"Hey kids wanna burn every village?"

If Saruman was a good guy do you think he would've recruited the Dunlandings to fight against Mordor?

@@memer7987 probably, by way of a pact to return at least some of their homeland.

*insert land back native american ethnonationalist meme*

" Yes My Friends a Sword and Dagger of Steel for every Girl Child You Wish to Trade"......

MURDERERS!!!

It's often the difference of you that determines good or bad!!! Like the Riders of Rohan in this situation would be considered the bad guys cuz they were tyrannical towards these people! But they might have done it for a reason I'm not up on the subject enough to know.

What Saruman basically said was Theoden, Eomer and Eowyn must atone for the sins of their forefathers.

​@@Will.Flavell Take back the lands they stole from you! Burn every village!

​@@BJETNTRohan had a reason. They wanted more land. That's it.

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Ok. Now I'm hungry. I just asked for fat girl merch and you're talking ' bout DUMPLINGS.

Second breakfast?

@@badlaamaurukehu One bite will keep a grown man full for a day....how many did you eat? 7 🤣. Yes I know it's not exactly correct but at work not at home so can't exactly quote

What about mushrooms 🤔

Until Sam starts a race war between them. 😂

@@Longshanks1690 "Where there's a whip, there's a race war" - Sambo Baggins

Orc: Meats back on the menu boys Dunlending: Again Grok? Seriously we've talked about this you can't just eat your allies Orc: Shit sorry Steve won't happen again Dunlending: Huhh it's fine Grok....

Well Orcs and Men had been working together back in the days of Morgoth :) "Elves or Men, became ever harder and more perilous. For as is elsewhere told, Morgoth broke his pledges to the Easterlings that had served him, and he denied to them the rich lands of Beleriand which they had cov­eted, and be drove away these evil folk into Hithlum, and there commanded them to dwell. And though they loved Morgoth no longer, they served him still in fear, and hated all the Elven-folk; and they despised the remnant of the House of Hador (the aged and women and children, for the most part), and they oppressed them, and wedded their women by force, and took their lands and goods, and enslaved their children. Orcs came and went about the land as they would, pursuing the lingering Elves into the fastnesses of the mountains, and taking many captive to the mines of Angband to labour as the thralls of Mor­goth." ... "Thus it came to pass that the Elves forsook the caves of Androth, and Tuor went with them. But their enemies kept watch upon their dwellings, and were soon aware of their march; and they had not gone far from the hills into the plain before they were assailed by a great force of Orcs and Easterlings, and they were scattered far and wide, fleeing into the gathering night." Tuor who spend three years as a slave to Easterling chieftain Lorgan, apparently had enough time in slavery to learn orc tongue so the cooperation between those must have been quite regular: "But Tuor held on. He had learned enough of the tongue of the Orcs in his captivity to know the meaning of those cries: the watchers had scented them and heard ..."

Yes, they were!

In the books the idea of a orc age wasn't mentioned much.

They were given the cleanup and rebuilding tasks in return for their lives, and (?) clemency was granted in exchange for fealty I think.

LOL oh please don't. I knew someone would make this comment 😂 Thanks for the support! I think MERP was not far off in those cultural references.

@@MenoftheWest IIRC the Dunlending sourcebooks cover is pretty much taken from/inspired by Osprey Men-at-Arms Celts book. Chariot riding nobles and stuff.

@@Taistelukalkkuna I'm using that book in my current Middle Earth Pathfinder campaign.

I can see myself as one of those "out-of-place" people very easily. I even have a story idea about a mixed-blooded soldier in Aragorn's forces, and the struggle he has for respect both during and after the conflict, even from Rohirrim who fought at his side.

@@TheSaneHatter It's actually noted that some of the indigenous people from before Númenorean settlement still live in South Gondor, and are loyal citizens despite their non-Númenorean blood. They're even described as "swarthy".

@@qwertyTRiG Could you point me towards the link/reference? That's great to hear, but I hadn't read it before.

