The EK Gamers Nexus Drama is Wild

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The EK Gamers Nexus Drama is Wild
Gamers Nexus just released a video titled: (EK is Imploding: Not Paying Employees, Partners, & Suppliers | Investigative Report). In this video Steve from Gamers Nexus exposes major issues happening at EKWB. Many of these alleged reports are almost unbelievable, and point to a company which likely won't be around much longer if the information revealed in the video turns out to all be true. Not only that, but the entire water cooling space could be in big trouble due to lack of interest and exorbitant costs.
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@miljanvideo 26 күн бұрын

I'm from Serbia, and we have a saying that when something becomes very popular in the Balkans, it means that it fell off in the west 😂😂😂

@tsbrand1 26 күн бұрын

If they're reporting to the IRS that they paid the employee and didn't, it's a federal offense.

@Purpledrank39 26 күн бұрын

I saw Gamer's Nexus video about EK a day ago. I just saw Jayz2Cents video just now. Things is really bad for EK

@shadowr2d2 26 күн бұрын

I have seen Jay-Two-Cent. Now watching 👀 this one. My next video 🎥 will be Gamers Nexus. You have to pay your employees 😮. How can you run a business 🏭.

@_A.d.G_ 25 күн бұрын

Custom water cooling is a dumb idea. Everything should be modular to work. Click and go.

@halrichard1969 26 күн бұрын

I shopped them a year ago when I was building a new PC. Pretty good stuff if you like feeling ripped off. No I dont have EK stuff on my PC.

@jamegumb7298 26 күн бұрын

They outsource the actual manufacturing. This means they need MOQ. This can save money or cost you. For GPU blocks this likely costs them (very niche low sale item) and for good selling items it costs them (connectors, cpu blocks). I wonder if they have engineers in staff that draw out the parts for them in CAD, outsourcing those is very expensive. If they were to do it in-house they need the sakes to justify it. And then it would be lower total cost.

@ziggybombers1563 26 күн бұрын

Why do people think the pump in a custom water loop is loud. I’ve been water cooling for over 20 years and never had a pump that was noisy. I use a D5 pump these days it’s so quiet that the only way I know it’s on is 1 feel the pump or 2 look at my flow meter. Yes it’s more money but my 4090 when running at full load was not the quietest of things on air. And if you think your temps are going to beat a water block then you got your head in the clouds. Run 3D mark and try to get one of the achievements that’s 55C and below on the GPU. So please stop telling people that the damn pump is noisy.

@CrazyTechLab 25 күн бұрын

Sounds to me like he has never tuned a loop properly and runs pumps at full speed which is pointless. I'd argue watercooling your GPU is even more worth it than the CPU and has been for a long time.

@legion3343 25 күн бұрын

Watercooling my 4090 means I don't have a huge 4 slot card taking up most of the case runs way cooler and I never heard fans running since the speeds are so low. I've no clue what this guy is doing with his loops xD Additionally spending 1600 euro on a gpu and then an additional 150-200 euro on a waterblock is nothing at those price levels.

@CrazyTechLab 25 күн бұрын

@@legion3343 Completely agree. It's not for everyone not least of all because of the price but there are still huge benefits, especially with high-end GPUs and that's aside from the fact the PC looks awesome.

@GSP-76 23 күн бұрын

I have two D5 pumps in my loop and they're whisper quiet... maybe the complainers are using DDC pumps which are much louder.

@MistyKathrine 26 күн бұрын

Yeah, custom water cooling always seemed like too much of a pain in the ass to be worth it, especially when you can just get an AIO for your CPU which pretty much gives you all of the same benefits while being much easier to maintain.

@jamegumb7298 26 күн бұрын

Not really. But I don't use a reservoir. Also not on GPU, those blocks are a pain and routing it that far in a 2U case is a pain. Also AIO will not fit everything at all times.

@joanhernandezciriza3797 25 күн бұрын

It is not the same. Pump noise is waaaaaaay less on custom cooling and the quality of the whole loop is on another level. I’ve had a couple of AIOs fail on me from the best brands. I have been running a D5 pump for 10 years feeding 2 radiators relentlessly without a single problem. It’s ridiculous how some are trying to put water cooling downs cause they either don’t have the money or the patience to build a proper loop

@MistyKathrine 25 күн бұрын

@@joanhernandezciriza3797 The money isn't an issue for me, I like the appearance of custom but setting it up and the upkeep are a pain in the ass. My AIO is really quiet, I never hear it and it keeps my CPU well below max.

