The End For Tesla’s Megapack?? Introducing CATL’s New ZERO Degradation Energy Storage System!

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4 күн бұрын

Imogen recently visited EES Europe in Munich to see the unveiling of CATL’s new zero degradation storage battery, and also the new Shenxing superfast DC charger which is set to have a huge impact on the growth and availability of rapid chargers for EVs.
The EES exhibition is Europe's biggest Battery and Energy Storage show, and it’s a who’s who of major players in the industry.
As you’ll see we weren’t the only ones interested to see this new technology up close from global leaders CATL.
00:00 Intro
00:48 Introducing TENER & Shenxing
01:29 More Energy Less Space
03:11 EnerA & EnerOne+
04:12 1km range per second
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@geralddavison 4 күн бұрын

The problem with all these BESS solutions in the UK is that they need planning permission. There's one been proposed about 10 miles from me and the NIMBY's are at it again! It'll be mired in planning disputes (and potentially refused) for 10 times as long as it would take to actually build. We are stuffed in the UK with the fundementals for Energy Transition. People don't want Super Grid upgrade pylons, offshore windfarm cable landing stations, windfarm grid connections sites. It's because so much of this is in the countryside. There's a sneaking suspicion that eventually the fossil fuel lobby will start to help fund these local campaign groups to slow down the transition. In China they simply just say "you're having it" so there's no arguement. I am not suggesting I want a one party dictatorship in the UK, far from it. But somehow there has to be a form of overiding "national interest" process on this transition that RAPIDLY overcomes bottlenecks and gets stuff done.

@odds87 4 күн бұрын

I live in a lovely part of Warwickshire, that’s currently being dug up for HS2. It worked for that didn’t it? My local area get zero upsides , yet has to deal with a lot of the downsides, now and in the future.

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 4 күн бұрын

Good point noted by a Brit living in France. The Bordeaux to Paris LGV (high speed line) is 500 km and started building in 2012 the year before we moved here. It was completed in 2017...France is very much a democracy and you know what happens when people don't like what's going on, they protest like mad! But the national needs override local objections, none of this fannying around with parish councils, county councils and all that stuff, they just get on and do it. The UK always seem so worn out and poor when I go back there, terrible pot-holed roads and an embarrassingly poor and expensive rail network

@Rick-vm8bl 4 күн бұрын

Given the planning reforms being planned by Labour (Who lets face it are the next government, lets not get into the politics side of things where people slate one party or another, this isn't the place for that) then things like this will likely become significantly easier to put in place. They seem to be going all in on renewables which can only be a positive thing for projects like this.

@geralddavison 4 күн бұрын

@odds87 feel sorry for you as an individual but sadly there are always some people who will lose out. I wasn't thinking about high-speed rail. But that's another area where China has just made it happen. Nearly 10 years ago I took the line from Beijing to Xian. We need to take on board local suggestions for routing, environmental impact and visual amenity. But then pick the least worst option and get on with it.

@jonevansauthor 4 күн бұрын

@@geralddavison Agreed. You want better planning, taking on board local objections can't be much of a part of it. The entire reason HS2 went over budget was planning applications and the insane revision that councils required. Air vent buildings to look like local barn buildings so they would fit in... you know... behind the trees and because there's not lots of barns that look awful. People were horribly treated during HS2, and the obvious solution to all of those problems and Stonehenge is big tunnels. Just tunnel straight from London to Birmingham. The Victorians would have just got on with it. Could have dug the thing by hand by now. We had an interconnector blocked that was supposed to land around Portsmouth because the Nimbys didn't want their roads dug up. Who cares about the lung disease and people not having enough money to light their houses or cook food when some people might have to take a different route for a few weeks, eh? Also, this is a bipartisan sort of thing - all parties seem to agree the current system doesn't work, so they should all have fixed and should all get in a room like big girls and sort it out. I wish people would stop picking a government/party to blame it on when it's clearly the fault of all of them - they don't want to do the work because they won't get the credit in an election as it'll take years to come to fruition. Also because they're universally lazy sociopaths of course.

@davidbeeston8833 4 күн бұрын

Had the pleasure of visiting the CATL booth at EES Europe too and if these performance levels are indeed true then it's mind blowing. It just shows how far ahead the Chinese battery giants are compared to the ROW!

