The EXACT moment the White Walkers Returned | Aegon's Prophecy will be HUGE in House of the Dragon

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Жыл бұрын

We know that about 3 years ago when George RR Martin was doing interviews for the promotion of his new book Fire and Blood..
He hinted at the idea that Aegon knew about the threat in the North and thats why he forged 7 Kingdoms into one with Fire and Blood! The show clarifies this for us. Aegon had a dream.
Prophetic dreams are not New to House Targaryen. Aegon's Prophecy isn't the only prophecy that is circulating during the dance which leads me to believe the two are connected. In this video I will break down what The Hammer Prophecy means and What Aegon's prophecy means and How they basically tell us when the walkers were created, when they came back and why! I will also talk about the implications this will have on House of the Dragon moving forward, especially Cregan Stark and Prince Jacaerys Velaryon!
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@TheParlayPirate Жыл бұрын

When he said that "There must always be a Targaryen on the Iron Throne", that gave me "There must always be a Stark in Winterfel" vibes. Your theory backs up that parallel. You got my attention.

@lizbaena2012 Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!

@lanasjoynt485 Жыл бұрын

@dave Carroll yes! This explains a lot. They guard the secret. The white walkers will come from north of the wall so it makes sense to inform the lord of Winterfell as they are the first line of defense against them and the north will have major input in defending the realm against them as they hold the largest part of Westeros and will face them first. The last hero caused winter to fall at that precise location amending the first long night. House Stark fought and defeated the others before. The last hero was a Stark. 😳

@TheParlayPirate Жыл бұрын

This makes those two houses all the more intertwined, which I am all here for being two of my favorite houses. ( the other being Blackwood)

@maofutah7368 Жыл бұрын

That's why "winters coming" was code for the dead is coming

@cr1spy1 Жыл бұрын

Also weren't Krasters male children sacrificed to knights king. So why could not the children sacrifice their male children to increase their fighting numbers?

@Meaux_Yanna Жыл бұрын

If the Mad King had already told Rhaegar about the prophecy before their deaths, then it makes sense why Rhaegar's temperament changed from happy and signing in the streets to all sad and gloomy. And that could also be why he risked the entire kingdom to be with Lyanna Stark as she was the only maiden in the North to represent the "Ice" in the Song of Ice & Fire.

@Meaux_Yanna Жыл бұрын

@@universe.factory ahhh.. thanks for the info!

@lbc1628 Жыл бұрын

@@universe.factory also when he thought about it he wanted to make sure he sired the Prince that was promised

@Wex-is-a-secret-Targ Жыл бұрын

I’m picturing Rhaegar, knowing the battle was lost against Robert Baratheon, and trying to tell him bout the prophecy but Bobby B was so enraged didn’t listen and killed him

@Meaux_Yanna Жыл бұрын

@@universe.factory Right! And I always wondered like why didn't Rhaegar just tell ppl why he ran off with Lyanna and about the marriage lol.. but knowing now that it might've been to keep the secret of the Long Night and the prophecy makes things make sooo much sense!

@ricodan7617 Жыл бұрын

I think Bloodraven found out himself and went north. He tried to tell the mad king and that drove him mad …. I also think Egg found out hence why summerhall happened.

@analiadure4943 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I think Ned knew. "Promise me Rhaenyra" "Promise me Ned" Rhaegar told Lyanna and Lyanna told Ned knowing she was going to die. That's why Ned fought so hard when Bobby B decided to kill Dany

@Youngthundercat67 Жыл бұрын

Nah I don’t think Ned knew. No way he sends Jon to the watch if he knows.

@maggyfrog Жыл бұрын

@@Youngthundercat67 totally agree with this. ned would have done something about it with bobby b if lyanna told him. ned would not have kept saying "winter is coming" and not do anything about it if he actually knew anything about the white walkers. also, it's canon that ned beheaded a night's watch deserter for talking crazy about white walkers. ned knew nothing.

@Ittheyzezermeowpurr Жыл бұрын

Ned was honorable he made it clear how he disagreed with Bobby killing an innocent child. Dani was like 13 In books. He literally refused to do a coup and take over from the Lannister’s and he did what he could do Cersai and kids weren’t killed for the truth, as in he gave them an out because they would have been executed. I don’t think Ned knew for some other reasons but just giving examples on him protecting kids. But, maybe one day we will know for sure . I’d love to know.

