Nora got y’all fighting like Barry and Iris too. 😂

The verbal BLOWS in the first 3 minutes of this episode! Damn.👏🏾

Trey, your reaction to Thawne saying "Negative" almost broke my ear drums 😂.

"Damn it iris she lied to us for months"🙌🏽🤩

Grant and Candice Mannnnnn👏🏽👏🏽TOO DAMN GOOD

Barry was just raising his voice at everybody this episode.😥😥😥

That first scene was Golden

3:39 My ears went in the negative speed force

On some real talk they need quit disrespecting Sherlock

Let’s be honest (Barry Nora Storyline > Cicada Storyline)

Everything Tasha said about Iris and Nora. Me: Same

CANDICE & GRANT REALLY BODIED THAT OPENING 5X19 SCENE💯 GIVE THEM THE NOMS & AWARDS

THANK YOU TASHA! Why don’t men ever want to realize that Iris wasn’t upset Barry went into the speed force, she understood he had to do it, she was upset he made ANOTHER life altering decision and he didn’t take any time to discuss it with her. People in a relationship need to talk about the major decisions. Tasha you’re a superhero and I appreciate how you always try and understand Iris’s POV.

You got my like with the “lower your tone sir” lmao I felt the same way. He was too hype.

Y’all tryna have a lil argument like Barry and iris I see

Grant Gustin needs an Oscar/Emmy/Grammy for his amazing talent this season and just in general 👏🏾

"My name is Barry Allen... and I took my daughter back to the g*ddamn future cause she out here f*ckin' with Thawne and I don't play that shit, cuz!" Hahahaha that would've been a better intro XD XD XD

I think Thawne actually cares for Nora and in some perverse way sees that as revenge against Barry.

"....I was obsessed with you. For so long, I wanted to be The Flash. I spent years figuring out how you came to be. Duplicated the reaction... and it worked. I became like you." "This ability to travel through time revealed a truth. My fate was to become your greatest enemy. I was never going to be The Flash, so I became the reverse of everything that you were. The more people you saved, the more you were loved, the more I had to take from you." - Eobard Thawne from Season 2 "The Reverse Flash Returns" Thawne 'duplicating' the reaction meant he must have gotten the Speed Force first but after he found out he can't be the Flash anymore, he started hating him which caused him to develop the Negative Speed Force. That parallel with Nora here is amazing to my brain, it's not simply calling Thawne the Reverse Flash, he was destined to choose being the Reverse of everything the Flash stood for. Similar to Nora here, she just lost the love the only person she ever dreamed of meeting, her father, which became a strong enough hatred and negativity to tap into the Negative Speed Force. This was my interpretation on how I saw those scenes.

Tasha, when she found out he killed her grandmother, all bets were off... And she still didn't fess up or at least just stay away from Thorne. Later for goodbye, she got more time that she never had and stuck around too long. I thought from the beginning, she's gonna screw stuff up, why is she still around?

You guys notice Jessica (girl who plays nora) improves her running looks better now 😂

Best couple argument about a kid they haven’t made yet goes to.......lol

Yo i love the discussion yall get into about this shows real fandom 😂😂😂

Me after that first scene: Roast voice:Noooooooooo he told her to look in the mirror.😂😂😂😂😂

I want to see Barry run on clouds. Apparently, he can do that at some point in the comics.

Nora is going crazy now

do people know how big this episode is? Shows the first time Iris actually using Gideon/Ralph seeing the Time Vault and Barry and Iris's scream match.😱😱😱😱

I think iris bringing up the speed force is just to make a point of him making big decisions without her, and like Tasha said people bring up old things and things they don't mean in arguments

Now they be having marriage arguments

Aye Tisha....It's ok we all did not care much about the icicle family 👪

I thought this episode was great love the parallels between Caitlin family drama and the west-Allen family drama I think all the characters had good points in their arguments grant and Candance scene was great the acting was really good it’s interesting to get into the negative speed force love that Barry was helping out with Caitlin situation they haven’t teamed up in a while and why did older grace kidnapped younger grace killer frost going after ice cycle fight scene was cool I like the team up with Ralph and iris they did talk to giddion about how to go to the future so Nora is now a villain because Barry drove her back into thawn arms joe and Sherlock had a great scene cicada killed Caitlin dad as soon as she just got him back why I’m glad that Caitlin and her mom patch things up and love that iris and Barry actually talk things out cicada did a surprise attack on on Barry because I don’t think he saw her coming and that’s why he got knocked out easily overall 8.9/10

It still irritates me how the writers got Iris pressed about Barry's decision to go into the speed force in 3x23. Like he wasn't doing it to save lives, like he just woke up that day thinkin', "Yes, this is the stunt I wanna pull today." He did what he had to do and saved people, so can we not keep bringing it up like it was irresponsible and wrong? Also, they should've just decreased Nora's age, lol. 26+ years old and we throwing tantrums, huh?