Well Tolkien says as much: Rohirrim had some intermarriages with Dunlendings (Wulf son of Freca being primarily example, he also claimed descent from king of Rohan but also had dunlending blood). "Beyond the Gap the land between Isen and Adorn was nominally part of the realm of Rohan; but though Folcwine had reclaimed it, driving out the Dunlendings that had occupied it, the people that remained were largely of mixed blood, and their loyalty to Edoras was weak: the slaying of their lord, Freca, by King Helm was still remembered. Indeed at this time [the War of the Ring] they were more disposed to side with Saruman, and many of their warriors had joined Saruman's forces.... [Author's note.]" Unfinished Tales, Part 3, Ch 5, The Battles of the Fords of Isen: Notes, Note 4 ... The region between Isen and Adorn was declared to be a part of the realm of Eorl at the time of the Oath of Cirion and Eorl.... Unfinished Tales, Part 3, Ch 5, The Battles of the Fords of Isen: Notes, Note 4 ... "The Uruks... were driving [the Riders] towards the now hostile country of the Dunlendish "west-march." Unfinished Tales, Part 3, Ch 5, The Battles of the Fords of Isen Before Rohan was founded Calenardhon region had also many numenorean inhabitants, while Dunlendings were merely colonizing the land that Dunedain were withdrawing from: "Calenardhon, never densely populated had been devastated by the Dark Plague of 1636, and thereafter steadily denuded of inhabitants of Númenórean descent by migration to Ithilien and lands nearer Anduin. Isengard remained a personal possession of the Stewards, but Orthanc itself became deserted, and eventually it was closed and its keys removed to Minas Tirith. If Beren the Steward considered the Stone at all when he gave these to Saruman, he probably thought that it could be in no safer hands than those of the head of the Council opposed to Sauron." Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri "So it proved. In the reign of King Déor (2699 to 2718) the Ro­hirrim found that to keep a watch on the Fords was not enough. Since neither Rohan nor Gondor gave heed to this far corner of the realm, it was not known until later what had happened there. The line of the Gondorian chieftains of Angrenost had failed, and the command of the fortress passed into the hands of a family of the people. These, as has been said, were already long before of mixed blood, and they were now more friendly disposed to the Dunlendings than to the "wild Northmen" who had usurped the land; with Minas Tirith far away they no longer had any concern. After the death of King Aldor, who had driven out the last of the Dunlendings and even raided their lands in Enedwaith by way of repri­sal, the Dunlendings unmarked by Rohan but with the connivance of Isengard began to filter into northern Westfold again, making settlements in the mountain glens west and east of Isengard and even in the southern eaves of Fangorn. In the reign of Déor they became openly hostile, raiding the herds and studs of the Rohirrim in Westfold. It was soon clear to the Rohirrim that these raiders had mot crossed the Isen either by the Fords or at any point far south of Isengard, for the Fords were guarded. * Déor therefore led an expe­dition northwards, and was met by a host of Dunlendings. These he overcame; but he was dismayed to find that Isengard was also hos­tile. Thinking that he had relieved Isengard of a Dunlendish siege, he sent messengers to its Gates with words of good will, but the Gates were shut upon them and the only answer they got was by bowshot. As was later known, the Dunlendings, having been admitted as friends, had seized the Ring of Isengard, slaying the few survivors of its ancient guards who were not (as were most) willing, to merge with the Dunlendish fold. Déor sent word at once to the Steward in Minas Tirith (at that time, in the year 2710, Egalmoth), but he was unable to send help, and the Dunlendings remained in occupation of Isengard until, reduced by the great famine after the Long Winter (2758-9) they were starved out and capitulated to Fréaláf (afterwards first King of the Second Line). But Déor had no power to storm or besiege Isengard, and for many years the Rohirrim had to keep a strong force of Riders in the north of Westfold; this was maintained until the great invasions of 2758. *" ... "But during the Watchful Peace (from 2063 to 2460) the people of Calenardhon dwindled: the more vigorous, year by year, went east­ward to hold the line of the Anduin; those that remained became rustic and far removed from the concerns of Minas Tirith. The garri­sons of the forts were not renewed, and were left to the care of local hereditary chieftains whose subjects were of more and more mixed blood. For the Dunlendings drifted steadily and unchecked over the Isen. Thus it was, when the attacks on Gondor from the East were renewed, and Orcs and Easterlings overran Calenardhon and be­sieged the forts, which would not have long held out. Then the Ro­hirrim came, and after the victory of Eorl on the Field of Celebrant in the year 2510 his numerous and warlike people with great wealth of horses swept into Calenardhon, driving out or destroying the east­ern invaders. Cirion the Steward gave them possession of Calenard­hon, which was thenceforth called the Riddermark, or in Gondor Rochand (later Rohan). The Rohirrim at once began the settlement of this region, though during the reign of Eorl their eastern bounds along the Emyn Muil and Anduin were still under attack. But under Brego and Aldor the Dunlendings were rooted out again and driven away beyond the Isen, and the Fords of Isen were guarded. Thus the Rohirrim earned the hatred of the Dunlendings, which was not ap­peased until the return of the King, then far off in the future. Whenever the Rohirrim were weak or in trouble the Dunlendings renewed their attacks."

