The Downfall of Prodigy Discs

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The Downfall of Prodigy Discs

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Prodigy Discs has been making moves in the disc golf scene since 2013 and after a decade they might just be on the brink of collapse. Swiss and Jefferson recap the history of Prodigy and the down fall the brand is seeing
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@tatewellisch2041 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely savage to say youd rather watch paint dry than Isaac Robinson. I personally love seeing him and his consistency

@user-lg9xi1jx5b 7 ай бұрын

Not sure why anyone would say that. He is a great player and one of the nicest guys in the sport. Honestly, I don't see how any player is more fun to watch than another, it's just the nature of this sport. All I really care about is players who don't act like babies and show their ass when things are going bad, especially when they know they are on lead or chase card coverage. Act like you've been their before.

@MrCanewarning112 7 ай бұрын

Ditto. Someone who is basically auto from c2 is pretty fun to watch.

@HarryWylie-ck7sj 7 ай бұрын

Same I stinking love watching Isaac play. Could watch that guy put all day

@serenityinsilence 7 ай бұрын

I initially avoided prodigy because of all the negative comments about them. I decided to give them a shot and now love several molds from prodigy. None of the discs I’ve purchased have flashing. I’ve had more discs with terrible flashing from innova, dynamic and westside. All in all most people hate prodigy because it’s the popular thing to do. Just like anything on the internet, people love to jump on the hate train.

@michaelw6948 7 ай бұрын

Isn’t it crazy how Prodigy never seems to have a ‘big powerhouse’ team yet their players are constantly winning huge titles on the pro tour while throwing that awful Prodigy plastic? Surely their discs aren’t good enough for all of the 850 rated players here in the comments…

@nathanwilson7929 7 ай бұрын

Most of the pros throw the old stuff. Hard to throw like the pros when the average age of the disc is 5 years old.

@lukerichardson3253 7 ай бұрын

⁠@@nathanwilson7929not true. There are plenty of high quality disc being produced for their pros.they sponsor people all over the world

@joshcallaway3600 7 ай бұрын

@@nathanwilson7929 the new stuff is good too. In fact the old stuff isn't for most players anyway as its far more stable then newer stuff. I think people who make a living reselling old/used discs are the ones pushing "sought after" old runs.

@nathanwilson7929 7 ай бұрын

@@joshcallaway3600 pros need the stability for the arm speed. Again, if no one throws the new stuff, no one is going to want them. Same with Innova making a signature disc for a pro a Jay when she doesn't bag or throw a Jay. Fact is pros and players vocalize their disappointment in discs hep drive sales. Popularity does as well as, see Simon and lizzottles

@jimmyselvin 7 ай бұрын

So why are the winning players leaving Prodigy?

@jvladcliff4083 7 ай бұрын

F3, F5, A2 $

@mZondo 7 ай бұрын

I bag all 3. So good

@rageoid 7 ай бұрын

Preserve is a local course for me. Cale is a huge disc golf supporter in our state and elsewhere. I bag some Prodigy and I buy his discs, he's earned that. Several great molds, have to choose well is all.

@mjoesting 7 ай бұрын

"downfall" is an overly dramatic word choice. Yeah, they've lost a ton of pros over the last 2 years, but a small pro team doesn't strongly correlate with the success of the team members or with disc sales. MVP, Kastaplast, and even Innova should be evidence enough of that. Don't underestimate the impact of Chantel Budinsky and Caroline Henderson, either.

@stitch438 7 ай бұрын

Interesting how everyone knocks Prodigy but they seem to be ahead of the curve on signing new player's that will turn into something. At the very least; they enabled a lot of the big names today to get going at the pro level. Would we have all the names we have today without Prodigy?

@oakmusiccc 7 ай бұрын

They haven’t signed anyone this offseason, rather alot of their players are leaving

@KPrime31 7 ай бұрын

I will disagree with some of your points. Buhr broke his contract, and that was the right move. You can't argue that he's 17, he (or his parents) signed a contract. There are stamped discs that did promote his wins (even his fist Silver Series win), as well as every single win that one of their tour players achieved, even Parker Welck and Ezra's. Did you guys even do your research?

@lukerichardson3253 7 ай бұрын

Personally I don’t think the company is crumbling. They have a great team and seem to be making great discs. The video is pure speculation and no actual business numbers. They constantly have numerous players in the top ten, week in and week out. I have several Prodigy discs in my bag.