OH IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS REACTION!!

I was thinking about y'all's reaction to this episode the whole time I was watching it. Because Sis was having some mixed feelings. 😂

Hands down, the first 5 minutes were the best part of the episode just for the emotions, acting and points being thrown back and forth. That was I think the first super serious argument both of them had ever and that felt authentic, not forced at all. I did like how both Barry and Iris made valid points about each other with him saying they've been lied to for months and she still worked with Thawne who IS manipulating her and Iris calling him out on his emotional decision making, what with Flashpoint and leaving her for the Speed Force (which isn't really fair since he didn't have a choice in that matter).

Team flash needs an in-house psychologist....Because whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not....RF was there for Nora at a crucial time in her life, she was primed for emotional rearing by someone...and it just so happens that the someone was RF. Him being that important to her no matter his evil past.....of course she went back to him. It was obvious. Anyone who's decent in psych could've predicted that from miles away. And if Barry stopped making unilateral decisions based on un-tempered emotion he would have known that taking Nora back to 2049, where Thawne is...the one person who was there for her, when she perceived no one else to be...And then telling her that she better not time travel again or else...Dude basically set Nora up to run back to evil, and rebel...Against him in the biggest way....Barry was not in the right. His decision to take Nora back to the future was out of anger, mistrust , and fear that she could do harm to the team. Emotions that no on should use to make life altering decisions...Barry should have sent her back at the beginning of the season. When he and the team tried to, that was out of wisdom...because they have the experience of knowing how easily you can screw up the timeline...But out of the emotion of guilt for not being there when Nora grew up, Barry convinces the team to let her stay. Barry is always in the wrong. Because Barry always make huge life altering time and space decisions in midst of intense emotions....

Lady's and Gentlemen The Negative Speed Force has Arrived🎉🔥⚡

This Nora and thawne storyline is what the season should’ve been about, cicada is wack, these last 2 episodes have been really good

so what if nora using the negative speed force and the things she does end up being the reason iris put a power dampener in nora

The negative speed force eats off the positive speed force so him teaching Norah in the first place he knew what it would do thawn is the creater of the negative speed force he knows its effects of positive speedsters it corrupts them

Hollering 😂😂😂... and the emmy goes too...

I would like to be the first to point out that Nora can be dingy and appears to be a little slow at times! Lol 😂😂😂

I was so into the argument yall was having lmao

I considered it and I think Iris still feels hurt because when you think about it the speedforce only needed Barry there to stabilize a prison he created for savitar who never existed before flashpoint when the tl changed. So technically Barry going into the speedforce was a result of his decision to create flashpoint. Tre, I totally get you when you say nora is illogical. I been saying that from the beginning, but why would you place an illogical person in an evil man's vicinity??😂

I feel like I'm watching Barry and iris argue bout Barry and iris arguing about Nora lol.

What if Thawn's plan was to create Nora into a new Reverse Flash in order to become the Flash in his time. It would explain why he is always acting like a good guy. Plus it would mean that in Barry's future his children would be seen as the Big Bad of Thawn's time.

Everyone in the future lied to Nora her entire life, and Thawne has never lied to her. They could've kept Nora in the pipeline. Her powers would be negated and she'd be away from Thawne.

Barry hates thawn more then he loves nora

i didnt think barry and iris fighting was gonna make yall argue too lol

man the how can he stop loooooving me moment was so fucking epic. could be a force scream from a star wars movie

It just that he didn't pull her to the side and say Baby I have to do this I love you but I have to do this I believe that's all she wanted. What did that take a minute boom it's done.

“....frozen, the demon edition.” I’m ded

I just realized that reverse flash calls her dawn 14:56

How u guys an up fighting just like Barry and his wife lol to funny

Omg yall argument is just like barry and iris xD much love still

16:48 Something else to consider: he had been cut off from the negative speed force for sometime, and that could be why we are seeing a completely different Thawne. That field is all rage, pain, and loneliness, and he attacked into that hundreds of times as a substitute for the real speed force. Even though he is a bona fide psychopath, that negative speed force could be a secondary cause of his evil. If he were still plugged in, I doubt that he would have helped Nora as much as he has, or come to care for her as much as he has. So no, he didn’t want that for his student because he knew what that did to him.

I agree with iris its both their daughter not just Barry's so he shouldn't have send her back to the future where she can go to thawn for help. Also she doesnt have anyone like iris said

Yassss and the Flash is back baby

THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THIS EPISODE OF “M2TR”!! Y’all Had Me Rolling! Great Review! Awesome Reactions!! Keep Em Coming!

Y’all just like Barry and Iris in that first discussion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

"A lot of times, he need to come up with some ideas"- Tre YES!!!!!!