@patreekotime4578 3 күн бұрын

Well, it helps that they've had control of the patents for LFPs! When the West was asleep at the wheel, China was actually breaking ground. Sadly, alot of the money in the West is going into solid state and other related technologies that will only get more expensive. Which means China will probably end up making all of the important breakthroughs with sodium ion as well. Because they understand that the problem isn't making denser batteries in general, its maker cheaper batteries perform better,

@davidbeeston8833 2 күн бұрын

@@patreekotime4578 true, too much focus on solid state that realistically will only be reserved for luxury high end vehicles eventually whilst China dominate the mass market

@patreekotime4578 2 күн бұрын

@@davidbeeston8833 Solid state *may* have a place in aviation, but I doubt it in the long term. Fire safety is an even bigger issue in airplanes than in cars. I suspect there will have to be a whole new branch of batteries to handle that use case. But for motor vehicles, LFP and sodium ion look like the actual future. The investment bro types love solid state because it requires more expensive metals. But my suspicion is that if the speculators drive prices too high they will squeeze the industry right out of them. Which may be the only way we finally abandon battery tech that relies on them.

@michaelrch 2 күн бұрын

@@patreekotime4578I suspect investors like solid state because higher end products offer higher profit margins. They have likely all but given up on making a good margin on LFP batteries given the lower cost and the dominance by China.

@TheComputerGuyDR 4 күн бұрын

Anyway you slice this information - we are moving forward was this tech and that’s a good thing. Faster we get off reliance of fossil energy the better. 🎉🎉🎉😊

@theunknownunknowns5168 4 күн бұрын

Imogen, this might interest you. Deutsche Welle News Ukraine covered a story on the strategic move to solar+ batteries in Ukraine with a goal of making an "unbreakable power grid" through decentralised generation. National and local governments are incentivising solar uptake for critical infrastructure like hospitals but also highrise apartment buildings to communities to individual homes. Also over 300 grid scale solar farms are being built.

@Nikoo033 2 күн бұрын

Pleased to read this. I did read somewhere that Ukraine is going full on on on-shore wind too. 👍🏻

@urbanstrencan 4 күн бұрын

CATL is coming out with just such amazing technologies, Imogen great video keep up with great work ;)

@Stuart_Johnson_Solutions 3 күн бұрын

I could listen to Imogen talk tech all day!

@GenRicOpekc 4 күн бұрын

This lady will do well delivering the news in Renewables. What a stand out. Obviously very articulate and smart.

@rossadamdixon 4 күн бұрын

Why is everything branded as the end of Tesla?!?! Everything Electric should be better than this!!!

@JeraXO 4 күн бұрын

They need to get that dig into Tesla to get that sweet sweet clickbait.... 🤣🤣

@neilm9400 4 күн бұрын

Totally agree, we aren't 10 years old. I can only assume it feeds the algorithms, but it's really annoying.

@vidsurf88 4 күн бұрын

agree...

@matt45540 4 күн бұрын

Tesla has largely been one of the main installers of large grid scale batteries, it's nice to see competition in the market for them.

@theunknownunknowns5168 4 күн бұрын

Tesla were first movers in this space obviously. Chill TF out and don't get your panties in a twist.

@aufornvic 4 күн бұрын

It's very exciting seeing the problems being solved, one by one, and Imogen, you are doing a wonderful job explaining it all to us. Thankyou.

@DMulabiTalejan 3 күн бұрын

Nice, they shoould make portable solar-charged pack for rural homes. I ithink govts in Africa should partner with CATL to provide rural people with electricity connectivity.

@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 4 күн бұрын

THANKS IMOGENE 🤗 FOR SHARING THE PROGRESS FOR THE FUTURE 👍💚💚💚

@alexfunk2047 4 күн бұрын

Um, isn't Tesla one of CATL's biggest customers? They both win!

@lighthousesaunders7242 2 күн бұрын

Not one of. The biggest.

@AJames-jr8kw 3 күн бұрын

Thank you Imogen for the presentation. Always a pleasure to watch.

@samjohnston4945 3 күн бұрын

CATL are engineering very thoughtful solutions to new tricky problems. Thanks Imogen & team for a great segment.

@M-TRON 4 күн бұрын

Our favourite buzzing 🐝 w/ exciting things to know and see!

@TheOfficialBatteryMan 4 күн бұрын

I like CATL so much I bought a Tesla M3 battery pack containing CATL cells to put in on my house for the ultimate home energy storage 😀😃😅 Although I'm now thinking that container full of batteries hidden in my garden would be the ultimate storage.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

👍😉

@tooltalk 3 күн бұрын

CATL' LFP are in Tesla's entry-level, low-range RWD models. ALl higher Performance, Long Range trims use Panasonic or LG.

@TheOfficialBatteryMan 3 күн бұрын

⁠@@tooltalkthey do indeed. I imagine if the energy density improved we could see LFP in the entire range.

@tooltalk 3 күн бұрын

@@TheOfficialBatteryMan not without density improvement and there are always tradeoffs in cost, performance and durability.

