PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE

@@Skyline_NTR this sounds exactly like something some company would implement as their verification system

Tabbyyyy lol

What is a macro cause like i play rts's and i make crt groups all the time

​@@gkwon7295 Why are you spamming this fairly useless information under every comment? Get a grip.

Streamer: "I cheated?" PA: "Yes. You have 15 days to prove you didn't meant to cheat." Streamer: "I couldnt find proof. How am I suppose to prove that?" PA: "But they did. Community: Trust me bro." Streamer: "Wtf."

Based mgs reference

​@cowdudeYFGAfanlearn to spell first

​@@MoistYoghurt my guy, that is how they get you. Intentionally having spelling error so people correct them, because people love correcting stuff.

Blizzard does the same thing with Overwatch 2, so honestly what's the difference these days.

Except that from the forum post it seems like it's actually this: Community: Streamer is cheating! PA: I gotchu he's temp banned now. Streamer: uhhh proof? PA: bruh don't doubt me *perma ban activated*

@@gkwon7295 no one threatened anyone's dad ???????????

​@@kallekehveliwas it intentional that it's a joke about threatening dads and a dad joke at the same time?

@@Dommifaxit wasn’t a dad joke. Nor was it threatening dads. Smooth brain activity in this thread.🤷🏽‍♂️

That's not the real issue here since almost the entire game (except mob combat) is designed from bottom up to play itself while you're AFK

Imagine Johnny Depp. Condemned by 99% of the media without trial. Every major news network calling him an abuser. Forget "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty". And let's not forget the results of the ACTUAL TRIAL - Amber Heard revealed to be the REAL sociopathic narcissist that ruined Johnny's career. Cancel culture in a nutshell.

​@cowdudeYFGAfanman is this criticals channel or what? Report that bot pls

Pearl Abyss is also in a bad state right now. PA is 300 billion won(about 223mil USD) in debt, its stock price is also on a downward trend, and their last bet on Crimson Desert with the goal of launching it in 2023 has now been postponed until after 2025.

@cowdudeYFGAfanrelax

that a bot @@jacobsallyo

​@@MoMo-if3nh Yikes, that is a large debt, and they still have the audacity to do this kind of thing. It's the worst and last thing they need to do, and as Asmon said, this hurts the advertisement for the game. The Crimson Desert is their last chance; it's a go big or go home situation.

Sounds like ppl from BDO. Mby they should make game pvp again and not pve one :D

Unfortunately you're probably right. I can't see how that macro would have any positive impact in this game (or any game). An attack then opening a window that blocks what's going on? I can't really get how that macro would have been useful even if it was deliberate in any way.

Extremely true

​@@hinalle123 pvp would make the game even more toxic than it already is.

100%. Nobody in bdo is risking their accounts doing any sort of afk macro grinding. What a stupid ban.

Yep they claimed the turf by eating sh*t. Now they function as the substrate

There is a reason there actual people who just want to serve(most often like you said at the bottom). Some want to be a functioning Maschine, they know the moral actions etc is bad/good and they have their own feelings but out of sheer fucking premise they obey the code of conduct they imposed on themselves(like a cog that must rotate, it just does it. It's logical and it makes it complete). And then they are those who can rule and will/want and those who will/want but can't due to skills.

It's actually sickening. It reminds me of when Escape from Tarkov was kinda scamming players by doing the math wrong on their pricing during a sale which resulted in people paying more than they should have had to. I pointed this out and tons of people were defending them for literally no reason. Some people just like being taken advantage of I guess.

Some people lack a brain. It’s quite sad tbh

@@chanter3978 EFT is for masochists so not surprising.

PA: we got you! Zerker buff

how about we give all class gwab???

Reddit mods be tripping.

"we have investigated ourselves and found ourselves cleared of any wrongdoing" Kapp

Agreed, everyone saying he deserved a ban for baiting the company into wrongfuly banning him is a freaking moron. He demonstrated, without breaking any rules, that they're lazy idiots who lied about investigating and instead just press the red button. He did the community a service. WIthout people like him, companies have free reign to do whatever they want and the users just have to take it up the ass.

