Devin Nash is exactly who I'd want to see in an episode like this, should be hype
@olliert4840 Жыл бұрын
Richard hit the nail on the head with his points this episode regarding conflation and dilution of the esports identity.
@olliert4840 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a further episode/video exploring esports' "identity" and how we can/should influence that after the VC bubble bursts. Perhaps a respectful distancing in some way from adjacent industries/scenes (in terms of identity) is in order? If that is even possible?
@grandarchon6969 Жыл бұрын
On the "esports" consumer, and why they don't buy anything from marketing or ad spend: I leave the broadcast on one monitor muted, and play another game while I wait for the actual game to start, tune in to the game for a 20 minutes, usually listening to better commentary from Dom or LS. Based on my age and income, I'm sure they'd love me to be a consumer, but I don't even know what they're selling. It reminds me of watching sports games when I was a kid. As soon as those commercials came on, we muted the tv because of how loud they are, changed the channel, or went to the bathroom, got food, etc. Does anybody watch the ads on any of these broadcasts? Dumb people? Of course gamers are a bunch of ADHD dopamine addicts that don't pay attention to ads.
@Gizzgy Жыл бұрын
Are technology-based sponsors not interested or offering enough for these eSports organizations? Are there not sponsors that would generally be more appealing for the typical demographics watching this content?
@grandarchon6969 Жыл бұрын
@@Gizzgy There's probably two things going on. 1. gamers are cheap/ spend their disposable income on alcohol, marijuana (as evidenced by their freeze pipe sponsor), or other things of that nature. They're mostly watching this content because it's free. They discussed State Farm being a sponsor. When I renewed my homeowner's insurance, I got quotes from the top 5 brands (including them), and picked the cheapest. What good was the ad? Was it going to change my purchasing decision? 2. When it comes to technology sponsors, I already have a computer. Or I'll just buy parts and upgrade. Who would buy an out of the box rig? They're incredibly low value. Remember, gamers are a bunch of cheap, economically minded people. The games we play teach us trade-offs and opportunity cost. They're advertising to people who spend more time researching how to get good at a game than actually playing a game. You don't think they're gonna research prices on insurance coverage? You can't sell them premium electronics, you can't sell them traditional goods, you can't sell them anything really. They're the one group you don't want to advertise to. They really should lean into consumption goods, and fitness/ dating/ alternative colleges/ trade schools, etc. if they want to attract male customers. And the broader marketing 101 element here is the majority of purchasing decisions are made by women, or made to attract women. E.G. Gillette doesn't advertise their razors to men. Their ads are designed for a women to watch, think, "my boyfriend or husband would like those" and go buy them. Women statistically, aren't gamers/ aren't serious gamers/ aren't into esports/ aren't watching this content/ aren't making these purchasing decisions. Yes, you can find some stats that women play games, but they have much lower levels of engagement, hours played, play mobile games instead of PC games, don't engage in the competitive elements of games nearly as much as men do, etc. Why bother advertising anything to gamers, other than other games, which no company would want anyway...
@AleXoEx0 Жыл бұрын
A lot of good points here. I'll agree that I am always the type to go and find the best value. Hell, only the other day I was looking up the best types of battery for my electronic shaver, whether lithium or that other type, rechargeable or not etc. Adverts rarely have any effect on me on actually buying something. I don't have much spare money so I make sure it goes far.
@coreyrachar9694 Жыл бұрын
I honestly prefer to consume esports through vods rather than live for this exact reason. Esports broadcasts are 90% bs ads and killing time until the matches start so you'd be a fool to sit there and watch the whole thing imo lol.
@miloufromsaigon Жыл бұрын
I must say that it is very reasonable why you don't spend money on those products, or don't watch ads. I am the same too. BUT. Everything you say is based on YOUR OWN experience. Plus, if your friends doing the same thing, it is still YOUR OWN bubbles. You and I, we don't have the large-scale statistics to form a conclusion, so always remember to be sceptical with your own pov because it is subjective.
@Eckilisk Жыл бұрын
Who would have known that sponsoring creators would be more financially viable than sponsoring Teams or Companies with terrible business practices or outright Evil Geniuses mistreating their minions.
@yatoyoboku Жыл бұрын
cry harder Live Evil.
