1. I am aware Titania is releasing in Beasts of Bermuda soon. This video does not contain any opinions on BoB's maps for this reason. 2. Oh lord I didn't even mention PoT's current growth, but I hope anyone in the know knows how much of a dumpster fire it is. 3. What's next on this channel? To be honest, I don't know. I'm floating through life at this point without motivation to do anything.

Honestly the problems just start with these games conception, theres never really much of a plan for this games development at the start beyond "play as a dinosaur" wich ends up leading to a lot of issues later on. Like for example the species roaster, they just go with whatever most of the time wich will lead to balancing issues no matter how much they try too fix them it will never work theres species that simply cannot co exist.

1. The isle is stuck in dev hell making mutand dinos that nobody gets to play. 2. Growing the dinos is unfun qnd 95% of the gameplay 3. Massive dead maps with nothing interesting but the same trees and rocks 4. Lack of creativity 5. The game devs expect everyone to roleplay but you just end up getting packs of prey hunting the predators 6. Glorified chat room, aka not a real survival game. 7. Many other things

Player: Points out Magys shit desigh Isle Devs: *Gets onto them* Also Isle Devs: Haven't found a way to make Magy enjoyable enough to add to the game despite it being one of the earliest dinos announced for Evrima

Moral of the story: everyone should just go play LEGO Jurassic World

Honestly, the only TI dev that I actually like is Tapwing. I feel like she should start working for a different, better dev team, instead of all those assholes. Her art deserves to be part of a better game. And out of all of these games, I’m the most optimistic about Beasts of Bermuda.

I want to say the Isle was originally made as a passion project which would explain the devs behavior but that doesn't mean its not childish or excused

i just love how the moment the isle said "we will rebuild the game into evrima" tons of dino/dragon games started to pop out of nowhere

I love how you talk about the diet system in PoT. I miss the old version of it. I used to eat clams as a Sarco. Now, it can't eat it naturally anymore. Now, stuck to meat and fish.

Worst part is that there are easily many more points that can be made (PoT unnecessarily working on a prerelease map despite not even having gameplay after growth)

The Isle's development is ridiculous, I don't know how that game has remained afloat at all. I was a freshman in high school in 2015 now I'm getting ready to become a sophomore in university. far too many other indie games have been tanked over far less, I play the isle a lot, but I am rooting for its demise.

My biggest problem with these games, but the Isle in particular, is it feels like the devs don't actually understand dinosaurs nor do they care to. All they care about is the vaguely dinosaur shaped movie monsters instilled into pop culture with things like Jurassic Park. Just look at the bottom tiers of your Isle Design tier list video to see what I mean. I know these games aren't meant to be simulators or educational but as you yourself said "If a game claims to have your favorite dinosaur, you expect to see your favorite dinosaur" not some abomination that is vaguely similar to your favorite dinosaur. There has been such a diversity of dinosaurs discovered, especially in the last decade or so, that there is a dinosaur that probably meets your exact wants so there is no reason to contort a popular dinosaur to meet your needs.

This has been an interesting video, and you make a lot of valid points. The devs do lash out a lot on people (be it because they were only giving actual advice or are just plain toxic) and the updates take way too long. This, however, is the reason why I don't interact with communities most of the time. I just want to enjoy the game I like man, I don't wanna know what that specific developer said to that specific person in that specific way. And when the updates are that far apart, so be it for me, i'll just play something else for a while and come back when I feel like it. All in all, I like Dinosaur survival games, I don't like the community, so what do I do? I stay away from the bad, gross and ugly stuff and only look at the good stuff! Thanks for reading all this way!

I agree on sooooo many points you make on all the 3 games. As veteran to all these games I have seen how they started, got hyped and eventually started to die because of the development issues. All of them had so much potential in the start and now I'm left wondering how the F they managed to screw themselves over so badly... Whatever you decide to do with your channel in the future know that we who are subscribed to you because we like you as you, will be there. Stay strong and safe bud.

speaking of The isle "major" updates, they added a bit more dirt to the already rotting foundation, they added so little thing yet we all found it incredible cuz we are used to eat the crap they usually give us

They need to improve the movement on pot so that people stop getting stuck on each other and also add abilities like grabs, and pounces that actually have influence to either players positions

While I agree on a gigantic portion of this video's contents, I don't think the Pesky comment at the end was needed, and feels directly contradictory to your statement on being tired of petty community drama in this genre. Aside from that, good takes.

I don’t know if I can think of this niche genre the same after this video. I agree with a lot of your opinions on the games. And one thing that hurts is the PSA. Not saying I’m on their side but damn. And as Beaver once said, “For crying out loud can I just play a dinosaur game and not have to question my morals.” I’m not an og player or anything, fact is I joined about 2 years ago, but with all the chaos, it hurts. I love dinosaur games because of the friends and experiences but I don’t if I can keep playing them with the toxic and hypocritical gaming environment. I just want to play a game and have fun. Anyways hope your doing okay Scan.

