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The Southern Gamer Dark Fate happened

😂😂

The Southern Gamer to put it simply they killed 13 year old John within the first few minutes of the movie and replaced him with a whamen as savior of humanity

What the heck is a Dark Fate? It never happened!

The Southern Gamer yessir

Okay? so why did the terminator kill him

@@billymatthews4150 beacuse THAT was the his mission

@@billymatthews4150 every terminator would kill him, the T-800 in T2 simply had overwritten commands.

That’s right. Thanks to the Resistance’s mistake, like what you said, they send the T-800 to protect John when he was a kid and becoming a father figure.

@@andrewestrada6531 it was John who sent terminator to protect himself in T2 :P

Yeah. This writing is leagues better than whatever Geneshit and Dark Flop had to offer.

Technically speaking we don't even know if it was Skynet specifically. One thing about the future - there are inevitably some humans who join with Skynet who may be supplementing its decision making. Turncoats who bought themselves a little more time. As the Terminator can be reprogrammed, it isn't necessarily Skynet who sent him on these missions. There may also be human factions at war, or those who do not agree with John Connor's methods or history who'd potentially use a Terminator to eliminate him. The Terminator wouldn't necessarily even know for certain if it was, in fact, Skynet who sent him. He would only know what he was programmed or what his experiential data would reflect - and it'd be easy to manipulate a Terminator once you began reprogramming it. There could be a lot of layers to the future dynamics that we, and the Terminator, are completely unaware of. They baked in a doozy of possibilities with these vague answers.

@@BigMac8000 that make sense but how would they know that John had a T-800 as a protector when he was a teen so it make sense it was Skynet that next the T-850 to do the job

And even better with John knowing about it they can capture him before he kills John,that’s why the terminators last words to John were we will meet again

@@Rondog93 I agree. Those two are just pure garbage

I noticed that a long time ago he could definitely pass as his son

Too bad that changes in salvation

Yeah, this actor would have made a good Kyle Reese imo is Genisys, probably was too old.. Imo they should have used Johnathan Jackson though who briefly took on the role of Kyle Reese in Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles.. I thought he did very well.. Emilia didn't make a bad Sarah Connor and I wasn't sold on the guy who was cast as John Connor, would have been better had Christian Bale came back for the role, who was arguably the best John Connor.. (obviously)

Nick Stahl actually looks like he could be the product of Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn. Christian Bale, not so much.

Bro he looks just like him

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@@user-ce2ew4du1r English pls?

Dark Fate is total shit movie!

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Lol

Lmfao

"If you die, I promise, I will get _very_ choked up. Honestly, there could be tears."

I can hear Arnie saying this lol

@@dimains6011 With perfect sarcasm.

Hahaha

At this moment, Kate still hate John because he abducted her and knowing she will end up with John, I guess nothing wrong to ask that question.

I would have covered my ears and yelled 'LA LA LA LA LA LA LA' but then again i'm not as cool as John Connor.

Watch Dark Fate. You will know.

Lmao, their bickering was hillarious)))))

@@277imperator We don't talk abot that shit here

This reminds me of the Star Wars movies on how the Disney ones made the prequels more better.

@@doctorpanigrahi9975 this movie is ok. Not good, not terrible. Salvation is better. The two recent ones are the worst.

@@doctorpanigrahi9975 the end and the beginning of this film were really good.

This movie has always been good holy fuck you people

16 years since this movie came out and you decided to hop on the T3 bandwagon LOL

T-850 *

Different timeline by the way.

Whoooosh

Nah really 🤔

@@punisher6387 which fucked up the franchise

Exactly. I don't get the hate. It's a pretty good movie.

it was solid when it came out and it’s still good to this day I could care less what others think Genisy is the worst terminator movie not T3 or Dark Fate👍

I think the action scenes are boring, like the chase in the beginning, but the acting and hand to hand combat and the story are great in this movie.

And because of the boring long action scene that with the intro takes up half of the movie, I think the pacing is messed up. It's a great movie with slight pacing issues.

​@@emreevo8it was bad compared to T2 but it wasn't a fair comparison tbh.

They do have them, actually. The ones in the T-850 probably are either more powerful, or more efficient to increase longevity and durability. They mention it in T4 (Salvation). They use T-800 fuel cells to level Skynet HQ.

@@thatcarguydom266 Didn't know that. I only watched T4 once, so I probably forgot that. Hard to remember details from a film I found boring.

I think just the T-850 have two of those power cells, able to use one as a backup if the other fails, while the normal T-800 only had one and had less redundancy.