@JGS123WRPTP 4 күн бұрын

Your presentation’s so dam slick! Great video.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Imogen . I don't suppose youve checked the location of the newest CATL factory, (due to start ramping in Q1 2025)? . Its about 1km from the Tesla BESS "Megapactory" due for completion at about the same time... Coincidence??? . I *WONDER* where the cells will be coming from?. . Rather than competing, its almost as though Tesla and CATL are becoming symbiotic? (Great for *BOTH* companies)

@frejaresund3770 4 күн бұрын

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

@dpie4859 4 күн бұрын

What a top notch presenter! Very beautiful, smart and well articulated. ❤

@robhaitch5544 4 күн бұрын

Sounds like a press release, but if it’s as good as the claims and there are no glossed over gotchas, then 🎉🎉🎉

@Damadchef 4 күн бұрын

Everything from this channel seems like a press release.... I'm excited for the content but I wish it was less like an advert

@jonevansauthor 4 күн бұрын

Well, they can't exactly test drive a grid storage device.... :D

@foppo101 4 күн бұрын

Well presented Imogen not easy all very technical.My first EV this year at the age of 75 better late than never.The cars are fine it is the infrastructure the charging bit I try to get my head around Imogen.

@fredhearty1762 4 күн бұрын

Great report!!! We need all of the storage solutions (and charging solutions) and the competition they provide. Who will win? THE PLANET.

@mrmawson2438 3 күн бұрын

Just keeps getting better all the time 🙂 cheers Imogen

@udavster 4 күн бұрын

It's stationary BESS, no one cares about density. Other than that - great news

@robinhood4640 4 күн бұрын

Everyone does care about energy density. Nobody is interested in saving our planet now, with batteries the size of an average fridge, if we might be able to do it in a couple of decades, with batteries slightly smaller than an average fridge. Maybe we should just put everything on hold, until we have batteries small enough to put them in the freezer compartment of a slightly smaller than average fridge?

@garyrooksby 4 күн бұрын

@@robinhood4640 But the technological development is only possible because they're selling the current generation to fund the R&D for the next generation. Putting it all "on hold" will just stop the funding of the development and therefore there won't be any advancement.

@ryuuguu01 4 күн бұрын

There are some use cases for higher-density stationary storage in urban environments. Such as for EV charging stations and buildings on high $/sq. m land. Putting storage inside urban areas that charge at night and discharge during daytime peaks can reduce grid infrastructure upgrades, by reducing the peak transmission capacity needed. For a solar or wind farm in the middle of now where massive flow batteries or pumped hydro are probably better,

@udavster 4 күн бұрын

@@robinhood4640 you clearly don't know what is grid storage, bc the batteries for that are the size of container and it's ok. Because it just f-ing sits there among other batteries on a small plot of land, and the only thing about it that stifles the adoption is cost

@robinhood4640 4 күн бұрын

@@udavster I am on your side. The best you can do, is focus on a specific detail that you feel isn't appropriate to the signification of your comment. Why don't you focus on "stationary BESS", "energy density" and "nobody cares about density", which is exactly the crux of your comment? You might find my comment less indicative of my lack of knowledge, and not post a reply which i find indicative of your character.

@UnwittingSweater 2 күн бұрын

Loving these easy to do videos. Might try this one tomorrow.

@Yanquetino 4 күн бұрын

Very encouraging, Imogen! But wowza… what a crowd. Better you there than me, as I do not like feeling jostled and herded.

@astranc 4 күн бұрын

Size for grid storage is less important than Total cost of ownership. This is really cool but if it's twice the cost.... I would love these batteries more in new electric cars

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Let's just say the largest producer in the market tends to be the most competitive?

@elinys2843 4 күн бұрын

You still think in financial terms. If we want a future for our kids, that mindset has got to change. More so: those who profited from poluting the world, must contribute their fair share, without financial compensation.

@patreekotime4578 3 күн бұрын

LFP is cheaper than NMC. The Chinese ARE thinking about cost.

@mikemellor759 Күн бұрын

Great story - thanks for telling it so well Imogen!

@Sailorman6996 3 күн бұрын

Good idea, not new but sounds much better than competition. I also think Imogen is beautiful ; )

@marktrinidad7650 4 күн бұрын

Just 24 batteries and it can power 6000UK homes in a day!

@patrickmckowen2999 4 күн бұрын

Great vid👍 But most amazing is that bell bottom pants are making a comeback 🤣. Cheers

@kensmith5694 4 күн бұрын

Yes pleats and bell bottoms. Both are style items from the past that used more fabric

@patreekotime4578 3 күн бұрын

More like parachute pants. Probably nice and cool in the summer.

@pf1830 4 күн бұрын

This lady is absolutely refreshing to listen to, and there seems to be a (slow-) reaction to the inevitable shift to Sustainable Energy. To compete with Chinese headstart (After they reacted very energetically!) when ElonMusk warned EVERYBODY what is coming, and made available hundreds of patents (for free!) in electric car manufacturing! Traditional 'Legacy' car makers WILL become history ... Beautiful collector's items!