@stitch438 7 ай бұрын

Every video from this channel is pure speculation and/or clickbait...

@alexmartishius 7 ай бұрын

I didn't know it was possible to attempt an argument about the downfall of an entire company while providing no financial data whatsoever, lol! I'm not convinced.

@communityparked 7 ай бұрын

If you haven’t thrown anything by prodigy, you’re missing out. Don’t be fooled. Fun video! Here for the controversy ha

@firstavailablediscgolf 7 ай бұрын

So tired of the clickbait on this YT channel... Ugh.

@Eaglemadhatter 7 ай бұрын

As you click and comment on the click baited posting giving it more exposure? 😊

@joshcallaway3600 7 ай бұрын

bottom line...they make great molds and plastic...they are a smaller company...they have been for the ten years they've been around. They can't afford to keep young talent. Every company is seeing great players leave.

@KPrime31 7 ай бұрын

Also, when these big contracts keep pushing up the prices of discs, Prodigy will still be there with the lower priced discs.

@CentralPAMountainRiders 7 ай бұрын

I hope no serious player is basing whether they buy a disc or not on the name of the disc..

@nathanwilson7929 7 ай бұрын

Pros get a % of their disc sales... So no signature disc = no royalties. So no serious player is going to stay with a company that doesn't allow you to make money off sales.

@JesseJ588 7 ай бұрын

Any serious player knows that almost every single mold Prodigy makes can be found by another manufacturer. And if we're being honest their plastic is trash.

@nathanwilson7929 7 ай бұрын

@@JesseJ588 correct, there pro throw their old stuff.

@fightlashwoody 7 ай бұрын

the isaac slander is insane, I hate prodigy for the most part but isaac is awesome, his shot is gorgeous and hes just a fun guy overall, I'd rather watch him than kevin or any other prodigy player for that matter.

@keisi1574 7 ай бұрын

I second this.

@mojoeks 7 ай бұрын

Dang! This video hurt almost almost as much as the one and only time I threw a Prodigy disc.

@hereticyogiexpectationsups4037 7 ай бұрын

Would need to know more about their market share and profits trajectory to better understand their business standing?

@stevehill5018 7 ай бұрын

He (Natalie) just became the most hated guy in the history of disc golf! Most humans would not want that.

@user-dz6tx8tc1w 7 ай бұрын

Bro .. they still have Kevin Jones.. 😂 What is wrong with people and a 🎙️ today .

@TristanViola99 2 ай бұрын

This didn't age well 😂

@Chris.Davies 7 ай бұрын

Note to Prodigy: it is practically impossible to become emotional about a disc when it does not have a name. Putting a letter with a number in place of a name is utterly emotionless, and a super silly naming convention. And then, using numbers and (shock-horror!) more letters to name your plastics - well that is simply indefensible. You end up with disc names like "H3 V2 400G". If you can't see the difference between that and a "Halo Star Destroyer", or a "Champion Firebird", or a "Grand Orbit Grace" or a "Supreme Escape", then I don't know what to tell you. And finally, it is necessary to note the standard stamps on Prodigy discs are without doubt, the most boring and uninspiring stamps in all of disc golf. And, as a result no one gives prodigy discs a second look in my disc golf store, unless they pick up a disc in sticky 400G. Then they put it back in the box after a few seconds. :P I guess it is possible to argue that Prodigy's naming systems were a "gigantic fustercluck", but it is more accurate (and less controversial/clickbaity) to say they made some basic mistakes which prevented players becoming passionate about their products. And without passionate buyers, you have nothing. Note the passion with which an RPM thrower will defend their love for their Atomic Ruru, their Strata Takapu, or their Platinum Kahu. That's not coincidence, is it?

@joaquinesquivel7516 7 ай бұрын

A2❤

@jeffnarum1373 7 ай бұрын

When I started playing I liked their naming system. It kept it simple. Pa3, M2, F5 and a domey D1.

@lucasmuller8074 7 ай бұрын

Most practical and logical naming system period. I don’t need to have my disc be named after a Greek god to love it

@polaromonas 7 ай бұрын

Discmania would like a word. They have similar naming scheme, yet people are going crazy over MD1 (or P2 or whatever).

@noname-oh2sv 7 ай бұрын

@@polaromonas Some of their most loved disc have names. Cloud breakers and tactic come to mind. They don't only rely on numbers and letters. Also the fact that discmania does it only makes it more confusing. The names don't stand out unless you're already a die hard fan of either one.