@paolo9038 25 күн бұрын

Crazy how people buy 300-3000USD custom keyboards like is nothing, and then when someone buys a custom loop which has similar if not lower price tags is something "unnecessary" or "pretty much the same thing of an AIO" @joanhernandezciriza3797 I agree with everything you say, also custom loop are the best. they look so good, and they cool so much, that is worth the money. Only cons are price and patiente to build them (except if you use soft tubing)

@rgstroud 24 күн бұрын

Its really a pride thing for successful custom loops. Its not necessary to do the job but look what I did sort of thing.

@UltimateByte 25 күн бұрын

My main rig is on a custom water loop made with EK stuff. Built during the pandemic because I had time and unspent money. I can tell EK pricing only went up since then, and it had already gone up from before. Especially GPU and CPU waterblock as well as pumps, to me it's now +50% to +100% of previous pricings. That explains the loss of interest for most passionate people. WC is already kind of hard to plan and build properly, and expensive. Make it twice as expensive, and it becomes half attractive. EK likely made poor decisions about the manufacturing and designs, with too many variation, which eventually lead to problems we can see now. If EK dies, that is no the end of custom watercooling, Alphacool and other ones will happily take their place, hopefully in a more affoardable way and with a more successful approach.

@gwjones82009 14 күн бұрын

I believe that custom water cooling parts will be subsets of larger, more diversified companies, where it's more of a Halo product, and to draw eyes to the brands, and less about making money. this will also force those products into being higher priced and more unobtainable, but the companies won't be forced to rely on those products to sell in order to stay afloat. the biggest problem EK had was that they didn't produce a Low volume, high cost item to get people talking and then sell a high profit, low cost variant that drove sales.

@jdogos 21 күн бұрын

I was a customer of EKWB, first with fluid gaming series then (my big costly mistake) upgraded to copper and hardtubing. While fluid gaming components proved extremely reliable the opposite happened with copper blocks. After one year of use i faced gpu leaks from the fittings block on the o-rings to the main gpu block. Shame it was a bad and costly mistake...

@malcolmjelani3588 12 күн бұрын

Just because you can build a fancy computer doesn't mean you can run a business.

@fidelj3025 18 күн бұрын

I don't see custom watercooling going down and out. There's still Alpha Cool, Bysksi

@TheHammerGuy94 17 күн бұрын

and maybe corsair. From what I know, they are the biggest company for AiOs. they only recently started making waterblocks and stuff.

@peateargriffen36 25 күн бұрын

I've had a EK 360 aio for two years, its worked great so far. I did notice thier prices increased significantly since I bought mine.

@marsaustralis6881 25 күн бұрын

Considering how PC parts seem to be getting hotter and bigger (usually from having a bigger cooler strapped to a GPU going from 3s to 4s) in order to eke out more performance, there's still going to be a niche for watercooling, even if it's only to watercool the GPU while leaving the CPU on aircooling (unless it's Intel, then an AIO works). But otherwise, gone are the days where liquid cooling was the only answer for hot parts, now that plenty of good air coolers can get close to an AIO (and extension, custom liquid cooling) in performance, only losing out in extended high load endurance (still takes longer to heat soak liquid than finstacks).

@Hullbreachdetected 7 күн бұрын

Sure, tell that to GPUs taking up 4 slots already to cope with heat convection. More energy used over the same surface area will always mean more heat. There is a limit to air cooling capability and feasibility. Once the cooler reaches certain dimensions to cope with heat convection, is when water cooling becomes necessary. However, air cooling is quite capable as long as crazy overclocking or high wattage limits aren't involved. Problem is manufacturers often overlimit their hardware to bring out a little more performance which then makes them run hot. For that 10% increase in performance the hardware will require another 30-50% power. If manufacuters would instead keep wattage at a good performance to wattage and heat generation ratio, air cooling would be sufficient for pretty much everything.

@justmatt2655 23 күн бұрын

GN can't stop getting into beef with larger companies 😂

@kerolokerokerolo 22 күн бұрын

as long as they keep provind the recipes... I'd say they are doing a great job :)

@rgstroud 25 күн бұрын

I Don't think all custom water cooling is done. Corsair has water cooling as only part of it's line. They are doing fine.

@TheFIghtin 25 күн бұрын

They're doing fine....that you know of

@shadowr2d2 26 күн бұрын

I have seen Jay-Two-Cent. Now watching 👀 this one. My next video 🎥 will be Gamers Nexus. You have to pay your employees 😮. How can you run a business 🏭.

