I am still hoping that Path of Titans will release a TRUE singleplayer experience, with AI Dinos roaming around and filling the world

The issue is the lack of AI dinosaurs. Most survival multiplayer games have some sort of NPC creatures/enemies that the player base has to interact with, but for some reason that’s a feature that all these dinosaur games lack. Sure they have AI critters, but these don’t replace the majesty or excitement of seeing huge herbivore herds or running away from carnivore packs. I mean imagine a dinosaur survival game with the AI capabilities of Jurassic World: Evolution 2! This would also make interacting with actual player dinosaurs more meaningful

The genre as a whole has many many problems, including the current top 3, however they were fortunate by the time they were released and the developers that worked on them. The Isle has over 7 years under its belt and path is composed of very talented devs, some of which came from Afterthought (the isle dev company), They had both the time and skill factor to flourish and succeed. unfortunately tho the overwhelming majority of the new dinosaur survival games are unable to compete with the big 3, but not only because of content, but also quality. The models are low quality, the animations are bad, the audio is mediocre, the mechanics are clunky, non functional or simply worse versions of systems we already saw before and most importantly, they dont innovate. many of these games dont have mechanics or features that makes them worthwhile, specially if the game as a whole lacks quality, and i believe a big contributor to that is both aiming too high and showcasing the game way way too soon. People dont care if your game is in pre alpha, if they see your product in a bad state they will permanently have a bad impression, thats why it is crucial for developers to show their titles only when its ready. i can comment about this topic for a long time but at the end of the day, the genre is young and very niche, as of right now only a very small portion of the gamming community enjoys these games, but things will eventually get better, they already are with path's success. At the moment these sad failures are stepping stones for better games, however they will only get better if people stop making these mistakes, only time will tell.

Saurian had the potential to be a good singleplayer alternative to the "Big Three" for people that want to avoid the toxicity on online play, but it's development has been so, so, so slow.

I think the main problem is they're just trying to make the same game that is already out there. We already see this with the current top dogs of the genre. They can be summed up as "Dino walking sims" I would love to see dinosaur games that ain't just walk sims

I am still waiting for a true singleplayer dinosaur survival where I don't have to rely on player base. But again, AI is not easy to make alive instantly

I think this is an issue because of a broader problem, the early access problem. Most indie games nowadays release in "early access" and players have been abused by this system so much that they're tired of keeping an open mind only to watch them game fail because players lose interest or the devs lose interest. Why buy an incomplete game on the promise of completion when you're already playing the same type of game that's done, or at least more complete than the new game.

The biggest problem I am seeing with these new games is they look very rushed and unfinished. The environment feels empty or stiff. the textures rough and glitchy. They want to compete so badly that they rush through the product and skip out on quality control to just have a product out there. Time is money, and if they put time into making a polished and emersive product, they may stand a better chance.

Animal survival games in general do have alot of issues, but when it comes to the demand issue, yeah, that's certainly something mostly only relevant in dinosaur survival games: the demand for dinosaur survival has already been met multiple times and people have latched onto the games they play. Another 'issuue', from what I've seen, most animal survival issues relate to the playerbase: the amount of average players, how the community acts, what the community wants and how they react to what they get. The development of some games can be shifted by the feedback of its players, for better or worse.

For me, the reason they are dying is becasue we are CONSTANTLY being shown and told about new dinos and features and then NOT receiving them and never being told about it ever again until it secretly and unknowingly get put into the game. And here's the kicker, 50% of the servers don't have the new mods. So it's IMPOSSIBLE to find out where the new stuff is at, and if you choose a server it takes 20 mintues to load the mods. For you to then join multiple servers that dont have the NEW features

i feel like this problem isnt talked about much, so cool that someone is adressing it lol good job velocci!

The DbD community voiced similar concerns about their game and why all the upstart competitors keep failing. That game has even more of a monopoly on its genre than the dino survival games do because it was the only one to do it right for a while. At least for the dino survival games, we have healthy competition between PoT, BoB, and Isle so when one is ignoring its fanbase, many of them will shift over to another one with a different niche that they can tolerate. For instance, I shifted from the Isle to PoT because the Isle's development is too slow.

