The DRAMA Filled Past of Anthurium papillilaminum

The DRAMA Filled Past of Anthurium papillilaminum | Pretty in Green Documentary

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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro to Anthurium Pap
0:25 How to NOT pronounce Papillilaminum
0:39 Where is the Anthurium Pap from?
0:53 When was the Anthurium Pap Discovered
1:05 Anthurium Pap LeafMorphology
1:12 Anthurium Sinus Width
1:19 Anthurium Pure Pap / Wild Clones
1:38 Anthurium Papillilaminum Care
1:57 What does RA stand for? Rory Antolak RA1-18
2:06 BVEP is now Antolakii
2:07 Jay Vannini Anthurium
2:08 Scott Cohen
2:10 Dwane Burgess
2:15 Anthurium papillilaminum Gator Skin
2:16 Anthurium papillilaminum Swamp Bunny
2:17 Anthurium papillilaminum Dad Bod
2:20 The Different Anthurium Papi
2:26 Anthurium pap Ralph Lynam
2:37 Fort Sherman Anthurium Pap
2:51 The Anthurium Poaching event in Guna Yala
3:15 The Ecuador Poached Anthurium Alleged Buyers
3:36 Large CHONK are a dead giveaway
3:47 Reddit Alleges Ecuagenera purchased poached anthurium
3:55 Justin Jones - createdinagarden - poaching of Paps
4:23 The Poachers confirm they are selling to Ecuagenera AND Tropicals
4:46 DON'T buy Anthurium Pap Guna Yala
4:52 Ask the Origin of your plants!
5:05 The FUTURE of Anthurium
5:19 Dwane Burgess Selfed Ralph Lynam
5:26 Justin Jones Kunayalense X Pap Hybrid
5:45 Please LIKE the video!
In this video, we go over:
Anthurium Pap Poaching
Ecuadorian papillilaminum poaching
Did Ecuagenera Poach Plants?
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@f.crossland6488 8 ай бұрын

Most of the forms shown in the drawing from 0:09 are hybrids. it's a shame people don't realize most of the sought after paps are mixed by growers looking for describable characteristics. Assigning a code / name to each form is a huge error. You can literally find wide and overlapped lobes even within the same population. Also there is no scientific record of Paps existing in Guna Yala. Source: I'm a Panamanian.

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

This is exactly what I thought while researching it. Thank you for clearing this up 🙏

@PauZakArtist 8 ай бұрын

Exactly - there's like literally little to no info at all about most anthurium varieties. no single serious database, nothing. people are trying to get a grip on info on facebook pages and youtube. and it's 2023..

@justingurski8770 5 ай бұрын

That is an artist's rendering (Andrew Blaurock) of wild collected plants that are now in captive cultivation by growers and collectors. Mostly collected by Rory Antolak (RA numbered wild clones), a self-taught botanist and prolific grower in Miami/Davey, FL. Rory is well-known in the tropical plant community specifically for his work with Anthurium and Cycad, and has partnered with botanists to collect and describe new plants (Anthurium antolakii being most prominent, previously known as sp. 'bvep' or black velvet eastern Panama). The rest of them pictured are well-known in the trade, originally from growers Scott Cohen (long x long bullet), Paul Marcellini (swamp bunny, gaorskin, dadbod) and Marie Nock (Ree pap, traced back to the 1980s), as well as those collected by Jay Vannini ('Fort Sherman'). They may not be confirmed papillilaminum from genetic testing but they all share same inflorescence and foliar characteristics despite changes in morphology, and all of them in the depiction are the wild-collected form, and not captive-grown hybrids.

@ElsieJay 8 ай бұрын

I like how 'chonk' has become the official term 😂

@emoo2342 8 ай бұрын

Hah-this tickles me, too.🤣

@noora7773 8 ай бұрын

you know it's not a super official term when google translator wouldn't recognize it as English!😅

@emoo2342 8 ай бұрын

@@noora7773 google translate just hasn't caught up, yet.:P

@drainodetox 8 ай бұрын

looove these docs, keep it up!!

@tdillonaniawhitaker1200 8 ай бұрын

I bought a Regale that has the biggest, I mean biggest chonk ever I often wondered about its origins. I also have two pap but I'm sure they are seed grown ❤ love your content keep on keeping on . ❤

@justingurski8770 5 ай бұрын

A. regale has been in production and propagation in the US and Ecuador for decades. It also doesn't take as long as you might think to take a seed-grown Anthurium to a large plant - 2 or 3 years is plenty to have an inch+ wide stalk under good care, depending on species. I doubt your A. regale was of poached origin.