@garethblundell765 25 күн бұрын

First let me say that custom loops have never been sensible financially from a performance point of view but those of us that do it do it because we can and we love it. It's like ppl who like to supe up their cars they spend thousands pimping it up, the car still worked as a car before they pimped it up and the better performance/aesthetic they get doesn't warrant the expense but ppl love to do it anyway. Second if your air cooled system any air cooled system from the past or present is quieter than the custom loop systems pump that you also built you did something seriously wrong you either mounted the pump wrong, ran it at 100% unnecessarily or just had crap fans. Thirdly EK made great gpu blocks the best hands down sp for that reason I'm sorry what's happened but I agree what they've done to employees is unforgivable. Anyway nice content 😊

@NickyNiclas 26 күн бұрын

I have a little desktop CNC so I'll probably start milling my own blocks since it makes such a huge difference on GPU temps. The cost of liquid cooling and the fact that air coolers are performing so well these days makes it very hard to justify for CPU cooling anymore.

@GSP-76 23 күн бұрын

I have yet to see anyone mill out a water block that works great. I'm hoping more people do it though. It's worth it if you have the tools and software. That's how Iceman created his direct die monster cooler that destroyed every block on the commercial market and he sold it for like $80.

@NickyNiclas 23 күн бұрын

@@GSP-76 Yeah I just need to figure out how to cut the small fins, thinking about stacking and spacing some tiny sawblades. As for the design ideas, I can just copy what's proven to work well :)

@GSP-76 23 күн бұрын

@@NickyNiclas Good luck!

@justinchin0 18 күн бұрын

Ek really dropped the ball. They should have tooled up years ago and should be able to manufacture parts them self so they would be able to control most of their supply chain. Been a pc enthusiast for years but always found custom water colling was way to complicated. Even aio's I have had a few failures but still stick with it for my cpu.

@CrazyTechLab 25 күн бұрын

Rubbish about noise and GPUs. If your pump is louder you're running it a full speed, which you should NEVER DO either with DDC or D5 pumps. First thing you should do is cut them back to 30-50% speed where they're pretty much silent and there's zero impact on cooling. And in games, pretty much any GPU is going to be louder than a properly tuned WC loop. I've got a 4070 Ti Super triple fan on my desk right now and spins up noticeably in games.

@zackschwenzer4892 26 күн бұрын

Water cooling will probably die off for a long time before making a comeback in some way. Maybe two years ago now I was doing research on water cooling and wanted to build a little set up. But it was vastly cheaper to just leave everything air cooled and I don't have temp issues. The noise? Well tinnitus is louder than my fans most days.

@TheFIghtin 25 күн бұрын

People have been saying this for over a decade. They've been saying it for 4 years since Covid. It's still here with plenty of options in brands and affordability, and isn't going anywhere.

@nsuinteger-au 24 күн бұрын

EK needs to go down... period! It's astonishing how many people stand by their products even though they cost an arm and a leg and they do not even offer much advantage over back to basics air cooling system. I would never go beyond a small well built and priced AIO. That's where arctic liquid freezer comes in :)

@Solus793 26 күн бұрын

EKs business model is unsustainable. Nobody really seems cares about custom watercooling any more, there are hardly any customers for their INSANELY overpriced products in this market. The watercooling kits are costing more than the CPUs they are cooling and are hardly better than a good Noctua air cooler but with countless things to go wrong!

@TheFIghtin 25 күн бұрын

You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.

@Solus793 25 күн бұрын

Considering I've been into custom water-cooling since 2006 and even experimented with my own DIY Peltier effect TEC coolers and have a professional background in the IT industry I very much do have a clue what I am talking about. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. EKs products are VERY niche, this is not a good business. Terrible margins, no customers, totally insane prices. If someone like me doesn't care about custom water-cooling their PC when I was doing it nearly 20 years ago, who the hell is today? If anyone is clueless it is yourself!

@TheFIghtin 25 күн бұрын

A bykski waterblock performs better than a Noctua cooler....and it's not "marginal". You posted no factual evidence on this "No one cares about custom watercooling anymore" Yet the numerous other companies besides EK are still making new products. It's a niche segment of course. But because you stopped doing it doesn't mean everyone else did. Your OPINION is without merit. "Countless things to go wrong!" These parts don't just spontaneously explode. They just don't mythically Crack in half and leak. The pumps are more reliable than an average shit case fan. The biggest failure is o-rings and adapter fittings. You act like assembling a loop is some daunting task. It's not, and you acting like it is points to you never doing it. I don't give a crap about your credentials, or your opinions which you arrogantly think are facts. You're full of it.

