United Earth I'd say would also include the Terran/Human Colonies set up by United Earth i.e. Luna, Mars, Alpha Centuri, Terra Nova, Vega Colony etc.

​@Beyonder No, we should just remain squabbling tribes armed with nuclear weapons and disparate goals on a small planet with finite resources. That is surely the way towards human prosperity and survival for millennia to come. That's working out so well for us now, isn't it? 🙄

Ajoelhem-se perante a grande Arethuza!

@@mbogucki1 Dude, bats and raccoons have brought all the governments to their knees. Same with our vaunted medical technology. Do you really think a "world government" would have done any better?

@Elron Why would a world government try to wipe out two of the most contributant regions in terms of taxes and wealth? That would make no fucking sense, it would be like the US federal goverment trying to exterminate the people of Texas or California just because they are rich.

UESPA was actually brought up in Voyager and Enterprise The Friendship One probe was launched by them in the Voyager episode of the same name, and the UESPA Logo appeared alongside Starfleets in the Enterprise episodes Demons and Terra Prime at the Coalition signing

Dannyvegas1701 I do now recall the ENT reference, however my VOY knowledge is ‘rusty’. Thanks!

Another fun fact, that very same episode also made reference to Star Fleet Control.

It was in "Enterprise". Starfleet was part of UESPA.

Coridimus I was about to write the same thing. Thank you for beating me to it.

Beat us both by several months :) but yes, I had noticed that as well. To be honest, this is the first time I've ever seen someone abbreviate it as such, it's always been UFP otherwise.

You beat me to it haha

Ooh anal!

It is UFOP

For all practical purposes, Starfleet and the UFP are dominated by Earth. The political/and military heart of the Federation is located on Earth and even in the case where a Federation President is non-human, their top political and military advisors tend to overwhelmingly be humans.

@@TheLAGopher I just don't think that can be the intention of the show. The answer has to be: it's a show created by humans and it's impractical to create so many aliens in modern times; and in the 60s, they just didn't think about it.. Anything less than that is an empire, not a federation. And practically, with 100s of planets, hundreds of members and hundreds of members pieces, just not possible. There simply are not enough humans; nor enough gullible species to agree to that. Your interpretation would mean that planets who are more advanced, give up their powers and jurisdiction to Earth, but I have never heard this language in ST. In fact I have heard the opposite: combining strengths. Your interpretation is a "pax americana," which is an empire in a prettier dress. The underlying principle of Roddenberry's vison can't be humans are that arrogant and self-centered and deserve to be so.

@@TheLAGopher I totally get your point of view, but I agree it doesn't really make sense for what the federation is supposed to be. And TBH if your description was the case, it would destroy the whole Star Trek vibe I have been on since I was a kid. Interesting thought experiment: had this show been created in the EU, what would the "federation" look like? I think very, very different. I think an important trick with speculative fiction is to try an write/create free of your prejudices and biases. I think the nature a person born, raised and nurtured in the American cultural milieu makes it hard to envision an actual federation--it's just not where they come from. Star Trek still offers enough that I can suspend my disbelief and ignore the obvious American exceptionalism silliness at its core. But if that was ever said out loud (came pretty close with Enterprise), that would be it for me and I think it would lose the international phenomenon claim to fame it has had since the 60s.

UK, not the US. Also, Cymru should not be dismissed as ect. When you only had one country to go. It would have only cost you two letters.

Ireland by the is a united country.

I mean Archer was an honorary member of Andorian Imperial Guard.

Thank you!

This all checks out

ENCOUNTERS OF THE 3RD KING - really story about our Space Family visiting earth and 10 men and 10 women went away for 10 years and traveled thru the Universe = In the Bucegi Mountains of Romania - the HALL OF RECORDS - a disc player and 10,000 metal disc's - One disc took 2 days to view and showed Star Maps of Distant Galaxies - 50,000 + years ago - Giant Space Ships used to visit earth and send down shuttles for supplies and to download information - Things here on Earth were destroyed by some Cosmic War of Cosmic Event = exploding Planet X that formed the asteroid belt - Peter Moon has written many books about these discoveries -

Would've been cool if aliens started referring to us as Solarians.

