The First F-Bomb in 'Star Wars' Was Meant to Spark the Entire Rebellion on 'Andor' | Making A Scene

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Showrunner Tony Gilroy, director Benjamin Carin, actress Fiona Shaw and cinematographer Damián García breakdown how the first F-Bomb in 'Star Wars' was meant to spark the entire rebellion on 'Andor.'
*All interviews conducted in April 2023.
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@double09
@double09 11 ай бұрын
"Fuck the Empire" is Metal, for sure. But its just a middle finger to authority. "Fight the Empire" is 1000x more controversial because its a direct call to rebellion.
@IndySidhu88
@IndySidhu88 11 ай бұрын
Very well put, agreed.
@kirkdarling4120
@kirkdarling4120 11 ай бұрын
Yes, absolutely.
@5Amigos32
@5Amigos32 11 ай бұрын
Big agree
@gibn1542
@gibn1542 11 ай бұрын
that scene got me teared up, it was compelling as hell. while the outtake sounds hilarious, I think keeping her 'f*ck' take wouldn't have made me so emotional so much as getting distracted by that and think "did she just say f*ck in a disney star wars ip?"
@palpatinesboi9549
@palpatinesboi9549 11 ай бұрын
I don't think it's valid to think that would be weird "in a Disney Star Wars IP", because it would be weird in Star Wars in general. The f-word has never been in a single piece of Star Wars media, before and after the Disney acquisition, and the word doesn't even exist in the universe.
@EyeQue62
@EyeQue62 Ай бұрын
@@palpatinesboi9549 How do you know it doesn't exist? How about onanist? Just because you've never heard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On saying that, I prefer 'Fight the empire!'. It works really well
@dampersand
@dampersand 11 ай бұрын
This is exactly the sort of deep dive I've wanted since the show first aired! Now if only I could get this for every other scene too.
@TheJamF100
@TheJamF100 11 ай бұрын
Tony Gilroy has shown up on a lot of podcasts when the show was airing. Talked about a lot of stuff. You should search some up. Good stuff!
@telosmonos_gustavo
@telosmonos_gustavo 11 ай бұрын
Variety does a marvelous job of bringing us the brilliance of Tony Gilroy as showrunner on Andor. It's telling that Gilroy eschews storyboards in favor of compelling his director and DP to previsualize the sequences using their iphones, and then putting together a rough cut and editing it down tight to the point that when the actual shooting begins, they hit all the beats on set. There's an enormous gulf in terms of quality between Gilroy's showrunning of Andor and Robert Rodriguez' showrunning of The Book of Boba Fett. Rodriguez, who lives and dies by storyboards, seems to pretty much have phoned in his leadership of that show, and the result speaks for itself. I'm tremendously excited to see Season Two of Andor when it hits the streams!
@QwuithLordDartox
@QwuithLordDartox 11 ай бұрын
Without question Andor reignited the fire of Star Wars in ways the films of the past few decades haven't been able to.
@thomaschristopherwhite9043
@thomaschristopherwhite9043 11 ай бұрын
Andor is by far the best written star wars property out there BY A MILE but I don't know if what effect dropping the F-bomb would achieve. It's almost like the show is better than that. HOWEVER, that for sure could have worked.
@BuzzardPlanet97
@BuzzardPlanet97 11 ай бұрын
It was probably better without, but if any character could’ve dropped an f bomb without it feeling out of place it would be Maarva
@MaestroDrake
@MaestroDrake 11 ай бұрын
Poodoo, E chu ta, Sleemo are that galaxy's swear words.
@dearyvettetn4489
@dearyvettetn4489 11 ай бұрын
I think the people, Disney included who are squeamish about the use of the F-word are the people who, like Maarva were relatively comfortable and willing to look the other way as things got as bad as they could get on Ferrix. I’m sure people who were worse off, like the prisoners on Narkina 5, being used for slave labor day in and day out would’ve use that word without hesitation. It took Maarva being out of time and at the end of her life, burdened by all her regrets to decide that it was appropriate to use that word. It should have been left in. It was wholly appropriate. I think that it’s indicative of some of the problems in this country 🇺🇸 even in this world, where the people who have influential voices, are squeamish about using strong language and are trying to be respectable in the face of some of the most atrocious things we all see going on. If you don’t want to say the words and call sh!t out for what it really is, I think it’s because it really hasn’t inconvenienced you that much, for now.
