Thanks for the sub!

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks.

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks. It was very fast service, I was surprised.

Thanks for the sub!

3D printed spacer, very nice. The Ginfull joysticks do seem to be a bit softer mechanically. I'm working on a setup to test the different tensions, maybe in the next few months I'll get it finished.

If you were to continuously pick one install in all future controllers would you pick the Ginfull V5 or Favor Union he tested in this video?

@@OmeliGaming Probably the Ginful v5's depending on which types of games you play. For context, I don't play competitive FPS games on console. I can live with the slightly lighter stick tension on the Ginful vs the Favor Unions. They've been the closest to drop in replacements without the need for the extra spacer calibration, yet still came up 5-9% circularity after the software calibration. Zero jitter and no issues with reaching the corners either as the circularity was actually a circle unlike the Favor Unions. They're not the fastest like the Favor Unions as this video showed, but probably the least hassle out of all the ones I've tried in terms of getting them up and running. The K Silvers had the same issue for me with not reaching the outer bounds and square corners that the Favor Unions did fwiw, so you'd need a physical spacer for calibration on those too if not using one of those solder on calibration boards.

can you please share your spacer? i have been looking for a stl file to do something like this!

A perfectly centered joystick axis would read 900 millivolts on the output. Of course, each axis has a range of resting positions. So I consider a near-perfect joystick axis to read about 880 mV to 920 mV through its resting range. If it's out by more than 60 millivolts it will start to affect range circularity.

I'll check it out!

It's not bad at all.

Do they come as an entire joystick or just the sensor and magnet?

@@metalplasticelectronics354 just the sensors.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 You can get just the sensors (aqua in color and it says "GINFULL" at the bottom of each sensor.

​@@metalplasticelectronics354 they come in both ways, circularity is bad with error rate around 19-20%. However ginful released a newer yellow modules with optimized magnets. After calibration with AL's software, i got 3.6% error rate

Can we replace them without any soldering?

Seem to, seem to put out an analog signal.

I haven't tried, but I will.

​@@metalplasticelectronics354I'm looking forward to that test! What do you think after using these sticks for a bit?

Take a look at this video at the 1:20 mark: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJ-Wfal1s9a9dGw.htmlsi=LpHxx6NTzB4-UMnW . You are looking for the output voltage from each sensor to be as close as possible to 0.900 volts. If it reads over 0.970 volts or under 0.830 volts, I wouldn't use that joystick.

​@@metalplasticelectronics354 thanks for the reply. Just ordered some and i want to make sure i don't install faulty hardware. That vid definitely did help.

Take a look at this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zsx7ZNaS1dyUiX0.htmlsi=uP942-chTiECG8n9

Do you know what the brand name is?

​@@metalplasticelectronics354he was suggesting what would be good

I just ordered them so maybe in a few weeks.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I didn’t know they were available to order. If you get into the test group like the past comment here, you’ll get it within a week

Yes, it's a matter of finding where the pad goes to, and running a wire. You might look up some videos on PC board trace repair.

My favorite ATM is the Ginfull V5, I like the extra smoothness. There shouldn't be any drift with any of them. They should stay just as they are until something breaks. Not really anything that wears other than the plastic parts in the joystick themselves.

Thanks, I didn't even hear that when doing the video.

Here is a video on the Ginfull V5s: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a8t0g7SSrs-UqZs.htmlsi=ca63bl8atc64QBNY . But neither these Favor Union nor the Ginfull V5s in the linked video will work in a DualShock 4. The DualShock 4s I've looked at require a joystick with one of the Hall sensors VCC and Ground pins to be reversed. So a Hall effect joystick for the PS5 is not interchangeable with one for the PS4 controllers.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 thanks for the info; and yes, I know that Dualshock 4 needs a special kind of sensor (yellow/black) and that's the one I've got. However, my desoldering skills are far from good and only managed to install just one. It seems to work, but need more testing.

This video might help with the joystick replacement: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdKomquUvq7SnWw.htmlsi=8ZgkFY8MvC__eKQO

I plan on testing it on the Ginfull V5 with the shaped magnet.

Take a look at this: kzfaq.infoSCEM8DuNlMQ

Shouldn't need one with a PC board for the DualSence now that calibration software is available now. These Favor Union are faster than the Ginfull V5 but the Ginfull have better circularity.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 thank you!

I don't think so. I need to pull apart a DualShock 4 and see how the potentiometers are hooked up. Looking at some pictures for the PS4 Hall effect joysticks makes me think there is a difference. I'll try and pull one apart this week.