@iRiDiKi Жыл бұрын
I don't know a single person who doesn't just find ads annoying. Outside of the subconscious influence, the vast majority of us are turned off by ads as a whole, in general. The more intrusive, the more frustrating it is that they're there. Also, I don't think gamers give a shit about 99% of products that are advertised to them. I thought it was strange that Mastercard was a sponser, as an example, super super strange. Who watching LCS cares about that? What needs to be advertised on games IS OTHER GAMES, but that is NEVER going to happen because it's counterintuitive to the popularity of the game that is being advertised on.
@potowogreedo Жыл бұрын
When massive companies advertise, it's almost purely as a blocker to other companies taking that spot.
@prawtism Жыл бұрын
Me, never even tried adblock in 20 years. But some ads yeah are annoying
@Thundawich Жыл бұрын
Mastercard is the exact sort of sponsor that you want for stuff like LCS. Lots of people growing into adulthood in the audience, the chance to snag lots of lifelong customers. Its the same reason that banks/insurance companies are big sponsors. It might not matter to you, but to the people who have never done any of this stuff yet, it can inform their decisions hugely.
@m4ng4n Жыл бұрын
@@Thundawich why on earth would I base my choice of credit card on an ad presented to me while watching pro LoL?
@Thundawich Жыл бұрын
@@m4ng4n Because you were never presented with anything else?
@DanxorOldVods Жыл бұрын
I loved this episode, Devin should be on more! Might need to make a five horseman overlay cause Devin fits in great with everyone
@Verlisify Жыл бұрын
Richard saying "remember in 2016 when I would make an article and things would change" really hit. Post 2017 society and social media has just been financial bubbles and immorality parades
@AleXoEx0 Жыл бұрын
>furry poster
@alexzephyris1455 Жыл бұрын
@@AleXoEx0 >2017 My man doesn't know that all money is backed by US dollar which is backed by nothing. Federal Reserve is an infinite money glitch.
@vez38347 ай бұрын
Btw. Verlisify is basically just a drama creation channel that tries to ruin the perception of others in the space.
@Verlisify7 ай бұрын
@@vez3834 That's a lie. Thanks for further proving my haters are ill and deranged
@vez38347 ай бұрын
@@Verlisify Sure sure. That's normal for a KZfaqr to say. Just don't take anything he says at face value.
@tanercakir3544 Жыл бұрын
This is going to be a banger. Devin knows so much about the business side of esports and online advertising.
@suide3275 Жыл бұрын
So glad this show exists
@Danieldani7 Жыл бұрын
Has to be one of the best episodes yet, great stuff
@rebornthanos Жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic episode, with the perfect guest for the topic, extremely enlightening on the state of the industry, with the best of esports providing the best quality content.
@ColtonMelton Жыл бұрын
Devin Nash is such a great guest for this content. Love Devin and LFN!
@thedarklightning34 Жыл бұрын
While Thorin was ranting about seeing brand names on the broadcast as background noise, i realised that the only 2 sponsors of the LEC that i actually remember are KIA thanks to the music videos, and KitKat thanks to the pauses memes, and i watch LEC regularly. Crazy to think how much of the advertising we actually filter out.
@anjerkanjer3260 Жыл бұрын
There's nothing more cute than a grown man fanboying over Thooorin
@PathSythe Жыл бұрын
What about two grown men fanboying over thooorin?
@Trippyisop Жыл бұрын
You need to live more if you think there is nothing more cute than a grown man fanboying over thorin..
@PathSythe Жыл бұрын
@@Trippyisop you need to live more if you think two people joking around in the comment section of a thooorin video means they dont live enough. pro tip: dont do any social media or comment sections. theyre not suited for your mentality.
@anjerkanjer3260 Жыл бұрын
@@Trippyisop I was obviously joking
@Hotdogandpizzas Жыл бұрын
@@PathSythe 😅😅😮😅😮😮😮😮😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@uncleryze5049 Жыл бұрын
Could have listened to 3 more hours of this how amazing
@JoshLucy Жыл бұрын
I like how thorin refers to casual fans as if any of them are listening
@jeff230394 Жыл бұрын
Ur one of the casuals lol
@codingwithellie Жыл бұрын
@@jeff230394 Jeff has a need to feel better than others, and put them down if he can. Only he is not a casual. He is the ultimate carrier of knowledge. He is the main character of his own story. We can all learn a lot about Jeff's sad existence from that single sentence.
@jeff230394 Жыл бұрын
@@codingwithellie thank you
@Johnherold121 Жыл бұрын
@@codingwithellie And you have a need to feel better than others by pointing Jeff out. And I have a need to feel better than others by pointing you out pointing Jeff out etc. It's an endless cycle of discontentment. Just like esports.