It's always good to voice issues out, regardless of the subject, since if none voice them they can't be fixed. Hell, as much as I love playing PoT I agree with most of the issues you pointed out here, especially the part about "not using enough of the MMO part". I talked about it with people on their discord quite often (including some moderators and devs, when they had the time) and I'm far from being the only one, unfortunately it's one of these situations of "all I can do is wait and see where it goes" kind of situation. We discuss it with them, we post suggestions for them to read, but in the end we still have to walk the roadmap to see how they flesh all of it out. Although I don't like the way they disabled the discord due to the backclash of the trailer release... I kinda understand why they did it since I was there when that happened : it was an endless stream of new people coming in, throwing their hate out, then a mod comes to give an explanation... And then the process repeats itself because new ones keep coming in with the exact same questions and hate-filled comments. It quickly became too much for the moderators to keep track of. I do not approve of them shutting the channel off (even though temporarily) but I do understand why they ended up making this decision and just pinned the messages of the moderator explanations for the incoming people to read. Apart from it, I completely understand you being tired of these games, and if you don't want to keep playing them it's alright. The main purpose of a videogame, one which many people tend to forget, is to have fun. If you don't have fun playing it, then you should play something else, it's as simple as that ^^

I remember watching your Isle tier list years ago. Even at the time, I felt that you kept everything very clear and concise. You have voiced my concerns with these games perfectly. I will always support you and your channel.

As a Path of Titans player, I really agree with this. It's kinda dumb that the devs add/release stuff that gets the community super hyped, but then when trying out the gameplay, it's like complete lies.

I really respect you for taking your channel in this direction and your issues with these games are similar to mine, nice to see someone express their feelings in such a respectable way.

Imo, one of the biggest issues plaguing all of the games is the that they're _online multi-player games._ Like, sure, you can have a multi-player mode, but it shouldn't be the only gamemode.

I messaged a dev of Path of Titans when I had an issue of constantly being DoS attacked whilst using their services. I had made an entire list of each attack and all the locations of the attackers. Some are from dos panels, some are from personal residences, and some are just random attacks. Regardless I have all the proof, and it ONLY happened when I played PoT. No other game, just pot. Myself and my friends whilst playing had been kicked from the servers, had our entire Wi-Fi systems go down, and need hard rebooting. When we did, we both found DoS attacks from the same attacker on multiple occasions. Again, I can’t stress this enough this only occurred during playing pot. I messaged a dev called Connor addressing my concerns respectfully, saying I had been playing the game since dinos first became playable and a long term backer and I was basically pleading for help, only to be met with the most rude, ridiculing comments I have ever experienced from a dev. He made me feel idiotic and small, saying pot can never be hacked (anything in the world can be hacked) and didn’t at all listen to my concerns. After a few back and forth comments which I have screenshots of his atrocious behaviour towards a consumer, I went further to message Alderons Games and request my in game data to see which players I was fighting at certain times I was DoS attacked. I got around 2 emails from the management handling it, asking me what my issue was and which dev I was reporting for bad behaviour, to then be ignored. I chased them up the day after or a few days after for a follow up email, again I was ignored. Pot doesn’t care about their community as much as they lead you to believe, and having had a really upsetting experience for a dev I went to kindly asking for help, it’s really let me down. He still remains unpunished for his unprofessionalisim as well.

Im really glad you made another video, its been a while! But yeah, the motivation thing sucks, ive had it happened to me before. But soon it will hopefully fade away.

Spot on points basically all around. Been around these games since the start and dealt with the highest high hypes, to lowest low disappointments. Its really too bad because the potential was soooo high. Awesome video man! Wish you best on your content creation journey!!

I have the same opinion on the Isle. I remember back in 2016 I had fun playing it bc there was no other game like this but they kept on removing things from the game. Replacing maps with new unfinished ones, giving up on features, making some dinos unavailable... Legacy version was cool but it got boring very fast when they completly abandoned it. 7 years of waiting and we still don't have a finished game. I won't be surprised if the same thing happens to Evrima. I'm not even gonna mention the devs because they're the reason I stopped playing.

I mean the older we get the more our preferences change, I think we all get very bored at times where we gotta take large breaks or whatever especially if there is nothing really that new xP So I undershand this video a whole lot and I can somewhat relate❤

I tried Path of Titans and each time I return even after updates its basically a fetch quest simulator.

I’m still on the intro and I agree. It seems there’s only two major types of games for dinosaurs now: survivals, and park sims. I personally would love me some RPGs, be it turn based like Fossil Fighters (did, like, half the dinosaur gaming community just forget this series?) or open world rpg like Elder Scrolls, be it you play a dinosaur or a person among dinosaurs or anthros or whatever, as long as it has dinosaurs or anything like that prehistoric just *GIVE* those to me and I’ll be as happy as hunkasaurus Hank when he gets a girl in PP’s Freshwater episode.

