Thanks so much to Woolie and Pat once again for the shout out to my video. The game now looks like it's flopping as hard as anyone could have predicted. It's sad. I do hope Platinum survives this, but the game really is this bad. The low scores and bad sales aren't undeserved, and that kills me. I want the fun old days of Platinum again! I can only hope Bayonetta 3 turns out well...

In film we call it "give'em something to hate" so the director/producer coming in has something obvious they can get rid of. It's so real.

With that "I can save them" at the end, this is a good week for feeding of Woolie sadness.

Even if this game was halfway decent, the sheer amount of MASS Elden Ring has would both literally and figuratively pull people back in

The term "PS2 game" is a strange insult seeing how broad that description is when it comes to how PS2 games can look. Some still look great to this day, like Okami amongst lots of other examples. I feel like "Early HD era" fits better. Lots of bloom, weird filters, low framerate, overuse of letterbox, constant screentearing, etc.

the bit about the devs putting a sound effect or funny hat as bait for the producer is 100% accurate ive done independent contract work for some companies and commission stuff right, and I've definitely done that cause clients always want to make changes so they feel like they got their moneys worth/did their job and it absolutely works

Platinum is basically on life support until Bayo 3 comes out, after that who knows.

"If you keep rolling the dice you'll eventually get it." THEY DID, THEY HAVE FF14

RIP Platnium. Killed by: literally everyone they ever worked for.

I used to joke about the SBFP being basically the entire Platinum games marketing team since they love their games so much and chill them at every opportunity. I am as sad as they are about this game turning out the way it did.

Wow… this live service idea sounds like it’s gonna be fucking lit for Platinum.

I was so confused when I heard the game was getting slammed because I remembered all the excitement for the original. This definitely cleared that up, thanks. Releasing that on the same day as Elden Ring, too. Friggin' WOW.

It should be noted that in 2020, Platinum set up a whole new studio in Tokyo specifically dedicated to live service game development. As much blame as you want to put on Square, Platinum wants to get on the GAAS model with or without them, regardless of Babylon's success or failure (which it is obviously the latter).

Bye Bye Babylon Begone~

I can't wait to see the Wha Happun episode.

Reportly Babylon’s fall currently has 650ish players yeah it’s definitely a flop for square and platinum not only is the game bad it came out while people are still playing elden ring

The only difference between Babylons fall and Scalebound is that Kamiya said no.

I feel like Platinum's "luster" has always been wildly inconsistent. But now people are tired of ignoring it.

What is absolutely hilarious is that in the first teaser the enemies reacted to your attacks with flinches now they just kinda look like they have a nervous tick

People are quick to jump at Squeenix to protect Platinum, but I really do think the blame is mainly on Platinum. I don't know who exactly, but someone at Platinum really wanted a live service game to work out. Now they've gone and blown their foot off with a shotgun. I hope they don't bleed out from this. Or, at the very least, I hope Bayonetta 3 is one of the best swan songs ever released.

Listening to this made me buy all the Platinum Games on Steam. I don’t wanna get TellTale’d again

Anthem was a warning of things to come

Imma be real. As soon as we got details about this game, I immediately knew it would flop. But this was far worse than anything I couldve imagined. I know platinum basically made this with a gun to there head and that they want to branch out from their standard style, but jesus this was awful. At least on the bright side, devs can point to this as the biggest "I told you so" for awhile.

SE have Platinum do a remake of Dirge of Cerberus it'll be lit

if it pays the bills, eh. i'm more concerned with platinum being alive, than if they put out a banger each time.

I'm expecting to see: "Babylon's Fall - What happened" at some point whenever the details of development shows up

Anybody else notice how passionate woolie got when he started talking about pies?

Pat and Woolie pathological inability to blame Platinum for there own mistakes is getting annoying. Reminder, there the ones who pitched BF as a live service game to Square from the start. Square did not force this on them, they did not grab the reins and change the game’s direction. This failure is on Platinum first and foremost, coming up with excuses for them at this point is embarrassing

I've heard a lot of people saying this is probably just as much Platinum's fault as it is Square Enix's. Supposedly, Platinum came to Square with the idea. Take that into account along with multiple statements from high level Platinum execs stating this is the direction they want to go, and it's pretty clear there's some internal problems at comapny. It's really starting to look like it's not just the publisher keeping them down anymore.

I saw adverts for Babylon's Fall and thought it was just some shitty mobile game, no fucking idea that it was an actual Platinum game. How the mighty have fallen...

According to what we know, SE wasn't the ones who pushed for the live-service model, that was all Platinum. So let's not pretend Platinum is some poor victim here, they're fully capable of making terrible decisions on their own.