@@TheSaneHatter It's LotR, Book V, Chapter I, as Gandalf and Pippin pass the Rammas Echor. "There dwelt a hardy folk between the mountains and the sea. They were reckoned men of Gondor, yet their blood was mingled, and there were short and swarthy folk among them whose sires came more from the forgotten men who housed in the shadows of the hills in the Dark Years ere the coming of the kings."

... so the Dúnedain would represent the receding Roman Empire, the Dunlendings the unexpectedly left behind Romano-Britons and the Rohirrim the invading Germanic newcomers?

@@Crafty_Spirit pretty much yeah though i would rather see the dunlendings as the scots or the irish that never was taken by the romans.

I think that the history of Númenorean encroachment into Middle-earth really is a commentary on colonialism.

@@qwertyTRiG Possibly, but it may not have been a *conscious* one, as public debate wasn't phrased in those terms yet. Also remember that Numenor's story was modeled directly on the Atlantic legend, which included those elements millennia before.

Truth be told both Dunlendings and Rohirrim are equally guilty, Dunlendings were attacking Rohirrim and Rohirrim were attacking in retaliation. As for the Men of the Mountains who build structures in Dunharrow, those were actually more like related but separate culture, Dunledings themselves are only a portion of the earlier people, Gwathuirim who settled in Dunland highlands, also Men of Bree-land are related to those as well but in the end became separate and friendly with the Dunedain and subjects of the kings of Arnor, the Men of the Mountains most likely also persecuted the Druedain/Woses/Drugs. Men of the Mountains also once made an alliance and had peace with the Dunedain/Numenorean folk but they betrayed Isildur. "Calenardhon, never densely populated had been devastated by the Dark Plague of 1636, and thereafter steadily denuded of inhabitants of Númenórean descent by migration to Ithilien and lands nearer Anduin. Isengard remained a personal possession of the Stewards, but Orthanc itself became deserted, and eventually it was closed and its keys removed to Minas Tirith. If Beren the Steward considered the Stone at all when he gave these to Saruman, he probably thought that it could be in no safer hands than those of the head of the Council opposed to Sauron." Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri "So it proved. In the reign of King Déor (2699 to 2718) the Ro­hirrim found that to keep a watch on the Fords was not enough. Since neither Rohan nor Gondor gave heed to this far corner of the realm, it was not known until later what had happened there. The line of the Gondorian chieftains of Angrenost had failed, and the command of the fortress passed into the hands of a family of the people. These, as has been said, were already long before of mixed blood, and they were now more friendly disposed to the Dunlendings than to the "wild Northmen" who had usurped the land; with Minas Tirith far away they no longer had any concern. After the death of King Aldor, who had driven out the last of the Dunlendings and even raided their lands in Enedwaith by way of repri­sal, the Dunlendings unmarked by Rohan but with the connivance of Isengard began to filter into northern Westfold again, making settlements in the mountain glens west and east of Isengard and even in the southern eaves of Fangorn. In the reign of Déor they became openly hostile, raiding the herds and studs of the Rohirrim in Westfold. It was soon clear to the Rohirrim that these raiders had mot crossed the Isen either by the Fords or at any point far south of Isengard, for the Fords were guarded. * Déor therefore led an expe­dition northwards, and was met by a host of Dunlendings. These he overcame; but he was dismayed to find that Isengard was also hos­tile. Thinking that he had relieved Isengard of a Dunlendish siege, he sent messengers to its Gates with words of good will, but the Gates were shut upon them and the only answer they got was by bowshot. As was later known, the Dunlendings, having been admitted as friends, had seized the Ring of Isengard, slaying the few survivors of its ancient guards who were not (as were most) willing, to merge with the Dunlendish fold. Déor sent word at once to the Steward in Minas Tirith (at that time, in the year 2710, Egalmoth), but he was unable to send help, and the