@@thatcarguydom266 well, standard model would be terminated after that plasma shot into chest, so yeah, having two of those batteries was crucial :P

T-850 was also have solid material, T-X try to decapitated him but she can't disconnect his head from his body and the plasma can't put him down .

Harrison Kopp Technically it's the same. The T-800 came close to John and used the emotionnal attachement to kill him more easily. The thing I find dumb in both cases is how Skynet is aware of John's attachment to the Terminator

@@TheKenji2221 It's not a stretch that Skynet in the future would have detailed records about what happened in the past. It also knows that itself only came into existence because it later needs to send back a T-800 to be found in the factory (in the first movie, an arm and the CPU gets left behind, the CPU itself helping the creation of Skynet happen in the first place.) Time travel is weird like that, lol. Basically a bootstrap paradox there that Skynet knows it needs to fulfill in order for itself to existence in the first place.

@@DeathBringer769 but if Skynet knows that it needs to send itself into the past to exist, how did it originally get created before it made time travel to creat an infinite loop?

You see his death in Terminator 3 The Video Game

AtlasPrime619 That’s what I thought too for a while but then I remembered that the scene was with a T-800. This terminator is a T-850 so unfortunately that theory doesn’t work

@@ExtinctDeinonychus Eh, they look the same.

@@inr9751 That's because Skynet used the same look for the T-850 to terminate John Connor since John never had a father growing up and the T-800 in T2 was the only thing that was close to a father to him. When Skynet realized that John had this emotional attachment to the T-800, Skynet used this as a way to get to John much more easily in the future by disguising it as the T-850 we see in T3 that was sent back in time.

No, John knows he dies in 2032 not in 2018. He knows he would have survived that surgery because he knew he had to send Kyle back to the past. All the timelines works around him and his life. Still, he knows he will die in 2032 and Will try to avoid it but its inevitable (infact the T 850 at the end says "We'll meet again") because no matter how you change the past the main events around his life Always happen. He will win the war but he will die and Kate will become the new leader after the victory.

"Not a robot"-Kyle Reese

That's what I'm afraid big we have a major war a massive EMP or if we let Artificial Intelligence get to advance.

Finalmente, alguien que notó esto, imagina que Skynet puede desconectar todo y hacerse cargo del conteo.

It also foreshadows that Skynet couldn't be shut down like John had incorrectly hypothesized earlier.

Modern AI would win the war in a few weeks current AI has defeated 40 year vetran go players and considered 2000 years of human strategy in a matter of minutes all our latest fighter jets and tanks would fly on thier own this new AI would release poison into the air and water there would not be a human resistance since Skynet was a defence network it would have data on guerrilla warfare and how to beat it And every human lost it would take 18 years to train a new one Whereas every T-800 lost 100 new ones would replace it and the Terminators could share experiences with each other so a freshly manufactured T-800 would be equal to a combat vetran

terminator was always far too optimistic. you cannot win against true ai, the only winning move is to never play against it by not making it.

I like the idea of people believing the john conner got killed by that t-800 when that t-800 was deceived by john conner and his wife that t-800 killed a cyborg that was made to look life john conner and play dead when shot to convince machines like that t-800 so that the resistance could then reprogram them for missions

yeah hes similar to the first termminator.

He’s just like the second Terminator, before John overrides it’s machine nature by making it follow his commands, and before Sarah activates his learning program.

And that’s what I like. John is unable to command it due to future Kate’s reprogramming, and Sarah is already dead at this point.

That's one of the reasons why I like T3 is because even though it's more diluted and family friendly than T1, at least Arnie's Terminator reclaims some of that emotionless detachment that he had in T1. He's a good guy, but like he said, he's doing it because of programming. He doesn't waste time being nice in this film, just gets to the point.

Agreed.

Your analysis has been noted - my systems are also in acquiescence.

This movie sucks but Claire Dane is a QT pie

@@TheRosyCodex Transgender actor, Man hands, Man Brow Ridge, Man Body. MALE

@@esasoftware1900 Shut up, you moron. Don't say nonsense shit about a good actress like Claire Danes!

True. Is it on the same level of T1 and T2? No. Is it still good nonetheless? Yes

This was a T-850

@DaScorpionSting I know. I meant spoke like a Terminator.

@@aaronkenyon7112 i count t3 as on par with t1 and 2. the continuity lines up. btw not all the t800 evidence was destroyed in t2. arnies arm that got caught in the gears was left behind ;)

​@MuadDiiib yeah nice point...

STFU

GTFO

crap. now i'm going to have to buy some more movies.

Humans inevitably die.

