@Fries Madden 08 had player archetypes/roles in franchise, and slightly better gameplay, but both aren’t much different tbh. Honestly, both are dirt cheap, but if you really can only get one I’d just get 08

NHL 2003 for PC was actually the first game to have an ultimate team mode but it was called “EA Elite” and only had a one-time fee at the start. Clearly it wasn’t profitable enough because they scrapped it and rebranded it to be more micro transaction heavy in NHL 11.

You forgot to mention that NHL 07, the year they went to the xbox 360 generation that introduced a major innovation called the skill stick, which is a huge feature. I want to see a retrospective of NHL 07 for the Xbox 360 retrospective video please. you also forgot to mention NHL 08, the second year of skill stick, combined with new skating engine, 1 0n 1 loose puck deking system, create a play, create a player, goalie mode, create a team, edit player, edit team, create a team, it also another insane jump from NHL 07, that feature none of this, other than the skill stick. I Really want to see a retrospective of NHL 08 for xbox 360 please.

really interesting, thanks for makin this

@Fries what platform are you getting it on?? Last time I checked Madden 08 is always 5-8 dollars at least

EA Sports: Give Me Money

Spot on. Thats what happend to EASports... quality down across the board and its all about how much can we force people to pay past the initial purchase. Money > quality.

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No shit brother

It’s in the grEAd

EA moment

NHL hasn’t fallen as hard though.

It's funny (in a tragic way), because I thought that exact same thing too as I was watching this.

Not necessarily. Madden 2005 was awesome, NHL 2005 was the worst game in the series and got a bunch of EA higher-ups fired. Ultimate team did fuck everything though.

Better than ever

Lol yep

But doesn't NHL 15 and NHL 16 have the NBC graphics?

Still better than the Xbox One/PS4 version of NHL 15.... which is sad.

@@SylveonMujigae not on Xbox 360 and ps3 you basically just paid for a new roster

And Waffleboard and a young girl from Shawinigan also I love your videos matt

This same exact shit happens in Madden I could give you several examples

Ea needs to leave momentum out of it…let the clubs and players make their own momentum…ice tilt is retarded…they put it in the game so garbage players keep buying their game…same with all the auto stuff now all you have to do is be close enough to an opposing player and you steal it…ea got tired of hearing noobs say it’s hard or we can’t win and ea makes ice tilt and auto gaming to try and appease scrubs…go into the 3rd period up by three and you loose by one?!?! Against a garbage club yea that’s not happening…

@Tack Draas A common staple in all EA sports games

Eh, I'd say that doesn't reflect the reality not the games. 2004->2006 was a downward spiral of quality. The folks in charge were more concerned about back of the box features than making a good game. 05/06 were particularly bad.

Nhl 2005 is the worst nhl fall of the history, there is many things retired in the gameplay, like create players, a lot of elements when you create a team, a lot of things desapeared in dynastie mode like set practices, unlock things in the gm office, seeing results of investment on the team like unlock a plane for game on the road to upgrade players capacity, etc. You also lost the possibility to put a create team in the dynastie mode in the nhl 2005. Nhl 2005 were my first nhl game so its a must in the video game that i played in my life, but when i discovered nhl 2004 i realysed that nhl 2005 was a real step back

Which is strange because NHL 2K5, like NFL 2K5, was such a great game(I still play it to this day) and NFL 2K5 was so great that EA spent a lot of money getting the exclusive rights to NFL properties but NHK 2K5 should have been a wake up call for EA as not only was 2K5 a much better game it was about $30 cheaper at $29.99.

@@Rockhound6165 the NHL 2K games had some polish issues with their UI and gameplay. Instead of working on those issues, they started to add fluff/arcade features, meanwhile the EA NHL games started to get their act together. There was no looking back after NHL 08.

@@bcrt2000 according to this video there was because it looks like EA games started to suck.