I can honestly say that I agree with most, if not all, of the points of this video. As a sidenote; I'm new to this channel and I kinda was expecting another cringy rant about these games just because they don't fit into their preferences or they had a bad time during their 1 hour playthrough, as most of side channel tend to do. But in my suprise it's a very well-researched and objective video about the issues that been/are neglected for this game genre for a long time. Props to you dude and hopefully we'll get some redemption of Dino survival games in the future, after videos like this

dont worry guys the new weather system in the isle should be here in 2 years .. Im so excited !

As someone who used to be a Path of Titans fan, I think I'm done with Dinosaur Survival games. Almost every dinosaur survival game nowadays has a bunch of problems. The Isle, Path of Titans, and don't even get me started on Saurian. All of them have potential, but they all have so many problems, and those problems don't even seem to get fixed half of the time, only made worse. All of these games, mainly the Isle and Path of Titans, also have either extremely incompetent devs, or extremely toxic devs. I have not tried out BOB, so it may be good, but I just need a break.

I think the biggest problem with dinosaur survival games isn't maps or growing systems or anything like that, I think the heart of the issue lies with creature balancing and species choice, what I mean is that certain dinosaurs will always seem "under balanced" or "not viable" due to them being placed in a non compatible ecosystem ie taking dinosaurs from two separate time periods and mushing them together to create a "balanced ecosystem", of which is always create an illusion of certain dinosaurs being useless and therefore those dinos not having a player base, (this is also seen in the real world when invasive species are introduced to a different ecosystem and completely dominate it and ruin the current ecosystem) and the only way I can think to solve this issue is to have a dinosaur game based around a certain time period and region, but this would create more issues because people who "like dinosaurs" typically want to see their favorite beating up other big predators when that simply would've never happened ie Stegosaurus vs Trex or Trike vs Allosaurus, and due to that I probably wouldn't have a big audience, overall I think the problem that are dinosaur survival games is just a tad bit unsolvable.

Dino survival games tend to suffer from what I like to call the Multiplayer Halo. This phenomenon causes developers to create things that favor a multiplayer experience, or simply leaning towards making their game multiplayer over singleplayer. This isn’t to say the Multiplayer Halo isn’t always a detriment, one of my favorite games, Don’t Starve Together, for a majority of its current content, right down to its conception, was built with the Multiplayer Halo shining bright over the developers heads. It’s clear why this is too. Other players make for a good supplement or outright substitute to other forms of content, usually raising the overall enjoyment of the experience. Don’t like making complex AI for enemies? Just give some of the stronger skillsets to players and make a FPS. Unfortunately, the Multiplayer Halo has worked to the detriment of most Dino survival games. The isle, evrima especially, is over reliant on other players to generate the majority of the content, as bots are scarce and non-threatening, other players are needed both to make the game survivable for carnivores, challenging for herbivores, and interesting for both. Beasts of Bermuda suffers from being a people pleaser, wasting their valuable update time either shoving fan-chosen creatures into the game, or simply fixing some of the more major balance issues these rushed projects create, causing the game to become both bloated and convoluted, made worse by a playerbase, as you stated, made complacent by broken, rushed classes. Path of Titans suffers from the halo by forcing multiplayer mechanics into the game that ultimately weren’t needed. The MMO aspects, as already stated, are few, but also very infuriating, put in there simply to cater to the Multiplayer Halo clouding the developers heads. Personally, something that needs to happen to create and interesting and compelling Dino survival game is to make it singleplayer. This allows and almost forces developers to focus on really fine tuning mechanics, and creating an enjoyable experience on its lonesome. Only once you have a good singleplayer foundation, even if you don’t intend to make the game solely singleplayer, or singleplayer at all, can you decide if you want to make the experience multiplayer. TLDR: Dino survival devs use multiplayer to trick players into making the game for them, so instead a singleplayer foundation needs to be set up before considering multiplayer.

i was very fortunate as a kid to own Disneys dinosaur for the ps2, i used to just play for hours walking around the first level just pretending to be a iguanodon or pteranodon

As much as these games struggle and all the problems they boil with they also boil with potential and as a community for these games together we have the ability to help them it’s just hard, no impossible to get thousands of people to all agree but in the end I hope we get to see them succeed and if we push them in the right direction I hope we can successfully see these games rise the isle beasts of Bermuda and path of titans all unique, I just think we need to come together and make these games listen to what we have to say and what we know is needed for them

I played all of the 3 major games for at least 1k hours each and its funny how they are the most toxic games I played ever, even more toxic than full loot MMO games that I played and shooters...

