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The Doors - Shootout ERC vs 2021 VMP and the Rhino 2009 mono! ERC worth it? + Listening room tour!

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Steve Westman

Steve Westman

Күн бұрын

Please join me:
Is the Electric Recording Co. The Doors worth the $500 + price tag? Find out as I compare and shootout the ERC pressing vs the 2021 Vinyl Me, Please and 2009 Rhino pressing.
Plus a tour of the listening room and a look at the GEAR I do my shootouts in.
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@jonthurston8275
@jonthurston8275 Жыл бұрын
The distortion isn't from the ERC mastering chain but is baked into the mono LEDO tape. Steve Hoffman hypothesises there was bad tube in the electronics either when mixing the mono or duping the tape. He says the stereo mix and the 4-track reels don't have it. It's less audible in the VMP version either due to the Plangent process or other moves made during the digital transfer and/or reparative measures taken by Bernie when cutting.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
The Plangent process was not used for the VMP The Doors cut.
@jonthurston8275
@jonthurston8275 Жыл бұрын
@@stevewestman7774 Bruce Botnick clearly describes using Plangent in his interview with VMP about the release dated 26 May 2021
@jonthurston8275
@jonthurston8275 Жыл бұрын
& Jamie from Plangent lists The Doors s/t in the credits list of titles Plangent has worked on.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
@@jonthurston8275 2023-02-27 10:02:30 PM Jamie Howarth wrote: Not “The Doors” or “Strange Days”, Bruce had already done those two when we were introduced.
@jonthurston8275
@jonthurston8275 Жыл бұрын
@@stevewestman7774 Out of date info: the Rhino mono didn't have Plangent but when Botnick re-digitised in 2021 for VMP he took it to Plangent. Also mentioned in the Analog Planet review. Either way, Steve Hoffman - who has had all the tapes including the 4-track reels in his hands - says the distortion is baked in on the LEDO mono dupe.
@audiotomb
@audiotomb Жыл бұрын
Nice review The Stereo Acoustic Sounds Analog Productions 45 is the way to hear The Doors debut It was the first album so it was poorly recorded. The later AP Door sound even better I think The Doors was meant to be heard in stereo A 1960s EL34 NOS tube don’t burn out, they last a very long time - Mullards are warm. I love Telefunken tubes the most - warm, transparent, luscious top end and mid range. Mike Espisito of The In Groove did a very extensive review of The Doors debut - mono, stereo - no stone unturned
@hi-fidelityrecords
@hi-fidelityrecords Жыл бұрын
Great video! You have us wanting to track down the ERC now lol
@murch13
@murch13 Жыл бұрын
This was really well done. I'm very happy with the VMP mono, I also have the 1st US monarch mono pressing, it sounds good but I think the VMP sounds better. The distortion on the mono is baked into the master tape, it's the same on the US mono monarch. The DCC in Stereo is my favorite and I've owned a LOT of copies. To me the DCC stereo is way better than the 45rpm stereo but to each their own. Please do more shootouts!
@revelry1969
@revelry1969 Жыл бұрын
Cool. I think you are picking up on mastering differences mostly. I rather not have that distortion. Several needle drops with whining sounds etc. The VMP is great and the the mono IS pretty darn good. The stereo is well ho hum. The mono VMP gives you a real sense of what the mono was and is my go too now. I normally think mono blows but in this case it is a big deal
@milesrickman9270
@milesrickman9270 Жыл бұрын
Excellent information, a beautiful setup, and listening room. I’m a new subscriber,and your videos are so crisp and informative. 4K recordings? You’re in a beautiful part of the world. Keep up the great work. Look forward to more top notch videos. Thanks!
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated. Thanks so much. Yes. That was a fun Stanley Cup playoff here in Vancouver.
@fidelios_frequency
@fidelios_frequency Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the shootout Steve. Well done. Glad to hear I don’t need to spend $500 on the ERC since I have the VMP version. 😁 and the AP stereo. Sweet room. Thanks for the tour. 👍🏻
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Stick with the VMP. Great bang for your buck.