I mean we know Platinum wants to make games like this.

They could easily break the Platinum curse, they just need to find a publisher that will just let them do what they do best and not chain them to a bad concept, and that game will SELL

Y'know, hearing about Nosgoth is so dissapointing as someone who recently discovered the Legacy of Kain series. Those games are awesome and deserved a better fate than what they got. Ironic, considering the themes of Legacy of Kain are rejecting fate.

Man when I played this demo and saw that they had a premium pass and currency after they expect you to pay for it I just uninstalled. I love Platinum Games but boy this one is rough.

The uncanny feeling of a game looking like a "bad first-generation xbox 360 game" I know exactly what you're talking about.

Yeah, the big issue with chasing the GAS train and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle is that they aren't pulling the lever of a slot machine, they are making products that need to attract and retain a customer base. These people should know better than me that every failure degrades their reputation among their customer base and within their own industry, and that makes their next attempt even less likely to succeed. They'd probably make more money just spending all that otherwise wasted time and resources on making a standard, but high quality game.

I am shocked to hear that a game I never even heard of has been subpar. SHOCKED. Well, not that shocked.

Wasn't scalebound an amicable situation? Didnt both sides admitted it wouldn't really work? Would that be a shit publisher situation then?

PG needs a big hit ASAP. Hopefully Bayo3 saves them.

If there was any time for a delay to fix things up, now would have absolutely been the time while everyone and their dog is playing Elden Ring

I just hope Platinum just shat on that project once the suits came in, and were like "do the BARE MINIMUM and focus so you can work on the next project as soon as possible" I just hope there were aware enough.. early enough... I don't want them to die.. not again

At this current rate Platinum is falling apart so fast that in a few weeks I'll be able to commission them to make a Kill La Kill game for about $20 cause they'll be that desperate

I'm not against companies like Platinum Games pursuing a multiplayer just don't go into the deep end of pseudo MMO live services where only at best a few have become successful ie Digital Extremes, instead try lowering the bar a little like an Anarchy Reigns 2 or something, heck you want to make it a Square Enix project? How about a another game like Echoes of Time/Rings of Fate, but don't make it live service.

This reminds me of Sleeping Dogs where Activision stepped in and tried to make it a Rush Hour style game and then abandoned it. Only for Square to ship the game and then go on to try to make an MMO sequel that no one wanted.

A Kamiya-less directed Bayonetta game and Sol Cresta are the last lines of defense for Platinum? Well shit

I don't think that Platinum is totally innocent here seeing as they said the idea for babylon fall was "Nier Automata but it never ends." And they've made bad games before like Korra and TMNT

No one's gonna be playing Babylon's Godfall in a month

the video they're talking about : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLObY8h23rLRqas.html

Hopefully FF strangers of paradise is good since Team Ninja did a pretty good job with Nioh

Okay i honestly wish this lead into a bigger discussion but A PLATINUM MONSTER HUNTER WOULD BE THE SICKEST SHIT like i already really like Mon Hun but having a platinum style combat and or reward system for Mon Hun would be too good to pass up (if done super right) and it would result in me no longer having a life outside my T.V screen

Between this and Sol Cresta one word is coming to mind whenever I hear Platinum: Telltale

Pat is honestly uncomfortably right. Platinum is on its last legs and Bayo 3 will either make or break that company. I'm going to be real, I don't have high hopes.

They just announced that it's getting shut down this February. Didn't even last a year.

If this game is as much of a financial burden platinum as reports say it is, it's only a matter of time before they get bought outright. My bet is on nintendo because they're the only ones that seem to treat platinum with any kind of care and respect.

Coming off of 3 full clips of elden ring talk this is ROUGH but fr fuck this game its egregiously terrible and monetized

real shit, it surprises me more that platinum doesn't just bite the nail and make a gacha game out of bayonetta to pay for the rent in their house. even fucking gamefreak of all things did that to pay for part of there pokemon sword and shield dlc after the director of pokemon masters apologized for making a shitty mobile game before gamefreak and nintendo bent Katsuyuki Shiga's arm to the breaking point until PMEX became decent. I'll always have a place in my heart for platinum games and there weirdo touch but it's difficult to feel remorse about this kind of news considering platinum has been eating hoagie-sized L's like this for atleast the past 6-7 years.

creative business unit 3 is literally the reason square enix hasn't gone bankrupt.

2:45 absolutely agree with pat. I'm pretty sure it took me 15-20 painful minutes of trying to figure out how to create an account to play ff14 on PC and then 30 more painful minutes a month later when I was trying to buy the game.