I got this video recommended as the first one I’ve ever seen from you, so I guess that’s fate telling me I’m going to enjoy your new content, whatever it may be. And I feel this, a lot. I only really do Ark now, and I get bored of it after a while. I’ll sing Ark: Aberration praises because it manages to be a totally different experience despite having the same controls. I can’t compliment Aberration enough because it’s such a breath of fresh air compared to the other maps up until that point. Kept me playing Ark on SP for WAY longer. That’s not meant to be a sales pitch, you do you. But that’s the way I’ve avoided dino burnout, is by taking breaks. I get you didn’t have that luxury with KZfaq, and that sucks. Hope you fund new passions, I also enjoy Hollow knight, you could maybe give that a go while you’re trying to find something else more long-term? Edit: also, you can run Ark at max settings and you CAN’T run something else? That game desperately needs an optimization! Edit edit: oh dear, just got to the end. No idea who that was, but… yeah that’s an issue. No comparison here boss!

I only started playing the isle a little under a year ago, and didnt start evrima till about 3 months later, around when the central river was added. I really want to be optimistic that the kind of game the developers are promising will one day actually arrive, and arrive soon. I can’t imagine the wait people must have gone through on all those years and to think it’s still going must be incredibly frustrating. I never knew any of the history or the reputation of the developers before now. I’m always excited to read the devblogs and each new bit of news raises excitement, but because of these reasons I now feel a bit of uncertainty of where the game is headed. The only thing I want to see is a new playable, but how long do I have to wait for even that, even with all the progress on beipi and troodon alone, why do we have to wait after update 6 if they’re basically done??

man it's gonna be hard see you go, i honestly would love more of your video essays and such, maybe one on deep rock or something

Hey guys remember when Dondi had a "secret agent spy" infiltrate various discord servers? Then he proceeded to ban anyone who would talk bad about him, his development team or his game simply for talking about how toxic him and his community was. Like, banned from playing the game, you couldn't access it anymore. Happened to a ton of people I used to talk to which made them just quit the community all-together. I was there it was terrifying, I took like a several month long hiatus from the game itself because I didn't want to get banned. Then there were all the black-listed servers, but I never got to find out why they were being removed from the server list. Anthomnia made a video about it but to this day I cannot find his video, I don't know if he removed it or if it vanished in his sea of content

Very interesting video. Was thinking of buying one of these, but might just stick with Prehistoric Kingdom. I don't mind Pesky, he's just a guy willing to do anything for controversy, with results ranging for funny to bizarre.

I can understand your opinion,it's very sad when nearly the only thing keeping these games even alive or relevant are the models themselves but nothing too much to offer in terms overall and I'll say I still like these games but they've become somewhat boring but I do wish it's gets better 13:44 **MARGY BEING TOXIC!**

As much as I agree that every single one of these games are bullshit, personally I see a few coming out on top. Now I used to simp and defend Path of Titans with my life, but now seeing the amount of issues it’s facing with not to mention the equally toxic community, it really became a let down. Not only is the community literally run by furries, the whole PlayStation launch was such a dumpster fire of an update, it got a 2 star rating at first. And yeh I definitely agree that Rex is just big das, plus you gotta think about the major herbivore bias they have, plus almost every animal has the same ass ability

My issue with these games is that they are all the same, massive maps with nothing to do other than wander around, PoT tries to fix this with mini quests, but the just boil diwn to "gather 12 pine cones" What i think these games NEED is some fat trimming, not every dinosaur needs to be playable, i want you to look me in the eye and tell me people like playing as dryo, and other dinosaurs are "why would i play as X when Y is the same but better?" Also a map just needs to be dense and full of landmarks not 4 times the size of the earth and as empty as the void

Dinosaur survival games never work too well because of the whole survival aspect in the first place. The survival to the game is literally “sit around and grow until you are big to then do the only exciting thing in the game, that still gets boring after doing too much: fighting.” Its the same thing, over and over, because translating an animals life (boring to us, is purely just trying to survive, eat, graze, repopulate, then die) is not a good gameplay for a person (because we usually hope for active action and fun when doing things. We aren’t like animals who are trying to just survive, but also have fun as well). In all, dinosaur survival doesn’t work as a playable game because humans need more then just surviving. They need quests, stories, objectives, challenges, etc to make the game more interesting. That why I think most people love unofficial events in the isle, since it brings so much more fun to the game, even if the event isn’t realistically what dinosaurs would actually do. It’s also why I think people love hypos and humans, because it brings backstory and lore to the isle, which makes it more interesting then just, “dinosaur game go brrr”

That is what I call being a true fan calling out some of the problems with what you like cause nothing is more fan like than pointing out the wrongs cause you actually enjoy them

Guys can we please pressure these devs to fix these problems I really want Scanova to stick around.

for path of titan i remember how unfair the collision was when they added the sarcosuchus, and there was this spino trying to attackme but they got stuck between me a tree and a rock and died cause they couldnt turn, that was sad.

