THE DOOM OF RYNN'S WORLD! A GREATER VICTORY THAN FIRST BELIEVED?

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Жыл бұрын

Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the Doom of Rynn's World, with the fall of the Arx Tyrannus! Are the Crimson Fists actually luckier than we first believed to have won at all?
Spoiler Warning to begin as the events we're discussing today are from the Warhammer 40,000 novels "Rynn's World" by Steve Parker and "Legacy of Dorn" by Mike Lee. As always I really recommend you read the stories for yourself first, without spoilers! As that's the best way to enjoy the lore for yourself!
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@mechaplatypus82 Жыл бұрын

*speaks in Valrak* "RHO MATE, YOU TALKING ABOUT IMPERIAL FISTS MATE? GIFT ME TEN MEMBERSHIPS."

@captnwinkle Жыл бұрын

Cleaning up my room while listening to my Chapter's demise. Definitely unacceptable the planet wasnt ready

@sjfarrell2.03 Жыл бұрын

Very difficult to envisage a thousand years but yeah, they should have kept up with the maintenance.

@stephenjdutton Жыл бұрын

I've been playing since Rogue Trader days and I seem to remember that in the background for the Battle at the Farm scenario in that book Pedro Cantor was said to believe that the Orks would not attack Rynn's World because they "Wouldn't mess with the Crimson Fists".

@lupaswolfshead9971 Жыл бұрын

that was one of the beliefs in Rynns world as well

@modelmanjohn Жыл бұрын

Always love the Crimson Fists. They are my next space marine army - all primaris, with a few "first born advisors", collected ready to start assembly.

@chucklytell Жыл бұрын

Imagine if some curious Iron Warriors came across such a loosely defended son's of Dorn fortress world instead of Orks, there would have been no Imperial survivors lol

@TheDeadPoolfan Жыл бұрын

It wasn't loosely defended, it had a weapons malfunction

@minhducnguyen9276 Жыл бұрын

@@TheDeadPoolfan This is the inquisitorial feud level of bad luck

@chucklytell Жыл бұрын

@@TheDeadPoolfan I would contest that if a Guard Colonel was bemoaning the unfinished walls and uncalibrated defense batteries, as well as the Monastery being virtually the sole hardpoint on the world barring the Rynn City civilian population center that it is loosely defended by IW standards

@earltheartist3697 Жыл бұрын

hi rho thanks for the art feature! ❤

@jacobbrown130 Жыл бұрын

Early morning wolf lord?! Yes please! The crimson fists are one of my faves chapters next to the black Templar

@ivarisalie8759 Жыл бұрын

Sir its 7pm

@endoftheroad6513 Жыл бұрын

Hehe yea it is 18:20 here 😂 where you at?

@jacobbrown130 Жыл бұрын

@@ivarisalie8759 it was like 8-9 am for me, I’m in Canada

@jacobbrown130 Жыл бұрын

@@endoftheroad6513 t’was like 9 am in Canada where I’m from lol

@John-jc3ty Жыл бұрын

if a single missile can do so much damage then it would make sense that the gods of chaos poured all of their strength in diverting just a single missile here and there, obliterating entire chapters

@Connordaboss45 Жыл бұрын

It detonated in their fortress monastery next to their ammo dumps.

@collecter343 Жыл бұрын

As soon as I read how it hit right in the stockpile, I had to take a moment to make sure I wasn't reading about the Lamenters because that had to be the crappiest luck of all time.

@robertjarvis3428 Жыл бұрын

A few editions back, they were dropping hints that a faction of the Inquisition was targeting Space Marine chapters. It was hinted at that a Callidus Assassin had reprogrammed the missile to hit the ammo depot.

@minhducnguyen9276 Жыл бұрын

@@robertjarvis3428 If that was true you gotta wonder what's with the inquisition and their personal hatred towards Dorns gene line.

@Wigalot Жыл бұрын

It's also easily explained by Ork magik

@jo_ken Жыл бұрын

Honestly one thing this says that in times of peace in the 40k universe that doesn’t mean you let up on your defense budget and upkeep.