@leifhietala8074 4 күн бұрын

Buffer batts for high-speed charging are the way forward. Even as it's dumping charge into a vehicle, even as the vehicle is unhooking and moving out, as the new one is moving in and hooking up, the buffer itself is receiving charge at the utility's best rate, making the most of existing infrastructure. And every minute it sits idle with no-one charging, it's just getting higher and higher into its capacity, more able to quickly top up the next vehicle to use it.

@ryuuguu01 4 күн бұрын

It also reduces the size of the hookup to the grid network by allowing charging of the battery at night. Getting larger hookups can add months to years in some areas as upgrades to the grid are needed.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

I've been predicting Tesla would (will) combine at least one Megapack with Charging and Autobidder to maximise efficiency. . CATL obviously sees the same opportunity.

@TheUweRoss 2 күн бұрын

Let's do the math on that "buffer" charger. It has a 96 kWh battery. It can charge a car at up to 480 kW, so it can dump it's entire buffer into a vehicle in as little as 12 minutes. But with only a 40 kW grid connection, it then takes 144 minutes (2.4 hours) to re-fill its buffer. I suppose that's great for a charger that's only used a few times per day, but if there's a line of cars waiting to charge, it's really only a 40 kW charger.

@DeveloperChris 4 күн бұрын

CATL and BYD should be at the forefront of creating massive charging networks around the world. The lack of good reliable charging infrastructure is one of the main reasons EV uptake isn't greater. Perhaps they are running at capacity now and don't see the need, but if they want to supercharge (pun intended) the future they should build more superchargers.

@ianstewart7605 4 күн бұрын

Good, good news!

@rtfazeberdee3519 4 күн бұрын

Its about time that all fast chargers were connected to a battery to reduce grid stress and then the charging company can power their prices.

@callumcurtis15 4 күн бұрын

That and a solar canopy to protect drivers from the elements, consequently helping to charge the battery.

@PistonAvatarGuy 4 күн бұрын

So environmentally friendly!

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 4 күн бұрын

That is already happening to a large extent. I noticed that the array of Tesla chargers near me in Poitiers has a Mega pack next to them sitting behind a security fence. I wouldn't mind betting that they are buying power from EDF overnight at a few cents/kWh and selling it during the day at €0.43/kWh...still cheaper than the competition but with 75% of French power coming from nuclear there are deals to be done if you buy power by the MWh.

@PistonAvatarGuy 4 күн бұрын

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 With the energy in France already being generated using environmentally friendly means, what is the benefit of also adding solar panels and batteries to the system? What is accomplished, outside of adding to the amount of resources being consumed?

@jonevansauthor 4 күн бұрын

@@PistonAvatarGuy what, seriously? They export energy to us mate. They sell us electricity. More electricity is good for them. Plus they benefit the same as anyone from having grid storage because it smooths out the grid and they too buy electricity when they need it. They can fill those batteries up with excess power during peak generation too and use or sell it later as needed. It also helps lessen the severity of power cuts. If the UK doubled it's energy generation, the power would a) be used for industry and things we can't currently afford and b) be sold to other countries for a profit and c) reduce the cost of our own power since we'd no longer be pegged to gas. Yes, there's no point building ten times the storage that you need, but no, there's no major country that has sufficient battery storage yet.

@youxkio 4 күн бұрын

When to research smart grids and the introduction of cold ironing?

@rickwhite7736 4 күн бұрын

200 seconds for 200 miles thats faster than filling up with fuel.

@philipgrice1026 2 күн бұрын

Every new home built should include a battery storage system connected to the grid, creating over time a distributed power grid system. In time, it will become economic for existing homes to have similar battery storage that can expand energy dependability and sustainability while reducing cost, pollution and global climate change. I'm too old to see either the end of the human species from fossil fuel pollution or the saving of the species by the worldwide deployment of solar, hydroelectric, wind with battery storage. These are exciting times for the younger generation, and hopefully for many generations yet to come.

@jeffsteyn7174 4 күн бұрын

What im getting is that Tesla does it first. 2nd movers do it better.

@Travlinmo 3 күн бұрын

I just wish they would not claim 0% degradation. I do reliably of equipment for a living in an environment where we use stuff for 40 years, generally. Nothing I have ever reviewed had no degradation. Just claim less than 1% and you’re still best in class.

@gardenrailroading 4 күн бұрын

Brilliant!

@grahambrown42 4 күн бұрын

Tesla is a customer for CATL LFP cells?

@didierbour7907 4 күн бұрын

YES

@hermesliteratus882 4 күн бұрын

Tesla is a customer for both CATL and BYD.