@cbrownjc7633 Жыл бұрын

@@maggyfrog That scene in GOT with Ned beheading the Night's Watch deserter carries so much more weight now. Ned didn't believe a word of what the deserter said he saw and dismissed it. This means nope, Ned *never* knew about the prophecy.

@amandadobbs8609 Жыл бұрын

Yes to the former; no to the latter. I doubt there was time for a I’m-dying info-dump, only a last request. Ned objected to Danaerys’ assassination solely on the moral grounds of it being just plain WRONG.

@lbc1628 Жыл бұрын

Gray, I always thought I was the only one that thought about the secrets like that. Targaryens must always sit the iron throne and there must always be a Stark in Winterfell,so that means that Ned's father had kept that part of the secret pact in the Starks teachings whether he knew the significance of it or not. As you said he's only a second son so he wouldn't be privy to the whole breakdown of why it must be that way. Thanks, Gray, for validating my thoughts on it. Now if we could have gotten a episode where Brann had a green dream about the secrets of the pact it would have cemented a lot of 'grey areas' in the Game of Thrones series and the prequel to boot. My opinion only

@andreim.5324 Жыл бұрын

It makes sense why no one in GOT's time knew anything about this prophecy, since the last king and heir who knew about it were killed (Aerys and Rhaegar). The only living persons that might have known about this are Bloodraven and Maester Aemon, which explains why they ended up in the north. Aegon the Conqueror clearly had a prophetic dreams just as Daenys the Dreamer had about Valyria, but their prophetic dreams were not filled with details. Both did not know when their dream will come to pass and how exactly.

@TXbornTNpaid615 Жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Millesandra knew, therefore all the priests and priestess' of Rhollor knew. The Starks Obv knew.

@adi7288 Жыл бұрын

This has to be the most solid theory/conclusion that I’ve come across in awhile. I’m invested 🤔🤔🤔🤔 **Also if the dragons were first kept in the caves on Dragonstone, then the Targaryen kings would have no doubt seen the cave painting made by the children of the forest AND Aegon’s dream would have been confirmed by the cave paintings!!

@LoRosa0224 Жыл бұрын

That was one of my first initial thoughts too

@thatveganliam5863 Жыл бұрын

I think this explains why Rheagar wasn’t interested in combat but then one day finally goes to the master at arms and says it seems he has to become a knight. Bet you anything the night before he was told the secret.

@Jbell912 Жыл бұрын

I think you smoked this!!! I was listening on my drive to work and I’m yelling at the radio “Yes, That makes so much sense…” You never let this journey with you get boring because you always find a new wrinkle for us… I hope you’re right and can’t wait to see how it unfolds!!!

@elenim.6535 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Viserys saying a Targaryen must be seated on the Iron Throne when the Northern threat comes aligns with the Starks saying a Stark must always be in Winterfell.

@kriswalter560 Жыл бұрын

It is SO great to be back listening to your deep dives into these stories. You make HotD all the better for me. Thank you!

@justineharper3346 Жыл бұрын

I literally gasped when you said the Starks passed it down too. I saw where you were going with the Rickard and Brandon shit 😂. I LOVE this whole theory. I think the White Walkers must have existed the whole time though because Craster has been giving them sacrifices since before the Battle of the Trident, right? They were just biding their time

@sophiawilson8696 Жыл бұрын

The Others were sleeping for long, long, long time.

@chuckyi2345 Жыл бұрын

There were cave paintings of white walkers

@cgoose15 Жыл бұрын

11:20 - makes me think of “there must always be a Stark in Winterfell”

@TheZWhite Жыл бұрын

I am on this same path. After that prophecy I felt that Aegon saw all the bickering between the house and different kings. No way they could prepare for the end of humanity when they can barely fix their own issues. Make them respect one king and now they have to listen. I love it.

@sachit5000 Жыл бұрын

One army united.... Bobby b knew.

@bradpitt1263 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for talking about my comment I love you girl lol I’m so happy man you agreeed with me

@GrayArea Жыл бұрын

I was gonna put it on screen, but I couldn’t find it on the breakdown video.

@booknerdlover3675 Жыл бұрын

Your theory about when the WW returned just blew my mind! Fantastic theory and it makes SO MUCH SENSE!!!!