This fits into the content section of the video, but I feel like dinosaur/ animal games suffer from a massive thing….Unoriginality. Too many new animal survival games are focused on dinosaurs, even though there are 3 large games that do it a lot better, and they seem to copy and paste the Isle’s gameplay loop of eat, grow, fight, die, and repeat. There are countless of themes that developers can create for an animal survival games. I’d personally love to see a game set on a fantasy world with creatures that are inspired from different cultures or play as a creature on an alien planet as I try to survive in a open world. There are also opportunities to explore the Cenozoic or Cambrian or other geologic periods. Most of these developers seem to play it “safe” and appeal to the dinosaur market, which is already dominated by The Isle, Path of Titans, and Beasts of Bermuda. As Velocci said before, “why would people visit a new game if they are already comfortable with the one they have?”

This vid reminds me of ReaverJolts video on a very very similar topic. I wanted to believe in saurian for example. I backed their game, I made a overview video that the developers themselves retweeted and everything, but unfortunately even after that one person ran off with a bunch of their money, they've never recovered. I had high hopes for the game, but now after the development is taking years to release anything meaningful, I've essentially given up on it now.

I would like to see more small/new dinosaur games get some popularity because some of the major games in this genre have some issues that need to be resolved. Like The Isle; most or hopefully, all of us know that their devs are next to completely incompetent and toxic like no other. PoT is good, but them trying to make it an MMO specifically is really getting in their own way. Haven't really touched BoB. But my point is, I want to see if these newer games can maybe even "copy and paste" one of three, but also improve its flaws. Use different dinosaurs, etc.

A key element in these new survival games is offering something meaningful that the others don't provide. I've played The Isle and Path of Titans, so I can only speak to those two. The Isle has more of a Jurassic Park feel, with the inclusion of man-made structures and seems to have humans in mind as playable in the future. The dinosaurs are more in line with the JP style, grow through a timed system, and can navigate via a scent system. They also have night vision, which in the pitch black of night can amp up the terror greatly. Path of Titans is focused on a more realistic feel rather than JP horror. Its dinosaurs are a bit more customizable, having subspecies, and having an in-game currency that afford a variety of upgrades in skins, abilities, and home caves. Growth, and said currency, operate on a quest system which gives additional activity beyond just wandering and surviving. The game is also built to allow for mods, providing whole new possibilities for players. Having an at least somewhat unique roster of playable dinosaurs can also work in the game's favor. Superstar dinos like T-Rex are all but required, it seems, but adding less utilized species that the other games don't have can be a boon, even if they occupy very similar niches. It's important to note that player behavior can play a crucial role as well. One of my favorite episodes of South Park is Make Love, Not Warcraft, and it showcases wonderfully how toxic players can put a game's success at risk. On the flip side, I've also played Draconia, and while multiplayer doesn't have many people, it's one of the friendliest communities I've ever seen.

My two cents: dino games need to not be based on the same sort of thing. For example, the big three all started out as survival games, and still are. But BoB implemented and enhanced a detailed nesting system alongside a talent tree, and PoT allowed for mods, questing, and will have other game modes in the future, making both games different from The Isle. I feel like what new dino games need to do is be actively different. They can still fall into the survival genre, but instead of the basics, maybe you need to hunt a specific herbivore, or as that herbivore, you need to escape a specific carnivore. Protect X nest for Y time, or from Z dino. Just something that isn't the same grow, eat, drink, fight that all of the big three have in common. Heck, the whole reason Oakwood worked other than its price point was the fact it -wasn't- survival; it was horror, and it did that very well in spite of its graphics.

This genre is niche and that is the problem, there isn't much to expand from. Seems like all the starting devs do the same mistake: not enough content and the content they have is pretty much clone from one of the bigger games but can't deliver same quality models, map etc. I would love to see game that has creatures from devonian period, carboniferious period or permian period, those creatures were very interesting. And animal games have same problem, they are falling in same niche, all I see is present day animals that are from Africa, just give me frigging ice age animals to play as or try continent with different animals for crying out loud.

I feel like there are so many single player dinosaur games where you play as the human. But.. like zero where you play as the other side. The only one I can think of is that Lost World PS1 game. It could easily be done, maybe as a stealth game or even reverse-horror. But all the devs just make games where you're some person with a gun. The one's that do make games where you play as a dinosaur (heck, any animal or beast) just make them solely multiplayer. They also never do a great job of making the dinosaurs feel unique with regards to combat. A Tyrannosaurus should be able to grab smaller creatures, a raptor should be able to pounce and grip.

The issue with smaller games is that they're not really offering anything new, they are just copycats of copycats. Even the big 3 are constantly copying ideas from each other (for example, BoB had flight mechanics first, then Isle and PoT followed; or PoT had body collision first and the Isle followed). New games will not succeed unless they can offer something radically different that is not present in the big 3. PoT was late to the competition but managed to catch up thanks to having an unusual roster of species as well as being extremely mod-friendly.