What’s up fats

thats illegal in sweden

UwU

Most these games are. You should see lost ark.

every community have bad people, that the internet for ya

​​@@gkwon7295 Huh? After the first investigation, they said he didn't do anything wrong. Backlash caused them to go after him again, so if I were him, I would be pissed too. Also, I am unsure if what you're saying is even true. Even if that is the case, the 2nd guy got banned because it "looked like" he cheated when he had a wireless keyboard 3 feet away from the PC. That 100% shouldn't happen, and their investigations could be handled better by literal children.

​​​​@@gkwon7295 Again, give me a source or something for the legal action because I won't believe something is true because one guy in the YT comments said so. If it was during the 2nd investigation, I really can't blame him if he was making a living off of streaming for the game because their first investigation said he didn't cheat, and they get backlash and flip-flop. Sure, it relates to it because the 2nd guy trolled them and used his keyboard to make it look like he was cheating, and they investigated and said, "Oh yeah, totally cheating. We looked into it." The 2nd guy did not deserve the ban at all, and the 1st guy situation doesn't justify it. Even if the first guy threatened legal action doesn't justify the ban if he didn't actually cheat. That's just dumb.

PA messed even open world pvp, you can get banned for killing other players

​@@Raiuga-wizwtf, really?

@@ThatsWild1 No, you get banned for griefing people. Clown Patrol likes to leave out certain context when regurgitating the crap they hear other people spout.

@@Kriptoker aaaah i see, thx

still here tho as a red musa. you got banned if you hunt a specific player even when they already changed server

This is because people dont necessarily want "the truth" but rather are just satisfied with justifying action based on "a truth"

Dude, what do all of this need to do with Pearl Abyss and Black Desert? Did you mean she died because her Black Desert account got banned?

​@@sanguin3 how do you not comprehend it? Derp

@@sanguin3 Look up the word "Comparison" and you'll get your answer.

@@sanguin3 dude go back and study how to read

i doubt that the ban will be for that one game its not like they ban your social security number they ban your game account, if they ban you're social security number you cant live there any more then,

What the hell

No?

So basically they are not allowed to play online? Or is it just Korean games like BDO?

@@kuyagab4444 Korea has a system that bound your acc to social security number, its to prevent smurfing, and selling accounts, etc. So if you get ban on one specific game you can never play that game again. Unlike anywhere else if you get perma ban you just create a new one.

time to go pro, bro. 😂

@@MrRitmu not gonna happen with a 6h a10 kitava, lol.

So good you didn't just get accused of cheating, you got banned by auto-detect. Must have been within like 2-3 millisecond every press at the optimal speed.

​@@nom6758 It was towards the end in act 1. It also was a few years back, so i probably didn't press too many buttons very fast. Could've also been just a bug/error in the code of the auto-detect, which is probably more likely than me actually playing in a rythm that would get me banned if i think about it now. I was still surprised how fast i actually got unbanned though.

that's wild man, actually I consider that as an achievement

Now They can look for real games like Elden Ring and BG3

Not in KR.

You dont have to want to be involved with others to be a part of group 1. But otherwise yes

Reminds me of the time I reported an obvious pilot, and nothing was ever done. Pilot was in Arsha, the actual player was a proper pvper, but his pilot was god-awful. I couldn't kill him because of the gear difference, but he kept running away and not even bothering to attack me.

@@gkwon7295 but blue dragon or the other guy got permabanned too right? did he also threaten to take legal action?

@@gkwon7295 Also why would permabanning him stop him from taking legal action against them anyway? do you have any source I can read up on this further?

Dumb take.

@@yeeaabooii9135 this situation is really dumb yea

​@@gkwon7295 and why do you think he want to take legal action in the first place?

A joke that every player agrees to.

Reminder: The vast majority of TOS of video games are neither contracts (being adhesion agreements) nor legally binding (by non-negotiable nature, bargaining power and breach of lease limits within obligations which also perform a sale, not lease; but are also usually void ab initio). In fact a lot of them are void due to being outright illegal agreements by asking you to commit criminal actions and the drafting party committing a threat with the conditional of theft and blackmail under the clause of coercion which breaches ICCPR and ICESCR articles.