@10bunks12 Жыл бұрын

God Damn it Gray. For years during GOT I loved all your videos that you laid out all these awesome and interesting theories and breakdowns. And your theories were so fantastic. And then we got the disaster that was season 8 and nothing about the Long night, Night king or White Walker, the Others was answered. I was devastated. With No new books and no real answers. I guess it was all dead. But now here I am again getting pumped up over your break downs and Theories. I really want some of what you say to be true because it’s so good and the story would makes sense. Thanks for videos.

@perfect6386 Жыл бұрын

I was hoping the knight king was daemon. Since his body was never found.

@10bunks12 Жыл бұрын

@@perfect6386 I’ll take that. Just give us something. Some answers to who or what the white walkers are all about.

@bradpitt1263 Жыл бұрын

I said the same thing in your comments a few days ago and you liked it so your welcome

@crazar23 Жыл бұрын

Girl!!! I can't have a normal day now, my head is buzzing!!!! THIS IS AMAZING!!!! And it makes ALLLLL the sense!

@saltywriteralex Жыл бұрын

I love so many of these theories! The parallel between the Children sacrificing their young and Stannis sacrificing Shireen *chef's kiss* Though I will say, I'm not sure how Aerys knowing and passing the secret to Rhaegar jives with Barristan telling Dany that Rhaegar changed after reading something in his scrolls and deciding he needed to be a warrior. If Aerys had told him, or known about TSOIAF at all, Rhaegar wouldn't have needed to read it elsewhere. I think instead, we're going see a dying out of the prophecy with Rhaenyra's death in HOTD. And it's only when Rhaegar finds out about it through his readings (or sees it in the dagger, though that could just be show-only) does the prophecy gain new life. But that's just my prediction! Great video as always Gray!

@tombullard123 Жыл бұрын

Maybe it was what was in the scrolls that gave him the full picture or idea itd be him/his son

@lanasjoynt485 Жыл бұрын

This is maybe a part of what drove Arres mad. Burn them all he kept screaming. Maybe he was talking about the white walkers not the citizens of Kings Landing. Bloodraven was also messing with his mind through his dreams. That combined with the knowledge he already possessed may have slowly driven him to madness which went off the rails after Duskendale. Gray you are the GOAT!!

@michaeldunsing9461 Жыл бұрын

was nervous that this show wouldn't get me as excited week to week like GOT! but wow this show is awesome AF I'm excited to go on this journey back in westeros 🤘

@terencewest5955 Жыл бұрын

Makes the Madd king not so mad... he was telling them to burn all the dead from the north coming

@blackeyedlily Жыл бұрын

Very interesting ideas that you and David Lightbringer are putting together based on the new information we learned in Episode One!

@TheAnomalyPod Жыл бұрын

I agree with your deductions! I think the warning of the Long Night was passed down in the North since the Kings of Winter and Bran The Builder because “there must always be a Stark in Winterfell.” I think Aegon The Conqueror shared his dream and Torrhen Stark shared “the truth in the North” so they agreed to join forces. I think Torrhen knelt because he believed the dragons to be “Lightbringer.” I also believe that Ned, Benjen, and Lyanna always knew about the Others and The Long Night. There’s something about the way their decisions all come off as extremely layered.

@yamommasbox Жыл бұрын

So happy this channel came back up in my feed

@bobmorris9137 Жыл бұрын

Great job Gray!! Once again connecting the dots for us!!🔥

@TheeSecondSon Жыл бұрын

You’ve been on fire with the uploads Gray! 🔥 just what I needed with my 5AM cup of coffee. now let’s get this day started.👌 LETSS GO SWEEET SUMMA GANG !

@bertellijustin6376 Жыл бұрын

What if the “Mad King” wasn’t mad. What if he was seeing a future where the Targs are cast down, and it involves a Stark….which would explain why the “Mad King” killed Ned’s dad and brother thinking to avert it but actually creating that very future?

@annaboudreauwoodside4723 Жыл бұрын

yeah, I'm starting to suspect his burn them all was more than we know to date.. so I think you might be onto something here..

@shakiyagotdreams2299 Жыл бұрын

Please keep me informed gurl!!!!! Love thissss!!! This is my main focus, who and what are white walkers and what was their purpose to take over

@DLYChicago Жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting content; I missed you.

