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1. Have a signature move and complementary ability that suit your glass cannon playstyle, and no one seems to have any issue with 2. Lower tier "artist" Smeargle steals your move and starts spamming it where it was never intended to be used 3. Your signature move is nerfed in a horrible way, leaving you to languish in Ubers play with zero usage while still being too strong for OU play 4. The November 2016 "Dark Void Incident"

They shouldn’t have nerfed dark void twice. Either the accuracy nerf or not allowing smeargle to use it

The fact that Dark Void not only got nerfed but was released to Smeargle really started its “overpowered phase” downfall.

Regardless if Darkrai will be overpowered or not, I think Darkrai lost it's identity. It had its role as a fast sleep inducer, but now it can't reliably put anything to sleep anymore. It's become your typical special attacking sweeper/wallbreaker.

5:16 I love how having a weakness to bug is basically just considered having a weakness to u turn lol

Gotta love when he says weak to “U-Turn” and not weak to bug. Lmao

Ah yes U-Turn. My favorite type.

I like how Darkrai's weaknesses are "Fairy, Fighting, and U-Turn" because it's the only relevant Bug move, thats just funny and sad how GF hates Bug types

Make Dark Void great again

Darkrai also got Will-O-Wisp in this game. It gets Calm Mind too, so you could maybe build it to be a bulky Tera wincon. Wisp+CM+Dark Pulse+Tera Fairy Blast or Taunt? It's got pretty comparable bulk to Spectrier, with Darkrai taking physical attacks a bit better while taking special attacks a bit worse

U-turn type is really scary

Dark Void going from 90% to 50% was insane. I understand the need for a nerf, but damn... Just prevent Smeargle from learning it, he was the actual problem...

U-Turn Type is my favorite Freezai running joke

The sad thing is that dark void could easily be changed to remove smeargle’s access. That’s the case with Hyperspace Fury.

Interesting to note that even in the unofficial uubers tier, where only mons with

They should keep the "Only darkari could use this move" for dark void and buff it's accuracy to 80% at least Edit: didn't expect this to have 258 like lol

After a DLC of power creep and a suspect test in OU, I can imagine that Darkrai moves to UUBL.

Before the game came out and I saw the leak of Iron Valiant's stats and movepool, I thought that guy would get banned for sure. Turns out, it's strong, but not something people are clambering to get banned. If Valiant, who has a much better typing, the option to run physical or special sets, and a stronger item option in booster energy is fine, Darkrai would probably be fine imo. Granted, idk that the tier really needs more strong offensive mons, but it's hard to see it being more broken than Valiant.

I feel like flutter was just everything darkrai wishes it was and a complete replacement. Darkrais bulk is bad in ubers, but its more than enough to take neutral hits from balance teams. If you like ho and stall darkrai could be good, and clodsire will be just fine to deal

They did Darkrai dirty 50 accurcacy ON THE SAME GENERATION they made it unusable on smeargle, while being a mythical pokemon and thus being banned from vgc for life is way too much overkill Not only that but they gave its counterpart cresselia a new signature move while darkrai is left in the dust

Even with the Dark Void nerf, Bad Dreams is still a great ability to yeet Pokemon that heavily rely on Rest as a recovery move (Giratina, Snorlax, Ursaluna)

I think Darkrai should be tested in the second DLC. If its too strong? Maybe. Darkrai would be an exellent tera abuser. Tera Fairy would cover two of its weaknesses. A set consisting of Nasty plot/Dark Stab/Tera blast fairy would have great coverage and the last slot would be free. Every Darkrai will have a tech that can get past of one form of counterplay.

blunder policy could work as agility with dark void having 50% accuracy

Thank you for making this video, I've been thinking about this for a while

In my eyes, the problem would be that it's a new powerful attacker in a generation where defensive options are more limited. It would be adding an other wallbreaker to the pool of pokémons played, and that pool already has so many of them. This ironically isn't an issue with Darkrai itself but the OU meta.

Love the green hill Zone theme at 3:45

It's faster than ribombee by one point and gets taunt. I'm all for it. Also without u turn it's role seems limited to just being a set up sweeper.

Funny idea: what if instead of buffing dark void, they gave Darkrai a new signature move that was just a better version of dark pulse? More base power, and instead of the 20% chance to flinch it had a 10% chance of putting the opponent to sleep

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The way you do meta analysis videos are so incredible. Keep up it friend!

5:19 "common types like u-turn" - savage

I started playing competitive in Gen 6 and Darkrai was literally everywhere especially in AG. I personally would have kept Dark Void at 60% since it's an iconic move. If I'm not mistaken, it's the only move to ever been banned in VGC (it hit both foes)...