@PitchperfectDG 7 ай бұрын

KJ was a bad signing when it happened. The do is good but not great. He cares more about the stuff he calls music then disc golf at this point.

@christopher.m.estelow 7 ай бұрын

I can't wait for the comments section on the first video where you use a different color other than red! Another great vid and keep em coming!!

@ZackDumond1 7 ай бұрын

Say you don’t know what you’re talking about, without saying you don’t know what you’re talking about.

@kevinfraser5179 6 ай бұрын

Zero mention of Thomas Gilbert? I played a round with him after the tour when his contract was expiring. He seemed pretty happy about the idea of playing for other companies.

@zopfii90 7 ай бұрын

Only Prodigy disc I own is from Cale L. lineup. The shadowfax. Thought i throw it like crap and im not a huge fan. Im a local to The Preserve and felt a duty to support my local talent (Cale) cause why not he is an outstanting dude. Other than that Prodigy can kick rocks. Also good luck Gannon.

@joshcallaway3600 7 ай бұрын

trying one disc is hardly enough to get a feel for prodigy plastic

@zopfii90 7 ай бұрын

This may be true but all the negativity that surrounds this manufacturer just leaves a bad taste. Especially the lawsuit with Ganon and other shady stuff they do to other players.

@nathanwilson7929 7 ай бұрын

I am like 2 hours from prodigy HQ, if it wasn't for their tournaments I probably would not own any prodigy discs.

@LondonDiscGolfCommunity 7 ай бұрын

Not bad summary, you missed the spicey details of the why big jerm and Paige piece left the company.

@michaelyahner6695 7 ай бұрын

been throwing Prodigy ironically for just over a year, I actually love the p model s in base grip. I thought it would be funny to rock a whole bag last year amongst the controversy. I’ll be throwing this bag like a misfit/punk next year. sue me

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

I bought five of them at under $6 a disc. I got 30 discs for $200 CAD, most in 400 and 500 Plastics. I am dying them and reselling them. More for us. Brand loyalists are easily manipulated and that suits me just fine.

@lucasmuller8074 7 ай бұрын

Y’all’s thumbnails are ridiculous😂

@piercegormley8644 7 ай бұрын

I love the 400g plastic honestly

@donalddavidson2350 7 ай бұрын

I don't believe Cam is still with the, and hasn't been for the last 2 , maybe 3 years

@trev3971 7 ай бұрын

As disc golf contracts, the big money deals for players outside the top 10 are gonna be albatrosses for the smaller brands. Gannon is super talented, but is he gonna sell discs commensurate with a big deal? If you combine his and Alden's social media presence, it's still a fraction of Simon's, not to mention the fact that a vast majority of disc golfers don't care about the pro game.

@wildcat31772 7 ай бұрын

i was an early Prodigy user back in 2013. still have a few mint proto discs. The flashing on their new discs has always been brutal, i'm shocked its still a thing last time i went to a disc shop. Their plastic itself is still probably my favorite feeling plastic out of the main manu's. Shame they appear to be shittin the bed.

@OldMan10923 7 ай бұрын

They haven’t had flashing on a disc that’s been produced since 2021

@wildcat31772 7 ай бұрын

@@OldMan10923 uh... the last time i bought a prodigy disc... actually maybe have been in 2021. Or 2022. I can't fully remember as I dont buy discs that often.

@oakmusiccc 7 ай бұрын

@@OldMan10923bruh not true

@F8d2Blk 7 ай бұрын

I always feel that prodigy discs need a new design team. Add cooler graphics to there discs and create cool names for their discs. Same as discmania. I feel some discs just sell better because of the graphics or how cool they look. What sounds better, oh I throw a cd1 or a f3. Or does it sound better, I throw a destroyer. I feel that needs to be changed to move forward. Get newbies more interested in their plastic.

@DiscGolfHunter 7 ай бұрын

They are not fucked. They are pivoting away from the US market to focus on Europe, where the real growth is.

@brandoncourteau9696 7 ай бұрын

A2 is quite possibly the greatest approach disc ever made, prodigy isn’t going anywhere

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

I bought four of them they were all on sale everything on their website was on clearance compounded with Black Friday sales I got 4 A2s for $22 CAD.

@barrypeirson3710 7 ай бұрын

@@Picklemedia Score!

@Mendozer7502 7 ай бұрын

Lmfao... thats a good one.