I try so hard to enjoy these games, but it gets harder and harder. So much of what makes these games fun (especially the Isle) is playing with friends. Back when I first got the game in 2019 I was practically playing 24/7 when I wasn't in school, even playing into the night on school nights. I would sit in large vc calls with people, just having a great time surviving in large packs or herds. It was FUN, and EXCITING to get hunted by anything with teeth regardless of if you were a carnivore or a herbivore. I'd get into huge arguments over rule breaks and game mechanics, made some of my closest friends through the game, but eventually we all slowly grew out of it. We moved to BoB or PoT but neither of them lasted as long, even now I maybe will play one of the games for a week at the most, and thats only really when I get hyperfixated on dinosaurs again. The communities are toxic, the devs are toxic, and the updates just get lackluster as they go. I came into the skin and nesting update for Evrima with excitement, played for a week or two, then never touched it again. They aren't fun anymore, and now that I'm a adult with a job, I just don't have the kind of time these games require. I already have to work 8 hours on most days, I don't have time to grow a 2-6 hour dinosaur, fight things, nest, and just hang out with people. I find myself looking at the clock while playing these games to make sure I'm not playing for too long to get other things done. PoT is the worst culprit for growth times, because they make you do quests to grow, it takes more time to run across the map to get more broken acorn quests then it would to sit and afk grow on BoB or Legacy Isle. We need a better option for a dinosaur survival game.

Really loved playing them, but I don't really do that anymore. For TI evrima, mostly for poor optimization, uninteresting map design, and diet system being too much of a pressure. For BoB, mostly balance issues and some species being completely overwhelmed by their 'better versions' For PoT, mostly for having to invest so much time for abilities and growth. Also I feel like their balancing should be a lot careful since you can put only one ability in a slot. Since every player is a person, it's hard to control their behaviors to work as a roleplay game, unfortunately. I think the same reason goes with why packing is such a delicate area. Anyway, really enjoyed the video and I wish you good luck with whatever you decide to do! Loved your BoB videos.

I thought it was just me. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one feeling similarly. I feel like I'm just floating around trying to find my motivation as well.

I haven't watched the video yet, (Since its premiering but I will once it does) But I agree with you. Dinosaur survival genre is really getting old in gameplay and fun. It was fun once games like dinosaur survival on roblox and the isle first game out. but its been like 5 to 7 years and many of these early access dinosaur survival games haven't really went anywhere with there development. Many of these games are barren wastelands of grass with barley anything to do unless there are other players online and even then those players wont play by the rules. With growth rates that take hours to even accomplish only to die so easily. its just not a fun gameplay loop at all. I am sure in real life being an animal is boring but I am sure that even real life would be more fun then this since you can do a lot more. There should be more unique behaviors the dinosaurs have that they can use, Actual AI that walks around and do there thing. Actual family raising system. Sure all of this is very hard to program I am not saying its easy but you would expect that to all be in a game in the works for atleast 5 to 7 years with kickstarter money. I would even go as far to argue ark is a better dinosaur survival game with the play as dino mod and thats janky AF as it is. I haven't even mentioned how horrible the isle devs have treated their fanbase and their anti modding sentiment. Which I really disagree with since mod support is the one thing that can keep your game alive without need for constant live service updates. I mean look at halo 3. That game lasted for years because of community creation tools like theater, forge and custom games. Thats my opinion on things. I can't wait to watch the video. I am sure you will have similar thoughts. But I wanted to give my two cents.

Another criticism of these games is the copy a paste formula they have. The big three have it, but they're all different, BOB being the more less Isle formula than POT. Out of all of them, POT is just really draining to play. The spawns are shit, I really hate the mechanic that prevents you from spawning in as one of your characters because the area was even the slightest bit of active. Like it can make you loose that dino if people often hang out in that area. I think my biggest complements for the Isle is the mistrust of your surroundings and Evirma having each dino be unique from one another, the main play ables serving a purpose. While both POT and BOB lack those feature. POT being the weaker out of the two. My biggest complement for BOB is the fact that it has unique features from the other two and stands out as it's own separate game more, being more of it's own. It feels more fantasy inspired than horror and thats the big difference between BOB and The Isle. POT just feels bland, it doesn't know what it wants to be. It lacks both horror, mystery, and hidden lore to bring the audience in. My biggest concern with POT is that it lacks creative ideas. Comparing POT with the Isle and BOB, it's seriously lacking in creative liberties. The only real pro I have for POT is the graphics, optimization, and the fact their animal designs fit within the world. But game play wise, it's trying too hard to be something it's not.

to add regarding PoTs growth... yea questing to grow is something, in theory a decent idea, in gameplay practice... its not fun. There is so much the devs wanted or said they were going to add when quests first came about, like multi stage quests. perhaps even the idea of dungeon style quests, but after 2 years of quests its stuck in the same loop that it was in from the beginning. The Isle i can barely play because its so poorly optimised, i can play games like GTA V, Halo, CoD MW, ARK. without lagging, the isle on the lowest graphics i get 5-30fps. BoB i do like it, has a soft spot, but I don't play it enough to properly form an opinion on it and of course finally, great video scanova!