@valorsayles213 Жыл бұрын

This is sound advice in real life as well.

@CoolCraftCool Жыл бұрын

What no Ultramar had loads of problems readying for war when Bobby G came back he was ordering buildings demolished and all sorts that people were objecting to it. He was having to change governance and bring planets that had broken off from Ultramar back into the fold. This was not that long after the Tyranic Wars had hit them so it should have been an area people were ready for war; but Mortarion and the Death Guard cause some serious issues to the point if Roboute hadnt woken up would they have lost half the 500 world?

@lacrosix Жыл бұрын

100 or so fist left.... man good thing GULIMAN is back with the primaris

@leandrobravo3319 Жыл бұрын

Problem with the maintenance is: You have 5 buckets. Sounds great untill you realise, you have 20 holes in your roof. It sounds like they fell behind, but the imperium as it is now is surviving in a frantic crisis-mode, so you patch up what is important at that moment, put out the fires, that are realy a bit close for compfort and hope, you will get arround to the one burning a bit off the track, before it bites you. It is not so much different from how politics work today: Fix the immediate problem and hope, that someone else is in charge, when the flaming ball of manuer you chose to ignore for one reason or another comes crushing down.

@dennisbendixen7138 Жыл бұрын

Amazing chapter. But they had it coming with neglecting the defenses. Time without war should never be a matter for any son of Dorn

@Wigalot Жыл бұрын

The incident wasn't a result of neglecting defence though?

@jo_ken Жыл бұрын

I think it’s more of the planetary govenor and their government’s fault in combination of any of the Crimson Fist chapter masters

@Wigalot Жыл бұрын

@@jo_ken how is an accidental (or rumoured to be result of Ork luck/magik) failed missile launch the governors or Chapter Masters fault? Have you read the book?

@jo_ken Жыл бұрын

@@Wigalot I’m talking about the other planetary defenses the video talks about not being up to snuff after 1,000 years of the planet not being attacked. The missile I fully believe was an Assassinorum / inquisition job

@dennisbendixen7138 Жыл бұрын

@@Wigalot i also talk about the planetary defences or lack of them working

@davidputland5506 Жыл бұрын

Love going to sleep to your videos never stop what your doing!

@PhynixDS Жыл бұрын

they failed to stay prepaired for war, they were caught resting on their laurals. their skill's and drills faded, im sure that missle was so under maintained that it more than likely malfunctioned and fell back upon it's launch site instead of having a failsafe trigger a self destruct before crashing back into the fortress monistary.

@williamlovell2050 Жыл бұрын

Love all your CF content

@justchyll2009 Жыл бұрын

Crimson fist are my favorite space marine chapter. Vote for Pedro

@Boosttackle Жыл бұрын

They my first army I'm workin on. Gotta love em.

@robertflynn4215 Жыл бұрын

I hope you do the raven guard successor chapter video of the raptors 😶‍🌫️💚

@robindowse7893 Жыл бұрын

Alessio cortez is one of my favourite captains losses an arm and continues fighting lol 😆

@joshuazarate9780 Жыл бұрын

I be but a humble guardsman yet I am flabbergasted by Lord Cantor's lack of preparation. I strip my lasgun, I dig trenches, I grease treads, I brush my teeth, I tune the vox, I wax my boots. I encourage the rest of the regiment to do the same. Sons of Dorn!? Rogal Dorn, the Praetor of Holy Terra, is your father?........ uhhhhhh what? Friggin Commissar would have my ass if I couldn't get my squad battle ready in 15 mikes. Priest would probably say something like "dis where you wanna be when a primarch gets back?" Nope, I wanna say "we're good to go my lord, Cadia stands, which way to the front?"

@jjstone1645 Жыл бұрын

The planet broke before the guard!