@@jaredruff9823 You sound like a robot when you say that.

@@mr.lostrythm7876 implying you're not replying to a terminator

I liked it better than 1 and 2

I always thought Stahl's performance was great. People seem to hate this version of John because he tried to escape his destiny, but that's exactly made him an interesting protagonist. It's more realistic than a 10-year old badass or Christian Bale still using his awful Batman voice and forgetting what movie he was doing.

I think everyone disliked his version as he spent a large part of the movie just whining but he grew into his fate and accepted it.

Stahl gave the best performance as John Connor. Feels like a real character versus the kid in T2 with all the dated 90s quotes and Bale’s growling in Salvation. Plus, the acting in both cases was terrible. And somehow, the guy from Genisys was even worse.

After all he's been through, it's a logical step forward in his character arc. Who would expect John to behave the same way after everything that happened in T2 plus his mother dying?

@Meta Man If you were to watch Dark Fate as T3 killing John in 5 minutes is the worst possible decision. It would be like killing Luke Skywalker in the first 5 minutes of Episode 6. We spent so much time hyping this character up, protecting him and watching him grow, and then he's just killed and treated merely as a motivation for Sarah. The reason John is killed is for all the other films that are ignored, Rise of the Machines, Salvation and Genisys. John Connor is important in those movies, maybe a bit too important. In those movies, the stakes are much bigger, but the plot is still centered around protecting 1 or 2 people, so it feels a bit ridiculous. The Terminator films had done everything possible with John Connor without expanding significantly beyond him. Hell, in Genisys HE was the Terminator. Thus, to start fresh, they kill him and move onto new characters. The outside world crept into the movie world. Dark Fate was a soft reboot, and an attempt to make a proper T3 which would've ended Sarah Connor's arc from the first two films, but mainly a reboot to start a new trilogy. They then added in Grace and brought back Arnie, so now you had 3 protectors for one little girl. Having John Connor would've had 4, and keeping Diego alive would've added more characters. Instead of doing the logical thing and not bringing back the T-800, they kill John. Even in the final version the Rev-9 is seriously outmatched. Now, it was stupid. First of all, if John Connor dies and it no longer affects the future because they destroyed Skynet, why would Dani's death matter? Why not just let the Rev-9 kill her, then he can walk away and settle down and run a drapery business and maybe he'll feel bad about killing her. Then he'll help Grace destroy Legion so her death had meaning! Secondly, the reason Uncle Bob in T2 killed himself at the end, was because Skynet could be built from his parts. Karl completely invalidates that iconic and emotional moment, why wouldn't he go to Cyberdyne systems and restart Skynet? Lastly, it isn't much of a new story. Dani is basically a Mexican female John Connor, a young kid who is helpless against the Terminator and is going to lead the resistance in the future. Which makes the death of John Connor doubly insulting, and it makes it seem like it's forced diversity.

Like Dark fate

@@thesebsanimationstudios1455 yes. Dark Fate has killed John Connor

No "Men" killed the Terminator franchise - Tim Miller

Oh John you have no idea xD

Think of it this way could be a different time line 😆

It's very ironic.

8 years

When it was released, everybody says this one sucks compare with T2, but nowadays you can tell it's much better than the rest of terminator movies

@ak 98 you say that except daniel Radcliffe was an alcoholic for a while and had his own problems. You can't blame the child star when their childhood gets taken away because their parents are greedy

@ak 98 also don't put... After everything... it's stupid... It doesn't. MAke grammatical sense... It makes the writing h.. Aaa.... Rrrr.... Dder.... To read......

yes,yes i can.

was norman reedus already in entertainment biz in 2003? they could've cast him as John Connor back in the day :(

@Trantor The Troll I was referring to James writing Dark Fate using the concept from T3

@Trantor The Troll according to IMDb and Wikipedia yes

James wrote it then Miller change it up to his liking. James didnt care because he was to busy working on Avatar 2 and 3.

@Meta Man Your wall of text fails to justify anything for a simple reason: your basic premise is weak. John, Sarah, and the T800 never averted Judgement Day, they merely delayed it until John, Kate and the rest of the Resistance commanders and heroes were old enough to defeat Skynet. It made sense and had potential, but it was also a risky project considering how bad Hollywood is at handling long movie sagas. Things should have logically ended with the Sarah Connor Chronicles series followed by Terminator Salvation, humanity winning the future war with John and Kate surviving...anything deviating from that was simply self defeating and an anticlimatic way to milk a cash cow. Killing John, the hero of the franchise and the golden kid we all projected ourselves upon, like that? Turning him into a villain? No way. Killing Sarah without a proper farewell? Another mistake by T3. Replacing John with a no name girl with no buildup in a bad film? Even worse. Like or hate tropes, they work for a reason. Breaking tropes for the sake of breaking them is a big mistake unless you can replace them with something as good or better....and the last Terminator movies were not.