@jasonarsenault3791
@jasonarsenault3791 Жыл бұрын
Right on Steve. This was fantastic. Nice work
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason.
@JeffersonDD
@JeffersonDD Жыл бұрын
Great video as always Steve, looks like you were very fair and you obviously had great equipment to evaluate with. I’m not surprised with the results, from all I can glean the mono has NEVER sounded that great, but audiophiles are conditioned to prefer mono before 1967 (Sgt. Peppers). Also an example of when Digital is preferred (correcting Tape defects, when possible). FWIW, the AP stereo (and all the Doors catalog) is some of the best pressings I’ve ever heard. Still, I’ll try to snag a VMP before the “Westman bump” jacks up the price again😜
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Thanks JD. Pick up a $50 VMP.
@MrMurcutio
@MrMurcutio Жыл бұрын
I had the ERC version but ended up selling it. I couldn’t justify keeping it.
@dustincollman9231
@dustincollman9231 Жыл бұрын
Really great review and comparison on these pressing. Good job Steve!! What's your take on the packaging of the albums and the ERC album cover? They use a special system to make the covers and I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Thanks DC. Album cover and OBI strip are of very high quality on the ERC.
@dustincollman9231
@dustincollman9231 Жыл бұрын
@@stevewestman7774 That's great news. I've heard their quality is over the top on everything.
@patmeadows4759
@patmeadows4759 Жыл бұрын
Greetings Steve. Great shootout. I have had a mono Electra , and stereo Electra and I have auditioned the Mobile Fidelity version. The version I have stuck with is a Japanese pressed Electra. Hands down it is the best sounding version to my ears. The ERC version is a joke. Those who would pay that $$ for a mono version that has all the flaws of the degraded master source are out of their frigging minds!
@murch13
@murch13 Жыл бұрын
Which Japanese pressing? Which year?
@AllThingsProg
@AllThingsProg Жыл бұрын
I don't think there's a mono Japanese pressing of this album out there right? Or is there?
@patmeadows4759
@patmeadows4759 Жыл бұрын
@@murch13 The cover # is P-10334E. The dead wax # is P-8339E. Discogs has that as a 1973 Japanese release date
@murch13
@murch13 Жыл бұрын
@@patmeadows4759 thank you
@casperdowlen625
@casperdowlen625 Жыл бұрын
There is no mono Japanese pressing out there of this.
@johncarsell1205
@johncarsell1205 Жыл бұрын
Nice shootout Steve. I used to have the Rhino mono but it sounded like ass so I got rid of it. I am tempted by the Vinyl Me Please version however.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
VMP for $50 is a terrific deal.
@kgobrien1
@kgobrien1 Жыл бұрын
thanks a lot for the shootout.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@frankmchugh9436
@frankmchugh9436 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping you might demo rather than give an opinion. I'm sorry about the way I feel but my opinion is anyone presenting without a demo is only what they think and may not be what others think. I do understand that many audiophile videos do the same but that doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. I understand about copy write concerns but I think the presenters should consider working out something with the company before they start if it is their intention to demonstrate what they are talking about. I've thought this about many reviews I've seen here but never mentioned it before. I guess you are the luck one. Of course I maybe the only one who feels this way. Thank you for the video in any case.
@fts81
@fts81 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, Steve. Honest comparison, very technical. I do like the VMP. MoFi I sold after I listened to it once lol. Didn’t like it.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated thank you. For the price VMP is great.
@vinylrulesok8470
@vinylrulesok8470 Жыл бұрын
Raw, fuzzy with some distortion isn't what I would expect from a $500 record. I think the issue here is whether this mono edition of The Doors mastered frome a LEDO tape is a worthy choice from which to produce a $500 edition. My view is that it isn't and that ERC really shouldn't have chosen this as a release. For $500 I would expect something that sounds awesome, not fuzzy, distorted and raw.
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 Жыл бұрын
Thanks The doors catalogue is a complete mess when it comes to trying to find the best pressings, mono stereo 45rpm 33rpm it does my head in. I refuse to buy 2lp 45rpm records regardless of how good they sound. I just want the best sounding 33rpm pressings mono or stereo without having to sell my kidney to get them. Can anyone list them?