@DoctorCataclysm Жыл бұрын

The ultimate "stop-hitting-yourself" moment

@Duppyman695 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@lupaswolfshead9971 Жыл бұрын

Rynns world explained why this was the case right at the beginning during the ritual of blood

@darkbotx Жыл бұрын

Loved rynns world if i ever get around to making a space marine army 100% it would be crimson fists

@lupaswolfshead9971 Жыл бұрын

that was a good story in the space marine battles group rynns world

@Aureliano01 Жыл бұрын

For Rogal Dorn and the Crimson fists

@udp1073 Жыл бұрын

Son of Dorn or not, there is a reality check in this: resource are contested and contended. you need to provide for a large number of urgent matters so you give priorities, menace in the void? did the Crimson fist took a a 400 years R&R (Rest and Repose for the uninintiated)? or have them waged war on other planet? did the homeworld provide for the fleet or have they just ammasses resource and luxury? considering "grim dark future" and "there is only war" to me it is without doubdt that they focused on supply a war somwhere else than preparing for one on world.. so, yes, they made a mistake, one that had been made many many time, both in real life and in lore. Now, Wolf Lord Rho mentioned an "inquisitorial" intervention on the missile going rogue. I am not an expert on the Crimson Fist lore, can somebody point me in the right direction on this? I freaking hate the inquisition (well, most of it anyway)... so I would love to read some more stuff about this alleged conflict between the Crimson Fst and the basterd

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Жыл бұрын

As far as I know the Crimson Fists and the Inquisition enjoy cordial relations. As in they do not register on the Inquisitions radar as troublesome. They were used against a chapter that had been declared rogue, they are very codex compliant, nothing seems to suggest Inquisition sh1tlist. It's not like the Black Templars with their secret legion size, making Inquisitors that investigate them 'disappear' and butting heads with the Inquisition over the Celestial Lions.

@andrewwatts2443 Жыл бұрын

The issue is partly down to the splitting of the Legions into Chapters. Chapters are much smaller and spend most of there time spread out far and wide. The local miltary forces likely expected the Chapter to have been more hands on. You can't compare most of the Chapters to the Ultra Marines given there build empires, it's in their makeup to build and control entire planets. Most of the other chapters are merely visitors. The Chapter dropped the ball because they should have checked the defences that they likely built and were solid at the time, periodically. However the planets human defenders took it for granted that by having a chapter based they would be defended.

@brandonmyers1400 Жыл бұрын

Little fists not keeping their house in order haha what a shame.. Iron Within!

@trajanfidelis1532 Жыл бұрын

Hydra Dominatus

@Spartan12 Жыл бұрын

To be fair the chapter only had the world for around 1200 years prior to the events of the novel, prior to which they were an entirely fleet based crusading chapter not unlike the Black Templars. That being the case I don't think in the intervening nine millennia there's an established culture to build defenses for the Crimson Fists simply because they haven't needed to. The world has around 200 million people on it, mostly farmers. A fully militarized Rynns World, vs what they had still loses only slightly slower than what happened in this novel. Simply put, there was never a chance to have an Armageddon style setup with unlimited resources being thrown into the furnace by the native people and their industry. In short, could more have been done, sure, but in the Crimson Fists' defense barring their disastrous bad luck, they were as prepared as they needed to be to protect what they felt was the most important, which was their fortress in a remote mountain chain with stores and stores of supplies, not a world's population they didn't even recruit from.

@davidmiddleton7958 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the Rynns world novel. If I were to venture a theory on the destruction of Arx Tyrannus, maybe the dark machinations of the Inquisition! By offering up Rynns world to the Orks, the Ork Warlord would be drawn out! Still, a very big risk if it went wrong. As regards the unpreparedness of Rynns world, the up keep of the planets defenses was the responsibility of the planetary rulers! To quote Dorn, "I want warriors, not vassals!"

@MrAdamske Жыл бұрын

wouldnt be the first time the inquisition has fucked over an astartes chapter...