@TheMarizanebogdan
@TheMarizanebogdan 11 ай бұрын
This show is so good and Fiona's delivery so amazing that she could say anything and would still be awesome.
@stepington
@stepington 11 ай бұрын
Glad Variety put this out. I'm curious about the lack of any special features for this series on Disney+.
@kirkdarling4120
@kirkdarling4120 11 ай бұрын
"Fuck the empire" is something Maarva might well have said in that scene where she refuses to go away with Andor, when she's made up her mind to stay and fight in any way she can. But when, as a Daughter of Ferrix, she needs a word that cannot be misinterpreted as merely frustration or contempt, she needs a definite, unmistakable call to action verb. "Fight" is the word she wanted.
@landonweldy5468
@landonweldy5468 11 ай бұрын
This show is just way too good. It actually has something unique to contribute.
@HateMachine103190
@HateMachine103190 11 ай бұрын
I like the version we got. I feel like adding the f-bomb would have been distracting and unnecessary.
@jayhartRIC
@jayhartRIC 11 ай бұрын
I had a feeling she was gonna say “Fuck the Empire” before even hearing that’s how they originally conceived it lol.
@anita_k406
@anita_k406 11 ай бұрын
Best Star Wars series so far! The cast is great! Looking forward for the 2nd season 👏
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 11 ай бұрын
It's good that it was changed. It would have been very out of place and taken me right out of the moment. Plus, you wouldn't hear anyone in Lord Of The Rings say "fuck Sauron" because that's not in keeping with the vibe of the universe Tolkien created. The same applies to Star Wars. Andor already teeters on the edge of going to far away from Lucas' morality play foundation. That would have sent it tumbling right over.
@BuzzardPlanet97
@BuzzardPlanet97 11 ай бұрын
I think it could’ve worked in this context, but I’m also not disappointed they cut it. If there had to be one f bomb anywhere in Star Wars I would’ve picked this scene
@outlanderfrog
@outlanderfrog 11 ай бұрын
I mean, they say hell and damn in Star Wars. It's not THAT far out of place.
@soondslash
@soondslash 11 ай бұрын
​@@outlanderfrog does anyone really consider those swears though?
@outlanderfrog
@outlanderfrog 11 ай бұрын
@@soondslash Sadly, yes. 😆 But it's much more rare of an opinion than it used to be.
@cassieo
@cassieo 11 ай бұрын
@@outlanderfrog those words fly under the PG rating. The f-bomb is considered much more crass and rude and garners R-rating with repeated use. I was very surprised that GOTG3 got away with their use of it for PG-13, but we all know the standards of polite society are changing each passing year. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@masterjedipk1249
@masterjedipk1249 11 ай бұрын
This is good, film making, blocking, production stuff, and coordination of the different departments working together. I love this stuff😁📸🎬
@craig8357
@craig8357 11 ай бұрын
It was brilliant and i was so surprised, but it was needed😂😍🇬🇧
@theoriginalfloatingrumshack
@theoriginalfloatingrumshack 11 ай бұрын
That was a fab vid - thank you Variety for sharing. Andor was/is a fabulous piece of TV, and the fact that it happens to be in the Star Wars universe is even better.
@Manny-gp2ub
@Manny-gp2ub 11 ай бұрын
The best Star Wars has been in a while.
@drnobody418
@drnobody418 11 ай бұрын
Idk how I feel about the idea of an F bomb in SW but, imagine if the line was actually kept. We would've all jump out of our seats.
@SleepyBoi_9000
@SleepyBoi_9000 11 ай бұрын
Haha! That would’ve been amazing, but idk, maybe the F Bomb would’ve sucked the emotion out of the scene a bit. Andor is a 10/10, from the writing to the acting to the cinematography, it’s my favorite Star Wars related anything. So excited for season 2.