@aplantprocess 8 ай бұрын

Love the visuals, music and narration. Thank you.

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

This means a lot!!! THANK YOU

@shnuggumz 8 ай бұрын

💚Thanks for sharing yet another titillating plant take. I absolutely look forward to these! I had no idea about the poaching and the signs to look out for that can give us an idea of the origin of a plant. Also to be honest, I never thought to ask about origin in the first place. I’ll be sure to do that moving forward. Thanks again for doing so much research, and telling the story here!

@mitchclark5362 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this information. Your videos are so helpful.

@AroidMixer 8 ай бұрын

yes thank you so much for makeing these videos i love watching them

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

You are so welcome! Glad you enjoy :)

@Tminus89 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, story time again 😄 with sound effects/music, nice going. Really sets the atmosphere

@elizabethlacey7708 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the education!!

@kspence5300 8 ай бұрын

These are always so good.

@como81 8 ай бұрын

Hope you can find out for more tracks of this species origin for us to filter what we are taking home, as long this market is unfortunately unreliable. Tks a lot for sharing

@SparkleInMoonlight 8 ай бұрын

Ok. This makes me think - if Ecuagenera/Tropicals took poached A. papi, then how do we know how many of their other plants were originally poached? I bought A. Villenaorum from Ecuagenera, which is clearly grown from a seed, but I intended to buy more anthuriums from them (since here in the EU, some anthuriums are really difficult to buy elsewhere). This makes me question whether I should buy anything from Ecuagenera at all since I don´t want to support poaching in any way. I hope to see more investigations on this topic - unless they are transparent about its origings, how can we trust them?

@SparkleInMoonlight 8 ай бұрын

@@rebeccahenderson7761 I agree - it´s a speculation. More information and investigation is needed for sure - I hope this channel will bring more information in the future. However, if Ecuagenera took one photo of a mother plant, all claims against them would fall apart immediately.

@Jayl__ 8 ай бұрын

Interesting I remember in the pandemic all my el choco red plants from Tropicals had Chonks on them and they were baby seedlings

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

It’s likely they grow lots and lots of their stock!

@Dieppaloveplants 8 ай бұрын

I bougth anthurium from ecua and is missing a big chunk 😮

@silenc3x 8 ай бұрын

Oooohhh another shady past. * *buckles up for drama*

@vegetationvixen 7 ай бұрын

The irony of Justin Jones feigning concern about this matter is not lost on me. As a citizen of a “sh*thole” country (as one of your past presidents so sagely put it 😑), it never ceases to amaze/amuse me how Americans forever remain the Authority of everything… particularly things that don’t belong to them. Perhaps if the Panamanians had been the ones to issue this warning and Justin had allied himself to it, I’d be more supportive of his stance. However, granted that he stands to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in investment if he can no longer sell his intended TC paps for top dollar because the market has become saturated with cheaper wild clones out of Ecuador, I view this as nothing more than a ploy to dissuade people from purchasing from those companies. The audacity of him to repeatedly request that Ecuagenera shows him a pic of their parent plant is the epitome of entitlement that only a yt man in America can exude. Like who does Justin really think he is? THESE PEOPLE DO NOT ANSWER TO YOU. I view it as nothing more than slander to insinuate that Ecuagenera purchased poached plants. But if poachers approached ME because they knew I had a large nursery and sent photos of hundreds of plants they’d stolen from a neighbouring country, I WOULD purchase plants from them if I was seriously into conservation and inform said country of the poaching that occurred. In so doing, I’d be able to reintroduce wild type plants back into the Panamanian forests after the hype and demand has died down. If all those plants went to China/Singapore/Thailand etc. and none was kept, the true wild types would be lost forever. However, granted that everything is speculation at this point, it just seems a tactic to maintain the high demand within the market for these plants.

@hennipap6800 7 ай бұрын

Ecua has answered a self entitled massage to him. But without any information. Its a question of transperacy for your customers. So why hide something when your vest is clean? Maybe your vest ISNT clean!!

@betobadillo8951 4 ай бұрын

Friend, I think it is Justin Jones is within his rights to ask where the papillilaminum came from, now perhaps his controversy about it is independent, because if it is strange that Ecuador and sellers from Ecuador began to market plants that were the same ones that went out in poaching, now Ecuagenera has international business in Asia coincidentally since papillilaminum went on sale, Dressleri and Kunayalense all without exception had these specimens

@betobadillo8951 4 ай бұрын

Ecuador's marketers simply ignore this and exhibit what is really evident in the end ecuagenera is one more company that I don't doubt al. Just like every businessman makes his unethical deals in order to generate money even if he does research, etc... There is a lot of money through these companies that it is not convenient for them to say what they really do, that we are not blinded by collecting, with what is really evident, in the end they will never have a sanction, they could not even pass the papillilaminum to the United States, they gave it another name like BVEP, that was even more suspicious, in short, the money always comes back to people like that

@human3872 8 ай бұрын

Ecuador climate is similar to Panama so it wouldn’t be surprising if some of the large chonks were grown in their greenhouse or outdoor garden.