@Solus793 25 күн бұрын

You must be autistic or living in a fantasy world if you think that custom loop water-cooling is in any way relevant to the overwhelming majority of PC users in 2024 (and even to most enthusiasts). Spending hundreds on a full custom loop to get a few C off of your GPU/CPU temps is only something a TINY fringe community cares about. Air cooling is more than sufficient to run the best hardware within spec. For the people who want more, the majority of those buy AIOs not custom loops. What a sad life you must have if you think that putting a custom loop together is a badge of honour.

@GSP-76 23 күн бұрын

If you don't have any education on the subject, it's best to keep your mouth shut.

@GSP-76 23 күн бұрын

Buy Bitspower, Bykski or Barrow...plenty of alternatives out there.

@TheHammerGuy94 17 күн бұрын

or maybe alphacool.

@GSP-76 17 күн бұрын

@@TheHammerGuy94 Alphacool has been very impressive lately. My current build has their 4090 GPU block and it out performed the EK and Phanteks blocks by a mile. One of the best GPU blocks I've had in a long time.

@antong3987 24 күн бұрын

L M A O ... I want my 3 minutes back. ( that's all I could tolerate before busting out in laughter )

@BOLDBANGER 25 күн бұрын

i got a $100 EK 360 rgb aio and I thought it was a good deal. custom water cooling sounds cool but too tedious.

@TheFIghtin 25 күн бұрын

It's jot at all..EXCEPT for gpu blocks. The rest is quite a breeze.

@AndrewSmith-fv1kr 14 күн бұрын

FIRE SALE INBOUND!

@YAAMW 19 күн бұрын

Making a video about a shady company and choosing a shady sponsor 😂😂. Good match

@dlheiland 26 күн бұрын

I water cool for absolute silence.

@paolo9038 25 күн бұрын

not because it looks great as well?

@charlesballiet7074 25 күн бұрын

i cant wait till EK pattients expire and we can see real competition in the market again

@ahmednofal3865 25 күн бұрын

thanks

@tauhid.dreamer 26 күн бұрын

Very few people actually buy them who have passion and money. In my observation, even more than 99% of High End PC owners don't use water cooling. And after the pandemic inflation people seem to be more aware of their money spending. This is gonna be a tough one to survive.

@youandiryan 26 күн бұрын

My system is liquid cooled. But I'm not running EK stuff. Far too expensive. I'm just running generic cooler master AIO. And it has been working outstanding. I can't justify spending up to hundreds of dollars for what just for a single part from EK. Looks like a lot of other people think the same way too.

@BType13X2 26 күн бұрын

I went from custom water cooling to AIO's for a decade, I just went back to custom cause I wanted to try it again. That being said there are very small tangible gains for an AIO above custom watercooling loops that justify the hassle. And most of the mid to high end builds I see use AIO's rather than big air.

@youandiryan 26 күн бұрын

@@BType13X2 yeah AIO is pretty much the only way to go, at least for me. Most mid to high-end systems like you said are AIO. I observe the same thing. With my AIO I don't ever see my CPU temperatures go above 65. Maybe the very highest like 68-70. At idle with my cooler master 360 I am sitting around 26°. And under normal work conditions it's about like 39. Gaming it will hit like 68 or 70. It stays really really cool.

@GSP-76 23 күн бұрын

@@youandiryanWell that depends on what you consider high end. Many judge that simply by the CPU and GPU you use. Others define it to include the case, fans, PSU and cooling. My system has 10 fans in it which alone cost over $300.

@richardwang9315 26 күн бұрын

EKWB is -cooked- *Boiled* , As water can't be burnt 😅 (Insert many water puns here such as: inSOLVENT, LIQUIDITY, UPSTREAM, DownFALL, etc) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Kapono5150 25 күн бұрын

Do you think the GN video did more harm than good good ?

@mikemoore5270 26 күн бұрын

Rip ek. I was a big fan. I know a lot people grumble about the price, but their quality was unmatched.

@whatuptechie6216 26 күн бұрын

It's been awhile since I bought anything from them way way too expensive you can get the same thing for far cheaper and better quality.