@murch13
@murch13 Жыл бұрын
Doors stereo - 1992 DCC, the last time the actual master was used before the tape became unusable. The 45 rpm is a copy tape. Strange Days - 1st US press Monarch, and the DCC sound great. For mono try and find a US original, the recent repress is not as good as the original. Waiting for the Sun - 1st US monarch Soft Parade - gold label 1st US pressing Morrison Hotel - 1st us Monarch LA woman - 1st US pitman pressing - CP) or the 45rpm. This is a the one case where I can't recommend the DCC - it's just not as good.
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 Жыл бұрын
@@murch13 You missed the part where I said "without having to sell my kidney" 😉 I'm in Australia BTW so finding a 1st US Monarch pressing here isn't happening and getting a clean one shipped here costs 2 kidneys
@JeffersonDD
@JeffersonDD Жыл бұрын
@@murch13 wow thanks for this summary! Saves me hours of wading through the Hoffman forums!
@thomascars1
@thomascars1 Жыл бұрын
@@murch13 hilarious, the 1st monarch pressing of Strange Days is absolutely god awful, and the Gold Label US 1st of the Soft Parade stands NO chance against the Robert Ludwig cutting done in 1971 and the Analogue Productions
@thomascars1
@thomascars1 Жыл бұрын
@@JeffersonDD here’s my list: STEREO, 33 1/3 Doors - 1992 DCC pressing, absolutely gorgeous pressing and perfect mastering Strange Days - 1992 DCC, Super punchy and dynamite sounding Waiting for the Sun - 1992 DCC, you’ve never heard an acoustic guitar shine like Spanish Caravan does in this cutting The Soft Parade - 1971 RL SS mastering, club pressing Morrison Hotel - 2003 German pressing, “320” matrix L.A. Woman - 1st pressing is cheaper than the DCC but the DCC has better vinyl. That one is up in the air, whichever floats your boat. DCC has a squeaky clean cut to the mastering, but blasted, it’s absolutely powerful 33 1/3 and 45 RPM The Doors - 1992 DCC, still superior to the AP Strange Days - 1992 DCC, better bottom end but the AP is no slouch, and sounds just as good Waiting for the Sun - 2012 AP 45, fantastic and kicks ASS, also does not have inner groove distortion on Unknown Soldier The Soft Parade - 2012 AP 45, super realistic sound with floaty and dreamy horns Morrison Hotel - 2012 AP 45, absolutely definitive in every aspect, shape, form. Nothing beats this, and is my personal favorite out of the AP set LA Woman - 2012 AP 45, retains that raw and energetic aspect of the 1971 OG, but with the detail and clean vinyl of the DCC.
@analoguecity3454
@analoguecity3454 Жыл бұрын
I like the "analogue productions" 45rpm! On another note, I had to make changes to this channel do to a hacker going crazy on it! Hopefully I have it remedied!
@SpyderTracks
@SpyderTracks Жыл бұрын
The AP is stereo
@austinhunt4260
@austinhunt4260 Жыл бұрын
You absolutely can compare them based purely and subjectively on experience and overall fidelity. A great mono and a great stereo will not yield the same music experience.
@hardmoney8560
@hardmoney8560 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Idk what the hell this guy is talking about. That ERC record is GARBAGE. The notion that wow flutter and tape distortion are somehow indicative of the “mono experience” is pure nonsense. For an easy comparison, listen to the original St. peppers or pet sounds mono versions. wow and flutter are not a natural part of mono. playing it off as being “raw” is a joke. This guy is a BS’er and clearly he has never mastered an album, or ever done a professional revie
@most-best
@most-best 4 ай бұрын
What's with saying "all in" over and over?
@Onteo1
@Onteo1 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if the 2010 RSD mono is the same cut as the 2009? Seems like that one is still reasonable and readily available.
@realmackle
@realmackle Ай бұрын
No plangent process on this did it no favors lol
@casperdowlen625
@casperdowlen625 Жыл бұрын
I'm not going to give you a hard time here but since you went through all this trouble did you bother to play them on a dedicated mono cartridge?