Yeah pre game nowadays is pure trash

Yep. Small, but it's that lack of attention to detail that makes NHL so aggravating.

or getting rid of goal songs. i wanna hear the whip when i score with my jackets at home, not some random song from the soundtrack. maybe they fixed that in the last two years tho, idk

@@UserName-ts3sp facts!

@Clyde Wellington hi Clyde.

me too, i missed it a lot.

Have great memories of Gary Thorne's calls in '14

Then buy it again 😂

Was same for NCAA football

You really thought you were the only one? It’s a pretty popular opinion all around the internet that 14 was the last great game…

@NaPo7 just chose violence today huh

i disagree.@@napo7866

​​@@napo7866its pure nostalgia. Everyone probably played the game when they were in high school with their friends, which causes them to completely block out any of the garbage that was also in those games. The game has been roughly the same with minor graphical improvements and random gimmicks added in since the skill stick was implemented.

They don't want

2k6 nhl was goated

Why? They are no better than EA at this point.

nhl 2k on ios was amazing, imagine like a nhl 2k game on a phone, with season mode and all of it

@@user-gm4kv2my4u 2k ain't perfect but comparing their Madden games.to their NBA2K games shows how awful EA is. Basketball fans complain about 2K but it's no where near the shit show that Madden is.

NHL 94 was the greatest.

@@jonathanturbide2232 I wasn't a hockey fan and played the hell out of that game, had to be one of the funnest sports games I played

@@jonathanturbide2232 yes. NHL 1994, 1996, and 98 also.

@@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423 hi Mercy Grace.

Same here. Its the same for most pre-2009 NHL games. Ice Hockey isn't a thing in my country(its a humid place. Think of Florida) but when I boot up and played with my friends, we spent hours on NHL 06( PC). We don't know a THING about the rules, whos the best players, how to effectively score, etc,etc. Just know it was very fun slamming people's a$$ on the wall / clotheslining peeps and trying to score(personally, I went the one-two pass and shoot).

i love this comment because i always thought nhl 09 was the best and ive played since nhl 98

The NHL series was already toast by then. After 2004 it was just livor mortis that people mistook for actual signs of life.

It would stop if so many ppl would quit buying shit from ultimate team, I remember when it first came out I knew that was going to screw every sports game EA had their hand on, and it truly has

@@Radeo yes. Even NHL 2022 failed to tweak.

@@damarfadlan9251 yes.

@@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423 i still play NHL 1994 to 14.

2K10 on the WII had ROSTER SHARING. 12 years & two Nintendo consoles ago & EA is just adding it now.

that was my game and still is one of my personal favs of the nhl franchise

An ice RINK cleaner? The Zamboni?

2k NHL games were superior…And NFL.

Iirc, that "82 features missing" thing mentions that... which was never in an EA NHL game.

Yes.

Yep, and not only for the NHL games

My problem is that even on superstar, i win by 10. Makes offline boring. Hut i won’t touch and my friends don’t play so eashl isn’t giving me anything. I want to play nhl but there isn’t a single gamemode i can play for longer than a game or 2.

@@yourordinarytwathere8789 Imo the only game mode worth playing is 3v3 eashl. Versus play and Hut just dont feel like they play well at all and havent since 2014

I know it can be very frustrating however played with the sliders enough and finally figured out a perfect happy medium All Star level

@@lukepelton2180 yeah i 100% agree with you. Problem is, i rarely have anyone to play it with.

@@brianspellburgio5702 and then you grind and grind the game untill max sliders + superstar is easy. Then the game’s dead. We NEED more difficulties. I feel like this isn’t talked about enough.

Great except the glitch scoring. Sorry but if you can't score without that cheat then you suck at the game

@Danny P lets not act like he wasnt on florida like 2 years ago! But yeah ur point is still valid

Don't get your hopes up bud. NHL 24 will be garbage.

@@jIvEztImE NHL 23 maybe the last OK NHL game.

@@figo7ronaldo yes. EA would stop releasing NHL games after Nhl 23.