When the servers were down at one point for path of titans, I said "if there's an update I'm going to touch myself" as an obvious joke. I then got muted for 48 hours, and 3 hours after they muted me, they perma banned me. I then went on the reddit to complain and everyone down voted me.

I play Isle, PoT, and BoB - I love the Isle, but yes, progress is slow. The map has so much wasted area. But the playables in Evrima, I think, are all really good, so I'm optimistic, and I understand there's a whole new map coming, hopefully in UE5, which might fix many of the performance issues.

I didn’t even know that about pesky also good video scanova

I fully agree with the isle i can't even play for 5 minutes without crashing and every time I crash all of my save files get deleted

My biggest issue with BoB is most servers have a growth cap above when you'd get your last point. I'd be more exciting if you have to really think about where u put your points on a server that has a cap of 1.5 against not worrying where u put your points because you'll eventually get em. Found I was not playing it more often than I was cause u have to afk grow safely until your 2.0 to have a chance

Honestly, BoB and PoT are the only two dinosaur games I see with any potential. They're both leaning away from the social sandbox aspect and heading in unique directions.

I think the best for scanova would be trying to forget about this games for 2 or 3 years, then come back to them after lots of new mechanics are added to them

Loved the video, I'm only playing POT these days so I was not aware of the development of other games. I think Path of Titans has a huge gameplay advantage - it's simple to play! You quest, you grow, eat/drink and fight - then repeat. If you think about it, this is all that a player needs on a daily basis. They really nailed the gameplay loop. My feeling is that both BOB and TI are becoming these complex bloated games that only hardcore fans enjoy. POT has nailed the dinosaur movement, FPS is top notch, night/day cycle is really eye pleasing, underwater is fantastic. They are ahead by a lot!

Wanna hear something funny? On The Isle Discord server, ppl were talking about an animation of a meteor killing everyone when the server shuts down and restarts. I pinged Bryan to ask him to make this a feature, and wanna know what happened? I lost the permission to speak on the server.

I do understand what you mean about the isle admins being kinda toxic, I said that I thought the stego was a bit unbalanced and got absolutely flamed by them. I dont have any screen shots but they were not happy lol

I agree with everything you said about these three games. The Isle, BoB, and PoT have some things going for them, but it's really sad seeing all three of these games making slow progress either because of bad devs, bad community, or bad balancing/bad decisions. Although... I'm not sure if it's fair to call Pesky transphobic. Pesky makes a lot of dark humor jokes and in one of his irl videos he made where he says a joke that something is gay, he pauses the video to explain that the joke was a little bit too far and that he supports gay rights (if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pcide5edsLubnmw.html at 10:15). I think the accusation is a little harsh seeing that Pesky openly supports gay rights, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion so that's fine.

Its ok man i dont judge ya. We had some good fun w the dino content. But i see whats wrong with it too. You do you man

It’s so crazy to think that I found out about the Isle when I was 9 and now they probably won’t even finish the game by the time I graduate highschool.

I’m here before the premiere and tbh I’m getting tired with almost all of the dinosaur games I’m done with bob,path of titans and more except the isle and primal carnage, and why is that? Well it’s because I played both primal and the isle ever since I was 7 years old and now that I’m 15 I still play them but not as much anymore since I have a life. the isle is boring and they take so long to add in dinosaurs and they’re all working on different projects and it’s too much to handle. Primal Carnage: Extinction, I love the game so much but what bothers me is the fact that the popularity is small, the good side about the game is that the devs (actually one dev dinosauriac, the dev team is small but the rest of the dev team don’t talk in the discord server) listen to their people and I should say the same with the isle, and primal is a dinosaur vs humans game and its the #1 dino vs human game I’ve experienced and the community is awesome but some of the people in the community arent as great as the rest of the people.

Someone needs to make a game with one or two playable species. Just one or two. Preferably one. In an ideal world we could have an in-depth and enjoyable game with a plethora of species, but it's just not feasible to make meaningful gameplay for an animal when you focus on too many. You can't get the intricate details of their life that make them unique. It becomes an eat, drink simulator. Not even a 'sleep' simulator since they're all multiplayer for some reason, which also ruins the experience due to unrealistic behaviors.

Honestly, I can agree on the profusion of dino survival games. Like, it kinda shocks me to think there are so many recent dino he's, but most are survival games, and some park builders. You'd think we'd get a platformer, maybe something more action-y, hell a strategy he could be cool. The variety is just, there's so much potential just left untapped.