@MegaWilderness 4 күн бұрын

Which is why they cannot compete with CATL especially when it comes to LFP

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Unless I'm mistaken Tesla is CATLs largest customer... Great for both companies.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

@@MegaWilderness You won't let it go, will you? . They don't NEED to compete. They're both going to win BIG TIME.

@andrzejkardys 4 күн бұрын

Would love to know the price and how it compares to Tesla for the large pack and leading providers for the charging system.

@gehrigornelas6317 4 күн бұрын

Glad to see stationary story embrace LFP and continue to improve. I'm curious how Sodium ion batteries for static storage will compare.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

CATL website.

@curioussand1339 4 күн бұрын

Tesla and it's stock price is on a solid downhill, but not all have realized it yet

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

It's only *UP* 38% in exactly 9 weeks.... 🤷🏼‍♀️

@nicholasrigg8999 4 күн бұрын

Don't forget where we might he if it wasn't for Tesla. Anyway aside from the infomercial for CATL, this is good news. Might I also draw your attention to EOSE's zinc based storage solutions that are now up and running

@petersimms4982 2 күн бұрын

Tesla & CATL work together 😊

@colingreysful 4 күн бұрын

I totally agree that energy storage will form a key part of energy distribution. However, having a self contained storage and fast charger system connected to existing “low” power infrastructure will only work if the duty cycle of car charging to storage charging is low. Imagine pulling up to charge your EV only to find the charger battery is too low to fast charge. That said this type of charger could be part of the solution, and there may well be locations where on average the battery will get enough time to recharge itself before the next EV comes along.

@Fe2lx 4 күн бұрын

Title is annoying af - instant deabo.

@andymccabe6712 4 күн бұрын

Bye.... Nobody cares.......

@sveng.9748 2 күн бұрын

Love the music, WHO is it???

@AJames-jr8kw 3 күн бұрын

Every week/month another breakthough. Geely's Aegis Short Blade Battery comes with an energy density of 192 Wh/kg and a cycle life of up to 3,500 cycles. This translates to a driving range of approximately 1 million kilometers with minimal impact on range. At 20,000 kilometers a year, this means the battery can last up to 50 years.

@nickkacures2304 4 күн бұрын

Battery chemistry is everything for grid storage battery systems and Tesla is sticking to its lithium batteries for grid storage At great risk for the company’s bottom line as better batteries like Vanadium flow and Iron air batteries are already proving to be longer lasting and dramatically less expensive save LFP BATTERIES FOR TRANSPORTATION

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

You haven't looked at the CATL website? (Sodium ion for storage) . You really should.

@RupertLee-tj3je 4 күн бұрын

Does the size of the battery in the ev charger mean that only the first customer of the day actually gets a fast charge?

@lagmonster7789 4 күн бұрын

They quote it as having a 96kWh buffer, 40kW grid connection and assuming a typical (long range)EV with 75Kwh battery charging 80% in 20 minutes(250kW charging capable), it would be good for two back-to-back cycles at full speed.(this is probably pretty close to a worst case scenario). Then it'd need ~90minutes idle before it could have another 'full speed' cycle. Though i think it'd be more likely to service less capable EVs(both in battery size and charging speeds) which would make for faster recovery times.

@RupertLee-tj3je 4 күн бұрын

Makes sense, thanks

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

No. It means they "Smooth the grid supply" when appropriate.

@hal3137 4 күн бұрын

Liked the update , but using " the end for Tesla Megapack " is a silly title . The products will co exist and Tesla use LFP themselves. The CATL claim that there is zero degradation is just not true they simply employ a buffer that evens out the degradation so the initial capacity appears to remain the same. Basically any battery from day 1 of use will incrementally grow its internal resistance and decrease the capacity.

@netshaman9918 4 күн бұрын

800 kms in 15 minutes : that' s correct.

@Nightowl_IT Күн бұрын

Looks like CATL is using LTO chemistry.

@mrmawson2438 3 күн бұрын

Hello Imogen

@Charvak-Atheist 4 күн бұрын

Whats the cost of that Battery pack ? Because, for Stationary storage Energy density doesn't matter much. Only cost matters.

@steveclemens8488 4 күн бұрын

Unfortunately here in the good ole USA one political party wants to blow UP all this amazing technology and DRILL, BABY, DRILL.Thanks for the presentation!