Hi Base.

Well, thats what monopolization will often do in the long run. No competition, no incentive to improve.

@@Skumtomten1 yeah and EA as a whole just doesn't seem to publish good games. They have ruined some of the best gaming companies ever and gaming franchises

I guess 4 is the magic number, not 3. (Props if you get the reference).

Nah it’s the 05 season that was the best Live 05, Madden 05, NASCAR 05 chase for the cup and fifa 05

@@therobro5089 NFL 2K5 stole Madden's thunder that year with the $20 price point and it being a great football game as well. NASCAR 2005 was an awesome NASCAR game. The only thing wrong with it was it did not have Pocono Raceway, meaning the NEXTEL Cup Series was missing two races.

@@dustman820 Yeah Nascar Thunder 2004 was good and nfl 2k5 is the greatest nfl game, but 05 had mvp baseball 05 which imo will never be topped plus madden 2005 was a great game

@@dustman820 Also Nascar 06 total team control is the best

Reminds me of the old ncaa football games where the commentators would make reference holidays based on the system date

Don't give EA ideas on what else to take out; they're good enough at doing that already! 😆

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Season mode is good to. You can use how many teams as you want in a season.

I'd go as far to say that create-a-team is the _one_ thing that the current-gen NHL games have actually _greatly_ improved on the past-gen installments. Being able to create my own 32-team league with everyone having unique logos and jerseys rules

Yes that is what I yearn when I miss and long to play hockey...to be the manager dealing with all the problems

100% Worth getting an old Genesis for

I grew up playing the original NHL games on Sega Genesis. Good old days.

I play 96 on Genesis emulator on my ps vita . It's addicting to say the least

The one thing is you don't get the whalers an nordiques but they replaced by another name, they still get the city name Hartford an Québec

😂

Yes.

Eh… not all of them. They only added it back in NHL 09.

New logo for a new era! Lots of new content coming on a ton of different games

@@SOFTDRINKTV definitely my favorite sports video game channel! The logo is great and the new 1 I love!

@@SOFTDRINKTV This is completely unrelated, but if the NCAA Football series had continued past 2013, how do you think it would've developed? I think it would've remained great on the PS3 and 360 (NCAA 16 or 17 would've been the last one on those consoles), but would've declined on the PS4 and Xbox One.

Yeah there was a mode with NBC game of the week or something. There wasn't an NBC scoreboard and broadcast until the next year though

I had the same reaction, took me back the second I saw it

And he BARELY talked about 98. I was hoping he'd at least show the 98 intro video

NHL02 on PC was the shit, played it with my older brother alot. All the funny shit it included was the best, bouncing pucks, big heads etc. Wish they added that in the single player again, collecting all the funny shit was so much fun.

@@michaelkeller5927 NHL 98 was a huge upgrade in gameplay and presentation from NHL 97 on the Playstation.

To be fair I don’t watch that much hockey but I would watch a game or 2 to see how you like it. If there is even a local hockey team go to it, I went to a local team and it was general admission and I really got into it. Take into account I’m from Alabama where the closest hockey team is Nashville.

Hi Jamari

You’re missing out

@@ajevans1422 I'll look into it

@@jkp5045 free advice: stay away from Arizona and Buffalo.

Could you imagine, degenerate gambler parent runs into your room as a teenager, gets you to help them enter the game cards, then buys 50 packs an opens them slowly. Where's the pay off lol

That was the most insane shit I’ve ever seen! 17 years old back in ‘97 when I bought that game and I have never been so pumped to start a video game. ‘99 had an insane soundtrack.

I was 7 and first nhl game i got was NHL breakaway 98, im guessing you talking about nhl 98 with forsberg on cover

Yes me too McJohnson.