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

Were those mother plants kept for years in secret in their outdoor garden?

@lucie2376 Ай бұрын

@@prettyingreen No need too. Plant passion is not so young. It as more than 50 years in fact. So why wouldn't they have mother plants when other have and sell seedling already. They must also have really good conditions for growing. In the right climate, vegetation grow reeally fast. Saw it in Martinique.

@josiptumapa 8 ай бұрын

I didn't expect the plan world to have SO MUCH DRAMA and ETHICAL ISSUES.😅

@zandrawostel5868 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the truth.

@carolstuff 8 ай бұрын

Wow, they all look awesome, but hate that some may have been poached. Thanks for the info on the humongous stem, those are definitely suspect!

@synchronartcity5919 8 ай бұрын

Aw man you lost me at justin jones. Gatekeeper who will bash anything that would challenge the horrendous prices he loves to get away with charging.

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

Hmmm interesting. I’ve never heard anything bad about Justin. Does he gate keep his breeding processes/growing techniques?

@PlantswithCoffee 7 ай бұрын

I dont actually mind where it coming from, but ofcrus its always good to know where this specific plants origin came from. One thing i also notice that someone anthorium tend to mutate depends on different environment. Just recently, exactly 7 days ago i received my White Stripes Regale from Ecuagenera Ecuador which is a one-leafer (poached) or cutting, i dont mind if they grow or the mother and propagate it or they bought poached and propa it in their green house as long as they supply an excellent specimen. In Philippines this anthorium still has a high tag price which buying overseas is a good deal.

@Misspotayto1 8 ай бұрын

Quoting what a poacher has said, which is not a reliable source to begin with, is not good/ethical journalism. You are presenting statements that have not been substantiatied as facts, and thus slandering a company and impacting their business without knowing the actual truth (which you have plastered on your video that this is the "TRUE" story). You are misleading your audience. Think about it logically, if you were a poacher, why would you tell a random person that you were selling to Ecuagenera and ruin that relationship with potentially your top buyer? It's much more likely that they are using Ecuagenera as a scapegoat/fallguy to make them look bad and hide who they are actually selling to.

@prettyingreen 8 ай бұрын

I just made a community post for you regarding this comment.

@manuelavonwitte 8 ай бұрын

I disagree entirely. Quoting a poacher is good/ethical journalism, as he is including statements made by all parties. Not only one side. And quoting somebody is not stating facts, therefore not slander.

@variegated_stingray 8 ай бұрын

I disagree entirely. Quoting someone "shady" isn't telling much. You know... these people tend to say a lot of nonsense.@@manuelavonwitte

@betobadillo8951 8 ай бұрын

You would be very surprised that some poachers don't mind saying who they work with to make money and I'm telling you, I'm from Mexico, in Oacaxa there are many poachers and for them it's better to say it. They are the ones they sell to for their "prestige" and they buy from these hunters

@hennipap6800 7 ай бұрын

And why Ecua sell Dessleri and Papis all of a sudden?!

@thefamily2707 3 ай бұрын

😂 poached plants

@you_gullible_fucc 8 ай бұрын

I don't like how big plant export companies like Ecuagenera and Tropicals are getting away with allegedly poaching. Having close relations with the IAS and botanists is even worse, either they too are complicit or these companies are using them as a way to not be suspect. And both companies dominate the international market and many people and influencers buy from them. It frustrates me more than ever because it's almost like having the dominant hand over the market means you can get away with unethical practices. Someone definitely needs to push this more and hold them accountable, their reputation needs to be rightfully tarnished if they are at fault for buying these poached plants.

@variegated_stingray 8 ай бұрын

Hold your horses... please. How'd all those "legendary" US collectors and breeders get their plants exactly? Oh yeah, through poaching. RA's plants are just one example of many. It's hypocritical to only selectively go after ppl that do illegal things and ignore others that essentially do the same thing! And even worse... these are the ppl that then ask for thousands of dollars for cuttings of a plant they've just poached from the jungle of Panama - which obviously motivates others that want to make money too.