There is an item that boosts darkrai's speed tho. Blunder policy, miss an attack and boost your speed. Now imagine having a 60% accuracy move that either puts the other guy to sleep for a free nasty plot or that buffs your speed so you no longer have to worry about getting hit first.

Darkrai is like gen 8 Blaziken, it's only banned because it was ubers multiple generations ago and needs to at least be tested in OU

7:35 makes it look like there's another Rillaboom in the background with those lady's legs

I love that u turn replaced the bug type what a glow up

I've been thinking about this since Gen 8, I want a suspect! That sounds fun

Loved hearing the song for Sky Babylon from sonic rush adventure, GOATED game

Although it doesn't have any effect on the current meta, it will have an effect on future VGC events since Pokémon has announced that Mythicals will be allowed in the restricted meta.

darkrai is one of my favorite pokemon looking foward to the suspect test

Once Dark void got nerfed his viability in Ubers dropped significantly

the 5:17 u-turn mention made me laugh lol

Hell yeah

Conquest and mystery dungeon music, another goatzai banger

Something funny about Darkrai: Dobles OU decided to test him and It get banned in no time because an insane combo with Shaymin-Sky, a Pokemon that's not good at all un DOU, but It support Darkrai perfectly with Sweet Scent and Tailwind

I'm just happy this video had the Normal Battle theme from Pokemon Conquest.

Bug really is the U-Turn type

I love the subtle jab of calling bug type the u-turn type

This seems like a really cool way to use UUbers to see if Darkrai is too good there

I wish the dark void nerf was like 80% for one target and 50% for two targets. I think that would make it so much more balanced of a move

Just from the sounds of it, I feel like Darkrai would probably be a net negative for the OU metagame. While it does have counter-play to it, the core issue is that between it's speed and coverage (not to mention the nasty plot pressure) it will probably end up restricting team-building too much. Dragapult and Zamazenta have a decent chance of becoming more or less mandatory as Darkrai counters to not be completely overwhelmed (Committing your booster Energy as a Darkrai counter or being forced to ensure you always have sun up feel like they give your opponent opportunities to just break your team entirely. They just need to switch out after you've used up your booster energy once, and find a way to pivot Darkrai back in or overwhelm your sun-setter and now Darkrai is unstoppable) and at that point if you have to dedicate a team-slot to "Not losing to Darkrai" then it's a problem. Honestly to me it sounds like Darkrai has just a *bit* too much speed to be viable for now, and maybe in a generation or two (maybe even with the new DLC) it'll fit in much better. If it had like 10 less base speed I would feel different about it, but this could really go either way.

Tera poison would be a great Tera type for darkrai, aside from great tusk, basically every one of the main threats it has would be countered

darkrais animations look pretty nice in gen 9... hope it drops to ou though so i can have another 2d animated sprite when playing showdown though

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I love when you use Kirby Air Ride music

Considering the upcoming Roaring Moon suspect test, I don't think they'll ever test Darkrai in OU

It might be worth testing after Indigo Disk, but OU is far too messy to consider adding Darkrai right now.

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I think that Darkrai would be extremely good, but rather than setting up to sweep and being vulnerable to revenge killers, it'll be used as a revenge killer itself. With a Choice Scarf Darkrai outspeeds every booster speed pokemon as well as things like Dragonite after two dragon dances, and 135 base special attack with a super effective coverage move is enough to stop almost any setup sweeper.

it would be a 130-ish spatk that outspeeds everything but pult and zam that has nasty plot in the easiest meta to set up in (thanks ninetails) yeah there's some pokemon that can threaten to outspeed with booster energy like valiant but darkrais movepool is so vast that it can just beat some of its counters (like poison move + tera), and the ones it doesn't it doesn't it just siccs their teammates on them not to mention it has the fastest (unboosted) hypnosis. while it seems unreliable as long as you hypnosis when its safe (like on a switch) you can just fish for the opportunity to nasty plot. not to mention its speed allows it to fish for hypnosis whenever it wants for a decent chance to just take the game. also aurora veil can just give you an extra turn to hypnosis which skews the odds in your favor even without hypnosis it has no true defensive counterplay because of its ludicrous movepool, and even after figuring out the moves it could tera to suddenly blow them up or switch into one of OU's offensive juggernauts darkrai has about as much place in current OU as volcarona; dropping it will only make the tier significantly worse