Dunlendings remained in occupation of Isengard until, reduced by the great famine after the Long Winter (2758-9) they were starved out and capitulated to Fréaláf (afterwards first King of the Second Line). But Déor had no power to storm or besiege Isengard, and for many years the Rohirrim had to keep a strong force of Riders in the north of Westfold; this was maintained until the great invasions of 2758. *" ... "But during the Watchful Peace (from 2063 to 2460) the people of Calenardhon dwindled: the more vigorous, year by year, went east­ward to hold the line of the Anduin; those that remained became rustic and far removed from the concerns of Minas Tirith. The garri­sons of the forts were not renewed, and were left to the care of local hereditary chieftains whose subjects were of more and more mixed blood. For the Dunlendings drifted steadily and unchecked over the Isen. Thus it was, when the attacks on Gondor from the East were renewed, and Orcs and Easterlings overran Calenardhon and be­sieged the forts, which would not have long held out. Then the Ro­hirrim came, and after the victory of Eorl on the Field of Celebrant in the year 2510 his numerous and warlike people with great wealth of horses swept into Calenardhon, driving out or destroying the east­ern invaders. Cirion the Steward gave them possession of Calenard­hon, which was thenceforth called the Riddermark, or in Gondor Rochand (later Rohan). The Rohirrim at once began the settlement of this region, though during the reign of Eorl their eastern bounds along the Emyn Muil and Anduin were still under attack. But under Brego and Aldor the Dunlendings were rooted out again and driven away beyond the Isen, and the Fords of Isen were guarded. Thus the Rohirrim earned the hatred of the Dunlendings, which was not ap­peased until the return of the King, then far off in the future. Whenever the Rohirrim were weak or in trouble the Dunlendings renewed their attacks." ... "Alien, too, or only remotely akin, was the language of the Dunlendings. These were a remnant of the peoples that had dwelt in the vales of the White Mountains in ages past. The Dead Men of Dunharrow were of their kin. But in the Dark Years others had removed to the southern dales of the Misty Mountains; and thence some had passed into the empty lands as far north as the Barrow-downs. From them came the Men of Bree; but long before these had become subjects of the North Kingdom of Arnor and had taken up the Westron tongue. Only in Dunland did Men of this race hold to their old speech and manners: a secret folk, unfriendly to the Dunedain, hating the Rohirrim." In the end it's all part of long cycle, ancestors of the Men of the White Mountains persecuted the Druedain: "[Historians] in Gondor believed that the first Men to cross the Anduin were indeed the Drúedain. They came (it was believed) from lands south of Mordor, but before they reached the coasts of Harad they turned north into Ithilien, and eventually finding a way across the Anduin (probably near Cair Andros) settled in the vales of the White Mountains and the wooded lands at their northern feet. "They were a secretive people, suspicions of other kinds of Men [by] whom they had been harried and persecuted as long as they could remember, and they had wandered west seeking a land where the could be hidden and have peace." Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 1, The Drúedain: Further Notes on the Drúedain ... "did not cross the Isen nor take refuge in the great promontory between Isen and Lefnui that formed the north arm of the Bay of Belfalas, because of the "Púkel-men," who were a secret and fell people, tireless and silent hunters, using poisoned darts. They said that they had always been there, and had former lived also in the White Mountains. In ages past they had paid no heed to the Great Dark One (Morgoth), nor did they later ally themselves with Sauron; for they hated all invaders from the East. From the East, they said, had come the tall Men who drove them from the White Mountains, and they were wicked at heart. Maybe even in the days of the War of the Ring some of the Drû-folk lingered in the mountains of Andrast, the western outlier of the White Mountains, but only the remnant in tin woods of Anórien were known to the people of Gondor. Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 1, The Drúedain: Further Notes on the Drúedain

