates a separate past. Here's another thing: When Classic Tails returned to the past with Classic Sonic, they went to GHZ. But Modern Tails said that he doesn't remember being in GHZ. Likewise, Modern Sonic doesn't remember the events of Generations from Classic Sonic's perspective. All this implies in my mind that the Time Eater's meddling actually created an alternate past separate from (yet similar) to that of Modern Sonic's. This is also why none of the Modern cast recall the events of Mania: The Phantom Ruby appeared on the Angel Island in the Classic universe, not on the Angel Island in (Modern) Sonic's past.

In terms of lore, we just have to assume that all the events of classic sonic took place off screen, I would say the changing point would be that instead of mania, sonic 4 took place instead? But that's just off the cuff without much thought into it

I just go with since Classic experienced stuff he would've on the future it caused a split in the timeline and instead of classic growing up thr way modern did in the og timeline he's gonna grow up in his own way pretty much like DBZ timeline splits

It would have been WAAY more interesting imo if in Generations' story, Sega showed us the Time Eater separating the timelines, showing what was one story being separated into 2 Sonics that will now follow different paths. It would've cleared up many things and I do believe that keeping them separate is a good idea, then they can have their own games in different styles, but please Sega... No more crossovers between both Sonics, unless... For another celebration like Generations.

I have an idea,they should make a sonic game that can be completed with 1 of 2 story's or the mutual 1 or all of them where you can choose to play the whole game as modern sonic,or choose the play the whole story as classic sonic,or make it just like generations where they take turns on different levels

Honestly my biggest problem is we know sega is not gonna do anything with classic sonic after the reaction he got in forces So splitting them up ultimately is gonna lead to nothing

For some reason I thought you were talking about that obscure japenese comic thing where a normal hedgehog can turn into sonic from the totle

My personal opinion is that I think Classic Sonic should've been the younger Sonic. I think it made more sense to make Classic Sonic the Younger Sonic as there's no proper evidence for Classic being in a separate dimension. It's already been established in Generations, with evidence, that Classic is from the past, and Tails just saying that Classic is from another dimension never stook into my mind because there's no actual evidence for that.

My own head-canon which would require ignoring certain "lines" in the script of games would be that after Generations there was a timeline split, with time travel working similar to that of Dragon Ball, where in Dragon Ball when Trunks comes back to the past to stop Cell and the Androids, after defeating them it doesn't change his original timeline and then that goes into the events of Dragon Ball Super during the Goku Black arc which as convoluted it is, shares the same concept of time travel. Anyway, after Generations, Mania happens for classic Sonic and Lost World happens for modern Sonic and then they meet again in Forces due to whatever they want the Phantom Ruby to do for plot convenience. So the original timeline is still Sonic 1 to Forces and for the new timeline split it would go Sonic 1, 2, 3 & K + CD (or CD between 1 and 2, debatable, I'm torn myself), Generations, Mania, Forces.

Classic Sonic from Mania/Forces is just a split in the timeline caused by Generations, it’s not that complicated

I like thinking Classic Sonic is a different Sonic, but he's just a branched timeline version. Like personally when Sonic and Knuckles became friends is when he goes down a different path due to Generations.

I feel like people keep forgetting that classic sonic in forces is Mania sonic in the fight when he has all the chaos emeralds and teleports somewhere else which is to forces. That’s why his pose at the end of Mania is the same he did in the teaser trailer and why the portal at the end of mania is the one he enters in in forces and why they keep saying dimension in forces but past in generations.

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Sonic has had an identity crisis since the manga. Anyone remember Nicky? Also, claiming that Classic Sonic comes from “another dimension” makes complete sense. “Dimension” in science fiction stories doesn’t have a concrete definition. Perhaps in the Sonic world dimension does just mean alternate timeline. And if you have a problem with Classic being from another timeline, remember that the timeline was split after Generations. Classic went of to be in Mania whereas Modern never had that experience. Time travel just has different rules in this world than what people are used to. And as for Sonic CD, well maybe the time posts and Time Stones just have different properties. Or it’s just a retcon, idk?

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Speaking of Jet Set Radio, we're getting a revival of that so have Sonic be playable in it would be sweet!

I never had an issue with Sega splitting classic and modern, there's very strong distinctions between them so I don't see what's wrong with different labels. My only issue isn't even inherent with this, I just thought Forces handled it terribly for the reasons you said. As long as they don't meet again outside of non canon appearances like Sonic Dash, I really don't see what's wrong with the distinction. I hope we continue to get both classic and modern games in the future.

When it comes to gameplay, I can see the two styles co-existing similar to 3D and 2D Mario. The 2D games can focus on nostalgia while the 3D games can be more experimental. (Like NSMB and Super Mario Odyssey). *Personally though, I would like to see a modern style 2D sonic game that incorporates the other characters.

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I personally just go with the thought that Tails meant to say alternate timeline but accidentally said dimension for some reason.

Classic and modern Sonic are the same characters for me. Just works better if they keep these designs of sonic separated and give them they're own games.