Yes. Those are the 5 I always knew about.

Earthicans Yeah, Alpha Centauri is no longer an alien world but an early earth colony

@@russellharrell2747 With a population of 21 Billion.

@@fenrisvermundr2516 woah!!!! That’s a lot of future space people. Funny that Zephram was the only prominent person said to hail from there

Root Beer. A little typographical error on your part.

Waltham1892 it's sweet and all bubbly.

Dragoninthewest its insidious

Stalin and the real frightening thing about it; if you drink enough of it, you start to like it.

Root beer is an Earth drink. Not a Federation drink.

Absorbed by Starfleet, just as Starfleet absorbed a *lot* of other agencies and functions from exploration to law enforcement.

Trekkie down under pretty much. It's a better analogy than the United States, because as with the EU, Federation members are still independent enough to have their own separate ambassadors and military, whereas as far as I know the various US states don't send ambassadors anywhere or have separate military forces

the European Union is a better example for what the Federation is however. The United States does have an ambassador for each state in a matter of speaking. each state has a senator and other members of the federal government that represent there States beliefs and best wishes. and each state does have a military in a manner of speaking each state has a National Guard Army & Air their primary purpose is to assist the state in natural disasters as well as be used in the defense if we were to ever be invaded by a foreign power.

Even the federation was nearly taken over by a military dictatorship and would be plunged into a civil war

@@anthonycunningham8116 there is a civilian volunteer program called The national guard They go through basic boot camp then afterwards two weeks a year they go and train; for emergency response for during national emergencies to evacuate the civilian population and the state Governor can ask for the national guard to reinforce law enforcement in areas where need be majority of the time they have stun guns and plastic handcuffs they do not carry actual military weapons unless it's gone through the proper channels in Washington. 🤠

Hmm. Somebody's uppity.

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Alex Ray New York didn't survive the 3rd World War

Anthony Cunningham I think it did because i saw in one episode in voyager that barclay lives in new york

Well Paris and San Francisco are already taken up by the Federation so Zurich would be a pretty decent place. However would Switzerland's neutrality matter? I mean this is the 24th century, do they really care that their headquarters are in a country that was once neutral?

Alex Ray it's canon that that the UFP HQ and Starfleet HQ are both in San Francisco

100mm tube of justice They haven't WATCHED the MOVIES have they??

It's fiction.

I had no idea! I thought this was a documentary!

Minsk certainly did.

What

Mat pat is clueless. Completely unreliable.

They're from the trailers for the game. :)

At first glance, you're right. Something here "does not compute."

Farpoint is not actually that far from Earth. I estimate Around 800-900 Light Years between Deneb and The Romulan DMZ.

It's the embassy on Vulcan in "The Forge", Season 4 Ep 7.

We don't see much of that since so much Star Trek takes place on the frontier and near the borders with other powers. Time travel episodes were the only times the original series ever went back to Earth. The Cloud Minders was the only episode I can think where they visited a Federation member world, outside of simply picking someone up. No one mentioned their caste system as being prohibitive to Federation membership. Kirk and Plasus seem to be on almost equal footing as each of their crimes against the other are treated as equal not worth pursuing for either of them. That would indicate that either planetary leaders don't hold particular influence with the Federation or that Starfleet Captains hold a lot.

Antimony Cup considering a huge fractional population was lost during World War 3, it's likely that little in the way of truly organized religions survived just as little in the way organized governments survive. Also, are in fact secular and even in the past governments tended to be secular with a distinctive divide between the church and head of state.

Well, you say that, but some religions even today tend to bring problems pure out of the doctrine alone, not having much organized or centralized structure as it is.

Antimony Cup They simply annihilated religion. All starting with Khan, who hated religion, all the way to the Vulcans, that made most religion crumble because we were no longer the chosen ones. The few survivors adapted but at the end faded away.