Yes, I believe his fate may change because of it.

No (no se mucho ingles por eso no te lo explico pero el futuro es inevitable)

Yes and no. First of all yes the timeline has changed but not because of this scene but because the t-850 looked like the t-800 and after everything that happened in this movie made John realise that the terminator wasn't human( they can look and act like a human but john couldn't tell the difference after t2 and even called the t-800( model 101) his father figure) Secondly, because of the events of t3( john meeting the t-850, judgement day, etc) the timeline has changed but only in some parts of the future such as: 1. John connor does not have an emotional attachment to the t-800(model 101) 2. John wouldn't be killed by the t-850(this doesnt mean john wouldn't die) 3. The t-850 might not be created because it was created for killing john but there could be other reason why the t-850 was made 4. Katherine Brewster may or may not be responsible for the t-850 reprogramming since john doesn't die from it and is still alive before genisys And finally, no john wouldn't wait for the t-850 and he doesn't need to Although because of the t-x and the t-850 going back in time, the timeline also changed when it comes to the t-850 origin( remember in t3 the only reason why the t-850 is created was because of the events in t2 and t3 kinda changed the way john looks back at t2)

There can be different timelines but they lead to same fate same conclusion, we cannot change the future but contribute in the future that is destined to happen

Perhaps, but if he tries to change his fate, what else may unintentionally change? If he is over-prepared with soldiers to meet the T-850, someone may destroy it in the battle. If they do, then they won't have it to send back in time to save John and Katherine and they'll die in the past.

exactly, she’s super smart and perfect for the role

Nick Stahl's John Connor resembles Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese a lot, and that's what made me appreciate him even more over other iterations of John (although Furlong's still the best John)

what

so dilogue. very ideas.

Not fantastic but not bad either.

If Stahl's performance and the editing had been a half notch better, I'd be willing to give it a B+ to an A-, instead of B- to B.

The T-850 did say that they'll meet again prior to him terminating the T-X. It's likely John had anticipated his arrival and prepared the proper countermeasures beforehand.

@@SoldierOfFate But if John isn't killed, this terminator isn't captured and sent back. Paradox?

@@MannYSJ1080p Not paradox, Terminator films 2-4 (and even Genesys) follow the alternate timeline rule set. If you alter the past, the future that the travelers came from can no longer be accessed, in essence, stranding the travelers in the new timeline.

​@@christopherstanley4837 That's also how time travel works in Dragon Ball Z and Marvel

Mine too! I think that's why I have such a fondness for it

Same, I was born the year Terminator 2 was released. We both turn 30 the year of my comment. Crazy

@@LordofMovies91 I was born in 1984 the year The 1st Terminator was released.

Same here. I was only 3 years old when T2 came out so I couldn't see it in theaters. This was the first one I got to see on the big screen!

Me too.

Imagine what if one of the members of that family did survive judgement day and became part of the resistance. Later on once that guy finds out, he can approach John and tell him "Eyy you stole our RV!" 😂

@@seanvgmusic3630 lol! That’s a possible scenario. 😂 But I find it personally unlikely that the family who went out for a hike survived the plasma blasts as they were hiking throughout the forest. Maybe they did. Perhaps they ducked and covered in a cave they stumbled upon on their hike.

I still prefer to watch 4 as well, because it brings the story full circle (in a way) by having John meet Kyle and fight the first T 800.

Cringe

That's the best. Don't let people dictate what you do and do not like.

It's probably about people who realized how bad the sequels were compared to Cameron's duology, I think this started to happen because Cameron himself started to trash on the franchise, even though he said he liked T3 when it was released (there was a story about how he has to convince Arnie to act on the film because Arnie refused at first, if Cameron didn't want it to happen then he wouldn't have done that), then he changed his tune and basically said "My movies are the only ones that are canon" after Salvation or Genysis were released.

@LinguaTool what's the problem with his profile pic?

@@hayden6690 how?

let's not forget that the t850 can lie

Hey did you know John Connor thinks it should be illegal for women to fart

@@Endgame707 what the fuck are you saying?

@@j.d.714 thank you for telling me my friend

Same! I miss 2003

You're talking about appearance? Because, personality wise, they weren't any similar to each other, in this film.