@tangerinesky1293 Жыл бұрын

U def convinced me. Well thought out video! Good job girlie!

@AlexOfTheRhoynar Жыл бұрын

Grey out here spitting pure FACTS! Beautifully put together 📜❤

@alimarie7471 Жыл бұрын

Well thought-out and awesome as always!

@joejohnson7765 Жыл бұрын

What you said makes perfect sense I’m so happy I’ve found KZfaqs like yours

@jaymezdean2007 Жыл бұрын

Love your theory sis. Can’t wait to hear more.

@katie_174 Жыл бұрын

I really like this. Though, I wonder how Craster factors into this. Based on the ages of his many "wives," he'd been sacrificing sons for longer than the 15ish years between the Battle of the Trident and when AGOT begins. Love to hear any ideas out there!

@carolbriscoe9337 Жыл бұрын

I had assumed Castor's sons were made into the Night King's lieutenants. They weren't from the risen dead.

@sophiawilson8696 Жыл бұрын

Caster was not only to gift his children to the Others. Read the books people.

@kimwalker6502 Жыл бұрын

Great insight Gray! I always look forward to your post

@amishisanghvi3454 Жыл бұрын

Why am I just now finding this channel?! Instant subscribe + notifications. Thank you for explaining this so clearly.

@jameswilliams4142 Жыл бұрын

Haven't came to your channel in a min but I'm backkkkk lol still love your voice !!!!

@nightcitypunk8517 Жыл бұрын

Great video Gray. It would be awesome if GRRM uses DoD to give us the whitewalker's backstory.

@leevincent5455 Жыл бұрын

Love that your back to what you do best

@TK-eh8cs Жыл бұрын

Hello there 👋👋, how are you doing today???

@AGlutton Жыл бұрын

It's interesting that the heir learns of the pact, and Stannis is on Dragonstone (the traditional seat of the heir) from the opening of the first book. When word of the Others comes to Stanis, he reacts quickly and in fashion which may suggest the "heir" knew of the pact of Ice and Fire. He knew his duty as king (or heir).

@denardthomas5725 Жыл бұрын

I mean this sounds amazing! And changes the whole game! Being a book reader I’m even more pumped and excited for how this show goes!!

@Gpiforever1 Жыл бұрын

wow i haven’t seen a video from you in two years . I’m happy to be back

@vl1006 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video! You cracked the code!!

@danetober9032 Жыл бұрын

This really is incredible work. Think you're on to something

@brittanyofhouseblackwood Жыл бұрын

It feels so good to come home from work, smoke shesh and then listen to your genius theories while I eat dinner! I missed this so so much! Another amazing video!! Can't wait for Sunday 🐲🔥

@ousmanjallow7866 Жыл бұрын

Nice vid👍

@jessejamesmacdonnell Жыл бұрын

Soo glad to have you back Grey ❤️❤️

@EverythingNetwork1 Жыл бұрын

great video

@laylaazmigoushey5812 Жыл бұрын

Fascinating. Great video.👏👏

@TK-eh8cs Жыл бұрын

Since you started watching who is your favorite character and why?? How are you doing today layla??hope you are safe from the crazy Covid??

@killaweedbro420 Жыл бұрын

I haven't been so hyped in awhile. Amazing story, visceral visuals.

@Divine_Chareka Жыл бұрын

Buckle up fellas, Sunday is almost upon us 🔥🔥🔥

@Lotschi Жыл бұрын

Those thoughts are so accurate! You are really good at this! Now the last thing we need to understand is why the white walkers are held off by the combination of Targaryen and Starks (Ice and Fire)

@brank1022 Жыл бұрын

Love the commentary!

@oharayoung4992 Жыл бұрын

Lmao man i missed you, always love the theories because you make them make sense lol everyone else seems like just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it would stick…keep up the great content and i hope u have urself a great week 🥳

@jarredhurley9572 Жыл бұрын

I’ve missed these videos!!!