The thing is that these games also need to be cross platform and cross play to bring in more players. One thing I love most about POT is that it does just that. I'm a Switch player, and POT allowed me to play with friends who either only had a PC, Xbox, ps, or even just a mobile device. I know it takes a lot for a game to be able to do that and be a decent game. But all multiplayer games should aim for this if they hope to achieve a bigger following

The biggest thing that a new dino game needs to do to successfully compete is to offer something that the others dont. Like a create a dinosaur suite. I can guarantee that a lot of us want to create our own dinos like we did on paper and in Spore. It's easy to compete when you offer things that are unique to your company. That's why Long John Silver's was around for so long or why WWE keeps pumping out video games. They offer things that the competition doesn't. Yes, LJS was ran out of business because McDonald's now serves fish and 2K Sports had released an absolutely terrible game that made the company not release WWE 2k21. Bumps will happen. But it's always good to offer things that are unique. Think about the Isle and it's unique mutations

Never really thought that much into it. Makes me what to give other games a better shot other than the big 3. I'm usually hesitant due to the low player counts which is counterproductive. Thank you Velocci!

The problem is the ‘big three’ are effectively empty battle sims, rather than survival. The isle has very little npc Dino’s and they’re only small prey Dino’s. Path of titans has npcs you have to interact with a spawner to release and are just prey that run away from you. And dunno what the hell bob is doin. Glad to see someone bring up multiplayer as a struggling point of Dino games, since even the big three just use it as an excuse to avoid content, or get sucked into trying to be a people pleaser (cough cough bob cough cough) Something I want to see is a dino survival game thats solely singleplayer or at the very least has a singleplayer mode or campaign. It makes sure developers properly flesh out mechanics and their vision, because they can't just release a paid game with like 2 solo missions.

Idk if there's too much to discuss here. After one dino survival simulation game releases, all the others are going to be derivative unless their goal is to make something different. The 'big 3' have enough substantial differences between them to allow them these top spots, but most other ones are either so derivative of them to the point of being so similar they're pretty much irrelevant, or just so different from the 'mmo dino survival' shtick that people who are into the genre don't really pay much attention to them. We're talking a pretty niche 'market' here, so it's extra difficult.

The problem I see with this type of game is the very same problem I see with any wildlife game. Which is why I avoid them. It's easy to for us humans to make a human based game, but to make a wildlife game is about as challenging if not more, than a space Sim. To make immersive, you have to know the physical mechanics of almost every animal that exists. Impossible. Millions of different scenarios for each action taken. It's alot.

Just lack of creativeness and realism. Life of a dinosaur wasn’t “collect 35 nuts”. It was find specific food, find water, watch for danger, find shelter, find a mate, guard the babys, find food for babies. Ai dinosaur mates would be a great addition in my opinion. Creating your own ai herd for your specific Dino. Finding your food water etc. Defending your territory and young from predators. Imagine migrating to the far side of the map for food and water bc your area is in the dry season. For a dinosaur game you need a massive map, bountiful ai, dangers lurking, and things to constantly do or avoid.

It also sucks that any new dinosaur survival game that comes out will be super judged on what the dinosaurs do, their abilities, what you can do with the dinosaur youre playing as, how customizable it is, etc. It will be soley compared to one of the big 3. A game developer would need to create a whole new system for a dinosaur survival game that none of the big 3 have. And that would be really hard to do. But it IS doable. I just hope there comes a time when there will be a game that takes everything from all 3 big dino games and implement it all into one game. The isles graphics, beasts of bermudas weather, skills tree, colors etc. Path of titans mods and fighting abilities and animations. Etc. It would be the ultimate game

What dinosaur game was in the beginning with the Majungasaurus?

- I enjoy The Isle but it takes way too long to get into the real meat of the game(adulthood). If they just cut growing times in half, it'd be a much more enjoyable and less stressful game. - Path of Titans is way too gamey with the silly quest system and switch out perk system. It feels more like an MMORPG than a survival game. - Beasts of Bermuda isn't anywhere near the quality of the other two.

To me why i kinda drifted from path of titans is the fact i really do not like gondwa but every single server runs it (realism that is) if there were more servers with more maps to choice from to fit my playstyle i would be really invested into this game. It's why i am hoping a new modded map gets added in the future that servers run as i am so sick of gondwa lol.

É uma pena que o The Isle não tenha para consoles. 😢 Quem sabe venha num futuro...