@@fantasywind3923 So the Rohirrim were like Rome's Foederati, granted land in a tenuously controlled border region by a distant emperor, and not 17th century colonists.

@@ingold1470 more or less, yeah, additionally one can find a parallel between them and the Varangian guard of the Byzantine turned into a 'realm' of their own (Tolkien once even stated that Minas Tirith is a Byzantine city, Rohirrim are also part of the Northmen of Rhovanion who are culturally pretty much like real world Norsemen/viking-like warriors :)). In any case initially Calenardhon had some Numenorean/Gondorian inhabitants as part of the province of the kingdom on the fringes of it, they received this land in a grant by Ruling Steward Cirion etc.

Yes please!

Ulmo... never forgot Middle Earth like his co-rulers.

@@tieroller Honestly, he has more story than Tulkas does

How everywhere feels when mega corporations slurp up everything worse than robber barons of a century ago. Not just the physical but the byproducts and data. You are a number to them and it has a currency sign on front of it.

To be honest I get the impression that one of the reasons Tolkien created the dunlendings was actually to show that as all good versus all evil it wasn’t so clean cut, after all with how they were treated they had every right to be angry. I think we’re meant to sympathise with them a bit like the Haradrim and Easterlings

Theyre not evil. They took the side of an evil wizard, but theyre not "evil" on an individual level. They happened to be enemies of Rohan, but warring peoples is a part of regular human life even in middle earth.

They're actually mentioned as being not exceptionally wicked but grim in the two towers if I recall correctly.

​@@isitnotwrittenthat1680 I mean can you really blame them? They got forced out of their lands and are hunted by the Rohirrim (though I'd imagine this is more tit for tat attacks than actual malicious extermination.) The dunlendings probably knew on some level Saruman was evil; they just had no other choice.

@@rhorynotmylastname7781 that's basically my point albeit expanded. They'd no fondness for orcs and wargs, but no desire to fail at joining an assault on rohan with the oathbreaker

Oh that is very interesting, something I haven’t considered!

@@MenoftheWest Thank you for your video and your consideration. I have heard other Tolkien lore videos suggest this too, I also find it rather odd that the very exotic Easterlings of Rhun could have been able to travel so far in that time and still be of kin to the Haleth. I feel these Easterlings are more a kin to the men the Edain had fled from in the 1st Age, that had already been swayed by Morgoth. It should also be noted that some of the 1st Age "Easterlings" remained loyal to the Elves and Edain, which I don't think would have been possible from the men of Rhun.

I'm forced to disagree: I've always imagined the Easterlings of the First Age as being vaguely Asiatic. I'd put down the similarities in names to a lack of imagination, as Tolkien knew Asian cultures far less than European ones. I have thought that the Dunlendings could easily be related to the folk of Bereg, who chose not to get involved in the War of the Jewels and turned back across the mountains.

@@melkhiordarkfell4354 What are some good lore channels?

@@counterspellgoon6854 I recommend Civilization EX, his lore videos use labelled maps and little animated characters moving across the map to better explain the events.

