same. doppelgänger was a life changing experience and me and one of my close friends bonded over learning these songs. i still play pt4 as my “guitar center” riff 😂

I was in flash class making shirt videos with this in the backround.

Same story with the demo versions of Tom Waits and Laces Out Dan, rawer but better than what made it onto the album imo

아기가지 and they had someone on keys, his name was Jesse. I saw them play this live probably over a dozen times when I was high school. Unforgettable.

Yes, I've heard a lot of demos/ep's more better produced than the end game. I think the more experimental the more better imo coming from early saosin,chiodos,Thursday early days

I liked doppelganger.

@@Yeomannn yes Doppelganger was definitely their best album in my opinion, music and recording wise. That album stands as one of the best recorded albums of all time I think, the guitar tones and experimental effects were captured so well.

I love that we are the same person lol because same

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Doppelganger is great but compared to this it's way too streamlined.

What in the fuck are you talking about (respectfully) haha I LOVE the sound and raw energy on the ghostship demos but also feel the same way about Doppelganger. If they kept the same raw production style with layered vocals (that weren't at the front of the mix like on Manipulator and all the other trash albums that came after) they would have done so well for themselves.

​​​@@zechs5079Doppelganger has a few songs that work better with cleaner production (I Just Got This Symphony Going sounds way more grandiose than it does on the first record, and I think Macaulay McCulkin's vocal performance was way better on the album version - the sing/scream duality is played way better and Thomas doesn't go completely flat on so many lines, plus that swooshy effect on the "you walked in front" part sounds really dumb), but for the most part they really kneecapped themselves with overly tight studio performances. The demos feel like they were recorded live - there's a real seething energy behind them, especially with how the tempos get cranked up. But in the studio, you can tell that they probably labored over getting the best takes to the detriment of that Hardcore drive.

Doppelganger, Manipulator and Ghostship are all 10/10 albums imo .. their s/t is really, really good too. But as a whole package - dop, manip and ghostship are masterpieces and construe a theme and motif that most bands just completely miss when making an album.

lol it probally too heavy for people

Same her friend

Same here old friend

they're really not even emo at all on the first two albums but yes post-hardcore

sounds like TMV imo

It is though, just saw them in Boston and they actually played Part I and I couldn't believe it. They played the song this way too and not like how it is on PotH. This EP is still my favorite thing about this band.

i prefer the demos for certain songs. the raw energy is just insane. this is also the peak for thomas’ and tim’s screams. they just captured the rawness, the technicality, energy, talent, and experimentation in the demos so well. this is their magnum opus in my opinion. and they were fucking 19 years old. i can understand the production argument, but i think if these demos had just slightly better production/mixing, the “final” version would pale in comparison.

@@leeumhopkins I agree that if these had the same mixing they'd be better, but the only thing I feel this version does better is the dirty vocals, for sure, and the breakdown in part 5. The speed... I'm not sure how I feel about it

@@parkourableAM it’s also just personal preference. i feel like tfot are one of those bands that are wizards in the studio, but can’t match the pure energy, emotion, and playfulness they exhibit in demos and early recordings. i’m just glad you’re a fan man. the band is so criminally underrated, it’s depressing.

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