No it was 07 that introduced the skill stick. Which remains the single most important gameplay mechanic upgrade in the franchise IMO.

yes and introduced the EASHL I believe. it has to be considered one of the best ever. top 3 easy

Hahaha

I got same thoughts but I was wrong unfortunately😬😬 -09 was last good NHL game to me🙄 after -16 I give up and after that I didnt play any newer nhl games 😅

How? I have two copies to play of nhl2004 to play on my 360, but they play so glitchy, it's unplayable. The crowd glitches in and out constantly. Do I need to change a setting?

@@KyreeseAlford1999 i have 2 copies! Haha. I dont think can change resolution unfortunately.

I think you should change the resolution to 480p or buy another copy of NHL 2004 for Xbox if both of your copies scratched. You’re welcome, dude!

@@KyreeseAlford1999 i dont think they are scratched. Maybe it cus im in europe or something.

There is a Huge modding comunity for that Game on PC. With updated rosters and graphics. Give it a try.

Holy shit i had my guy named lord karnage way back then too😂😂😂😂😂

Maybe you should buy a console😁😜

​@@jukkaramo3351 I own one but the problem with console is that once the next-gen consoles are released, people cannot continue playing the same sports game on the newer consoles. On PC people can play mostly any games from any year without needing to change hardware, something console user can't do without hoarding their older consoles, which is someone I don't like doing.

Man Gretzky on psp is awesome also i think it came out in 06 .the gameplay is fast paced awesome arcade style gameplay

Yes 22 is very good

The gameplay really is a lot better. Still a long ways to go but it’s a decent start

Swear I’m the only person who played 22 and literally couldn’t tell any difference to 21

@@Joemamahahahaha821 well there isnt that huge difference. But its still better. The gamplay feels more realistic and i wont even talk about the graphics which looks 10x times better. When it comes to be a pro and be a gm i would say theres basically no difference. They just added xfactor to that and thats all.

@@theold4734 LGRW

that would be amazing, along with NHL 2k5, NHL 2k6, NHL 2k7, nhl 07, nhl 08, nhl 10 retrospective.

Imma probz still wait another year or 2 tbh unless I hear of alot of improvement. Sucks I basically havent bought an NHL game in 7 years but what did they expect.

They got the horn and goal song correct for Montreal in 22 but I wouldn't know about the others.

Oh for sure, the game is perfect, feels next gen and needs almost no improvement! Just missing some horns and songs! They're so close to perfection!

@@guitarrocksX21 are you joking?

@@Joemamahahahaha821 obviously lol

@@guitarrocksX21 thank god. I thought so but I had to make sure.