Looking at upcoming titles like Instinction and The Lost Wild gives me hope for the dinosaur video game franchise as a whole, maybe they aren't the exact dino rp sims like the isle and PoT, but they still hold their own weight in the genre. Also, if The Isle's devs can actually put their money where their mouth is with their latest Roadmap, then maybe the Isle is going places.

I play The Isle and Path of Titans. Now much more PoT because it's less stressful. I really liked The Isle back when we had different maps and mods and progression instead of growth. I know a lot of people like growth more, but for me that wasn't the case. Since all that is gone, I like PoT way more (yes, it has growth too, but on community servers it does not take that long and if you die you don't need to start all over).

i undertsand this completly. i my self am working on a dinosaur game on roblox with a few of my freinds. not only is it hard to get people even enterested in the idea of playing the game, but its also hard to get people to help work on it. i thought i was being smart because if you are in the roblox dinosaur community, you know that currerntly we have a lack of good dinosaur games on the platform. so with this being said i thought to take the oppertunity and start the project, it is most certainly an up-hill battle. as me and my small group work i can only hope. (btw sorry for a long comment)

My problem is that there's barely any variety. It's rather an Isle copy or broken hunting game, or Ark. Honestly want a Platformer or a RPG dino game. I do like how we're getting Horror games but only one I'm excited for because unlike others it's not going for the realistic look and instead going for PSOne visuals which looks really good.

This has gotten me thinking about my game i want to make. It would be about alien survival. I wanted to take elements from all the big three, while adding my own mechanics, making a functional, fun, and replayable single player mode, while also having key differences such as procedurally generated terrain, in game currency that doesn't require real money, co-op Multiplayer. RPG elements like npcs, shops, crafting, and building... Hoping that this would be enough to make my game stand out from the big three enough to not have a comparison point.

Shiftyvee video was pretty nice, he talks mostly and mainly about the dragon survival games, but it do relate. The new human and dragon survival game called The Wings of Dawn thats coming up pretty soon is a very nice game that im pretty sure will gain a lot of members, after launch of their tech-demo, and later in the future, they will also introduce human only and dragon only servers. Meaning it will cover a lot of players interests from different places, plus collect them in the prime game which is both human and dragon survival

Not to mention that even the BIG 3 games have a LOT of problems that have to be resolved, and we don't know if they ever will. We are so used to games trying and failing, even the successful ones that we play, that people stopped believing to animal games actually implementing what they promise. It's impossible. And if you add the multiplayer problem, they are doomed. I really hope one day a small team with brain and no megalomania, will try to create a small game, with few but well thought and immersive mechanics. The mega projects, with hundreds of species and mechanics, with a totally free gameplay will NEVER work in this genre (unless you play for pvp and chaos).

I am always interested in playing any new dinosaur games that are released. Being a Path of Titans player, I’ve been very interested in playing The Isle, however, being that it’s only on PC, I’ve been restricted to my console. If more of these games would consider being cross platform, I think that they would have a much higher player base. I think if given the opportunity, I would play many of the newer games that are coming out, like Primal Earth for example. But again, I’m restricted to my console, as many of these games only release on certain systems or pc

One thing that's strikes me from POT not lasting as its ruthless in learning curve. Problem being is the new comers trying to learn the point of the game. The mechanics of every dinosaur without being KOS by accomplished veterans. Young dinosaurs have zero chance as if they can't fight and are to slow to flee. A very harsh game to even grow a little. Private lobbies with AI Dinosaurs the player can learn without been bullied from the game before they really start to grow. Challenges of territories of dominant packs of species. Learning how to fight and when best to split. Multiplayer doesn't always have to be PVP to succeed especially when thrown in with day one players with fully grown perked up Dino's who know it of by heart. A mode as such with friends vs AI would definitely appeal to many as the PVP no killing lobby players a place to team up and enjoy. I agree the game needs far more content then collecting branches, acorns etc to work but it's something for the players who just can't compete with the death loss of growth respawn far far away from the group. It seriously needs different modes in PVP and definitely PVE even if it's still to its survival genre.