When a new dino games coming out I’m like YAY A NEW GAME! But then it says something like survive in a massive world and hunt food then im just like,oh not like we already have that

Honestly, all these games could be improved by adding AI. And I mean good AI. I’m tired of going into a server that’s completely reliant on a more than likely toxic community as a player base. Being able to hunt and survive with my friends is what I really want

Thank you so much for making this video. I'm so tired of dinosaur survival games as well despite playing them a fair bit. I think something that would help a ton would be to have an adventure style game without PvP combat, as well as one that's mainly just combat but with realism. Have the dinosaurs react to being hit and need to heal from damage realistically. That or just make a straight up fighter game since people seem to be so obsessed with PVP combat...honestly I'd prefer an adventure game myself. And please no more park sims either....

I feel your points.. I hate the isle with my whole heart and only play it when I wanna kos xD. BoB used to me my favourite game of these 3, but lately the bugs make this game unplayble, the community is really toxic, you have no chance growing or surviving solo and some inherits make the game really unblanaced which forces the player to waste a lot of time to renest/reincarnate to get these op inherits.. PoT is currently my favorite. I love the devs and I have a lot of faith in them, I think that game has the most potentional. the only thing that bothers me is the current lags and rubberbanding, but beside that, the game is really good, espeacially for an "early acess"

What’s the big idea of trying to start drama with pesky?

At this point ima’bout to make my own Dino game

I used to play dinosaur survival games, but ive moslty had fun with tycoon / first person shooter games. I find these games nowadays dont have mature dev teams that lead to drama and draw backs for the projects progress. The isle and beasts of bermuda, ive had my days with , dealt with toxic players and greif yet i did enjoy the thrill of it, i didnt enjoy how the devs handle the commuinty and how its all manged with all these rules and rule breakers. All gets stressful over time. Issue with people hunting for sport and not hunting when theyre hungry. Played the isle back in 2015 , played bob back in 2018, and ive spent too many un healthy hours in both games to grow a virtual creature that dies to toxic players that dont have any other huntable npc prey lurking about. Primal carnage is always fun, you dont loose progress when you die, you play yo have fun, i play games for that reason. Maybe im not built to deal with high heart rates when someone is killing my dino. Games i prefer to play thats dinosaur like is prehistoric kingdom, and beasts of bermuda ONLY on the pve instant revive le hide out chillout server, duels are allowed and fun events are held there and reskins. Compared to playing pvp i felt limited to what dinosaur i could play as some others are weaker, i wouldnt log on para or velo as i knew it would be 1 shotted, clans and targetting is a pain in the ... and balences arent acurate, they change the stats all the time, they nerf certain dinosaurs making players choose the better ones. I prefer more friendlyer environments , im more of a pve player since ive had my pvp days and toxic players effect my mental health not gonna lie couldnt sleep most nights. My last days of bob is on my channel shown as my moments on bob where its funny wholesome clips ive had on the game. Ive got no pvp skills at all, but i have fun some way playing as a huge apato that i grew to 2.2 Sorry for a ton of text above, thought id say my thoughts about this topic. I wouldnt mind joining your discord carno or something, seem well knowleged on these games and a nice person :)

Out of all the games mentioned, Path of Titans ultimately was the only game to rise above the other two. They genuinely bettered their game, including the combat update and new models, abilities, etc. With the mention of their realism in the models designs I don’t agree with you about the criticism on the “boring” aspect of the designs. They look like that because animals in real life aren’t going to be neon or brightly colored, (aka BoB skins) and mostly it’s the babies with simplistic skins to tell their age. The game itself looks genuinely better than the two other games and has definitely changed in the time span this video was made.

What is most fun about these games is when you really love it and than there's tons of release of new things. The isle would release so many new dinosaurs, new maps, modded community, literally community and game drdama, I completely soaked in it the past 5 years. Bob would release so much content and improve so drastically, Path of titans also has tons of content and has different scenery. Howeever it all got kind of old sadly because they just get boring as content gets overhyped and takes months release meanwhile I don't have the thrill of the games itself from like 10k hours.

I left The Isle after the Para incident, and only briefly rejoined after evrima was released. The community was told they’d have an update every month. With the terrible gameplay and that obvious lie I was out.

I literally stopped playing the isle due to all the changes and the lack of action. It always took so long to grow or whatever and finding combat or intense situations was boring.

I have been on the backlash of the devs and their isle minions who think because erivma is here, the og players have nothing to complain about... as by my profile picture and youtube channel you can see for yourself when the fun left the game, I use to play the isle day and night, I use to be excited for it and had a dedicated group i played with regularly but now..

if the isle devs have taken only half the effort that took for these showcases and put it in the creation of an actual game we would have seen updates much faster but looks like they are more concerned the add looks better than the product which has backfired and can be seen by player count on all servers legacy and evrima.