DrewLSsix the Catholic Church at least still exists -Phlox talks about attending mass at the Vatican and in one of the books, the Federation president circa 2380 has a meeting with the Pope.

Anthony Cunningham I’d imagine that any Christians - or any other religion - would mostly act like the Cultural Atheist Jew, not really believing in god, but going along with the traditions and rituals for cultural reasons.

It depends. Not all colonies are members of the federation, though we can presume that colonies turned over to the Cardassians where, in fact, Federation colonies because everything else makes little to no sense. So a lot of the Maquis would be Federation Citizens. However, as Bajor is not a member of the UFP, we can presume that at least some of the Bajorans weren't, though I'd assume if they lived on a federation colony they were most likely federation citizens. I mean, I'd assume people from non-memeber species can apply for federation citizenship. Seska definitely wasn't a federation citizen. (Also you can get into Starfleet without being a citizen.)

Anthony Cunningham technically where DS9 ended, Bajor isn't an official member of Federation but a respected ally and soon will be a member world.

Anthony Cunningham bajor isn't a member world?

TheKonka it is by the end of DS9, or is about to become one

I have always seen it as an intermediate step between usa and eu; its got unified service, but members are still seperate enough to warrant ambassadors.

It seems the UFP acts more like a confederacy. Member worlds still seem to have almost full autonomy when it comes to internal affairs. So not a Federal government like the US. But far more intertwined than the EU currently. A unified military force, unified economic policy, unified foreign policy, and so on. So the closest type of government i can think of is a confederacy.

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#earthfirst ;)

So will we be seeking the Bajor model? What about the possibility of a hard border on Cardassia? And will we be remaining in the Federation customs union?

earth Jobs for Human citizens. we will not guarantee alien rights until after trade talks.

Will aliens still be able to settle on Earth during the transition period?

You neo Terra Prime types are hilarious XD ROTFOMTR!

Craig Jackson the concept of the Federation basically means that in return for forming and maintaining the UFP, earth gives up what the other member planets still have. I can't explain it any better.

Well, irl its make up of course. Even "simple" vulcan makeups arent cheap. But In universe, perhaps crews are predominantly sinhle specie because its easier to set the life support. And even though Starfleet takes care of most things, member still hsve their own ships; there are (ironically human named) Apollo class vulcan ships in ds9, the Jellyfish in JJ-trek, and the Earth ship SS Russian-sounding-name-i-cant-remember in early TNG

Dave102693 Not necessarily. There is nothing to stop Earth, as a member world on exactly the same terms as Vulcan or Andoria, maintaining its own fleet to police the Sol system and other human colonies, but the assumption seems to be that as Starfleet has so many facilities in Human Territory, it's kind of pointless. As for what happens if the Federation ever collapsed, I believe Earth basically transferred ownership of Starfleet to the Federation as an entity and would have to form it's own fleet. It might get a share of the assets proportional to its contribution to Starfleet upkeep, but probably so would all Federation members.

Anthony Cunningham what you said is basically what I said, although I said it in a more finalist tone.

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I always thought it was because humans are insane and aliens are very happy to let them do the suicide that is joining Starfleet. Every alien that joins Starfleet is insane by the metric of their people.

It's surprising how many don't realize that.

If this "United Earth" government and it's mythical Prime Minister were canon you'd think they'd have been in the DS9 episode where Starfleet pushes for marshall law on Earth after Red Squad knocks out the power to make people fear the changelings. There wasn't any mention of a United Earth government or its leadership.

birdoprey5 ikr?

Yes, in Space Seed, they said Khan had been asleep two centuries. Assuming that's a case of rounding, you put it to the early 23rd century since Khan was described as from the "late 1990's". The 2270's would, however, be stretching a "two centuries" estimate. Squire of Gothos described Trelane's late 18th / Earth 19th century decor as being from 900 years ago, in accordance with the planet supposedly being 900 light years from Earth and assuming he'd been viewing Earth through a mechanism that pulled images at the speed of light. Early 19th century is more likely, since he did mention the death of Alexander Hamilton in 1804. It's not uncommon when shows get up and running for some things to not line up as they are presented later. They need to get the early episodes written and filmed in time to air and often the series bible is a work in progress. Note how The Enemy Within never brings up shuttle craft.