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

@@Mendozer7502 don't worry lenny. You can tend the rabbits

@GMAN24247 7 ай бұрын

Toro is better

@nolanfulton6112 7 ай бұрын

D1 is quite possibly the greatest approach disc driver ever made, prodigy isn’t going anywhere

@jeremywendelin 16 күн бұрын

This KZfaq channel is like the national enquirer of disc golf 😂 prodigy is not going anywhere….

@theLizardof0z 7 ай бұрын

Crumbling? Because YOU say so? Highly doubt it. Their problem is newbie and MA8 players online and videos such as this saying nothing positive - when they deserve the opposite. People complain about Prodigy flashing. It's nothing compared to Innova molds these days. People complain about the discs being inconsistent and unreliable. How many wins did Prodigy players amass last year? A LOT. Truth is they still make some fantastic plastic and some great discs. If people would throw the products before internet bashing them - videos like this wouldnt exist. Sadly, the community is full of lemmings (see MVP sales after signing Simon) that throw what they are told, jump on bash wagons when they have no business doing so, and cannot make an educated disc decision based on field testing. Gotta love disc golf!

@jaynorris3631 7 ай бұрын

Did anyone catch that? Did Gannon announce where he is going?

@tonyvillar23 7 ай бұрын

Shocked there was no mention that the bulk of their discs are now made in China.

@OldMan10923 7 ай бұрын

They’re better. Most other companies plastics comes from China they’re just not molded in China. They have better quality control over those discs. They fly how they’re supposed to. They’re durable. What else could you want?

@quinnmalcolm1693 7 ай бұрын

Isaac is running it back

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

Make clickbait videos, earn clickbait subscribers. You are diluting the quality of your channel.

@barrypeirson3710 7 ай бұрын

I think the titles are a bit tounge-in-cheek and their content is excellent. Chock full of info.

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

@@barrypeirson3710 I think the titles are misleading and I find that annoying. It's just my opinion and I'm giving my feedback. It's okay to disagree

@barrypeirson3710 7 ай бұрын

@@Picklemedia I see your point tbh

@RyandoSparks 7 ай бұрын

This is odd and seems like a “we hate Prodigy” video. Choosing not to overextend on players as a relatively smaller company when the Covid shine has worn off on disc golf seems like a smart idea.

@4dwyn 7 ай бұрын

Prodigy is the Oakland As of Disc Golf. They’re playing Moneyball

@nathanwilson7929 7 ай бұрын

Worse is they don't seem to be great at it.

@KPrime31 7 ай бұрын

@@nathanwilson7929 Time will tell. I think these big contracts are going to hurt companies in the end.

@momentomoridoth2007 7 ай бұрын

other than the apex bag, I have never owned another prodigy product. the bag is amazing,but I have never heard much in the way of good things from their discs

@CentralPAMountainRiders 7 ай бұрын

That's unfortunate because you're missing out...they're putters are amazing, the m4 midrange in air spectrum plastic has more eagle shots and aces then any other disc I own..you should probably try some for yourself before you take the word of people

@barrypeirson3710 7 ай бұрын

@@CentralPAMountainRiders PA-3 is awesome! My hands are huge though so I have been experimenting with Whale and Faith.

@tjmcgough5333 7 ай бұрын

I swear Prodigy was the one creating all the negative stuff about Lone star disc. I dont throw either but lone star is way better than prodigy

@user-lg9xi1jx5b 7 ай бұрын

I can honestly say that I have never bought any disc just because a certain player throws it. I don't care who plays for what team since the discs that work for these guys with 600' plus arms is really irrelevant to my game anyway. I don't think a company's team really affects sales as much as people tend to think. The reason I have never bought Prodigy discs is because of their naming convention. Everything being some cryptic alphanumeric code is just confusing to me so I have just never had any interest in their discs due to this.

@ErnoAlias 7 ай бұрын

Their site has an explanation of the disc letters/numbers if that seems cryptic. It's very simple and also the most professional of all the manufacturers when you look a little closer 👍

@OldMan10923 7 ай бұрын

It’s pretty simple. The lower the number the more stable. D=driver F=fairway M=midrange Pa=putt and approach. A=approach. It’s no different than md1 md2 md3 md4 and p1 p2 p3 p3x from discmania that everyone loves.

@JesseJ588 7 ай бұрын

Prodigy is on borrowed time. Great basket selection, but there is nothing special about their discs. Some are great but few cant be replaced by another company.

@craigcollins6514 7 ай бұрын

The way they treat there pros is disgusting!! Pour management on the way they do things. Not saying there products are shitty but watching for years these pros who were there from day one and producing world championships and the company not supporting shows you why ppl don’t run to them.

