@David Martin Bollocks

Being a dick head on Twitter isn’t helping the game. There was nothing remotely altruistic about his video, it was self serving in the extreme.

There were some good points made by Alex Goode on house of Rugby. Publicly scrutinizing the refs isn't going to attract many people to ref in the future. He could have sent the video to world rugby, he didn't need to make it public.

@@dbjmk8083 How dare you mention HoR on this channel!?! 😂 TBF though Rassie did, those style videos are literally what they send to the Refs/WR to get feedback on. I respect the point but feel its overblown. Refs get far worse abuse in soccer and there are still refs who want to do it. The no public criticism of refs thing means that if the broader systems are failing, or individual refs are, then that can't even be discussed? The law that you can't publicly criticise refs has good intentions. But if that rule prevents the standard of refs improving, or allows WR to ignore the broader systemic issues then that has to be addressed too. I also don't buy into the notion that if reasonable criticism suddenly were allowed, the game would just become soccer overnight. So long as the critiques are reasonable, measured, and respectful it won't change the game.

@@Doradexplora lmao, should have thought about that, could you talk about the beef for a moment? Not sure what happened. I agree it won't descend into football over night, the gentleman culture is too strong but the degeneration could start with a single moment and so it should be condemned.

@@dgmclar World cup winning coach 👏

Funny how rugby is getting more complicated year after year but still have only one ref in charge. You have 3 other refs more or less twiddling their thumbs and not used as they could be.

I disagree. I think he was arguing that his team wasn't getting the respect ot was entitled to, and was suffering bad decisions due to unconscious bias. But that's just me.

If only Gats had picked Marcus Smith, Danny Care and Donners in the original touring squad. Now that's a ready made spine of a team to build around!

Try head butt the world head butting champions was his take. Never ends well for the other side.

Cloak and daggers.

People are missing the pojnt and Erasmus explained. He has issues with the ref dodging the team wanting interpretations. Berry was biting calls. Asleep at 5 am. Etc And then high perf of WR doenst seem to have structures in place to get answers in a time to apply into training. He’s addressing the elephant in room. Sayjng things we all thinking. Sick of talking on Monday about the fuckimg ref instead game.

Out of all the chat shows thsi week. Jerry nailed it. You can tell he really knows Rassie and Jaques. Spot on

Spot on. Marius Jonker's voice was crackling throughout the reviews and ended up overcompensating. The assertions made didn't have proof but were baseless attacks on someone's integrity compared to Rassie who came up with evidence.

I dont think it was just that, but the narrative that rassie had just gone mad or was acting childishly was nonsense. Being honest there was about 5 different reasons i think he did it. Specifics of the tests asides, I think he was also finally airing in public an issue many,many top coaches have had for years with the standard and consistency of refing. If nothing else, I hope WR sit up and take notice (even if Rassie gets the book thrown at him over it)

@David Martin their bias has been outstanding at best. If they had lost due to bad officiating in the 1st test you wouldn't have never heard the end of it. To this day they still whinge about Tana Umaga in 05 and Schalk Burger is 09.

One thing that doesn't really get mentioned, is that Rassie mentions that he was told in the leadup to the 1st test, that the refs would be looking to penalise certain things. Collapsing and slowing down ball from rucks as an example. He must have then told his guys not to do that, even though it would have been something that they would have liked to have done to slow down the Lions ball. To see clear examples of that not penalised so soon after that, was probably a contributing factor to releasing the video.

... and yet he barely got a mention pre-match before the side was picked. Smith this, Smith that.

Qi

That would be fascinating

Wouldn’t want him, he’s an absolute disgrace and does not respect the game.

@@TheDandob1982 🤡

@David Martin lol...we wouldn't want to think that but we shouldn't be naive to think that it's not possible.

The refs get these types of videos off coaches every week, it is not anything new that Rassie did. I don't know why people don't understand that the issue is he went public and brought the game into disrepute. People are acting like Rassie is the first coach to send the referee a review of the game!

@@raydenwins1071 No, sir. I think the biggest issue was that he(Rassie) went to the ref on Sunday off camera to ask if he could send footage of the game to be answered which seemed to not be a problem initially (which I can imagine should always be the case based on what you're telling me) so what seemed initially possible in terms of getting his(ref) interpretation and understanding of the refereeing decisions (all this done off camera and through correct respective World Rugby channels) to getting an answer back only on Wednesday morning leaving Rassie with only one session left to practise and correct certain things based on the feedback given, I think might have pissed Rassie off a bit.. And rightly so. I mean if you made mistakes then you want to know what they were to fix them asap as players and coaches especially if you're playing in 7 day's time again. Just makes sense. So if you watch the famous video back that was the bases of the criticism and secondary some of the ref calls which were some bloody bad ones mind you! 8 seconds to 28 seconds advantage given. Mind blowing. The second problem was that I think World Rugby and the ref spoke about 6 Nations "and that's how we do it in the 6 Nations" that got to Rassie a little bit and understandable so. This is the Springboks vs B&I Lions and it comes once every 12 years, my friend. It's not the 6 Nations. And thirdly, Rassie had won a: Rugby Championship(which includes a win in NZ), a World Cup and looks to be on the brink of winning a very good B&I Lions tour given the circumstances, too in less than 4 years. I'm afraid someone needs to tell refs and World Rugby sorry is not good enough. And I think if he wins the series come Saturday, this would be just another stroke of genius by Rassie Erasmus. 🇿🇦

So we expect the refs to be perfect? Players aren’t, coaches aren’t? I hardly think the threat of a public pile-on instigated by coaches is likely to improve officiating.

@@GH-qp6dn I think sort out the feedback immediately and give constructive feedback as a ref. Take accountability then you should have a leg to stand on. As a ref and as WR. I think the difference between blowing 8 sec Bok advantage to 28 sec to that of the Lions is a bit careless and deliberate if you ask me. I can't see any other explanation. And if anyone can't see that then I'm afraid it's not a conversation anymore it becomes an argument. Which I wil not be doing.

If South Africa didn't rest every 30 seconds the score would have been 50 - 0 to the Lions. Hopefully the french ref keeps a normal tempo this week and SA will be gassed.

I would hate us to do that, whether there are 1 or 100 decisions that go against us. Rassie has set a terrible example to young players all round the world, it’s now open season on officials.

Nope it's not his fault they chose not to make their own videos, Clive Woodward made his video after losing to the All Blacks.

Imagine Gatland making a video showing another 26 ref errors favouring Boks. Club ref would make less errors. This was necessary as all coaches will benefit. The authorities are the problem. The old farts Will Carling spoke about.

Well they make these types of presentations to refs week in, week out to try understand the game and what the players did wrong. This is one of the first times a coaching staff member made it "public".

Rassie asked for feedback on the Sunday, he was told the guy was sleeping, he didn't get any answers until the Tuesday. That and inconsistency is the beef. Nothing stupid about that.

Looked stupid and his team crushed the lions. I'm happy to look stupid and destroy you on the field. 3 world cups to the boks... how many between all the lions nations??

What a disgusting slur to make.

Defending the indefensible again.

owen took 10 years to kick his penalty at the end of the first test, please just dont.

Yup and crushed the lions by 18 points. First test was lost by 5. With two tries pulled back. One mall try by the lions in two tests...

Why is he a fake? Interested

Fake? Don't day things just fort likes, it's embarrassing!

@@paulbeavan220 don't write comments with incorrect words and poor spelling. Its embarrassing

What do you mean by a fake??

That's right, hide behind somebody's spell check! Another keyboard warrior hey? Wimp 👍