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Unfortunately for you, the whole US political system being tied to "Lobbying" (legalised bribery) condemns you to be at best decades behind, at worst never joining the energy transition..... REGATDLESS of "tie colour" . (It's going to get "messy") (imo)

@AlanTov 4 күн бұрын

And Musk actively supports that party. In fact the far right extremist part of it.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

@@AlanTov The guy who voted Obama Obama Clinton Biden Then said "I won't vote D" following an intense, obviously politically motivated and nasty campaign against his companies AND him personally... . The guy who when asked outright recently who he would vote for refused to answer, but hinted there's not really a good choice? . The guy whose companies (IF you think about it) are concentrating on technologies leading to a Socialist system ("free stuff", abundance, workforce and monetary reform?) . I could add "Ownership of the workplace by the Proliteriat", that old mainstay of the policies preached by Karl Marx.... (Ya'know, the "Commie"?) The "Capitalist" version of which would be "extremely preferential purchase of company shares by the workforce" Pushed by ...guess who? . You literally "believe what you read in the papers" (or the modern equivalent) . More fool you.

@MauriceOldis 3 күн бұрын

China is going to be the first Electrostate...while the U.S (if under Trump) collpases

@jooptablet1727 4 күн бұрын

Stop it with the clickbait come on

@andrewwhittaker43 4 күн бұрын

Rural and remote Australia Catl please

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Sort out the solar.... (Or get China in to build it 😉)

@benmcavoy8674 2 күн бұрын

Why does it only last for at least 20 years if it has zero degradation?

@krslavin 4 күн бұрын

What does "zero battery degradation" mean? If it is truly zero, then the battery state should be identical after every charge cycle, which means it could last forever! I am assuming some form of calendar aging would cause this to not be the case?

@michaelwinkley2302 4 күн бұрын

It's more likely that actual capacity is higher than listed capacity, with there being actual degradation but not to the extent that the listed capacity isn't available after 5 years.

@shubinternet 4 күн бұрын

I think what CATL is doing here is just downrating the batteries, so that they’ve got spare capacity for those first five years. But it’s great that they’re getting significantly more energy density per square foot of storage!

@mshepard2264 4 күн бұрын

Its just the lithium iron phosphate chemistry

@stephen-boddy 4 күн бұрын

1:45 Janky fake coolant lines. 🤭

@stickleback73 4 күн бұрын

Tesla wants the competition and we 2ant the choice! Great to see 🎉 Meanwhile back in the uk.... we need to get a move on!

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

They need to call CATL and/ or ELON about the BritishVolt site.

@ponderingspirit 3 күн бұрын

The UK needs to scrap planning permission.

@Malcolm61 4 күн бұрын

I thought Tesla was now using Catl batteries in its Megapacks?

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

You thought correctly. . Tesla has always and will continue to will use the cheapest suitable cell at any given moment..... And... Since "Other Automakers" decided to "pull back from EVs" there are A LOT of "excess" (cheap) cells on the market. Tesla is taking advantage of that availability (since *They* have "more than one string to their bow"... NOT just a car company) *AND* while doing so they are also cementing THEIR reputation as "The reliable customer".... The result of which will no doubt be "preferential terms" when Tesla requests access to the latest products (like the Shenxing Plus cells??) . Win all round.

@joehopfield 4 күн бұрын

Similarly, replacing gas stoves and heating in the US will be easier if we can drop in 120v appliances with modest sized batteries to help get around 120v system limitations.

@matt45540 4 күн бұрын

We will quite literally never do that, you'd have to start over

@MegaWilderness 4 күн бұрын

Better yet, change voltage to 220

@jonevansauthor 4 күн бұрын

Yeah as Mega Wilderness said, just change your homes to 230v and have done with it. It wouldn't not take long and it's not as if you don't have the voltage supply anyway. Just get on with it and starting using a proper British plug while you're at it. It's not the same as changing to driving on the correct side of the road, which would actually be a lot of work for you.

@jamesengland7461 4 күн бұрын

@jonevansauthor American homes always have had 240V supply. Our smaller appliances use 120V; electric heating, dryers, water heating, and stoves use 240V.

@bolwem50 3 күн бұрын

So, the charger earns its keep through energy arbitrage when it isn't charging EVs.

@forgotten_world 4 күн бұрын

Gravity batteries are a lot more reasonable, with less impact and resources. Other option is the flow batteries. These types of stationary applications should never be using conventional, expensive metallic batteries. One type of gravity batteries can be done with water, but there are other types, such as using solid weights, it is extremely efficient and use less land.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Limited capacity

@forgotten_world 3 күн бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 The largest batteries on earth are gravity batteries: hydropower. But most types of gravity batteries are easily expanded, modular, and very space efficient.