Thanks for the love Elizabeth, it is returned right back to you! The fact that you watch is support enough, and any donations beyond are icing on the cake! Please hang in there, there is a hope beyond all dread and problems, my friend!

dunlendings are related to the house of haladin

Dunlending dude: “This has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever”.

Could I get a shout out on the next video

Sweaty rumours or sweet rumours? 😁

Númenoreans: We can't hear you over all these boats.

@@MenoftheWest I always wondered what Ar-Pharazon's massive ship would look like. It was described as being like a castle in the sea. I have not seen any drawings or paintings of it.

Do you have a flag? No flag no country!

Numenoreans: We'll call that Arnor and that Gondor. Look at all the open land! Dunlanders: We call that the cold north and that place is where we live. Oh, and the Duredain live in those lands. Numenoreans: Open land and now it's all ours! Dunlanders: ....um. no. We liv... Numenoreans: hey barbarians, submit to our rule or face our blades! Dunlanders: And they wonder why we don't like visitors.

@@shadowofchaos8932 hehe this reminds me of Tal-Elmar story: "Base and unlovely thou namest us. Truly, maybe. Yet true is it also that thy folk are cruel, and lawless, and the friends of demons. Thieves are they. For our lands are ours from of old, which they would wrest from us with their bitter blades. White skins and bright eyes are no warrant for such deeds.' 'Are they not?' said she. 'Then neither are thick legs and wide shoulders. Or by what means did ye gain these lands that ye boast of? Are there not, as I hear men say, wild folk in the caves of the mountains, who once roamed here free, ere ye swart folk came hither and hunted them like wolves?"

That is a really great question, I pondered the same thing. I think they had more relation to them than the Men of Gondor did, but were still quite removed. The Drúedain were also related to the Men of Haleth I believe.

So did the dunlandings originate for the men of the three houses?

@@MenoftheWest The Woses and the Haladin *were* known to live at close quarters to each other, and got along fairly well. And I often wondered whether the Dunlendings were united in one cause as a people anyway, lacking any king that we know of, so having some on the "right" side is not unreasonable to me.

I think that more likely ancestors of the Dunlendings and Druedain drifted apart, Haladin were once close with the Drugs/Druedain, but in the mortal lands of Middle-earth after countless generations such friendships could wane and over time become forgotten, it seems the Gwathuirim (who we can say are true predecessors of the Dunlendings of Third Age) were rather fearful of the Druedain and the Druedain in turn wanted to hide being persecuted by other kinds of men for long: "The fellings had at first been along both banks of the Gwathló, and timber had been floated down to the haven (Lond Daer); but now the Númenóreans drove great tracks and roads into the forests northwards and south­wards from the Gwathló, and the native folk that survived fled from Minhiriath into the dark woods of the great Cape of Eryn Vorn, south of the mouth of the Baranduin, which they dared not cross, even if they could, for fear of the Elvenfolk. From Enedwaith they took refuge in the eastern mountains where afterwards was Dunland; they did not cross the Isen nor take refuge in the great prom­ontory between Isen and Lefnui that formed the north arm of the Bay of Belfalas [Ras Morthil or Andrast: see p. 224, note 6, because of the "Púkel-men".... [For the continuation of this passage see p. 400.]" Pukel-men is of course other term of the Druedain (also known as Woses or Drugs) so it seems the Gwathuirim feared the Woses of Druwaith Iaur: The "Púkel-men" occupied the White Mountains (on both sides) in the First Age. When the occupation of the coastlands by the Númenóreans began in the Second Age they survived in the mountains of the promontory [of Andrast], which was never occupied by the Númenóreans. Another remnant survived at the eastern end of the range [in Anórien]. At the end of the Third Age the latter, much reduced in numbers, were believed to be the only survivors; hence the other region was called "the Old Púkel-wilderness" (Drúwaith Iaur). It remained a "wilderness" and was not inhabited by Men of Gondor or of Rohan, and was seldom entered by any of them; but Men of the Anfalas believed that some of the old "Wild Men" still lived there secretly. Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 1, The Drúedain: Further Notes on the Drúedain ... [Historians] in Gondor believed that the first Men to cross the Anduin were indeed the Drúedain. They came (it was believed) from lands south of Mordor, but before they reached the coasts of Harad they turned north into Ithilien, and eventually finding a way across the Anduin (probably near Cair Andros) settled in the vales of the White Mountains and the wooded lands at their northern feet. "They were a secretive people, suspicions of other kinds of Men [by] whom they had been harried and persecuted as long as they could remember, and they had wandered west seeking a land where the could be hidden and have peace." Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 1, The Drúedain: Further Notes on the Drúedain ... "did not cross the Isen nor take refuge in the great promontory between Isen and Lefnui that formed the north arm of the Bay of Belfalas, because of the "Púkel-men," who were a secret and fell people, tireless and silent hunters, using poisoned darts. They said that they had always been there, and had former lived also in the White Mountains. In ages past they had paid no heed to the Great Dark One (Morgoth), nor did they later ally themselves with Sauron; for they hated all invaders from the East. From the East, they said, had come the tall Men who drove them from the White Mountains, and they were wicked at heart. Maybe even in the days of the War of the Ring some of the Drû-folk lingered in the mountains of Andrast, the western outlier of the White Mountains, but only the remnant in tin woods of Anórien were known to the people of Gondor. Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 1, The Drúedain: Further Notes on the Drúedain

