Sorry, I forgot to add, great post on the Rockwell class.

No more prequels.

Can't really trust the present creative team to not make a mess of it

In enterprise they established that the Vulcans have been preventing Humans from going out very far, so if that series existed it would be very boring and would probably be focused on politics instead of exploring

Every Trekkie has the same thought!

Well given that TOS is 60s jet age. Only makes sense we have art deco/diesel punk too.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 watch the 1940s Superman short cartoons, and this thing would fit right in.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 What's it's source, also? I've never come across it before... presumably, fan made? Also, any thoughts on Delta Dynamic's Horizon class - or Masao Okazaki's one? (sfmuseum)

@@chrissonofpear1384 Search Journal of Applied Treknology or JoAT.

@@glennlaroche1524 Oh yes, I found it. And the other one - the Harcourt-class. I'd seen the Rockwell before, as it turns out, but had not thought much of it.

I can tolerate it only as early version of Bonaventure.

I'd actually never heard of this ship whatsoever, until Venom Geek Media flagged it up, a few months ago. It does feel fairly clunky. Also, I like the idea of the Horizon-class better, maybe (either the Delta Dynamics version or the Starfleetmuseum one)

If they flipped it upsidown it would look normal lmao

And it did happen. Starfleet didn't become official fleet of federation until 2190.

​@@TheRezrois your pfp a young lord Shen?

It was larger

I suspect it may be early version of Bonaventure. Similar design was also used in Walker and Gemini class.

I think this story somewhat echoes modern western defense procurement.

I'm sure there is....probably has a goatee and moustache painted on the underside....

Both the Asia class & Bonaventure class were on the Battle Clinic website, a few years ago, as downloadable models for the Star Fleet Command 1 & Star Fleet Command 2 PC games. The Klingon D22 was also on there.

He made a movie with Anna Kendrick called Mr. Right, he's a hitman and she doesnt know what she wants in her life and the bad guy is Anson Mount, pretty decent flic.

Love Sam Rockwell's work, but (as this ship is, in my view, a Work Of Art™) it is CLEARLY named after *Norman* Rockwell.

Oohh that would be interesting I'd have to think about it.

I think they coulda used more Andorian lines even if they wanted to directly-involve a deflector dish. You'd think it'd a least *look* less like it was designed by committee, anyway.

well thats the thing with gap fill in ships hence its purpose a ship intended to fill in the gap which JJ Abrams's Kelvin Timeline (JJ Verse) Lacked in his concept.

I realized recently that Rockwell is basically early version of Bonaventure class.

I politely disagree, it reminds me of a retro rocket ship so it gets a thumbs up from me

Would you have preferred the Spaceflight Chronology's Messier-class?

@@enterprise-h312 I do not see the point. Messier and Marshall were obscure old destroyers, predating Starfleet. They were made probably by independent Earth faction. Discovery class seams more relevant, as they were used in massive numbers as picket ships.

@@TheRezro My question was more from an aesthetic standpoint because Relav thought that it was ugly. The Messier, Marshall and Baton Rouge were all less refined than the Constitution-class which made the latter feel really advanced and highlighted how far the Federation had come over more than 100 years. The biggest sin of the NX-01 is that it looks too good. It can't become much more refined than that. So my question was if Relav would have preferred such a design trajectory to going from the NX-01 into the Rockwell?

If you have a last name you should be ok. If not, then I wouldn't risk it.

*(Sipping Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster)*

"So, are you along for the ride... or am I just dropping you somewhere?"

it's mine. i came up with it. its available to centurions

He may want to be a bit clearer than he is that this is his "Star Trek Fan Fiction" designed to fill some gaps in the continuity in. As people might be confused and think he's referencing Licensed works more than he is. As we can see the Rockwell is entirely made up it's not even a FASA or Starfleet Battle design or a retconed in ship like The Archer Class. In that respect this channel is doing what Star New World does, which is to expand the fleet to fill the gaps the TV shows left, it's unfortunate this leads to Star Trek being very confusing when people use sources they likely shouldn't or just make stuff up, you see that all the time when people claim the Videogame mechanics of Star Trek online ships exist on the actual ship, when some of it is well "Space Magic" and not in keeping with that era's level of tech at all. The Franchise also has an issue with thinking things need to be a certain way and adjusting them to make it that way (Like adding additional Phasers it never had to the TOS Enterprise), which I am perfectly fine with that is after all exactly what The Star Trek Animated series did all the time too. So long as everyone was a bit clearer on that point.

Ah well that honestly depends on what level of tech you think fits in that period. If your a fan of SF museum it would probably be warp 5. But including enterprise I'd say warp 6

He already did in shorts

Already covered yorktown and posiedon. May mention the Harcourt in the future.

it would actually fit into SNW extremely well.

I'd guess the rapid innovation of the time and hostility from the Klingons and Romulans meant that they were phased out and recycled. Look at our naval history, a ship built in the 1990s are still pretty up-to-date today, but ships built in the 1890s were totally obsolete by the time WW1 rolled around, despite both examples being 20-30 year old ships.

military ships are useless for commercial operation normaly

@@anuvisraa5786 Not always true, the French cruiser Dupuy de Lôme was converted to a cargo ship in 1920, and a large number of flower class corvettes became commercial vessels after world war 2 for example. Presumably the Rockwell's would be useful for low volume, high value cargos or potentially passenger service. Operating costs would probably be significantly higher than a purpose built civilian ship, but depending what the economic situation looks like there may be a role they can be economically viable in with or without significant modification.

In my opinion Rockwell was Bonaventure prototype. It was not constructed in larger numbers, because until 2190 Starfleet was not official fleet of Federation and UE was crippled due to costs of war. I have theory that Bonaventure was base for ships used until 2230 (Kelvin Era). But after those prove weak against Klingon ships, major redesign happen with standard TOS design. For reminder TOS show happen when they basally already switch to TMP design in 2270 (Phase 2 ships of 2260 like Cheyenne, were made in low numbers, yes Discovery style always was canon).

Starfleet often operates 3 separate rates of fleets. So by TOS there might be a few left. But a lot were destroyed in the klingon war.

Yes. That's where I'd place SF museums ships. And the Kzinti war.

Actually similar design was used in Bonaventure, Walker and Gemini. It was before double hull solution become popular.

I think it could be early version of it.