@rolandrohde 4 күн бұрын

All these interesting and important developments we keep hearing about, but somehow most of it never really seems ro make it into any areas where we mere mortals can benefit. Since we are talking about CATL...they have been developing (and supposedl building) Sodium batteries for a while now,.and those were supposed to revolutionise stationary storage and home PV batteries. However, there still isn't a single product I can buy with the tech onboard. LFP batteries are supposedly getting cheaper all the time, but the price of the upgrade modules for my hom battery system have barely dropped at all over the last 12 Months... This feels like a constant hype train that never really arrives anywhere...and we really need some of that tech to become available soon. Somehow it reminds me of the hype around phone batteries many years ago. There ws always some kind of revolution around the corner that offered 10X the capacity and runtime foe our Smartphones, but all we ever got was tiny Upgrades from year to year that were immediately eaten up by power hungry Dispays and SoC...🤷‍♂️

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

Have you EVER looked at the CATL website? (You should)

@james_l4337 4 күн бұрын

Sodium battery? LFP 3MP LMFP?? Need be safe safe safe, before density ofenergy it has Safe #1 then energy capacity Well hope ot really will all lower energy price!

@thobekanikhoza4038 3 күн бұрын

this will render BPs of this world obsolete

@reaperofdoom6146 4 күн бұрын

and no mention on the cost. Which Continent are these super chargers going to be? where is the factory that makes these? what is the Peak production and ramp going to look like?

@ASilentS 4 күн бұрын

Zero battery degradation IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. Thanks for the clickbait title 🙄

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

2 things you need to realise. . 1) Batteries degrade most over the first 2-3 years as they "bed in" (non technical term, but fits the purpose). . 2) The reason they only quote "5 years" is they only have accelerated testing equivalent to "5 years" . But since they REALLY know what they're doing..... I'll take their word for it.

@ASilentS 4 күн бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 um.....duh. I have nothing against CATL's technology. I have a problem with clickbait titles.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

@@ASilentS I have a problem with your assumption that it's a "clickbait title" (regarding the "Zero Deg" claim) . If you'd gone after the "end for Tesla" angle..... I'm 100% with you..... Clickbait and inaccurate (especially when we consider that Tesla uses CATL cells)

@robinhood4640 4 күн бұрын

Absolutely no wear and tear, right up until it starts falling to pieces.

@jantjarks7946 4 күн бұрын

That's exactly what CATL announced. Why are you thinking that CATL's official release would be click bait?

@markthomasson5077 4 күн бұрын

1.67 meter square….or I think she meant 1.67 square meters.

@foppo101 4 күн бұрын

There is always one mark.

@markthomasson5077 4 күн бұрын

@@foppo101 shame a presenter on a technology show can’t get that right

@Crusherix 4 күн бұрын

We need 1,000,000x more battery storage for the whole world and more so anything added is sorely needed and appreciated.

@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 4 күн бұрын

It's happening. Last year in Europe alone grid scale battery installations doubled to 17.3 GwH. Prices have halved in the past 4 years according to The Economist. Also in that magazine this week a deep dive on solar power. The growth is nothing short of a revolution. In 2004 it took the entire world a year to add 1 GwP of solar power...by 2010 it took a month to add that much, by 2016 it took a week..last year the world added 1 GwP of solar every day and the rate continues to grow as prices keep falling. By the mid 2030's half of global electricity will be from the sun and we are not running out of the materials to make panels or places to put them.

@dominicgoodwin1147 4 күн бұрын

But, that fast charger makes no sense. It charges itself up at 40kW and discharges at up to 480kW, so in 24h of charging it can only charge cars for about 2h per day???

@johnwenzel2003 4 күн бұрын

Capability vs capacity realy didn't get covered, really need allot more detailed information.

@Paul_ 4 күн бұрын

That’s my first thought. I guess it’s slightly better than that though. My car can charge very fast but when nearly full it only takes 70-90kW. Few cars can take over 400kW. But the point still stands. It can’t run anything near to 100% occupancy or even typical occupancy.

@MegaWilderness 4 күн бұрын

For Tesla to be competitive with Megapack, first they need to be competitive at battery manufacture

@EwanM11 4 күн бұрын

No problems. Tesla is probably catls biggest customer.

@MegaWilderness 4 күн бұрын

@@EwanM11 But CATL makes the better BESS

@EwanM11 4 күн бұрын

@@MegaWilderness do they? Tesla's autobidder is pretty clever and Tesla inverters are very good. But i haven't followed this industry.

@MegaWilderness 4 күн бұрын

@@EwanM11 The autobidder is nothing new. The utility provides the backbone with which to interface. All power suppliers use it

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

@@EwanM11 They are.... and don't bother with megawimp.... 1 dimensional anti-Tesla troll.