Does TOS specify that macro has to do something?

@@VytautasLDKDumb take. Nobody is talking about whether it was technically against the ToS. What is being discussed is about whether it was the right thing to do. You've heard of the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law?

@@VytautasLDK It's implicit that it's something intended and designed to interact with the game in question, otherwise tipping a coffee mug over your keyboard can also be seen as macro use as you didn't manually make those inputs either. From the game's perspective, there's no difference between a human pressing keys and the keyboard's onboard controller sending key events according to a preprogrammed macro. The game (or operating system, or hardware) can't distinguish between what the keyboard perceives as a macro key vs. a normal key. Heck, every key can be a macro key on a QMK keyboard, even though 99% of the time it's 1 keypress for 1 input event. There's also no strict standard keyboards have to adhere to to be considered "non-cheat-compliant", so the developers have to analyze the inputs the game receives and determine whether they were made synthetically with an unfair advantage in mind. There's no other way to distinguish cheating from not cheating.

@@MunyuShizumi It is even better, because in the second case, the guy was actually making the inputs. He wasn't cheating at all or doing macro. He was using another keyboard, basically just playing the game. The only thing that differed from "normal" gameplay was what his stream showed. This should never be a reason to ban him. The only evidence they should even consider are the game logs, not his stream on twitch... This is an actual witch hunt. I think they would ban you even if you played the game normally and just told the audience on your stream that you are cheating.

You do realize that a player pushing "WASD" is functionally no different than say a ball rolling across your keyboard doing it? The intent has to be for gain or advantage.

"... they should buy that small car..." - brilliant stuff! 🤣 🤣

But he did macro and admitted so himself. It might've been a pre-programmed macro from the keyboard useless in the actual game, but fact of the matter is that he still used a macro. I'm not saying the ban is justified, but... he did macro.

no need to imagine that, its treu as they are both two different games and its happening no need for imgination

Wouldn't it be less rare in MMOs, where key presses can be used in situations like these and for sussing out bots and macros? Also, wouldn't logging keypresses be pretty cheaply logged? I can't imagine saving a few week's worth of "They pressed A here, they pressed the down arrow here" on top of logging the skills used would take up *that* much space. It'd just be a light text document. I'm not a software engineer, but I know WoW and Final Fantasy do it without issue. At the very least the biggest Korean MMO should be able to as well.

sometimes that tends to be the case.

for real

thankful when now he is blacklisted on rest of korean games?:))

Bro you just summed up life in general, not just video games you know

They shouldn't worry about the niche vocal backlash. They should worry about the silent majority. They won't make a scene when they leave. Obviously this won't kill the game, but it does hurt it a little.

Jealous sad people

Even when I was an assistant Minecraft server admin in high school, I apparently did more investigation before pulling the ban trigger than some companies with real skin in the game. Bans were never issued on reports alone, at least not by me, and I'd always figure a way to catch offenders in the act before I banned or suspended them by snooping around and watching them for a bit, so they'd have an awfully difficult time calling it unjustified or appealing the decision. More work in the initial investigation, making sure to do it right, means less work later. And then I'd clean up the mess they made of the map to spite them.

Well in my server I have cheats enabled. Can I cheat on your server?

@@VytautasLDKno but I have a macro that presses spacebar, I have one that presses escape, and one that presses VEL, if my mouse software doesn’t register I closed one game and opened another and doesn’t swap vel to spacebar/escape I shouldn’t get banned on a game I spent 7 years and 100’s of dollars on.

⁠@@Iog0utNot if the game doesn’t allow macros in their tos.

Also, I think a lot of those left hand keys on Windows keyboards are bound to stuff like "WIN-R calc.exe" which would explain the jump and all of the windows opening on his screen...

Why you need too macro it when you can do it on your own at human average speed?