@nightfire_CSGO Жыл бұрын
@@Johnherold121 it’s more fun to just upvote the deranged commenters and watch the world burn
@hellsSG Жыл бұрын
Wow every member brought so much to the topic on this one. This is one of those that's gonna be relevant for people in the industry to watch for years ahead.
@TDansVids Жыл бұрын
Devin is great and a good fit for LFN.
@palegossamer Жыл бұрын
Devin is perfect for this
@olliert4840 Жыл бұрын
Hella interesting episode. I don't really watch much 4 horsemen but this was a lot more interesting (+cordial tbh lol) discussion than I expected. Will defo have to watch more episodes
@del46_60 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad Devin is telling it straight with the challenges on selling 'the story' in a league full of imports.
@animewarrior3 Жыл бұрын
"We threw money at it" pretty much sums up the story.
@PKgazaPK Жыл бұрын
devin was amazing in this, like everyone else of course.
@williamspencer1978 Жыл бұрын
Currently listening to Rich talk about the Mastercard sponsor stuff and it got me thinking. Zoomers have their parasocial obsessive relationships with streamers, esports players, and influencers to the point where they spend hours a week watching their content. Not only could those players talk about how their mastercard credit card helped them move out from their parents, eat food, live life, etc. The streamer could do some sort of 5 or 10% discount on merch if purchased with a mastercard credit card, therefore encouraging the zooners to not only sign up for the card, but also to purchase things with it that gives the streamer and brand more money
@MrExplicit19 Жыл бұрын
You’re hired
@m4ng4n Жыл бұрын
shark mindset
@alexzephyris1455 Жыл бұрын
You say zoomers but I don't see zoomers watching esports. I don't and it's not a topic of conversation even with others who play games. You're a niche, but big, audience of people who mostly watch this shit for background noise and you will never be anything else because you're on twitch and youtube. There's simply better entairtenment than you out there, which is actually playing a game
@syferhaloed Жыл бұрын
Saw 2 clips from Thorin and had to check this episode out very good topic/discussion loving listening the politics and economics of esports from such knowledgeable members of the industry
@FoschimikawlE Жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes to date. Devin had great insight and jived so well with the rest. Give me more!
@lostboi2271 Жыл бұрын
YOOO? Devin "The Master of the Notepad" Nash? This episode about to be goooooood
@jakep6725 Жыл бұрын
Devin killed it as the guest. Well done.
@jameshull4340 Жыл бұрын
One of the best TFH episodes. Covered this topic and summed up why esports is in this position perfectly.
@chudjax Жыл бұрын
crazy podcast, my first time listening to anything like this and it went very deep into all kinds of topics. thumbs up!
@KeenJT Жыл бұрын
I recommend watching some of Richards other videos on his channel or
@raymondandsweetheart7150 Жыл бұрын
As someone who loved the LCS. The reason I don't watch the LCS is quite simple we have a 0.00000001% of winning worlds. Then I hear why players don't want play certain champions or want to put the time in. I rather watch the lpl or lck even eu. We where the laughing stock wen it took us 5 games to take a tower. I can't go through that again.
@mz4298 Жыл бұрын
One of the best advertisements I remember in esports were the "This is HyperX" series from like 11 years ago, I don't conciously look for any HyperX products but when I'm looking at RAM sticks, I find myself always immediately trusting anything HyperX branded purely because I really liked those advertisements with people I knew and followed in the scene. I think our biggest problem these days, just from a very surface/outside perspective, there's no one to really latch on to. Players and brands feel faceless, they 'feel' corporate, they don't feel like a bunch of guys who love playing the same game as me. That might just be me aging out of what would have connected with me in the past, but I just cannot feel engaged by any of the personalities or even the broadcast when it comes to LCS, which is weird because I love CaptainFlowers and Kobe yet I'll watch a co-stream over the official broadcast because it feels realer/more grounded.
@BurnerPhoneYT Жыл бұрын
It takes a lot of courage to talk about the bubble popping as people with vested career interest in the scene's ability to survive and thrive long term. LFN is the only ones that keep it real in an industry built on the foundations of scamming and grifting
@neetsk Жыл бұрын
Very insightful episode with a great addition from Devin. Been tuning in to LFN podcasts the last two months and I've absolutely loved it. Will definitely keep supporting you guys in the future
@illwillgg Жыл бұрын
Fantastic episode listened all the way from start to finish, its sad that this is whats happening to esports in the end but the culling had to happen at some point. The best we can hope for is that the grifters grifted their last grift, and now the people who truly care about esports will be left to pick up the pieces and try to build something sustainable and real that true esports fans are proud of. Always a fantastic listen thank you Monte, Thorin and Richard, as well as Devin who really was able to provide some key insights. Keep up the great work all of you.