@allenrobinson7602 Жыл бұрын

We LOVE your theories. They are so ripe with lore & content. Hopefully the new show HOtD will keep steered towards the books, and not careen over a cliff like GOT. I lol'ed when you called seasons 7&8 fan fiction. 😭😂

@madyjules06 Жыл бұрын

What a great video, I love your theories!There’s a new trailer that HBO just dropped for the upcoming episodes of HotD. In the trailer it shows young Rhaenyra reading the words, “From my blood come the Prince that was Promised & his song will be the Song of Ice & Fire…” It’s obvious that she’s looking down at a fire as she reads these words. I think she’s reading these words of Aegon’s Prophecy from the blade of the Valerian steel (aka the catspaw)dagger after it’s been heated up in the flames. I hope that’s what we’ll see.

@fernandomacias2889 Жыл бұрын

Where did you find the new video?

@madyjules06 Жыл бұрын

@@fernandomacias2889 on Emergency Awesome’s channel he just released it today…hope that helps :)

@Oximb Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's what Condal said in the inside of the episode, Aegon imbued the prophecy in the blade.

@madyjules06 Жыл бұрын

@@Oximb Didn’t see that…thanks for the heads up

@miad5392 Жыл бұрын

Also loving the return to Westeros with House of the Dragon bc all my favorite ASOIAF creators are in hyper drive with content!

@DADDYDRAGONGIRL Жыл бұрын

YES YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NAIL. I TOLD MY SISTER THE SAME THING WOW

@markpjf85 Жыл бұрын

House of the dragon will Connect to the book stories and what’s going to happen down the line that will be Canon to the story of a song of ice and fire The Prince that was promised Will be heavily on my mind some Targaryens down the line Totally 💯 correct as it’s going to be connected to the winds of winter more Dragon dreams for Daenerys

@ericwomack4584 Жыл бұрын

I agree totally and it will also shown how off the rails season 8 ending really was and GRRM and Ryan Condall are trying to fix the conception by some folks that this will be the actual book ending.

@cameronkumarhatyara3417 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. People really trying to connect it to the show and it hurts.

@markpjf85 Жыл бұрын

@@ericwomack4584 totally 💯

@markpjf85 Жыл бұрын

@@cameronkumarhatyara3417 I know bitter taste still

@lanasjoynt485 Жыл бұрын

@@ericwomack4584 I agree. The original series mishaps will be corrected through HOTD. George is a genius to use D&Ds muck iOS to flesh out the story in a way that will mesh itch the books ending

@theronin9984 Жыл бұрын

King V 's decision to marry Alicient reminds me more of Rob Stark's decision to marry the wrong woman of it 's impact on the storyline. Glad I found U! U are now my #! HOTD !! 💯❤️👍🏾

@jesseponce2703 Жыл бұрын

probably you best video since like season 5/6 of GOT. I found myself thinking along these lines since the last time I read Fire and Blood

@Kholmi.28 Жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO!⚡ My head is spinning😂

@mikhaelcopland1781 Жыл бұрын

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I feel like that might have something to do with the white walkers and Aegons dream theory. Keep up the good content. Thanks

@MoneeQ222 Жыл бұрын

I think you are spot on! Very plausible. Makes a lot of sense

@dimble3 7 ай бұрын

absolutely fantastic theory! Just subbed even though I'm late to the party

@aliciaveal1284 Жыл бұрын

Your insight always amazes me. I read the books and watch videos all the time but I can never make big connections or it's very rare lol. I totally see this theory and it makes sense the part about the secret dying with the mad king and his heir. Great video.

@JNDReacts Жыл бұрын

This prophecy could also add more depth to the fact that Aegon made the iron throne out of swords from those he conquered. He made a deliberately uncomfortable throne to remind his successors not to get too comfortable with their power. But using iron swords specifically is interesting because the Starks place an iron sword with every dead lord in their crypt.

@i1s9m9r5 Жыл бұрын

13:50 I was just rereading that part of Fire and Blood last night and almost screamed. This theory makes a lot of sense!!

@CottonCandySharks Жыл бұрын

Great theory, love it!

@popithoe2212 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I feel like I'm back in 2017

@rianbeegles3349 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. After finding out this reveal I kept thinking that perhaps Robert killing Rhaegar and taking the throne triggered the return of the Others, but I kind of brushed it aside because I couldn't think of a logical in-world reason why this would have triggered the Other's return. You also mentioned another thing I was thinking as well as I've been thinking about the possibility that the Stark's knew Aegon's prophecy or had some prophecy of their own about the Other's, and how it was probably lost when Rickard and Brandon were killed. I have to now wonder if the narrative reason why the Winterfell library was burned was because it housed some of these secrets.