Have you ever heard about "for the hive"? Two developers who have been spending years on that game. It will be the first insect open world mmo and I'm super excited for it! It's not dinosaurs but it's something new and i think it's going to do very well.

and not have multiplayer just go singler player with incredible NPC interactions

You made a lot of great points that I hadn't thought about before, Velocci. It's a sad situation. I don't like to see these developers struggle. I would love to see more dinosaur games out there but seems so much more difficult for developers to break through on this genre for all these reasons and more. You touched on the cross-platform aspect and that point is incredibly important for me, at least. I got started on iOS and now play on Mac and Xbox so Path of Titans is my preferred and only dinosaur game [noting here that I prefer no humans and semi-realism aesthetics. Sorry 'bout that, Ark, Paleo Pines, etc.] I appreciate how Alderon Games (Path of Titans) has tapped into the players of console, Switch, Mac, mobile, and more. PC players have had it pretty good and has left those players rather spoiled for choice at this point. It's probably going to be hard to beat the well-established PC-only games and the cross-platforming PoT if no other dinosaur games choose to implement cross-platform capabilities into their own development. But I will admit (toward your first point) that even if the Isle or BoB (or even the single-player Saurian) or any of the new games were cross-platform, PoT is my ideal game. The game style is ideal since I can quest and don't feel obligated to PVP, no humans coming to the game (I've waited many years for a dinosaur game that isn't through from the perspective of a human hunter/exterminator), and the models and atmospheric elements look good enough to take pretty wallpaper screenshots (shallow as it seems, aesthetics matter for me here)! PLUS modding is giving me even more lovely dinosaurs and playables to take pictures of and hang out with my friends. I'm not sure what elements would be needed for launching a new game that gets to be as played and favored as the big 3 in this genre but I hope that future developers in this genre (and even the current ones trying to stand out in the crowd) consider aiming for cross-platform. I can't help but think that it could help broaden their player-base opportunities. Despite not being a developer myself, I'm sure it is likely easier said than done. But if they could manage it, I expect it would help AT LEAST improve their odds of growing a community and thriving for the long haul.

you have no idea how much of a flashback i got when i saw "progression points"

I actually frequent both POT and The Isle pretty equally. The only reason I tend to play POT more is because I can access it far easier, seeing as I don't have a PC and I can only play it when my partner is at my house (he lets me borrow his gaming laptop while he's here.) I love both for different reasons. POT has a better map and selection of dinosaurs than The Isle, but The Isle offers a more realistic approach with better AI and animations. Both are good in their own way, but I've never tried BOB. May have to have a look into it, as well as add the new dino games to my collection! I enjoy experiencing the differences each new game has to offer, but I will say, I'm not entirely set on Dino games with humans. I prefer more realistic approaches, and I know The Isle want to add humans but honestly I don't think they'll be that popular.

didnt think we would hit the wall of the dinosaur game market being filled and having its own big 3 so soon, its just like yesterday the isle got announced and i was playing a shant among the trees

My favorite dinosaur game till this day is 'Primal Carnage'. If a game only offers survival as an objective, then the best way to not die is to not play. It just isn't my cup of tea to be constantly on edge during a walking simulator. My point is, if a new dinosaur game is going to come out and be successful, it needs to not be trying to emulate the big 3 whatsoever. Instead, it needs to focus on more round-based gameplay instead of shared world gameplay, so that it isn't competing in the same niche.

From What game You got the footage

Velocci, I'd like to get your opinion on a concept I've come up with for what I consider to be my ideal dinosaur video game. I'd love to know whether or not you feel this concept COULD work as a video game, as well as whether or not it could become reality. The concept I had in mind is a game where you play as the dinosaurs themselves (obviously), and the gameplay would be 50% open-world survival game (like The Isle or Path Of Titans), and 50% fighting game (like Mortal Kombat, the Injustice games, or Primal Rage). I'm thinking of something that feels more like a documentary, so the dinosaurs you can play as and/or encounter would be restricted to the locations and times they were living in (if you're playing as T-Rex, for example, you're only going to encounter plant-eaters and meat-eaters from T-Rex's time, and from North America, so no T-Rex Vs. Spinosaurus or Giganotosaurus, I'm afraid). You can play as either herbivores or carnivores, and most of the gameplay is akin to that of The Isle/Path Of Titans/etc. Where the gameplay would change is if you encounter a rival or choose to hunt a prey species that is dangerous to hunt/can fight back (or if you are attack by a predator, if you're playing as a prey species). Let's use Allosaurus as an example. If you choose to hunt a prey animal like a Stegosaurus or a Sauropod, or if you encounter/attack a rival predator like Ceratosaurus, Torvosaurus, Saurophaganax, or another Allosaurus, a brief cutscene will occur and gameplay will transition into that of a Mortal Kombat-style fighting game. I was also thinking about a mechanic where, if you're playing as a predator and you defeat a rival predator, you get the option to either spare your rival and scare them off, or kill them. Would really love to hear all your thoughts on this concept I've come up with, Velocci.