He looks a lot like Kyle Reese. He could definitely pass as his son

@@dazh686 I don’t know about personality in terminator 2 we saw John Connor as a bratty 10 year old. Now we have him as an adult he would be a different character due to age and maturity

woke fate

Broke fate LMAO good one, they went woke and went broke lol

Twice Terminator 3 in the future and in Genisys as well. That's why I was so confused by people who couldn't believe that they killed John in dark fate. Haven't you seen the other movies

@@MMBN4bluemoon Terminator 3 killed John after he saved humanity and it is a bad movie, Terminator Woke Fate killed off John when he was just a kid because they wanted " a different direction " and then replaced him with a mexican girl

Nicholas Chen They got terminated

I think she was trying to save her husband with this move, by programming the terminator to not follow John’s orders, it should distance the two and as a result remove the vulnerability of attachment from John.

That and the terminator telling john that he killed him in the future and the date that he did can potentially cause a paradox cause john can take the precautions to prevent the terminator from killing him.

Agreed, I think she just goes: "Fuck you, you killed my husband so now I gonna make you go through a redemption arc and die".

there has to exist an original timeline where kyle reece wasnt Johns original father. Even in the first terminator that original timeline has been altered and weve never really seen the real OG version portrayed at all on screen.

During Terminator Salvation, he is not exactly the Resistance leader because he answered to the Resistance higher up leaders until he chose to break away from them near the end of the movie.

There was an alternate ending for Salvation in a leaked script where Conner and Reese are both killed in the ending, but the problem there is that it would have made Sarah's struggle to keep herself and John alive in the first two movies completely pointless. Bale's Connor was a high point of the movie for me not because he was fated to save humanity but because he chose to live up to that fate in his own unique way.

They kinda did in Salvation. Connor wasn't the resistance leader (in this new timeline he had to succeed the fallen leadership that formed), and even his warnings about when the machines would get better weren't as accurate as he was hoping.

@Meta Man Relax! I've watched all The Terminator movies.

It's still a mess with the fatalism of Judgment Day, that all T2 accomplished was to delay the inevitable. "No fate but what we make for ourselves" just gets thrown out the window

@@Mantorok12 Honestly, it DOES fit with the first film which implied a closed loop that cannot be altered. And really, the ending scene made the movie memorable.

@@christopherstanley4837 that's exactly the realization I came upon as well

It was always the fact it was toned down to get a lower rating that killed it

because Kate asked him, he was programmed to follow HER order's not Johns, because in the future it was Kate that gave him his orders post reprogramming.

@@DiMethylMercuryKSP 2:19 he answered this question though

Yo! At the Colorado Springs Comic-Con last year in 2019, I met T-X. And I also met T-1000 from Judgement Day.

Me too. They were pretty good.

Yeah, at least it happened in the war.

Nah this and the attempt to have it done In Salvation getting it partially done in Genisys and then fully getting it done in Dark Fate were all total bullshit if such insistence on wanting to have John die then give him the heroic death of all by him destroying Skynet forever with no chance of it sending any Terminators back nor altering any timeline at all Skynet is dead lost the war and erased from history and John completes his mission and purpose but dies in the final battle on the battlefield no more machines sent back and no stupid Legion created to take it's place

100% agree. it fits the plot. didnt care for how anything happened in dark fate at all. nothing in dark fate made sense.

@Meta Man Your wall of text fails to justify anything for a simple reason: your basic premise is weak. John, Sarah, and the T800 never averted Judgement Day, they merely delayed it until John, Kate and the rest of the Resistance commanders and heroes were old enough to defeat Skynet. It made sense and had potential, but it was also a risky project considering how bad Hollywood is at handling long movie sagas. Things should have logically ended with the Sarah Connor Chronicles series followed by Terminator Salvation, humanity winning the future war with John and Kate surviving...anything deviating from that was simply self defeating and an anticlimatic way to milk a cash cow. Killing John, the hero of the franchise and the golden kid we all projected ourselves upon, like that? Turning him into a villain? No way. Killing Sarah without a proper farewell? Another mistake by T3. Replacing John with a no name girl with no buildup in a bad film? Even worse. Like or hate tropes, they work for a reason. Breaking tropes for the sake of breaking them is a big mistake unless you can replace them with sething as good or better....and the last Terminator movies were not.

Yes, that was the case

"Hello Pops!" *Bang*

John Conner can't haven't been born in February of 1984. Sarah wasn't pregnant with John until after May 12th.

@@jaredruff9823 yah..you're correct not 1984. 1985

@@Harshan9129 Lol No worries.

Because he's a machine, and doesn't have feelings or emotions.