@Massimodorich 25 күн бұрын

I always find it a shame when unqualified statements like the one made by this tech KZfaqr are made. It's currently the best time to install a custom water cooling system. An I9 14900KS with an RTX 4090 consumes 800-1000 watts depending on the overclocking. The air coolers are getting bigger and bigger and take up a lot of space, so it's high time to buy a high-quality custom water cooling system. With an adjustable pump, the system is quiet, consumes less power and achieves better clock rates. The main thing is that the moustache looks good.

@setitfree78 26 күн бұрын

Used EKWB in 2 of my builds. The EK Monarch Ram waterblock is still one of my favorite pieces of hardware. Never had any leaks and I'd still use thier gear in the future.

@ardithconley2628 26 күн бұрын

I do not care. I made a see through plastic case led computer back in 2002 and it fell apart that ended all the show stuff. Between the Air and Closed loop colors of today there just is not really a need for them.

@faronfrancis1343 26 күн бұрын

Aios are quite ridiculous. It's hard to justify the cost when it's more than the CPU you're putting it on.

@middleagebrotips3454 26 күн бұрын

Whistleblowing illegal activities is not covered under NDA Custom water cooling is a niche for brownie points, if theres no viable business with it then it is what it is.

@Robinrpv 25 күн бұрын

This reminds me of a witch hunt.

@TheFIghtin 25 күн бұрын

I'm still waiting on concrete proof, but this ain't looking good for them.

@joanhernandezciriza3797 25 күн бұрын

Try running a 14900k on it’s unlocked mode (320 watts) on ANY air cooling solution and tell me if you can prevent it from touching 100 degrees in just a few seconds. The ignorance being displayed here is beyond comprehension

@DrForbin001 26 күн бұрын

whoa

@andreaswalter4291 23 күн бұрын

You ain't in the market! So don't go talkin' 'bout stuff you ain't got a clue about!

@JohnnyEMatos 26 күн бұрын

Love seeing drama about companies I've never seen before

@MastRk 26 күн бұрын

you must be new, they been around forever.

@SSLmnt 25 күн бұрын

the world knows how many more of these videos is there gonna be saying the same shit😂

@bartchelin 26 күн бұрын

Custom watercooling setups wont vanish because they still wrecks all AIOs on cooling performance. They come into their own because a D5 pump is way stronger than any AIO has and exceptionally more reliable. The pump and flow rate alone demolishes transient CPU loading cycles with ease giving much smoother and stable CPU operating environment. Meaning its much better at dealing with heavy overclocked CPU systems. Also having a reservoir and a pump that are both well away from the heat source just makes sense. Why do AIOs put pumps which can get hot themselves ontop of the CPU where the source of heat is, is so dumb. I am a VR gamer and my custom water rig runs super smooth and stable clocks much better than any AIO I had before from corsair, NZXT and EK.

@jamegumb7298 26 күн бұрын

And for my 2U very few AIO will fit and no air cooler will be quiet.

@mikebruzzone9570 26 күн бұрын

@joanhernandezciriza3797 25 күн бұрын

What pain are you talking about?. I have never had a problem with custom loops. The only problem that may come up is if you use hard tubing. If you use soft tubing, you will never have a leak and btw the good thing of a custom loop is that you can use a d5 pump which volume can be reduced immensely to the point that they are more silent than my noctuas nf-a 120s running at 500rpm. It really blows my mind the misinformation that goes around custom water cooling. Damn you could run the loop for years without changing the coolant and it will run like a Swiss clock. If you can’t see the benefits of custom water cooling you just haven’t tried it. What a bunch of nonsense. I’m running a i9 with a 4090 through 3 radiators on a goddamn Lian li air mini. The system is more silent than a ps5 on idle while running at full tilt. Pc gaming is a novelty niche in itself. Do not complain if there are companies offering next level products

@johnyork6446 26 күн бұрын

Wow

@maverick6053 12 күн бұрын

Trying to jump on the drama bandwagon for subs lol, lame

@JDD_Tech_MODS 25 күн бұрын

Click bait bandwagon.

@dc-4ever201 26 күн бұрын

They've always been very expensive and tbh people don't have the money now, besides you don't need a full custom loop when you can use an AIO system. That guy can counter sue them because they broke their contract with him first due to not paying him, he can drag them through the ringer and get more than he is owed, compensation for late payment plus harassment when he got pissed and blew the whistle, though he better get the court to freeze assets as they have a reputation like in Texas of skipping the state leaving unpaid debts. Also law protects whistle blowers, so that NDA is invalidated. Nice try EK but you're screwed now, you can't unring a bell! Should have paid your staff afterall they are the ones who know just how bad shit is in the company.