Shiftyvee mentioned 🗣🔥

For new or upcoming dino games, it would be hard for them to compete with todays big 3 (Isle, Pot and BoB). They already got stuff that most new dino games would love to offer too. Isle got its more realistic look, mechanics, graphics etc, Pot got questing, emote wheel, in game money to use to get more abilities/skills, BoB (idk much, haven't played it yet, but something about skills and nesting i believe.) The big 3 is not done either. They are all still short of unfinished. There is still more to come (espacially Isle and Pot) Idm similar games, but if to make them somewhat a bit more different, i would slap the ideas from Isle and Pot together into one game. (Realistic models, mechanics, animations, graphics, u get questing, customizations from pot, emote wheels to express more body language.) I would put in BoB too, but idk much about it, but whatever they are unique in, put that into the game too. New games should also use more time to create their games, sure its exciting to share and gather interested players. But they should really just use more time to develop their basic ideas, that are enough to perhaps compete with the quality of the big 3. On another note, I would love to see an open world game like Avatar. or With creatures similar to it. Instead of sticking to the Dino trend, or modern animals. Why not attempt to create an open world game with your own creatures/animals? Keep; Isle, Pot and BoB as a reference (gameplay wise, graphic, mechanics, etc) I'm sure it could be quite interesting! I would def put my money on that kind of game. I'm not saying it would be easy to make. But with time, experience, a good dev team, and over all patience enough to not rush things. I'd say a game like this could reach the potential of the big 3 dino games.

Another big problem with dinosaur games is outside of the big names (The Isle, Path of Titans, etc) a lot of them end up coming out looking like some cheap mobile game

WE NEED A DINO GAME WHICH IS EVERYBODY'S FRIEND. What i mean is a game which perhaps has a story but also multiplayer, no survival maybe a genre like rpg but thats not my point. A game which maybe completely works with its community by actually using feedback and even collaborating with the big 3 could lead to people not competing or arguing which is better, but actually acknoweleging that both are good in their own right.

good vid, but how can you mention the top 3 dino games without mentioning Ark?

Imagine if somebody made a dino game with AI, like a survival game, but with rpg elements like skill trees, levels, and have the skill tree basicly upgrade/ enhance your dino and their survival ability, say like movement buffs, less hunger, deeper attacks(more dmg) quieter sounds(stealth) so you can create dinos, your own way. And then just make appearnces of your dino either buyable cosmetics or ingame achievements for killing so and so or being alive for so long

there is prior extinction on roblox that was my entry to dinosaur survival games and lead to path of titans. I really like both games despite how different they are. That's what makes them my 2 go tos since they offer me a different experience to each other. What gives PoT the edge to me is the modding support which makes it one of the most popular. I also agree that for the prices you pay, the esptablished games are better since they already have players and content. I do wish prior extinction and PoT had singleplayer or that there'd be a singleplayer game like those. Saurian was supposed to be that but it just never came

What is the music that is playing I must know

Imma be honest. Main reason why alot of my friends have quit is the player base. Every game has huge kos groups that make it no fun so eventually I find the joy of the game gone, and then we just stop playing it

Because the people making them either rush them or don’t bring any new interesting ideas for dinosaur games to the table? Lots of repetitive types of games being made when related to dinosaurs. Probably the most unique ones is a Pokémon like in the form of Fossil Fighters that basically got killed off in the 3rd game because they had to make it vehicle based and absolutely gutted the team making aspect of the game and Ark Survival evolved just for it really the biggest fully fledged dinosaur survival game out there that isn’t stuck in beta testing hell or relying on kickstarters for development costs. I’ve actually talked about an experimental idea for a dinosaur themed game that is a blend of survival and action shooter genre. Think of the titanfall 2 time travel segment of the game but make that the whole game and replace the past portion with becoming a dinosaur and having to manage need bars while figuring out mysteries. Think of it like two overarching stories that you have to figure out both of to end up solving how to get through the entire game. That’s the general idea but alas I don’t have any clue how to get the idea out there or how to run a development company. So this idea will be kept in the back of my head till I can get a solid monetary foundation to stand on.

The problem with new dinosaur games, atleast imo is that they start off promising to be they're own thing but ultimately end up more or less just copying what The Isle did.

I disagree, i think people get over excited for small and unfully games, cuz they want new content that bob, path of titans and mostly the isle take more time to release something

i hope every dino game does great. isle is my main but when i get bored i can just hope on some other, instead of seeing it as competition i see it the more dino games the beter. instead of hoping 1 is great i hope all do great. the 3 dinos games ''competing'' arent even fully out yet. so its funny to hear there is a competition between games while none of them even released finished.