@TheMikeMassengale Жыл бұрын
Loved the end of this discussion. Real talk, people need to wake up we squandered the advantages we had in this country and time is up.
@saephon3988 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, if sobering video. I'm glad there were multiple topics of discussion where y'all didn't exactly see eye to eye on things, it added to the breadth of the conversation. Oh esports, how I love you and want what's best for you. We're in for a rough ride...
@animewarrior3 Жыл бұрын
On the other hand. It's always darkest before dawn. The field must be burned before it can be planted etc. A lot of people will burn. But from the ashes something better is likely to take its place.
@invalidusername6809 Жыл бұрын
On the advertiser front it’s insane to me that faze have twistzz, who has said several times that he’s into cars, and are partnered with Porsche and haven’t milked that
@MuunNii Жыл бұрын
That's assuming Porsches partnership with faze goes beyond brand names and regular fees, which I highly doubt. Not every sponsor actually sponsors you with their product, especially considering how Porsche doesn't usually sponsor their own high end cars. It's more about establishing the brand name and keeping it relevant in the *minds* of folks than actually hoping to directly sell their cars. It was the same for the audi x astralis "sponsorship", even if Audi doesn't actually go that much into the high end sector as Porsche does.
@YayLexx Жыл бұрын
When Monte did his closing statement I felt that. I never wanted huge venues, huge money, big paychecks. All I wanted was for esports to be its own thing and grow organically by all kinds of gamers coming together, a product by esports fans for esports fans. I sincerely hope we can go back to it somehow.
@KjulinQlin Жыл бұрын
devin nash bringing up dark and darker devs as a cool small studio that split of of the big dev and made a cool game had me chuckling
@issamelarmi Жыл бұрын
This one is a goated episode ngl, devin is a horseman through and through
@xXScrubersXx Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for this one
@Anonymous2549110 ай бұрын
Best Episode on Esports that ever existed an, I also came up through MLG when it was about hopes and dreams and very little money. Glad I was able to live through it.
@Aanenk Жыл бұрын
so weird i started watching devin recently and he randomly shows up here. love his content
@21stcenturymusicman Жыл бұрын
the most frightening point made in this is something Thorin said. Esports is dead and no one wants to invest anymore. The last greater fool left is the Saudis, Qatar, China etc. Those are the only people left who are willing to invest in esports and it’s sad. it’s over. goodnight
@Satrim373 Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool to see all of these people together. I use to watch thorin and Richard Lewis when I was into Csgo a long time ago and I watched and liked Devin Nash a lot when he was on destiny’s stream and then train wrecks podcast. Then funnily enough I just found monte from watching podcasts with IWD
@KingMuttley Жыл бұрын
Devin Nash's gamertag should be Petrol
@brodrian311 Жыл бұрын
Echoing everyone else but man it was a blast to watch this one. Devin killed it
@Strayed199 Жыл бұрын
This is a seriously intelligent treasure trove of conversation.
@rapamune Жыл бұрын
Great episode lads, been a while since I watched a video with The Trio :)
@ronintje7647 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason there is no ROI on sponsoring LCS is the total lack of content from the teams. Most teams don't even produce content to begin with. A twitter post when they get a new player, maybe one when they kick the team at the end of the season, thats it. And the broadcast, it was boring in the past and now they try to copy LEC it has become cringe so people end up muting between games and probably during most games to.
@liberphilosophus7481 Жыл бұрын
ESPORTS could learn from traditional sports and allow timeout and TV timeouts. That would allow for better ratings with advertising as well as giving the team games a more professional feel as a more well coached and orchastrated performance rather than a chaotic race to the finish. There would be rules associated with the timeouts to avoid abuse, of course. The fact of the matter is that these professional events run more like a glorified pick-up tournament rather than a global championship series. Other than how chaotic and inprofessional the games are, ESPORTS can also take notes from NASCAR/Soccor and require player to wear sponsorship logos and find some way to display them in-game.
@atahannd.9937 Жыл бұрын
First I have seen of Devin nash. Really interesting to hear him speak.