I think it's worth testing. Many though Zamacenta-Hero would be broken yet it wasn't. Darkrai is somewhat reliant on Nasty plot but also is great at getting those through offensive pressure. Tera might be why Darkrai isn't worth having in OU, otherwise is just a fast dark type with serious 4MSS. Still, I would wait until we see Koko returning.

i thought of an idea from this video, thinking based on the new "UUbers" project: what if stuff could fall back into ou by usage over time. like this: OP in OU -> ban to Uber Usage in Uber -> fall to UUber Usage in UUber -> fall to OU

I love these metagame discussions

3:30 Umbreon is the newest steel Pokémon in the Pokédex. 👌🏼🤫🤔

Darkrai's a bit of a tricky case. On one hand, it's a frail attacker with a bad typing and a weak STAB move, while on the other it's very fast and is absolutely overflowing with stellar coverage options. A lot of the current top Pokémon do threaten it to some extent, but many of them struggle to switch in and one correct prediction on the Darkrai's part can lead to losing a crucial revenge killer. That being said, that same statement can also be applied to several other threatening Pokémon in OU like Iron Valiant and Enamorus. Whatever happens, it's at least interesting to see Darkrai - a Pokémon that once held the coveted title of the most controversial Pokémon in Ubers - at such a low point that it may drop to OU. Only time will tell what will happen as of current.

dark void needs to be unnerfed

i have no idea but i know it is my fav pokemon of all time including slurpuff (saddly got just darkrai figure)

Darkrai in OU is something we'll just have to see. It's an amazing pokemon still yet, but i would absolutely love to see a test phase where it's allowed in to test the waters.

I always wanted my boy to get a mega with dark & ghost type bc it’s just seems right.

UUbers is calling! 🗣‼️🔥

3:57 knowledge is a little outdated left in sun and moon but wouldn't knock off also be a solid option? All the pokemon who rely on their item and removing it does open the door for other pokemon to clean up. Certain pokemon might have been counting on having the assault vest to survive darkrai's onslaught which after knock off won't work.

i have not played ou since gen 7, and dont plan to start now, so i vote to do whatever has the most chaos in ou

Hidin brought this question to light in NatDex not too long ago.

I like how people never mention the bug weakness it's always u-turn exclusively

Given all the points presented I'd say the only thing that makes me definitively say to keep it in Ubers is Terrastalization, if that wasn't a factor I'd say it could probably be dropped to OU and it would be just fine there.

In my fangame Im buffing dark void back to its old self at 80, and because idk if this is even enough for power creep that it would have to compete with (Im trying to nullify powercreep for most of the game, but I want natdex in the endgame and that is likely when Darkrai would come in.) I may give it a move Im making called Ominous dance, a ghost type dance (oricorio go brr) move that boosts spa and spe

I love that u turn being its own type is still a running joke.

I thought that Darkrai would be an UUbers mon. If still there the power level is too much, then OU might be the way

Given how slanted the OU meta is towards offense teams, I'm not optimistic Darkrai would be very healthy for it. Not that it shouldn't get a chance, I just wouldn't place my bets on it lasting there very long.

I think it would be a case of getting banned due to being to versatile in a way that makes it unrealistically hard to play around without losing a mon even though you have a mon supposed to handle darkrai

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Bien condenado el darkrai 🗿

I can't believe you listened uturn as a weakness instead of bug

Imagine if it drops straight to UU

Darrkai does seem like a solid mon for webs teams

There is one OP build that no one ever knows about. SLEEP and also FOCUS PUNCH. And Tera Fighting.

Too strong with Terastalization for OU imo, but it is perfect for UUbers. That needs to become an official tier. Also, I love that everyone agreed that Bug-Type weaknesses means only being weak to U-Turn, since that's the only relevant Bug-Type attack that isn't Bug Buzz

Wouldn't sticky web make Darkrai a headache to deal with though?

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Compromise for dark void, keep accuracy low and ability for smeargle to learn it but give darkrai no guard so you have to pick between your passive damage and being guaranteed to hit. I think that no guard would be the vastly more common set but its better than having darkrai with essentially no way to put other mons to sleep or smeargle being op.

being able to change Darkrai’s type to something better, probably makes it too strong for OU if it HAD to keep its dark typing, I think it would be strong, but maybe have a chance in OU. But it can Tera to a new type and change its dark type to something else. the type of one of its coverage moves, maybe just a defensive tera type like fairy or water

Ah yes. U-turn. My favorite type

Ttar was RU, Heatran and Hoopa Unbound are UU, I think it's fair to question conventions at this point.

@freezai do you think they should ban Kingambit from OU? Seems like you always have to prep for it and sees 40%+ usage.

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The Smeargle theorem

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