@Connordaboss45 Жыл бұрын

Crimson fist use to be the attack dogs of the inquisition. Surely they would be considered too important of a tool to throw away like that

@davidmiddleton7958 Жыл бұрын

@@Connordaboss45 With the Inquisition, certain factions would have no problems using an Astartes chapter for their own ends.

@MrAdamske Жыл бұрын

@@davidmiddleton7958 Minotaur's and Red Hunters for example

@Romnonaldao Жыл бұрын

Dorn would probably have been executing the leadership of the world one by one for the state of the worlds defenses

@mouseketeery Жыл бұрын

The Chapter *are* the world's leaders. The Chapter Master of an Astartes homeworld is, to all intents and purposes, that world's Planetary Governor.

@Romnonaldao Жыл бұрын

@mouseketeery if thats the case then that's who he would execute

@Connordaboss45 Жыл бұрын

@@mouseketeerynot on rynn's world. They keep to themselves until martial law is declared. There is a governor there at the time an old woman.

@Wigalot Жыл бұрын

Towards the end of Chapter 5 there is a hint Dorn still lives.

@yesiamarussianbot3076 Жыл бұрын

Them beakies were just lucky blue gitz.

@benives254 Жыл бұрын

I really feel that, when reading an excerpt, you should do distinct voices for the characters...... 😉

@DocWolph Жыл бұрын

11:06 More like "Can you imagine a modern military NOT performing regular tests and drills". In a universe "where there is only War", even when you have time to rest, rebuild, rearm, and prepare, NOT practicing for battle, even if the day never happens for Centuries or even Millennia, seems like utter stupidity. So, complacency is NOT the words I would use. "Criminal Neglect" and "Dereliction" better fit.

@jellydamgood Жыл бұрын

I like Cortez, funny guy.

@Krall117 Жыл бұрын

i wish your videos were longer 😁

@TheAgentmigs Жыл бұрын

Rynns World. = OoOOooooPPps!!

@Duppyman695 Жыл бұрын

A bit of a 'Boo Boo' !

@Archon3960 7 ай бұрын

So, anybody else thinking that some inquisitorial agent had something to do with the fall of the Arks Tyrannus? It was a theory at the time, given how unlikely it is for a cyclonic torpedo to malfunction. I do not believe it to be true, but it is still a possibility. :/

@user-nd3mc4el8m Жыл бұрын

hydra dominus.

@smilingbandit6900 Жыл бұрын

dont know the timeline but cadia should have made them aware. On to the primaris fists in hope they will do better.

@Kubrzesz Жыл бұрын

Hey Rho, any chance you can kindly direct me to where I can listen some of, I assume. yours music? Really would like to have a listen if you don't mind

@OGUNite Жыл бұрын

Not surprising if you know how military logistics works. There is a saying "Always ready for the last War, never ready for the Next". 1000 years means that the Administratum had probably re allocated resources the Space Marines probably focused on external threats, and the local planetary defense force was ill trained and complacent in training. This happens when country over leverage thier Special Operations units at the expense of their regular army. They can't fight conventional warfare.

@NemFX Жыл бұрын

Kantor. You think he's a good guy. The Crimson Fists were basically placing bets on when she would die. He only became 'good' when he realized his army was in the same exact position that she was. I love the story, but everyone forgets the beginning of it. The problem with the Crimson Fists is hardly unique to them. Hubris. The word you dance around is hubris. The defenses on the planet are lax, rusted and generally forgotten. Why? Space marines. They normally would fly out in their ships to attack things. The idea that something coming to their stronghold? Inconceivable. Look at Baal, Sotha, Macragge. ALL OF THEM HAD THE SAME ISSUE. The books to prove that? Devastation of Baal, Scythes of the Emperor, and like three different Horus Heresy books for the Ultramarines. Know no fear, Mark of Calth, Angels of Caliban. Hubris is the space marines constant Achilles heel.