@bipolarminddroppings Жыл бұрын
I love F1 and WWE, but I try not to directly send money to the Saudi royal family so I pirate all the F1 races and WWE shows. I used to pay for the WWE network until they did the Saudi deal. That's about the best I can do, when I'm aware of someone like the Saudis owning a company or product I like, I try to find an alternative or a way to pirate it. Problem is, it's getting harder and harder to avoid...
@coreyrachar9694 Жыл бұрын
Devin Nashs favorite sentance seems to be 'well talk about it later' or some equivilant :P
@sleven8013 Жыл бұрын
I love the smell of apocalypse in the morning
@Itstgo Жыл бұрын
I wonder if inflation or cost of living has impacted sales of sponsors. At least in my case I have decent income but still need to budget rent, car, food, etc. rather than buying new specs and what not that I could when I was younger living with parents.
@CxerRy96 Жыл бұрын
Excellent guest choice btw
@nickmajora Жыл бұрын
Very interesting vod. Devin was a good guest, very knowledgable (though a little too hyper).
@gomjabbar6246 Жыл бұрын
People support people. League viewers are mostly working now. We know what companies are and if they’re being helmed by boards instead of identifiable, passionate people, then there’s no drive to support.
@nucknuck4476 Жыл бұрын
This episode was fucking stellar! I wish Devin becomes the resident fourth horseman.
@alexkim789 Жыл бұрын
having devin on was an awesome move
@animewarrior3 Жыл бұрын
Omg. Why have i not found these guys sooner.
@LucasHernandez-gu7bg Жыл бұрын
I only comment to increase engagement statistics for the channel.
@KeenJT Жыл бұрын
Devin was great here, understand he was keen to be on this and probably nervous (for lack of a better word) but if he were to become a somewhat regular guest (think Lurppis) he would be a great guest.
@rpmcolts3607 Жыл бұрын
1:23:23 the littered streets of teemo hats!!!! LMFAO
@raywind2861 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone been able to find the source he used to find 100T demographics? He called it Geek or Giq.
@phoenixfireblazz1545 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely Loved it :) Keep up the good work!
@toxichazmat5785 Жыл бұрын
"you're a loss leader as an entity in the universe" LMAO
@GRASVELD Жыл бұрын
I feel like H3CZ got it right with the content creation as part of being a professional player. Since esports will not go to PPV, there is a lack of ticket prices to keep the scene going. Therefore teams should create value elsewhere.
@misterkefir Жыл бұрын
Good stuff, lads. Downsizing for a while will actually help e-sports, imo. Expose a lot. Can't wait. Cheers.
@jasonnoll7557 Жыл бұрын
Wow the freeze pipe sponsor has been amazing. But hearing about the 4/20 video puts a great capper on it! I wish I wasn't a poor college student and able to buy some new glass
@heavyflamerheresy2581 Жыл бұрын
Esport advertising the wrong stuff to the esport crowd. If they made more funku pops or weird nerdy merchandise they would make better profit. But if you want esport to be profitable you need to play a game that is owned by the players like football, and not the game developers as they just can shot it down without notice.
@TheDopoqob Жыл бұрын
The hypothetical platform that Monte and Thorin discuss at around 2:28:00 exists and its called Nebula
@6reen6uy Жыл бұрын
Temperrr, Rain, Apex, Teeqo, Banks, (argueably twists) the founders of what was once just a call of duty “clan” who blew up off the back of a YT series dubbed illcams.
@ksereksispyly7902 Жыл бұрын
Really cool guest, nice to listen to him
@TehHellequin Жыл бұрын
Thorin's comments about the Qatari's and Saudi's are 100% on point. Just look at LIV Golf, they are willing to pay billions or trillions of dollars to get the world to think of them differently, which they'd never have to do if they were.
@podefunder Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing is that though viewership numbers are lower, the league esports fanbase should be one that is much more willing and able to spend money, as they're the fans that have been committed to scene for a long period of time, and now finally have likely better than average incomes, with a better than average percent of our income as disposable. We used to be teenagers - college students, high school students, and even in many cases (myself included), middle school students. Now we are young adults who don't go out, have wealthier backgrounds (thus higher incomes), and likely don't have families yet to spend money on. At least for League, the industry should be doing better now than ever. But due to massive incompetence on the teams' and Riot's side, it's a really bleak outlook
@TheMikeMassengale Жыл бұрын
Absolutely crazy, a game that is only played because it was free, and it turns out the players won't buy the shit advertised to them go figure.