I wish they had stayed true to that premise.

Probably Prague

Migrant Thought that horrible video. Which one?

Man in the Black Hat The one where he says the Federation was Fascist. I like Matpat and film theory, but that was a horrible episode.

I didn't like that video either. To claim that the Federation is fascist is to clearly ignore the avaible facts. Although, knowing Matpat, that was probably the intention

Alex Ray Matpat isn't a fan of the series. He is obsessed with star wars and is one of those fans who refuses to like both shows and would rather hate on trek. He pretends to be unbiased but he really is. I'm still a fan tho but it's pretty obvious

Mo Uddin I didn’t notice anything. But then again, I’m pretty bad at reading people, so yeah.

Randy Bentley I've read numerous non canon suggestions, quite a lot seem to refer to London

That does make sense. A city of like age and cultural significance that is also fairly close by would make for a great location for what is essentially a " regional " governing body.

I had always thought Geneva would make sense. Or NYC, and it's UN compound.

I can see Geneva more than NYC being the choice of the two as there might be some slight animosity between the former foes.

Randy Bentley good point, and Geneva is beside Paris all things considered.

Marcus W my thoughts exactly -there is reference to various 'national' institutions and events enduring even in the era of the UE and the UFP-after the Breen attack San Francisco in DS9, non canon sources refer to a visit to the city by the PM of Earth, the UFP president AND the President of the United States, and there is reference to the British still having a royal family and events such as the Olympics still occurring. Some level of local identity seems to persist on Earth even if it's just powerless focuses for local tradition. Of course it would be interesting to see what power remains in the hands of say the US government in the 24th century. If the UFP basically regulates commerce and trade between members and it's 'economic' relations with non UFP members (not that the economics of the 24th century is comparable to today), and presumably regulates Starfleet in a similar manner to how NATO is run, and one would assume cajoles its members into shared foreign policy goals, then the Earth government must presumably mirror those duties at a lower level not claimed by the UFP in human territory So for example UE presumably regulates relations between Earth and it's colonies, regulates it's resources and ensures all areas adhere to UE and Earth laws, and presumably polices the Human territories with its own separate military. What about the subdivisions of Earth then? Is the US Congress just a glorified city government maintaining the local schools and public transporters? What about the States, or the lower levels of government such as counties or city government? How many layers of government does the average human have to deal with?