@girlnettles Жыл бұрын

You done did it again!!! After all this time. You still got the JUICE

@blueangelsfan4072 Жыл бұрын

Your musings make me want to read the books. Although that may never happen, your deep thoughts have my scratching my chin. Thank you. 🙇‍♀️🌻🌳🍀🦋🐾🐾🕊♻️

@daniellaw4200 Жыл бұрын

This is the most comprehensive fan theory I’ve heard thus far. I love it

@calimade3821 Жыл бұрын

That was an absolutely amazing explanation

@Sam80F Жыл бұрын

I've always been sure that "The Pact of Ice and Fire" had everything to do with the song and the prophecy and that the Targaryens and the Starks were at the core of it, also because there are many parallels between them. So, yeah. I cannot wait to see Jace in Winterfell. I really hope Mushroom is right.

@shan336 Жыл бұрын

I mean, if Lord Rickard and Brandon knew the secret, it will be surprising that they rushed to KL to want Rhaegar to “come out and die”. There are a few Targaryen kings died before naming heirs, like Daeron I. It is likely the secret has been lost on the both sides some time earlier. However, i do love to believe the theory: house ice and fire are supposed to guard mankind together, but when they forget that and on each other’s throats, mankind is doomed.

@markprince1671 Жыл бұрын

You blow my mind ,thx 👍

@emmasheiman287 Жыл бұрын

LOVE this theory! I haven't heard this take before.

@mortalkomment8028 Жыл бұрын

Listening to you has turned into a new mission. You're ma Queen.

@SparkleTea_TheLawyer Жыл бұрын

Genius !!! Love this theory, I’m in!

@girlnettles Жыл бұрын

7:52 don’t forget Dany had to sacrifice her own blood, her son to birth dragons

@jasontwiddy3413 Жыл бұрын

Yesss! I just commented something very similar yesterday on Arah's video about the prophesy. I had thought that the starks may have had their own secret to what would be needed to defeat the others when they returned, passed down from king to heir since the long night (the real thing the north remembers)... and that's why Torrhen would have knelt. There's no way the proud northerners would have knelt without fighting to the last man if they didn't know they needed an alliance with Fire.

@lanestapp2 Жыл бұрын

The whole second hammer seems to have happened much earlier than rhaegars death, just because we know craster has been giving his son's away for his adult life 15ish years after rhaegars death and he's already grey hair going white and near the end of his life by then. If there was a second hammer/others event, then timeline wise Baelor and Maekar forming the Hammer and Anvil to crush Daemon makes more sense. Though, based on the descriptions of Summer reaching Bloodravens cave and Silverwing refusing to go over the wall being nearly identical, and Summers being based on feeling The Others, I'm under the impression that The Others have been around much longer.

@TheMasochistKnight Жыл бұрын

True

@cincin9509 Жыл бұрын

Good points!

@Luaeria Жыл бұрын

Girl, yes!!! UGH! I love your channel!!! I’m here for my JUICE!!!

@_Shan7 Жыл бұрын

I’m hoping we get a young Bloodraven at some point as the 3 eyed Raven

@stryderja9570 Жыл бұрын

I think you are right. It's also important to recall that the sequence was Mad King kills Rickard and his father...Rhaegar eloped with Lyanna having decided the prophecy applies to him and Lyanna, so whilst at ToJ he tells Lyanna the prophecy as he knew he was going to war with Robert in the Rebellion to preserve the Targaryens being on the throne part of it. He told her and made sure he left Arthur Dayne there to defend them. He didn't think he was going to die, but took precautions. He goes to battle and Robert kills him. We know Jon wasn't born yet as Ned left to look for Lyanna after the battle at the trident. And Jon was born when Ned was at the ToJ. The other Targaryens are wiped out (save Daeny and her brother, but they didn't know the prophecy). So the Walkers are kept in check so long as their is an existing Targaryen heir who has been told the prophecy. At Rhaegars death none yet knew. Only Lyanna knew. Which is what she then told Ned and Ned was to tell Jon, but couldn't. This was when the walkers slowly began their return to power and the return of winter began. What's also cool and interesting is that a Stark was the only other sanctioned ruler on the iron throne during the time of the Targaryen reign (albeit briefly..very very very briefly).