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
No. But I used a mono switch. Assuming u watched the vid?
@casperdowlen625
@casperdowlen625 Жыл бұрын
@@stevewestman7774 Yes I did watch the video.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
@@casperdowlen625 Thank you.
@simonphillips5755
@simonphillips5755 Жыл бұрын
Nice LP12 didn’t see the power supply a Radikal 2 I trust
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
Yes the power supply is a Radikal.
@3cheaptrick
@3cheaptrick Жыл бұрын
That is sad when you buy the $ 50 VMP or the new $ 500 one that I think is crazy to spend you do not get - She Gets Gets High - on Break On Through what a joke they still doing censorship on that 1967 album after they gave us the original versions uncut for CD in 2005 thanks for posting that video I did purchase the Vinyl Me Please version for the goodies that came with it 👍👍
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
VMP cut and packaging is awesome for the price. You don’t need anything else.
@Nuclearmagenta
@Nuclearmagenta Жыл бұрын
I refer you to Mike Esposito’s comments on the ERC version. He states the the tape source is not only a duplicate that’s been EQ’d and compressed but also in a deteriorated state. He feels this tape should never have been used for a new pressing. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecppi8iKmtfUZ6c.html
@vinylrulesok8470
@vinylrulesok8470 Жыл бұрын
👍Mike is ERC's least favourite customer.
@dcfitz75
@dcfitz75 Жыл бұрын
Esposito doesn’t like anything he can’t sell in his store. Now he’s trashing the Rhino direct to customer audiophile sales. Botnick says the tape was the actual one used for the original mono lacquer. And, he should know (and he doesn’t own a record store).
@michaeledwards7668
@michaeledwards7668 Жыл бұрын
Wow those speakers are like $20k a pair..dude must have deep pockets!!
@simonphillips5755
@simonphillips5755 Жыл бұрын
He runs an audio store!!!
@Darrin.Crawford
@Darrin.Crawford Жыл бұрын
@@simonphillips5755 No he doesn't!! He pretends he does. He basically just knows the owner and has been allowed to do his videos there. Don't be fooled. He has never shown his record collection nor his stereo system from home. He's a wannabe audiophile.
@bobromano7548
@bobromano7548 Жыл бұрын
Nice shootout. However Gryphon is pronounced GRIFFIN not GREYEFON.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
👍
@dustincollman9231
@dustincollman9231 Жыл бұрын
Steve's Canadian and with that some pronunciations are different where he is from.
@JOcasio1977
@JOcasio1977 Жыл бұрын
Erc is going to be the vinyl death nail..500.00 for obi and exclusivity is an absolute ripoff when its being portrayed as audiophile
@TheDisexists
@TheDisexists Жыл бұрын
Especially given that everyone MUST buy a copy. At the very least they should make it so that we don't HAVE TO buy it. Very frustrating.
@JOcasio1977
@JOcasio1977 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDisexists your more than welcome to buy trash..just my opinion on what may turn some future vinyl enthusiasts off to the format..a slimy trail is the first sign of snake oil
@TheDisexists
@TheDisexists Жыл бұрын
@@JOcasio1977 how is the presence of an exclusive boutique copy of this album, which is available by the thousands on other pressings, going to "turn off future vinyl enthusiasts"? You don't own a copy and you're angry because it's too expensive for you. Let go. It's not for you.
@JOcasio1977
@JOcasio1977 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDisexists would never buy an inferior sounding product...dude did a shootout with a 50$ version it lost and your still defending its worth?? Ill slap a 500$ price tag on my garbage this tuesday call it boutique and await your payment
@JOcasio1977
@JOcasio1977 Жыл бұрын
I also commented that it was a ripoff in that its portrayed as AUDIOPHILE
@jblack7159
@jblack7159 Жыл бұрын
Very, very repetitious!
@mikechivy
@mikechivy Жыл бұрын
Mono. Gross.
@stevewestman7774
@stevewestman7774 Жыл бұрын
The AP 45 rpm is the best sounding stereo and best sounding version.
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