@jazzx251
@jazzx251 11 ай бұрын
Hmm - this is an interesting one. "Fuck the Empire!" is a statement of frustration ... If I say "Fuck the Tories!" - it's free speech. Democracy in action. If I say "Fight the Tories!" (clearly meaning violence) - then it's an act of insurrection, which could easily be deemed as treason. In other words, I don't thing he would have bothered kicking B2EMO over if she had said "fuck the empire" She said "fight the empire" ... and that's just not allowed!
@kirkdarling4120
@kirkdarling4120 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely. "Fuck the Empire" is not a call to action...it's an expression of frustration as you said. Or it could even mean "Ignore the Empire!" or "I don't care about the Empire!" "Fight!" is a definite call to action. It might not mean violence _per se,_ but it's a definite call to resistance in whatever way is possible.
@hkaayaakuu
@hkaayaakuu 11 ай бұрын
4:40 amazimg ost by mr nicholas
@eightysev
@eightysev 7 ай бұрын
My guy wrote a legal brief ... he was not playing around.
@natalietowner6780
@natalietowner6780 11 ай бұрын
Loved this scene…I wouldn’t want it any other way
@JFLOProductions
@JFLOProductions 11 ай бұрын
I was saying it when I watched it! I knew The Battle of Algiers had to be a major inspiration for the show! Pretty subversive, being this is a Disney property
@marksutter182
@marksutter182 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, fight works better. It made me emotional. Dropping the f-bomb would have made it funny which could work but I prefer it as is.
@bestbry1
@bestbry1 11 ай бұрын
What a wonderful job these guys did ❤❤❤
@razorback10
@razorback10 11 ай бұрын
I'm glad they didn't do the F bomb
@hkaayaakuu
@hkaayaakuu 11 ай бұрын
Awww auntie potter fiona shaw
@bobbydennis8333
@bobbydennis8333 11 ай бұрын
2023(Gregorian) “Respect and dignity.” Furthermore:
@TheRoyalFino
@TheRoyalFino 11 ай бұрын
The show is so great; the line would have worked either way.
@tincantub8373
@tincantub8373 11 ай бұрын
Think they should have kept it Fuck. Like that would have been as badass as 'Assimilate This' in First Contact. Plus, the Pre-Mor Sergeant Linus already said 'shit' under his breath back in episode 2 or 3 anyways. "Fight" is certainly much more PC, but 'Fuck' would have been so epic it literally would have resonated across the galaxy.
@tincantub8373
@tincantub8373 11 ай бұрын
having said that.... I can see why Disney has to be Disney and want to make sure Star Wars is safe for the kids... but then maybe they could have made their own 'FRACK' like with Battlestar Galactica?
@roentgen822
@roentgen822 11 ай бұрын
Off topic but the Making a Scene graphic should have been displayed as Tony was introducing it imo it seems redundant to have it display and then again reintroduced especially for a short video.
@RockFan89
@RockFan89 11 ай бұрын
I thought it was in The Mandalorian with one of the little Anzellans told Grogu, "No squeezie, bad baby, I'm outta here MFers" 🤣
@JohnWick-kb5jr
@JohnWick-kb5jr 11 ай бұрын
George would’ve never approved the use of the F bomb, so I’m glad they didn’t use it. However, I won’t disagree that “fuck the empire” would’ve been inspiring and it would’ve worked very well.
@pseudonymousbeing987
@pseudonymousbeing987 11 ай бұрын
PEAK
@kingofthesharks
@kingofthesharks 11 ай бұрын
Lmao 11:50 "presented by HBO/Max" in a video about non kid-friendly TV material that didnt make it to Disney+ 😅
@Samdoesstuff978
@Samdoesstuff978 11 ай бұрын
I heard fight. Anyone else?
@noleal08
@noleal08 11 ай бұрын
And years later, GOTG 3 drop the F-Bomb.
@hakimehamdouchi7468
@hakimehamdouchi7468 7 ай бұрын
She should have said "death to the false emperor"
@ChristopherHamiltonDC
@ChristopherHamiltonDC 11 ай бұрын
Bet CCH Pounder wishes she'd taken this part now...
@KGBeast.