Nope, you can't do this in BDO. The GMs usually visit you if you're grinding for a long time or doing similar key combination timings. There's a pop up that will appear on your screen that you should respond to verify that you're a human. Personally haven't happened to me but happened to some of my guildies.

Say you play the game at 60fps, if you want a frame perfect input you have about 1/60 of a second of range, or 16.6ms. And most things are not exact frame perfect, so you often will have a lot of time (in computing terms) to add some jitter to your macro.

while staging a fake murder to show that the same scenario can happen without killing someone is different from committing a murder, the ToS for most if not all games AND OTHER ONLINE PLATFORMS state that "we are as the company are godlike and reserve the right to remove you at any point we so decide for any reason"

​@@serikazero128that part of tos is completely irrelevant. Nobody cares, you arent clever.

@@janitorizamped unfortunately for you, the reason is there is because people care, especially when it comes to legal enforcement for there being consequences for said company. Sorry, 10.000 people quitting black desert ain't going to mean anything to them, especially since most of those are low spends or not at all. Them getting sued and losing a lot of money matters. And ToS protects them from that.

@@gkwon7295 why are you spreading this misinformation in multiple comment threads?

@@gkwon7295 what?

Mobs are more effective for the same reason they are in Japan. It’s all about the group identity and keeping the group happy compared to us with ‘ the self’ centric philosophy in the west

Because some people think intentionally making a lot of buttons to press an intended mechanic makes for a good game and simplifying the UI to function the same but be easier to use is "cheating".

If you play bdo, macro is huge in that game. You basically need to press multiple key to use skill or combo (you can use the number button in your skill slot, but most high rank player want to play with clear UI to see what’s going on in field). And you can basically auto farm using macro, so people mad. (Im using it for my self hahahaha)

I think basic keyboard macro's are fine. But the issue is if you go down the path of advanced macro's, you are a stones throw if not exactly like bot, and nobody likes other players who bot because it devalues the games experience in many ways. However in this example its just the dev is just being lazy.

its a common feature through most peripheral manufacturers and very common free software, it's available to everyone equally so it shouldn't be a problem

not sure how the game is right now but back then 6-7 years ago you can use macro to level up your life-skill like wood cutting which in the end give you some economic advantages over people who doesnt. I dont think it's because "people and press a few button at the same time during combat" or something like that.

true. since i'm a long time kpop enjoyer, korean idols are terminated fast as fuck when a bullying scandal comes out of nowhere. agencies most of the time don't even try to resolve the issue.

That's pretty much how it works in NA too right? Johnny Depp & Amber Heard scandal got Disney to kick him out of Pirates of the Caribbean if I recall correctly. Public opinion is something important for companies I would say. To me the problem is how, as usual, people try to exploit that.

I barely tried the game before dropping it. But I didn't have the time to start using macros before I stopped playing.

This argument is so bad.

1 pm here lol

The sun is going to come up in about 20 min where I am haha

@@hiperego lol just about to be 6am here and im about to go out in negative weather to get my tires fixed and a hot coco haha this vid is perfect for it

@chanter3978 i got another hour and half! Winter vampires are out lol

funny how timezones exist hu..

Yeah, but he got permabanned before it came out he was pretending to cheat. We have the benefit of hindsight, and know it was a baiting attempt after he revealed it. But when they permabanned him, if they had done their investigation properly, they would have known that it wasn't actually a macro. He pretty much sacrificed himself to prove that point.

@@Chao-Feng Why would you investigate when the guy's character moves by itself? What would you investigate? It's literally video evidence of him having automated gameplay. Let's say they run a check and they see it didn't trigger any macro alerts, well, then he just fucking circumvented it somehow, there are plenty of cheats that are undetected, streamers get exposed all the time for having custom made cheats by accidentally showing the cheat.

@@soldat88hun Automated gameplay is a bit much. The video evidence was him dropping earphones on his keyboard and some stuff happened in game. Spare me your hypotheticals and refer to what they actually have. Edit: Same guy here

@@Chi-Wen "some stuff", lol did you actually watch the video?

This does not mean that companies are under any obligation to bend to the will of a mob of angry peasants over actual non-issues.