Ngl i really like this background music that u chose in this video🤔 its dope asf 😌 and it would be amazing if they just combined their dino games together u know🤔

For me it's not like that bc I want to play every dinosaur game and love to support the best dinosaur games I feel have potential to be great games. I think for a while it was financial reason mostly that kept me from being able to get a gaming pc and I was finally able to get a decent one and I'm finally able to go play games people have been playing for yrs lol.

Console is a big part PoT is the only one on console that I know of. I watched vids of the Isle for years watching with jealousy as I’m a console player. When I found Path it was a dream come true to finally have one on console. Now I’m at 1200 hours played

Seems very prominent with new dinosaur/survival or even specific title games. Add the basics an release on a Alpha or Beta, then figure out the quick/niche that makes it around our more so it can at least become a sub genre of what it's branched out as. It's understandable it's done that way yet it's a straight up gamble that relies on hard core fans to keep it alive

I'd like to try a new or single player dino game. The Isle is buggy and I feel like I waste my time trying to grow anything. Path of titans was my favorite until it got ridiculously toxic and community sever being fun until I had to download mods all the time

I just want a early cenozoic era mammals reptiles birds fish and the ice age aswell would be so awesome to play

There are a lot more opportunities for dinosaur / prehistoric animal games than just a walking simulator where you have to eat every now and then. I'm working on a prehistoric animal hunting game for instance. There's much more than just these basic genre. There's horror, action, adventure, shoot 'em ups, and even survival games. Just because the Stomping Lands or Mesozoica failed, doesn't mean you will.

heres the problem with the mindset of "consumer loyalty" it blinds poeple to the potential an indivisual game has....its not like somone has to choose between one or the other... even the "big 3" to my understanding each has something unique going for them,but they still share enough in common to have players playing more than one. if poeple continue to have a pre-concieved bias against other games just because they arent "the one they picked" than that hurts the genre in the long run. but i will have to agree,the lack of AI is a serious problem with all of them...i dont know about the other ones but Beast of bermuda is just now starting to add in more ai's and improve thier behaviors....but for the most part its fertile ground for these games in general...if one of these new games instead focused on a single player experience first in an Ai world,and then slowly intergrade online play afterwards that might be the push the dionsaur survival ganra as a whole needs

I'm glad someone finally mentions beast of Bermuda i barely see it mentioned when compared to PoT and The Isle

Biggest issue for games is the fact that no one joins empty servers. The classical Server Client setup with limited slot for player to join a constantly running server is not working anymore as it seems. The Isle has a lot of empty servers on unofficial, but since only officials are shown on default many try to join them and might even not be aware of the existence of those servers. And if they are aware, the emptiness of those is not luring them to change that. The Irony is that there would be enough players who could fill those servers with ease. But no one is making the start and so they stay empty.

Cool vid. I use to play the Isle and it was enjoyable way back at the start. Mostly just play PoT now but even it is just same old experience now.

The isle had the potential to be a really good and truly realistic dinosaur simulation game. But the devs want to make the game like jurrasic park/world with humans and structures. I don't see why you would want to make the game like that and take away the potential to be something truly unique.

Trespasser had the right idea but didn't have near the tech needed to pull off the developer's vision. I think a fps single-player/co-op survival sandbox game set with dinosaurs and humans in a post apocalyptic world could still work.

Following is very PoT biased: Existing games have a massive issue too, Indy games can’t keep up with the player support and development pace of major studios which can make things repetitive but the bigger issue is TOXICITY within the multiplayer. There’s two sides to this: 1-you’re a new player scratting around for acorns with a baby Allo, finally getting somewhere and SNAP you’re dead. You try again and you’re questing and now a psychotic mixpack has run you down and CRUNCH you’re dead. It can be really demoralising when you’re trying to make your way in the world but you get destroyed over and over until you switch off; unless you’re part of a massive group with various characters that would never be together, you’re getting nowhere. KOS after KOS even when you’re no threat. 2-at the opposite end, it’s a survival game and cat eats mouse and dog eats dog. If you’re a Sarco hiding alone on the shores waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike just like in real life, you take it and win, you’re on the receiving end of questions about your heritage and your mother’s fidelity. You’ve KOS’d but surely that’s part of the point of playing as an ambush predator? For me I’ve always wanted roaming packs of AI herbivores that as a player you can attack as a carnivore or as herbi to join or lead (challenge for dominance) so that you’re so much more than foodstock to be picked off. Goals should include migration or stopping infirm, young and old falling behind. Otherwise small critters could be free roaming much as the fish are, and include small lone Dinos as well as existing creatures, and be some sport to hunt as juvenile or small predators. Then, the game is good whether you’re single player or multiplayer and doesn’t punish anyone for realism but also hopefully quells the trend of mixpackers killing everything and everyone on sight, whether they’re different or same species, a threat or just going about their own business. Another feature that might be good and I have no idea of others offer this is going a step further with the weather and having periods of disaster such as volcanism, drought or flooding, maybe even strong winds that make it harder for some to get around with there being bonuses for players that weather the events better…

so, hypothecally speaking: these problems can or will be applied to solo zoo management dinosaur game with all the supposed features and elements a game has supposed to have?