@KGBeast. 11 ай бұрын
I'm kind of glad they didn't go with this
@Andy666TheBeast
@Andy666TheBeast 11 ай бұрын
I'm glad they didn't have her say "fuck the empire", it would have felt very out of place in Star Wars
@cornhub8823
@cornhub8823 11 ай бұрын
The whole show felt out of place tbh
@theophilus333
@theophilus333 11 ай бұрын
@@cornhub8823 Because of how good it was, right?
@cornhub8823
@cornhub8823 11 ай бұрын
@@theophilus333 There were some great moments, but overall a very bland experience. Andor is just as empty of a character as Rey, and for a show that only takes place 5 years before A New Hope its is aesthetically and tonally completely out of place.
@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881
@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 11 ай бұрын
​@@cornhub8823 Bland? I think the last 10 years of Star Wars (aside from the animations) have been nothing but bland. They just don't appeal to the eye and nostalgia with lightsabers and cameos from the original trilogy.
@theophilus333
@theophilus333 11 ай бұрын
@@cornhub8823 How can you say it's bland when you can go on KZfaq and find hundreds of extremely well-made videos deconstructing its themes and political analysis? Andor is one of the richest texts in Star Wars media with nothing even comparable in the Disney era. I'd even argue it's better than even the original trilogy
@WhoIsOlton
@WhoIsOlton 11 ай бұрын
After finding this out, months ago, it immediately decreased the value of the scene... the "Fuck" should have stayed in there. Now it seem like The Empire's honour was defended somehow. And I'm not in the business of defending "the ends justify the means" kinds of organizations. Andor is the best that Star Wars has ever been. No expectations needed to be "subverted". And maybe I'm wrong but the original plan for way more seasons seems like a brilliant idea after seeing the first one.
@enegmatixerebro
@enegmatixerebro 11 ай бұрын
Strange things in star wars that made me go ...what? Andor: Fuck the empire Kenobi: *chase scene* Mando: Lizzo and Jack Black
@MrLynamYT
@MrLynamYT 11 ай бұрын
It’s cool guardians 3 got away with it tho
@switchboardrevelry4275
@switchboardrevelry4275 11 ай бұрын
It might have made the show interesting.
@hkaayaakuu
@hkaayaakuu 11 ай бұрын
I really missed the f bomb
@CHRIZTION
@CHRIZTION 11 ай бұрын
Disney dropped the ball… once again. Smh what a missed memorable opportunity.
@putinscat1208
@putinscat1208 11 ай бұрын
There is no F...k in Star Wars. You can say 'blast it', you can say 'Bantha diddle', etc.
@enriqueguang9843
@enriqueguang9843 11 ай бұрын
Star Wars is a science fiction universe with an Empire, rebels, emperor, republic, jedis, Siths, etc. Beyond that anything else can fit, gory violence, swearing, nudity, etc as long as the story is good.
@putinscat1208
@putinscat1208 11 ай бұрын
@@enriqueguang9843 Nope, they have their own culture outside of Latin.
@watchultra
@watchultra 11 ай бұрын
Can’t Variety afford proper mics?
@McDanielsFilms
@McDanielsFilms 11 ай бұрын
Terrible idea, would totally take me out of it.
@philipocallaghan
@philipocallaghan 11 ай бұрын
How would people in a far far away galaxy know the word f""K? I agree with the change.
@zigster1298
@zigster1298 11 ай бұрын
The same way they know the rest of our language. 😂 It’s not like Star Wars has its own alternatives, and there’s at least ‘damn’ and ‘hell’ in Star Wars; I’m pretty sure Han says ‘Ah hell’ in the original trilogy. It’s really not a big leap.
@anthonygordon9483
@anthonygordon9483 11 ай бұрын
No offense but I am glad Disney turned them down. I could never see George Lucas doing that so I am glad Disney stuck with their guns.
@therealCellblock1138
@therealCellblock1138 11 ай бұрын
Star Wars doesn't need to get trashy.
@savannahm.laurentian1286
@savannahm.laurentian1286 11 ай бұрын
I'll never get why such an ugly, unimaginative, impotent word carries such weight in American cinema. The very opposite of gravitas.