Just some ideas incase there is some indie dev looking to make a dinosaur game... 1) monster hunter clone but with dinosaurs/other prehistoric creatures 2) survival game like 'The Forest' with a setting similar to Peter Jackson's Skull Island (not an ARK clone) 3) evolution simulator that mainly focuses on dinosaurs (like spore but more "scientifically accurate" and mature) I've been desperately wanting games like these for a while.

That void thing in the isle is why I don’t play. I have that issue every time i open it.

Thanks for making me go on a stroll down memory lane with the absolute ridiculousness The Isle devs get themselves into with their behavior. It jarred my memory of them actually closing one of your threads on the steam forums years ago, after tons of decently respectful discussion, a dev basically swooped in, said “The forum isn’t here for your petty complaints”, and closed the thread. If the game tanks I’ll be sad for those who spent so much time and money on the game, but I wouldn’t be sad to say if it gave me a bit of happiness to scar the dev’s résumé.

honestly I wasn't even aware of the saturation. The only game here that I already knew about was the Isle

Oh, I thought you were talking about dinosaur survival games where you play as a person trying to survive from dinosaurs. I was like, what? I thought those were hard to find

bro how are u tired of dinosaur survival games when theres only 3 out to begin with 💀

If feel the main problem with Evirma being so slow on development is them focusing on the future and not the present time they should just focus on 1 or 2 things and not 50

hunting as diego is probably the only thing I remember from that game, i spent so much time having fun with that

Wait which Isle KZfaqr got bullied?

It's not a big development team and companies like Ubisoft need 100+ developers to make big games in 1-2 years, sometimes 3. It's understandable that, with a small dev team like the isle, it would take time to make the game

I feel like you hit just about every point with these games, I agree with you on all of them basically 100%

I feel as if some of these games focused on combat mechanics it would be really cool. Instead of spamming m1, make the combat like Jaws Unleashed. Hold M1 to bite and hold, then shake the mouse to take out chunks. Give collision. Make injuries on different parts of the body cause different effects.

We need more games where you play as a human surviving in a dinosaur filled world and no not ARK, ARK has become just as stale as other dinosaur survival games we need more narrative... either stuff like remaking Dino crisis or maybe a single player survivor experience like Far Cry primal but with dinosaurs. That's the kind of dinosaur game I want.

I have played all 3 games and out of the 3 I like Beasts of Bermuda the most. The Isle: While the game is fun most of the game play as of right now is just growing enough to be able to survive a single Carno hit before actually going out and doing anything, I swear I spend more time afking in random spots than I do actually playing the game. Also the Community and Devs made me not really interact with other players and the only server I find people who dont constantly curse you out if they found out its you who killed them is AU Official servers and The Zoo. For me The Isle needs a TON of optimization and balance fixes, they should have never added the larger dinos without thinking of the roster at the time. I feel deino and Stego should had been held back till other smaller dinos were out, like Troodon and Beipi. Troodon could have shown players how to work with a glass canon dino and learn to be patient when hunting. While Beipi could have shown us how the water mechanics will work and what it would be like for when Deino came out. Beasts of Bermuda: I really like being able to customize my dinosaur and im very fond of the accessibility for those with colorblindness and the ability to tone down skin colors for a more realistic look. While some dont like the more cartoonish style I find it fine for right now. The Optimization can use some work for alot of the maps but otherwise you dont require a heavy computer to run it. I actually really like the talent system but some talents just feel like a must instead of a choice. I do understand people not wanting to lose a dino as I too have many dinos on a specific server that I am very glad to have, my main two being bios, but I would be fine to lose those dinos for some more balance. All in all BoB is fine with me for right now, it for sure needs balances but im kinda okay with everything being able to kill everything. A skilled ptera could kill a rex just as a skilled rex would know to use the key to look in the sky to aim and kill the ptera. A ory can trick foes into going into its burrow where it can then easily kill them with comfort, having dinos be viable for those who know how to play them is something I approve a lot of. Path of Titans: I have less experience with this one as it became boring so fast for me. The constant clans killing people left and right and having to do quests to grow killed it for me. I really like the idea like the skins, species, talents and such but I feel some things need to be worked on more before I go back to it. I feel adding in an adopt or nesting system would be a great thing for newer players who will need alot of help when starting out. Also the fact you have to buy things with the points is kinda hard when your constantly being killed as a baby and cant even get to the next stage before starting all over again. I for sure have a bad bias for this game but when they start adding more updates and mechanics I may go back and my thoughts on it can change. Overall I like the idea of it just some things needed to be rounded out before it started.

Great video, i agree. In the end i just hope these games get better since I payed for them. Also good job for acknowledging pesky's transphobia