@sergioh336 Жыл бұрын

Ned did not know. He killed a night's watch deserter bc he says he saw white walkers. If he knew the prophecy, he would not have beheaded him. And, don't you think he would have done everything in his power to get Jon on the throne? Or Viserys? A Targ must sit the throne is a powerful statement if put into context. Ned would have taken it seriously. I like the thought but it just doesn't fully line up. No one knew.

@stryderja9570 Жыл бұрын

@@sergioh336 he killed him because he was a deserter. Desertion carried the pain of death under any circumstance. And he couldn't risk his BF Robert finding out about Jon as he would killed them both inc. Ned (maybe).

@peepindis Жыл бұрын

@@sergioh336 you may be right. But I think the deserter could have been executed for reasons of duty alone. Jeor Mormont knew about the WWs. So did Maester Aemon. It's been a bit since I've seen episode 1, but I don't recall Ned expressing disbelief toward the deserter, just a grim near-remorse for having to kill him. I think that he broke his vow irrespective of why and that's why he had to be killed.

@sergioh336 Жыл бұрын

@@stryderja9570 yes, he was a deserter and the sentence was death. Ned could have also believed him which i believe was the case. But, if Ned knew of the prophecy, I believe he would acted differently in that situation. Ned n Jon are always compared. When Jon allowed the wildlings south, it went against the grain and ultimately cost him his life. But he did was right in the situation. Ned took Jon as his bastard, he did was right in the situation. Ned did the right thing in his eyes many times. I believe he would have done what was right, Including getting a Targ back on the throne at the expense of his BFF Bobby B. Which would quite certainly have cost him his life n possibly Jon's life. But it would have been the right thing to do especially within the context of the prophecy

@shockwave1126 Жыл бұрын

Great insight. Love it.

@joeparrigen4982 Жыл бұрын

Good video

@aaronwebb9637 Жыл бұрын

Grey I think you're on to something!! Lovin the juice!!

@rowell669 Жыл бұрын

The north remembers. Winter is coming. There must always be a stark in Winterfell. I’m not sure Ned knew, but someone in the north did. The timing makes sense to me. Bobby B. upset the order of things. But the Dance of the Dragons did too. Because, that basically sent the dragons into extinction, for all intents and purposes. And without dragons, “the Targaryens are just like everyone else”. The Targaryens didn’t have dragon power until Dany hatched the eggs. If Rhaegar had been a dragon rider, Robert wouldn’t have been able to kill Rhaegar.

@annaboudreauwoodside4723 Жыл бұрын

the moment could be when the last dragon died.. like the literal last dragon. I've kept that in my mind since I first read the books. It's fantasy, and magic.. so there has to be some explanation linking the two things, yeah? Was a dragon actually "lightbringer"?? I dunno, but I'm intrigued again for sure

@keshabroady4837 Жыл бұрын

You’re my fav don’t ever change

@Mom2Lindsey1 Жыл бұрын

Ooooooo I think you’re onto something! 🤯🥶

@thefantasynuttwork Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video and a lot to think of. The pact of Ice and Fire from F&B also comes to mind. I don't think Ned knew however, and I also don't think he needs to for this to work. Looking forward to seeing more!

@thefantasynuttwork Жыл бұрын

Annnnnd you just mentioned the pact, we are on the same page haha

@blufaerie Жыл бұрын

“Bobby B” you crack me up!!!

@mitchgunzler3737 Жыл бұрын

So, three parts: I love your first idea. It makes sense that the Hammer of the Waters was not a monumental effort that was so obviously going to be pointless. Some pact with Dark Forces that broke the bonds of death could have been the kind of plan that might work, while having major side effects in the world. That could especially be what threw the seasons out of whack. I merely like your second idea. I’m not sure the white walkers really care about the game of thrones going on their south, but I can see how a terribly important secret too closely held might have been lost in one otherwise minor conflict. With Rhaegar’s father’s madness taking out the Starks Rhaegar could have been the only one who knew, and too certain of his role to consider telling anyone just in case he was killed. I have a hard time imagining the White Walkers stirring because Rhaegar fell. I also suspect it would take them decades or centuries to go from first thawing to marching on the World of Men. My guess is their waking was also a side effect of a world-shaking magical event. My guess is the Doom of Valyria woke the White Walkers from ten thousand year’s slumber.