Top tier editing once again, Mr Velocci. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

The main issue is they compete for the sane niche. There's too many dino survival games. Best way for a new game to thrive is to walk away from survival and into different genres

Also the isle is still currently like 2 games in one btw. Even with the problems of legacy, it's still...better than most of the new arrivals. And that's like the reason why I originally bought the isle. It's cheaper than most with higher quality. Absolutely fantastic video btw, well put together! Good job.

I like all of the dinosaur games, but my favorite must be path of titans, even tho i dont fight about who likes what, i only like path of titans, because its my first dinosaur survival game i ever played - not counting ark.

Instead of a survival game, maybe we could have other types of games (aside from fps ones). Kind of like Iggy’s Egg Adventure!

Games like PoT and The isle set new bars for what Dinosaur games should be. If people wanna make new dinosaur games they should strive to be like those games or better. If developers find it too hard then they shouldn’t have chosen the Dino survival genre

The bigger issue is most of these games are not even 10% complete when they release and many have been simply scams. No wonder people stick to what is already there and working. But the main 3 are to blame in the respect that they too started as games with very little finished but grew a following over time. You can't expect players to keep playing unfinished games that may never be finished. The best thing a dev team can do with dino survival is to wait until they have something decent to show, it would relieve the panic of it never being finished or a scam and show a good footing going forward.

For everyone on ps4/5 the new primal carnage has been announced

A survival game based on dinosaurs is really hard to gain popularity especially when theres existing games that has much better mechanics than what the others have. Almost all mechanics that needs to be in a dinosaur survival game is already in the 3 popular games so there's really no more room for improvement and innovation which is why other dino survival games fail

I'm an owner of all the big 3. I don't feel the need to go out of my way to find or play new Dino games. Sometimes I'll check out some of the Roblox creature games that exist, but I don't think that a person like me or others like me who own 2 or all 3 of the big Dino games would really be interested in buying the newer, W.I.P. games. I think that you brought up very good points and I agree with all of them. I'm an example of somebody who is very comfortable where I'm at and don't really wish to move around. I also have Primal Carnage in my roster, but I don't find myself really playing it as much as I do with The Isle or PoT.

There can only be one best and other small or new Dino games starting out will have a very hard time.

Yo I have a question has wake of pandora stopped development or is it still in development

I just dont understand how theres so many survival/simulator dinosaur games, and a lesser degree park builders. Like, wheres the fps, strategy, monster tamer, etc. (I know there are games that are in these genres, but they're either old or not that good imo) try making some variety, how many dino survival sims do we need?

I don't get the mindset of just sticking to one game. Even though you play as dinosaurs in all of them, they each do something unique with them.

i play the isle and path of titans. i used to just have the isle and play that but then i got path of titans and these past few months ive only been play path of titans. i think i like it more than the isle because it has more dinos and i like the different environments

I wanted a reboot of the series Carnivores but with a hunting simulator engine like Hunter Call of the Wild. If it had good AI for the dinosaurs. Would be a cool twist to have Dark Soul style invasion where a real player could spawn into your hunt as a predator and hunt the hunter down. If you miss your pick up you have to rough it for an extra night while you wait for another ride. Mix in some survival elements and environmental story telling like Subnautica and you got a recipe for success.

One of my favorite fighting games is spiderheck. There is RARELY more than 50 players playing the game at the same time. I haven’t played it in a while bc I hate having to wait for someone to join my lobby or join someone elses. Its quite sad bc its a fairly new game but no one plays it.

These are correct, I hope the time forgotten fixes this, It’s a dinosaur game a KZfaqr I follow is making and it looks very good and it seems to be not a survival game but a competitive one, For the first time

Really hope the isle devs higher more people and get out of their own way. The game has great potential. But it feels like updates have slowed again

The biggest problem carnovores can't kill herbivores in POT

The problem is the size, these creatures are so big but that they end up moving slow by default.

Is it worth it to buy The isle atm?