I checked and no the DualSense version will not work in the DualShock 4, at least not in the version of the DualShock 4 I have. Vcc and ground are reversed for one sensor on each joystick.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Thank you so much for your response. I have a few duckshock controllers laying around. I am thinking about getting some favor union hall effect sticks for them.

Not really, the magnet assembly needs to go with the sensor it's matched for.

Not in the DualShock 4 version I've looked at. Vcc and ground are reversed for one sensor on each joystick.

I'm sure it could be done, but cost and power consumption might be the big problems.

No

I would now consider these a potentiometer replacement.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I rewatched your videos and I think I will take those Ginfull units to fix one of my unusable controllers. Then I will test it on FPS games (mostly XDefiant and COD) to see if delay could have any sensible impact.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I've used the Ginfuls and they are great. But the one thing these HE sticks have not defeated is actual centering drift. Sure they defeat ur common potentiometer drift but the actual stick mechanism at the smallest movement still doesn't always centre at 0 and will slightly drift. This is evident in games that have pure 0 inner deadzones like Apex Legends. Won't notice it in COD or Xdefiant as they have built in deadzones in the game engine.

@@OfficialMyMindset I think most of that has to do with the mechanical design of the joystick mechanism. I think the old joysticks from Favor Union with the metal shaft did a better job of returning to a consistent position.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 True it’s def the mechanical design and cheap parts I think. Let’s hope someone redesigns it one day with better materials.

These are pretty new, might give it a few months and see what comes out.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 cool, thanks for the info. You have plans to mess with it review them once they’re out to test the tech?

No, not the controllers. I'm not a big gamer so I couldn't offer much insight into how well a controller performs.

It's a Rigol DHO804, and it is about the cheapest thing I could find with an HDMI output. I've only had it for a few months and am still getting adjusted to it.

I can't tell a difference between these and the standard potentiometers. But keep in mind I'm not a gaming aficionado.

What about the ginfull v5? Does it feel different or is it close to oem as well like this ones? I see those have a better circularity

The Ginfull V5s feel different, they have a bit of smoothness. That smoothness has to do with the rise and fall times of the sensor output. I'm still working on a setup to get a good accurate reading of those times.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 ok, you think the circularity is a must have?

It's not the circularity that I like, it's that bit of smoothness. I don't play any games where a few percent off in circularity would have any effect, I just like the feel of the Ginfull V5s. I think if you are looking for something as close to a potentiometer joystick as possible then the Favor Union is the way to go.

I'm still working on a setup to get a good measurement of the Favor Union. They are a lot faster but not 40000 times.

@@metalplasticelectronics354Oo , right, my dumb ass thought it was 0.9 microseconds instead of 996, lol. So they are like 40 time faster right, or is it the fall time not a good way to determine their latency ?

@@moisesmendoza5998 Using fall time is a fair reference, I believe that is why these have a little bit of a smooth feel.

Yes, they work well. If you want the feel of a potentiometer joystick these are the best I've tried. I just like the smoothness of the Ginfull V5s. But the Ginfulls do feel a little different.

Depends on what you want. I like the feel of the Ginfull V5s, but they fill a bit differently than the potentiometer joysticks. I can't tell the difference between the Favor Union and a potentiometer joystick.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 thank you for your response. I want the best accuracy. I think I can wait a bit to see if there is a better hall effect joystick soon

No

It is my favorite.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 is V3 still good enough? It's hard to buy the new V5 in my country

Depends on what sensor IC is in it. If it is 93L35 then I wouldn't use it. This sensor has an extremely long fall time, I measured over 200 milliseconds. If the sensor IC is either 93L41 or 93L43 then should be ok to use. The 41 is just 20 to 30 milliseconds slower than the 43. Both have a slightly smoother feel than a potentiometer joystick. Of course, you will have to buy the joysticks to see what sensor IC is in it. I sure wish the companies selling them would list the sensor IC.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Thank you. I need bought it first to see the sensor name. The label is L-8J (I see on v5 is L-4B). Hope it have 93L41 or 93L43

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Depending on the seller you can send the store a message asking more details before you commit to buy.

If you have some old controllers lying around could practice on them.

Get one second hand that has drift and try fixing it.

​Maybe AliExpress was having problems. I just tried and it went right to the page. Give it another try.

@@metalplasticelectronics354 It doesn't

@@metalplasticelectronics354 no it's really don't

The AliExpress store name is Vaalpaev official store. Should be able to get to it from vaalpaev.aliexpress.com and should be able to find them there.