@bowebevonius 7 ай бұрын

I gave up Gillette shavers last year, a Prodigy disc is superior 🔪

@Holycow723 7 ай бұрын

This channel wins most annoying disc golf channel by far.

@tylers82 7 ай бұрын

The thing about it is Gannon isn’t wrong. Prodigy has had poor disc quality for years. D2’s that flew like a D1 should. D1’s that flip like a D6. Sharp flashing on the underside of the discs. I supported Prodigy for while because I’m a GA resident. After a while I was mainly throwing out of production plastic and it was $40+ every time I lost one. I throw MVP now and it’s not even close how much better MVP is. Side note I still bag an A2. I hope Prodigy turns it around but it won’t be from my wallet

@JinGalactica 7 ай бұрын

I found a Distortion brand new in a used bin and was like shoot, I always wanted to try this disc. You can hate me for complaining, but g*ddamn that disc had an inconsistent flight.

@CentralPAMountainRiders 7 ай бұрын

You really don't like their putters and midrange? I've tried every single disc and found prodigy putters are the most consistent. And the m4 in air spectrum plastic is money...ill def agree though, their d4 drivers suck, and the overstable fairway drivers aren't really all that great.

@ErnoAlias 7 ай бұрын

They have gotten rid of the flashing problem.

@KPrime31 7 ай бұрын

Every single company has the flight issues, molds being more stable, etc. And the flashing is gone with the new molds.

@OldMan10923 7 ай бұрын

The quality was dipping in 2019-2021 but everything since then has been perfect

@mindful_minipods 7 ай бұрын

I love the D1 171g-172g for forehand. But its made in China?

@michaelw6948 7 ай бұрын

Only their ace line discs are being made in china (P model S, etc.)

@liamchasejones 7 ай бұрын

@@michaelw6948That's not true. The Gannon D1's, Gilbert D2's, Luke D3's, H7, A5, MX1, Cale's Lineup, and Kevin's lineup were all originally made in China and shipped over by the masses. Also, the Fx3 and Fx4. I'm sure I'm forgetting even more, but those are the one's off the top of my head.

@michaelw6948 7 ай бұрын

@@liamchasejones I’ve not noticed that on any of the core series discs, but yes I forget about the KJ / Cale lines being made in china too.

@tylersonnier1778 7 ай бұрын

cam is back with prodigy? wtf?

@coachjordan1717 7 ай бұрын

2:20 sub-par???

@user-fi9ht9tb2c 7 ай бұрын

Not sure why anyone likes prodigy disc's, only ever bought a D3 which was okay but the flashing is bad on 95% of the disc's and they suck as a company and don't treat their sponsors well

@zkhhungo9970 7 ай бұрын

Downfall?🤣

@curtisridenour 7 ай бұрын

Yeah they did (fuck up)

@jii-ro7083 7 ай бұрын

prodigy is the worst company out there. Then comes shitcraft

@DrMcKay66 7 ай бұрын

Latitude 64°.....made in Sweden. No china crap there 😊

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

Awesome. Where is your cell phone made?

@DrMcKay66 7 ай бұрын

@@Picklemedia Whats has that got do do with discs? Most stupid answer ive heard in a long time 🤡🤡 but if you need to know i have a Gigaset gx6 and its made in Germany 😁👍

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

@@DrMcKay66 1. You said "do do" 2. You cannot ask an "answer", what I did is what we call a 'question' 3. I was implying the irony of half your things being made in China. Obviously. 4. You edited your comment and it is still full of mistakes: grammatical, ideological, and spiritual. 5. I'm actually your dad.

@DrMcKay66 7 ай бұрын

@@Picklemedia 😂😂 Awesome.

@SunshineBr0 7 ай бұрын

Doomer vid

@earlthomas6295 7 ай бұрын

China made discs is a bad business strategy.

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

Why?

@Picklemedia 7 ай бұрын

Where is your cell phone made LOL😂 90 percent of the things in your home are made in China I can almost guarantee it.

@user-vw7js5iw3u 7 ай бұрын

Di$craft has some of the best flying plastic out there!!! "GO team DI$CRAFT",oh yeah GATEWAY has some great flying plastic too & no not just their putt & approach disc,they do have some great drivers!!!! Thanks & much love to all disc golfers,from Ben Casper Owens #19275 from El Reno Oklahoma!!!!