Platinum never loses its lustre except for all of the times it does

I think platinums not exactly flawless track record is catching up with them with the way theyve been talking about selling and basically begging ms to let them do scalebound again. Squeenix has its share of blame for this fuck up but platinum did plenty to make that game bad themselves.

Woolie mentioning pies made me nostalgic for the channel of yore.

The fall of Babylon's Fall is accurate to the lore of the biblical story of Babylon and how humanity was punished for their hubris by having their ability to communicate with language removed. 100% working as intended.

Why does this happen every time? Like, there's gotta be some sort of problem at Platinum for this to happen every single time.

Cries in astral chain...

I don't want Platinum to die like this!

Dammit square!

I can vouch for pat about the square Enix account. I still don't know how to get the FF11 free trial I was interested in after 2 different support tickets that were responded to with total non-answers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone at Platinum say they went ahead and reused assets from Square Enix' library? I swear I saw something like that in the news.

Squenix cannot put their fingers on the pie, Because Woolie stole all of them

I'm surprised God Hand isn't talked about around these circles a bit when Platinum is brought up. Who has the rights to it again? Also I noticed something in Sifu(great game, love the mechanics) that the dodging mechanics were mapped in a way that reminded me of how dodging was mapped differently in God Hand for action beat 'em ups. I just think that if you had to go about polishing up God Hand's combat, Sifu was a great example.

It might be for the best if they just make smaller scale games if money is an issue. Cause it seems like these team ups with other publishers rarely work in Platinum's favor.

DISAPPOINTEEEEED!!!

Cannot wait for Yoko Taro to leave Square Enix any time now.

I mean at least Sol Cresta is good.

Also reminder that Platinum made a new studio 2 years ago for the sole purpose of making live service games, so it's possible this wasn't because some square CEO said so.

Did Square just think that Platinum could do the games as a service thing better than Crystal Dynamics? Because if that's the case they clearly didn't learn from Avengers.

Could Nintendo buy platinum?

At least is not a Platinum game made with their own money. They got paid anyway, peace!

Glad Powerpak's video is blowing up.

Seems Squeenix didn't learn one bit from Avengers. Not ONE bit. XD

$60 live service game filled with every mtx system and a seasonal game pass... or Horizon Forbidden West or Elden Ring or Triangle Strategy, etc...hmmm so many better choices.

This still just hurts that this game is so bad. If the 2019 version of the game is what we got I’d be playing that non-stop right now instead of… well nothing, I’m not touching the final game with a ten foot pole.

Having played the demo, I'd say it's more a early japanese ps3 hack n slash game and having a sqeenix account, it still took a half hour to go through I hope platinum has back up projects that aren't bayonetta >__>;;

Babylon's Fall feels like japanese devs who are good at single player games, tried to make cash grab games

I am still not over how ballsy it is to have it pay to enter, WITH microtransaction, AND a premium battle pass. How many years were shaved off the devs who made this? D:

Square rushing platinum into a gameplay design they're uncomfortable with sure reminds me of another massive humiliating flop by square. Started with an A

So....How about that Sol Cresta?

i was born in 1999 so pat is correct

Really rooting for platinum here. Didn't they partner with tencent a while back to help them get funding for the games they want to make? Also I'm pretty sure that Astral Chain sold well and didn't come out of their pockets and Nintendo funded that one same for Bayo 3. Regardless I really hope that they can get out of these situations.

i saw the account making account making screen and backed out so fast. like i straight up pulled out a random game disk.

In another world we got Monster Hunter meets Let It Die.

On the other hand, people seem to enjoy Sol Cresta. So go buy Sol Cresta instead, guys, if shoot em ups are up your alley.

I hope Max got paid the big bucks for trying to shill this shit on his stream

I liked Astral Chain. I don't like what Pat said at the end. I

Platinum have been bronze for years now.

No amount of gold made making these gas games, using money from the biggest gas game, will ever make enough money to make it worthwhile

Either Square Enix intentionally sent this game out to die, or they are incredibly incompetent except for their FFXIV Team. Probably a bit of both.

i played the demo and unfortunately it wasnt that bad, combat is like a mix of automata and bloodborne with ps3 graphics. it reminded me a lot of that weird game greedfall, both with a in media res beginning and fairly interesting story with absolute jank controls and wacky eurojank combat. was pretty fun overall but probably the further i get its gonna be like destiny 1 where all the hard bosses actually just have a lot of health. everyone should download the demo before passing judgment cuz it is pretty fun, but its probably platinums worst game thanks to square enix fucking with it and btw, i cant believe anyone thought the garbage account system thing was actually hard to get to, took me 5 min to make an account and sign in. i'll never use it again, but it was utterly painless

Here is the video they are referencing: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLObY8h23rLRqas.html