@TheLH86 Жыл бұрын

You're right, hubris is a constant issue for the Astartes in general, likely a side effect of their transhuman nature. In their defence in this regard, I'm sure there is more to rhe upkeep of a chapter homeworld defenses than just the marines themselves. If you think about their role in the big picture strategic defence of the wider imperium, and the material available to us, most of the chapter is never at home to begin with. Your about companies are consumed with training and preparation of the next generation of recruits, while any returning line companies or strike forces are usually re arming and refitting for immediate redeployment. I can see easily how allowing the mortal defence forces to assume responsibility for maintaining their own defences would in turn free up warriors and resources to be spent on their primary role. Does this mean they're blameless for the lack of foresight and preparation? No absolutely not, but it does mitigate somewhat the unqualified shade being thrown at the chapter for this. Most of the people criticising them for their actions have never had to make critical decisions to weigh up where there are no good choices to make, and never will. Yeah this example is a Sci fi fantasy, sure, but you can find hundreds of examples of the results of this kind of thinking and consequences in just recent history, so I hardly think it's just hubris, nor is it a flaw unique to the Astartes. If anything it simply marks them as still being human, despite everything.

@crashingatom6755 Жыл бұрын

You know this isn't real, right? LUL

@lface7426 Жыл бұрын

@@crashingatom6755 yeah genius, we're aware. But why do people read or listen to stories in the first place. I could tell you, but maybe take 5 solid minutes of your life and think about it. Probably hard for you. Thinking critically about anything is probably hard for you but give it a shot.

@crashingatom6755 Жыл бұрын

@@lface7426 do I have to remind you again that this is just a story? Don’t get your grandmothers panties in a bunch kid, go relax and touch some grass.

@eonstar2441 Жыл бұрын

Could anyone tell me the names of the books that have olanius pios or john grammaticus im new to the books

@alexstan414 Жыл бұрын

I believe they are both in Mark of Calth, and Grammaticus is in both Legion and Vulkan Lives. That's if I remember correctly. Hopes this helps. I DO, however, know that Ollanius is in a few of the Horus Heresy books that are short story compilations.

@Uzzgub Жыл бұрын

A Interaction for the Interaction God, a Comment for the Comment Throne, for the Almighty Algorithm

@BaldPolishBiotechnol Жыл бұрын

*sniffs air* Hmmmm... I detect a faint stench of heresy...

@samwisegamgee8773 Жыл бұрын

Someone shouted at me abd said its rimmsworld but I always thought was Rynns

@rogerbrownreacts8528 Жыл бұрын

100 th like.

@Duppyman695 Жыл бұрын

112 th

@enricocappi3171 Жыл бұрын

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

@justinokraski3796 Жыл бұрын

I know it’s supposed to be dramatic and sad, but it just seems like one of the Top 5 Looney Tunes Slapstick moments of 40k

@mikemarcotte5962 Жыл бұрын

Pedro Kantor: "Doh!!"

@alexrowe7063 Жыл бұрын

This was an absolute embarrassment, sons of DORN failing to maintain their planets defence and fortifications. If he were present I would not be surprised if he executed the chapter master and stripped previous chapter masters from imperial records in disgrace for dropping the ball this hard.

@HornetDaz1979 Жыл бұрын

Just goes to show the author doesnt know the chapter or the lineage of Dorn. No sons of Dorn would be so lax in their defences. I suppose it made a good story, but would've fit the lore better if it was a different chapter not of Dorns lineage.

@hugisdb Жыл бұрын

This doesn’t happen in ultramar. Just saying.

@mikemoore2791 Жыл бұрын

Why. Just. Why. And while we're at it wht work mortals into the ground. The Astartes can literally go without sleep for like a month. They shouldve done the work. Let the mortals prepare for war. And, Dorn is a builder. These guys were lazy and payed the price.

@15DEAN1995 Жыл бұрын

Should the defenses have been allowed to fall into disrepair? No. Was it inevitable? Yes. Look at how complacent we've become since war in the west stopped and that's just in 70 years. Over a thousand? That's inevitable. Macragge is a different situation in my opinion because it's a primarch homeworld.

@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын

Well, Macragge also gets invaded on a decadely basis...