@cowley3044 Жыл бұрын
2:47:00 at Devin and Monete's comments about 100T merch: The golf drop sold out LOL
@Johnherold121 Жыл бұрын
Banger epi boys. Devins great.
@evaunit2 Жыл бұрын
Excellent informative episode, thank you!
@KhaoticKaos Жыл бұрын
Devin was a sick guest great episode.
@bigdo15335 Жыл бұрын
Faze clan requiring power of attorney is wild.
@kiler273 Жыл бұрын
10:09 - Devin is my soulmate
@MarcelloVT Жыл бұрын
More Devin Nash!
@genericcommentator657 Жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm new school when I say I want esports to be like it was in 2013, and even then I knew there were bad elements in esports. We don't need millionaires we need people who care about the competition
@animewarrior3 Жыл бұрын
If there's no money there's no sport. That's one of the issues.
@MesmerGW2 Жыл бұрын
Best episode yet!
@iiTE4L Жыл бұрын
55:00 I don't think Thorin understood how advertising works. The fact that he can mention all the brands that advertise show that it worked. Advertising is mostly subconscious and it will have an impact on your decision-making (for buying a product for example) at some point.
@iiTE4L Жыл бұрын
Well, Devin explained afterward exactly what I tried to explain lul
@hughwoodford Жыл бұрын
The symptom of bad business practise is not a unique esports problem. It's not even a sports problem. The world over, at almost ever level of government and corporate business, is utterly corrupt, lacking any sense of morality and is happy to grift, lie and abuse their positions of power as there is literally zero negative consequence. It's gotten 10x worse since the 2009 recession, the lack of consequences for what happened back then is still being felt today.
@cr4ck_m4g1c Жыл бұрын
love my new freeze pipe ;)
@manchuratt8900 Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Devin 1:21:00 about franchising. Which team feels free of repercussions from Riot for poor performance? Riot hasn't done a single thing about consistently poorly performing teams. There is no story to be built around players. Not everyone has an amazing story. Show me single consistently poorly performing player with an incredible story. He's been hitting that freeze pipe too hard.
@6666Imperator Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how much more Rolex or other sponsors in the Formula 1 make by spending marketing budget on sponsoring teams or tracks. It feels much more like a prestige investment than a ROI based investment and I guess esport is similar to that in regards to advertising if I hear these 4 talking about it. But it also makes me happy that we gamers are not blindly buying stuff just because "our team" has them as a sponsor.
@fluid1712 Жыл бұрын
3 hours of straight fire
@heavyflamerheresy2581 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the t and ct need to have a eaport jersey on like Astralis, Liquid, NAVI, G2 and so one. As you se them more in game thant outside the game. I think that would be pretty cool
@alexzephyris1455 Жыл бұрын
I am still the low IQ guy who always thought esports was astoturfed and Richard saying esports fans are scumbags is quite funny when people like Riot Games decided to run their streams on Twitch for free, instead of ever bothering to monetize on the views. Now I know a guy irl who gets 4k a month, which is considered low by the market but still four times more than what others his age group are making. For playing on a challenger team.
@prawtism Жыл бұрын
Link for the Devin Nash video is not in the description yet
@prawtism Жыл бұрын
Now it's there
@ExhaustinglyBored Жыл бұрын
Admittedly I'm commenting before finishing the video but I'd like to point out that I was a fan back when I was young and poor. And who sponsored League? Bud light. Alienware. Honda. State farm. BMW?! When was I ever gonna buy their products? When I hopefully break the glass ceiling and land into a higher socioeconomic status or reach the drinking age to find out bud light is terrible
@basileusbasil4041 Жыл бұрын
My brother wanted to go pro in Valorant, he bought something upwards of 2,000 dollars in skins.
@EthanAddam Жыл бұрын
This may be a naive or uninformed view of this but for esports sponsoring companies I have always felt as though there was no incentive to buy from the sponsoring company. For example, you guys advertise freeze pipes and have a good deal on it, if I use your code I get a good deal and support you guys. Alternatively if we look at a PC brand company sponsoring an esports team, there's either no actual deal for me as a consumer or the deal pales in comparison to just building my own PC, and thus there is no actual reason to buy from the company aside from supporting the team. And when it comes down to something as expensive as a PC or PC accessories, as much as I'd like to support my team, I'm gonna go with the best option financially.
@Arrrash Жыл бұрын
Devin didn’t mention Nexon trying to nuke dark and darker outta existence with lawsuits