Anthony Cunningham I think the UE is assume it’s like a more intense version of the European Union each member has mostly total authority, over its own affairs, except for freedom of movement, trade inside the block (Eu market) trade policy, trade tariffs etc etc (Let’s ignore that the U.K. is leaving and many nations inside the EU is getting angry of being told what to do by unelected officials and more members are threatening to leave if things don’t change) So I think it’s how it goes is 1.each nation more or less sets it’s own internal laws, in their own systems of government. (But all are democracy’s as it’s the 22nd-24th century) so their president or prime ministers are still pretty powerful. 2. ALL earth nations are members of the UE (like their are members of the Eu) they have overall laws that must be adhered to as members like execution is strictly forbidden under any circumstances, right to health care blah blah. Internal trade policy (internal to Earth) 3. The president of earth is actually the president of the UE commission (like their is a president of the EU (European Union) parliament however I’m assuming this UE (United earth) is elected by the members of the United earth parliament. not the people themselves. The people vote for UEMP (United earth members parliament who they then vote for the president/leader) that’s how it works in a parliamentary system. please note i can’t see a total presidential system working here it’s too complex. 4. The president of the UE (United earth) remember voted in by the elected members of United earth parliament (I’m assuming each nation is aloud a certain amount) has power but only limited by what the members of the UE Will give them, it’s not a good idea for the UE president to get too power happy as members might withdraw. (Like the U.K. from the Eu) 5. all world leaders of each nation meet up every so often have summits to discuss internal matters and courses of action can be taken legislative agendas set (i am assuming each president/ prime minister of nations has veto power or the others can’t without majority) 6. Star fleet is NATO, all members of earth contribute a set amount of their GDP (whatever economy’s are like them) to defence like 2% min is required by natio except only the USA and the U.K. meet that target and then some 7. The federation is like the UE but on interstellar scale but has absolutely no authority to interfere with the internal governments of each world (their not that’s said in Star Trek it’s extremely forbidden) but all members must stick to certain rules and those rules can only be changed by majority of members voting. but each world appoints!!! Not elects members to serve as their represetiuvies of the fed. This is the only way I can see a United earth government working so it’s not actually a government per say! It’s more a united member government but with very limited power to affect anything on a global scale Each nation USA U.K. France, Germany Australia etc all still Retain pretty much total authority of their own internal affairs. And still have prime ministers and presidents. But it’s politics so I have no doubt even in the future certain members have a lot more power than others like the USA and the U.K. have far more than say Jamaica or New Zealand (no shade to them) So each nation in its collective form as one coming together serves as the legislative (makes the laws) and the UE parliament is the executive (lords or The Senate the regulatory upper chamber) And the federation is a very light federal alliance but not government more a let’s all get along and be friends collective defence trade etc but with totally no interference inside each planet) Their are still nation elections, and then their are UE elections where people elect their members to serve for them in the UE parliament and those elected members elect a president. You can bet your ass a lot of internal lobbying goes on lol. They was long lol but I think that’s it it works. It makes sense

Marcus W not a bad idea. Basically it would work by the Federation simply having a law that states "any power to legislate, specifically delegated by the members to the Federation, shall be presumed to remain with the members, to use as they wish except in such times where said law contradicts the articles of this charter" And then the UE constitution cam have exactly the same rule for the nations of Earth, effectively stating they can pass any law provided they do not contradict the rights and powers delegated to Earth and the Federation in their respective charters and constitutions

Anthony Cunningham well you clearly are much better than me you condensed that into two short paragraphs lol but yeah exactly I just don’t see a total supreme global government.

The human race learned to work together as a result of first contact with Vulcan causing humanity to see Earth as the human homeworld for the first time. The Vulcans provided reconstruction aid and diplomatic assistance as the various Earth coalitions rebuilt the world after WWIII and slowly formed a unified planetary government with Australia being the last nation to sign on. As far as Cetaceans went, humanity drove the humpback whale to extinction in the early 21st century. By the 23rd century, with the reintroduction of the Humpback whale to Earth's ecology, the Federation had recognized basic inalienable rights for cetaceans.

@@TheLAGopher Fascinating!! Any episodes or books discussing human/cetacean communication? Can the two species "speak" to each other in the 24rd century?

You can use both but i prefer using UFP :)

Yes I want him to make one too guess I'm ignored also

Probably due to a central location in the quadrant?

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You better hope they run things with proportional representation rather than representation by population.

It is strange, but the UE had a prime minister when the video was made, but in Discovery it had a president... Maybe they can reform the Constitution?

I don't think the writers of Discovery worked hard to stay in Canon. That being said, there are countries with semi-presidential systems, including France and russia. From a quick Google search, the French system of government seems to have been carried over in several of their former colonies. Algeria, Haiti and the Democratic Republic of the Congo all have mixed executives.

Michael Hughes No, because they are a democracy.

Michael Hughes what do a king and queen have to do with a prime minister?

What on Earth makes you think they have a Monarch simply because there is a Prime Minister?

Sergente A plenty of countries with a monarch are democracies. Spain, holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the list goes on...

Michael Hughes I highly doubt monarchies exist on Earth, UE is a Federal Democracy as well as the Federation, much like the United States.

I would argue UE is UN in better. But yes