​@@crowe6961Just to clarify the first ban is expected, I do not expect admins to be better than your average clerk. The second one is what is stupid and not because of a mob or anything like that. It goes all the way to the basics: Which option is going to preserve the status quo of "This game is worth investing time into". If you they want to look for lessons, old shards of MMOs used in-game jails and cumulative sentencing. If this was 2 days of grinding a mechanic to serve a jail sentence the mob would not be like this.

@@mckidney1 I routinely used tempbans on first offenders or for minor, rules-violating nonsense when I was an assistant admin for a random Minecraft server back in the day. No fun for the weekend, come back later, shape up or it gets worse, etc. And it was never based entirely on hearsay, I'd use at least halfway credible hearsay as probably cause to start an investigation... and not a hair more. Whole bunch of people got investigated and not punished, because I could not find proof of them actually breaking rules even while using tools to observe them. 1, 3, or 7 day suspensions were typical from me for simple behavioral issues, depending on severity or repeat offenses. I didn't like permabanning people, but I certainly did that too for egregious cases and those who refused to learn. That said, I wasn't the guy assigned to catching hackers, just general policing of the short list of rules we had. Even so, I was in high school, had no skin in the game, and still did more due diligence than these people. Surely, an average clerk can beat a teenager's performance?

You did not listen. They banned him temporarily saying they will investigate. THEN, after supposed investigation, they extended his ban to permanent. Second streamer imitated situation where he looks like using macros/bots in order to prove that Pearl Abyss does no investigation at all. Only judging by the number of reports, without actual proof.

That fact that you think Pearl Abyss did any internal investigation is hilarious. Temporarily while investigating? IIs this a joke?

​@@ravio1042 that's an absolutely default practice in most game studios including those who're praised right now (like grindindgears and PoE). Investigation in games with massive amount of players always comes after ban appeal and not before (sometimes there's no investigation at all). For example: i recently decided to try out PoE after getting a bit disappointed in d4. Tried it out. Got banned within first 3 days of playing the game. Since i was never given the reason why i got banned, i wrote both ban appeal and asked why i was banned at the first place. 2 weeks later PoE support finally decided it's time to reply to me. They unbanned me, but never gave a reason i was banned for. 3 days passed. I got banned again. No reason why it happened again. And for context it's a popular problem in PoE that their script is just randomly banning people for supposed RMT if the account is new and it got some kind of "unfair trade" from someone. When i went to PoE discord people literally told me it was a grave mistake to take gifts from your friends on a fresh account. Their unban policy works that way that if you got unbanned once, there's almost no way you're getting unbanned again (unless you're a streamer). And that's not even a joke. So yeah, they did not unban me for the 2nd time and said they can't do it, even tho they supposedly investigated my account first time and found out there was nothing wrong. After doing a research on forums and reddit i found out they've been unbanning people even if they were clearly botting/RMTing etc (like people were admitting that themselves on forums and reddit making fun of grindinggear). So it's safe to assume there's no "investigation" that PoE support conducts at all. It's just that if their broken script banned people once - they're guaranteed to get one unban, if that happened twice - they're guaranteed to never get unbanned. Simple as that. So in the end of the day my account is permanently banned for god knows what (the best guess is that system randomly detected some supposed RMT activity) and i am never willing to touch that game again, cuz even tho it's free to play it's literally unplayable without buying additional stash tabs via microtransaction. And i would still constantly feel the pressure of getting banned for no reason. So yeah, i find it stupid that people are so mad at PA while literally most gaming companies operate that way or even worse. Basically an industry strandard even for those games which are so desperately being hyped and praised.

NONE of them got thier bans revoked yet and the point is that the company is fucking lazy and bans ppl based on public opinion

fair play

ur fast bro

Macros are virtually undetectable nowadays if built well

@@Iog0ut Depends on the game, some have mechanics that make it comically obvious - Mordhau makes any attempts at auto-blocking macros trivial to notice. It usually results in the whole enemy team jumping the guy and his own team booting him from the match, I haven't personally seen any in months.