They also take features out for no reason, only to introduce them back later as if they're something brand new, its a distraction to make people think they did more then they really did. There was tunnel intros (also anything else that was a part of the intro presentation), the national anthems, 3 stars, hipchecks, *suspensions(Whats the point in taking away suspensions)* , breaking the glass, goalie fights, the old skillstick from nhl 14 (alot more control over the players stick with the puck), Connected franchise, Be a gm Connected, season mode? (Not sure if thats still missing), hitting players into the bench, snapshot animation, stick breaking in EASHL, *Practice mode while creating a player (WHY!?)* , create your own plays, the 4-D pad celebrations or the LS goal celebration, live the life mode, All time franchise GM stats, Winter Classic mode, Be a GM officer customizer, *Custom Music (Another WHY)* , Custom audio, Ability to control all teams in Franchise mode, tap in animations from right infront of the net, International tournament mode, authentic goal songs, showing the live game scores of other games that are happening (Like in be a gm etc), Legends, skating through intro props, NBC authentic broadcast, Dynamic attendance (Just got re introduced for NHL 23), helmet numbers, many custom logos, a variety of goalie animations (They've improved this for NHL 23), authentic puck physics, all star game in be a gm, Stanley cup banner in franchise mode, trophy banner presentation in EASHL, the stick flex options, award winners commentary in franchise mode, Authentic Goalie helmets, ability to turn off retired numbers, the visual demonstrations whenever you used to choose strategy settings, ice used to effect the puck physics as the game progressed and ice got chippy, editing player positions in franchise mode, starting be a pro in the minor leagues, demonstrations of coach settings and types, being able to see over 5 years of past trophy and award winners, jersey physics (how youd see ripples and stuff), face protectors or bubble visors or jaw shields for injured players, assigning scouts to specific player positions, the mid net cameras, overtime winner celebrations, the custom camera option, winning a playoff series or the stanley cup the celebrations have now been made the same, mobile app removed, ability to see the amount of players online, favorite team option in the main menu, action tracker on all events, the variety of european arenas has now been reduced to one, advertisements on the ice of european leagues, I think the custom team captain european helmets have been removed, accurate NHL goal horns, players are all the same height now on cutscenes after scoring, they removed the custom color palette for goalie stick tape, playoff towels for every NHL team, Og collision physics, players fighting goalies, fans booing an opposing player who injured one of yours, HUT point rewards for playing any game mode, practice mode in franchise mode, HUT season length? (I think), predicting shots while playing goalie, gallery for your saved photos and videos, goalie helmets coming off, breakaway counter stat, enforcer system, feedback voting, numerous authentic jerseys, checking box scores of past games in franchise mode, ability to play "Todays matchups", relive the past mode, and lastly this is something I think I noticed. Since the puck passing is completely f**** in NHL 22, when you go on instant replay, I think they took away the part that shows what direction your analogue sticks were moving, so that you can't have proof that the passes misfire all the time, but I'm not 100% sure I'll have to check. Now a majority of these removed features I got from a reddit comment that was posted 1 year ago, there might even be some more removed features the guy didn't pick up on. Some of these features I didn't even know about, but it very well goes to show that EA will randomly removed a bunch of sh** from their game so that they can pretend its fresh and brand new later on. With every feature listed above, EA will slowly bring them back in, and since those features were already around before, it will be easy to implement them back on Next gen, and this list buys them like 5 years of time to be lazy and trick the fans into thinking all these features are fresh and have never been seen before. I think they're only removing things for no reason, to give themselves easier work and the opportunity to pretend like they're improving their game when in reality they're stuck on moving forward, so they have to take away things just to put them back in so that they can have at least something to work on and something they can say is a new feature, even though we all know it isn't new. Its depressing. Yeah the fact that the goal animations were from 12 years ago, embarrassing for sure. I heard from someone who analyzed the physics and animations of the game, that they still have animations/physics from 2007. Wtf, thats 15 years ago and were using powerful next gene consoles, why is there content from 2007 still in the game. Lastly, I realize that certain things I would've mentioned above as being features EA has removed, that in NHL 22 for that matter, some of those features might of been re introduced already as if they were new again. Like I think there's helmet numbers again, most of the goal horns are authentic again, I'm not sure if they've introduced the authentic goal songs again, I think the Legend teams are back, Skating through props is back I think, I think I saw trophy banner presentations in EASHL this year, but I think most of the other stuff is still missing or removed. So yeah, some of those things in the list might have already come back, but there's still so much that the old games used to already have, that have been stripped from the newer games for no reason, just to be brought back as if its new. It pisses me off.

The Career mode is pretty in depth still.

I don't remember hitting Injured players on their way off Ice though.

@@supersasukemaniac maybe im thinking of hitting goalies as they skate to the bench

I bought it as soon as it came out for XBOX this year. It’s uncanny thinking how The Show gives you so many great players for free by grinding it out. EA should take some tips from them.

I also play NHL 19 as well and probably won’t upgrade until something drastic changes. It’s also the last one with NBCSN in it so that’s also why I enjoy it.

I still play 19. Its ok but its been downhill at least since 11. 22 is a copy paste with x factor added. every player on early access said so.

I think by 21, they pretty much stopped working with the Ignite engine due to the impending switch to Frostbite, and just worked on some backend stuff, like the improvement to GM mode.

I feel you