@ThePlaysonic3
@ThePlaysonic3 11 ай бұрын
I’ll never get why Savannah M. Laurentian sounds like such a fucking perfect name to leave such snobbishly pretentious comment, ooh by the way Fuck
@JudeNiro
@JudeNiro 11 ай бұрын
Your reaction to the word is exactly why it carries weight. Words have no inherent "weight" - people place that weight upon them. And as time moves on and cultures evolve, people shed the sillier aspects like the "weight" a word carries. That's the reason why you (hopefully) don't lose your shit (lol) when someone uses the words "damn" or "blast" today.
@brandonsmith9098
@brandonsmith9098 11 ай бұрын
I'm sorry this is stupid. "Let's make this edgy by dropping a really really bad word. Teehee Teehee".
@MadelineMysterious
@MadelineMysterious 11 ай бұрын
This scene took me out of the immersion. Juvenile nonsense.
@hoos3014
@hoos3014 7 ай бұрын
It didn't take you out because it wasn't in the show. The f bomb got cut.
@cornhub8823
@cornhub8823 11 ай бұрын
I don’t know why Andor was trying to go for a real-world feel with the show. It takes place in the Star Wars universe. Though the franchise can have underlining political themes, at its heart it is a campy space adventure that immerses you into the galaxy through escapism.
@ps3udologue
@ps3udologue 11 ай бұрын
This is such a ridiculous take. As they say EVOLVE OR DIE. No one has talked about Star Wars positively as a whole until the first season of Mandalorian and this show. The hate the prequels got until it became nostalgic. The disorganization and pointlessness of the sequels. The nostalgia-bait that the rest of the shows became. Why can't you whiners let us enjoy the genuine spectacle and heart that this show has and go rewatch your campy shit and leave the fans of this show alone, jesus.
@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881
@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 11 ай бұрын
Because we are living in a time where war, politics and its discussions are more important than ever. Any art form is stronger when it speaks to the people who are living the moment. If WARS is not a good reason to talk about the people involved in it I don't know how to make you care.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 11 ай бұрын
@@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 As opposed to the 70s? lol Star Wars was post Vietnam, post Nixon. It came out at a time when people were cynical and there was just as much corruption and division as there is now. The reason Star Wars was so successful is because rather than give into the cynicism of the real world, it provided an escape from it, to a universe where good and evil were clearly defined and optimism wasn't a fool's hope.
@cornhub8823
@cornhub8823 11 ай бұрын
@@ps3udologue I genuinely have no idea what you are saying. No one said you can’t enjoy the show, and I’m confused why you see my personal critique of the show as an attempt to silence the fans of it.
@emilianomartorell3587
@emilianomartorell3587 11 ай бұрын
Star Wars isn’t campy. Light hearted and adventurous with no gratuitous sex or violence =/= campy. People who say that are just regurgitating what other people have said about Star Wars. Lucas has always taken the SW universe seriously.
@c-mc
@c-mc 11 ай бұрын
Worst Star Wars show by far
@12stack73
@12stack73 11 ай бұрын
Age kid. Enjoy your nonsense dull products.
@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881
@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 11 ай бұрын
😂 The BEST Star Wars media since 1990
@c-mc
@c-mc 11 ай бұрын
@@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 nah
@outlanderfrog
@outlanderfrog 11 ай бұрын
Boba Fett and Obi-Wan exist.
@soondslash
@soondslash 11 ай бұрын
bait used to be believable 😔
@maximilianwolf2984
@maximilianwolf2984 11 ай бұрын
tony gilroy is daddy
@savannahm.laurentian1286
@savannahm.laurentian1286 11 ай бұрын
I'll never get why such an ugly, unimaginative, impotent word carries such weight in American cinema. The very opposite of gravitas.
@ericcoats7234
@ericcoats7234 11 ай бұрын
Its a beautiful word that carries the weight of your intention better then almost any other. When used constantly it loses all meaning and energy but when used in the right way it can go beyond the understanding of a words meaning and all you have left is the feeling behind it. All words have this power but this one has it even more because it is understood by all and it has a barb that sticks into the psyche because most were taught that it was forbidden as children.
@jamescurfman3284
@jamescurfman3284 11 ай бұрын
@@ericcoats7234 100%
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