@@fantasywind3923 Thank you for posting these extensive quotes 👌🏼

I think if Saruman hadnt revealed himself to Ganfalf he would have had the ring when the company passed by Isenguard. I also think when a fully powered wizard he could have convinced the Dunlendings of anything he liked with his powerful voice.

The Ones who aceppted Agriculture over Raiding were to be Settled in the Shire.

I think that's accurate! From what I can tell, they were indeed Middle Men, the Men of Twilight, as the Dúnedain called such folk. They were more native to Middle-earth, and especially those lands of Eriador and Gondor than were the Dúnedain, for they had dwelt there even in the Second and First Ages.

@@MenoftheWest just an observation from a native American point of view. Lol.

@@shadowofchaos8932 that was my first thought watching this

so, middle earth basically are mirrored version of our real world then

True tho. Why are Dunlendings always looked upon as evil or at least second-class inhabitants of Arda? They are not evil, they just want to live in peace and no one respects them. Why?

I thought the same exact thing!

I think so. Although Gondor "awarded" the Rohirrim that land to live in, apparently ignoring that there were already people living there. I would like to hope that after Sauron was defeated and Aragorn became king of Gondor, restorative efforts were made to the Dunlendings and other peoples that the Numenoreans had wronged, such as the Haradrim. Part of the reason Sauron was able to get the Easterlings and Haradrim on his side was by taking advantage of their history of resentment against the Numenoreans. (And Saruman did the same with the Dunlendings' resentment against Rohan.) I do not know if Tolkien intended it, but I feel there's a moral lesson here...

Hey Andrew! I think it will be for a while, I’ve had more time on my hands recently!

@@MenoftheWest I like that in the 'Horse-Lords of Rohan' supplement for The One Ring RPG, Dunlendings were made an Heroic Culture allowing for Dunlending heroes.

"natives"

I'm not so sure. It depends on the timing. If we're talking about Numenor when they were more faithful-leaning and generous, be it as traders or colonizers, then I could see them getting on well with the Dunlandings. If we're talking the "King's Men" era, I imagine it would be like most instances of colonizers/conquerors dealing with natives in our own history going back to the bronze age. And if it was the Numenorians by the time of Sauron's imprisonment and later promotion, then interacting with them could mean being hunted and used for a human sacrifice. Honestly, while I normally wouldn't advise this, running and hiding was probably for the best in they're case, though I imagine they at least tried to fight back a few times.

Good question! Easterlings for sure, they had more factions and ingenuity in battle than did the Dunlendings.

@Men of the West plus steppe horsemen vs celtic tribesmen History has shown what would happen