@karlInSanDiego 4 күн бұрын

Wasting lithium battery resources on DC fast charging stations and grid power storage is stupid and unsustainable. We need to stop seeking faster charging and using grid batteries for energy arbitrage (yes that was why Hornsdale started all of this). We must respect that scaling all of this battery tech comes with severe mining and refining emissions that don't fit within a zero carbon strategy. Grid storage should use pumped hydro or other means, reserving the lithium battery tech for light weight high energy density needed for vehicles. And vehicles should not be wasting battery resource to seek 300+ miles range to satiate uneducated ICE driver's concerns. We're letting tech bros decide our energy strategy and their letting the free market decide what they build. This is leading to LESS efficient vehicles year over year (SUV's and Pickups) as they get bigger and heavier with more power and needless dangerous acceleration. I respect that CATL is able to keep improving batteries. But let's create great sustainable policy, concentrate more of those batteries toward e-bikes and micromobility and get realistic about actual sustainable tech, which this is NOT. Not now, and not under zero carbon.

@mikemcg1808 4 күн бұрын

It's 2024. Are we still really calling everything "The End for Tesla"? Tesla and CATL are partners. Tesla's energy storage business is growing rapidly. CATL & Tesla will both do great. Lets cheer for all great solutions, and stop cheering for "Tesla Killers". The "Tesla Killer Cemetery" is already full. :)

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

💯 If I had to name 3 companies which are "Least likely to kill each other"???? TESLA. CATL. BYD. . Most others? There's a high incidence of Self Harm, some Attempted $u1ciDe.

@kb8570 4 күн бұрын

Tesla Killer? They just add Tesla in the title to get views. We are still waiting for the iPhone killer.

@johnodell5310 4 күн бұрын

IPhone was overtaken years ago. Android flagships wipe the floor with Applecrap

@benbocc1549 4 күн бұрын

The title actually has two question marks. So not a statement but more of a question, talking point or tongue-in-cheek comment.

@josephchan5135 4 күн бұрын

You are a great host, knowledgeable and professional, yet so relaxing! Cheers!

@HeadPack 4 күн бұрын

And pretty.

@TopblokeGolf 4 күн бұрын

She’s got a Kate beckinsale thing about her , I’m in love

@prilep5 4 күн бұрын

This motor combined with fast charging/discharging battery(or super capacitor) will be perfect

@kenjohnson6101 4 күн бұрын

$$??

@MrSlicks88 4 күн бұрын

How much does the Tener battery pack cost? I'm guessing more than £10 😜

@redshift3 4 күн бұрын

Unnecessary reference to Tesla. The Megapack wasn't everyone's first choice

@paulcummings55 4 күн бұрын

Will this replace the Tesla Megapack? Probably not- and the title of this video is a bit click-baity. First, take any of this from Chinese companies with a grain of salt. Like their CLTC cycle for fuel efficiency, they tend to exagerate their claims. As for their new, High Speed charger with the built-in battery- do you have any idea of how much that is going to cost for each station? A centralized battery for several or more stations is more efficient and cheaper, when it is needed.

@SciFiFactory 4 күн бұрын

No degradation .... for the first five years? That's what I call clickbait. :/ This is just a hidden buffer then!

@retrozmachine1189 4 күн бұрын

Extra! Extra CATL defies the laws of thermodynamics with new zero degradation battery!!!... except they don't. The unit does degrade, it's simply over spec'd. It's how they can announce the 15k cycle count. Shallow cycling by way of being over spec'd. All this assuming the figures aren't outright false because when it comes from that part of the world, no matter the name on the label, until you see it proven in the real world the figures, like the points, don't matter.

@christill Күн бұрын

I do get why they see clickbait as a necessary evil to play the KZfaq game. But yeah it’s really frustrating to see it. Every video is someone making an exaggerated facial expression, or a clickbait title, or both. I’d love to have a go at reforming KZfaq. But it’s really more about the entire political and economic system that makes things like this inevitable.

@lucianbakerii7562 4 күн бұрын

This really has very little to do with Tesla.

@rogerstarkey5390 4 күн бұрын

But... Clickbait.... Sigh

@MediaDevice01 4 күн бұрын

Wow. How gorgeous are we? Don't get to see a lot of edible nerds. I'm here for it.

@grahamcook9289 4 күн бұрын

You're in Muenchen, but everything is in Englisch! Warum?

@andymccabe6712 4 күн бұрын

.... English is a more international language..... .... Simples.....!!

@grahamcook9289 3 күн бұрын

@@andymccabe6712 Aber Jurgen Klopp hat gesagt, 'In Deutschland Ich spreche Deutsch', when questioned by an english journalist in English at a press conference in Germany.

@LookatBowen 4 күн бұрын

Clickbait using the word Tesla in the subject. They can't get the viewers unless they mock or make out that Tesla's massive lead is dead! Come on Everything Electric Show. You should know better, this is not a race. The more the merrier in the big party of battery storage. CATL and Tesla are partners in quite a lot of things. It is not the end for Tesla. It will be the end of me subscribing to the Everything Electric Show if you continue this nonsense.