I actually like that Thawne cares about her. I would rather that he cares about someone instead of just be complete evil. Give us a different side to him that we don't expect

really liked this episode like the both sides of the fence caitlin vs her mother on caitlyn’s dad and barry vs iris on barry trapping nora in the future.

Why am I just finding you guys! I love your content so much. Can't wait to see your Endgame & GOT reactions this weekend! We'll all be emotionally drained by Monday lol

in this episode they made it so cisco and caitlin weren't in star labs and the remaining characters had to step up and barry was sitting at the computer and coming up with things on his own. barry was actually stepping up. barry is going to become something way more than olibur and he's going to reach the level of actually being worthy of being a founding member of the justice league.

Thwane basically steals Barry's daughter. I'm not ready for the next episode, Barry is going to see evil XS. he's gonnal feel so bad. The confrontation would be epic !

Trust me I had the same reaction when I saw this scene 😂 2:09

Iris's little speech was just so freaking hypocritical....basically every single decision she's made has been based on emotion, not logic. Yeah, she had a point about Flashpoint, but she's got no room to talk...especially getting pissy at Sherloque, since she ALREADY KNEW he was investigating Nora's lies (or am I the only one who remembers that confrontation?)

Can you guys please put a caution for headphone users? All that loud yelling almost made me lose my hearing.

they did iris wrong with the thawne feelings. like it’s so out of character. of course iris would feel bad about thawne killing barry’s mother like that’s the person she is but in this episode they basically had her say “idgaf” that is terrible writing. and what makes even more worse is the fact that later on she’s upset at thawne when the writers had her say a while back she didn’t mind it. they really keep doing her wrong and i’m sick of it.

I must thank the comments for warning me about 3:39

Where's Cisco? That's my question. It feels like they are trying to write him off the show. I hope not, he's my favorite.

A child who has been turned away by its village will burn it down to feel its warmth.

Looks like there's gonna be a new killer frost next season.

Killer frost vs Icicle was a build battle in full affect

And just like that... Barry turned his own DAUGHTER to the dark side. Nice going HERO! Also, they're finally doing more of the Cicada storyline, it feels like they set Cicada up as the main villain but we've rarely seen any of Orlin or Future Grace!

She's trying to make two cicadas.

Ok, good argument! Tre, I side with Tasha; you aint looking at it from the character's perspective. As parent's, Barry should have consulted Iris; period. Not just ask to have a minute alone and do this behind her back without a word. No matter who was right or wrong about Nora; there wasn't even a conversation and that's the point Iris was trying to make him see. Barry hasn't changed his stance that he thinks sending her back to the future is for the best but what Tasha meant is he then further isolated her; the thing she wanted most. Barry is only thinking about how he feels; hell he didn't even think to ask more questions about what she and Thawne had been doing which is LOGICAL which none of the characters are being which is why all perspectives all valid up to a point. This is how vicious circles stop; this is how Thawne and Barry continue to ACT; Flashpoint 4x1 " I hate you." " And I hate you too and sometimes I wonder which one of us is right." Or something to that effect from Thawne. It's the continued vicious cycle which is why Thawne made Iris realize she's the only one to break it; The Allen DNA stay petty lol Where Iris was wrong is she KNEW what Sherloque suspected and chose to ignore that because she wanted to repair the relationship with Nora after her future self basically lied to her whole life because of her emotions after Barry disappeared. And we all know Nora blames Iris when she it comes to her dad so that relationship is tragically embittered so much so that no way in hell she would have went to her overbearing, condescending mother who isn't even the woman she knows from the past. These are 2 different people. She's a daddy's girl plain and simple and understands Thawne because they both have that id0olization of Barry; that need to be him but only disappointing the man. Lastly, look IA Iris can't stay mad at Sherloque but man look. Idc if no one would have believed you, you had a duty to speak up at the LEAST to the two other respected detectives one who aint even that closely involved that wouldn't be able to see sense about his suspicions. The bring all the Wells in like family and he had no sensitivity whatsoever about deciphering Nora and at some point it clearly became about his ego to put it together. Family don't keep secrets...I mean they do...but that's the Flash theme lol

Also I don't like how everyone just gave the middle finger to Sherloque like he's the bad one in all of this, he was doing his job. Also also, shouldn't the execution timer in Thawne's cell have expired by now?

I'm so ready for Friday boy😂😂 I got some good questions for y'all. See ya'll then✊🏾❤

People seem. To be forgetting that Nora is still essentially a novice and when it comes to dealing within parents she is still a kid. A kid who would be afraid of upsetting his parents like a young kid would do. And when a kid makes a mistake the worst thing you can do is isolate that kid and make him/her worse about thier mistake. She is a kid going to through intense emotions like bonding for the first time with her parents. If you leave her like that of course she will lash out, acting on emotions and trying to find to any way to get get back. And the obvious solution for that is going to thawne. They should have been smart enough to know that if thawne was manipulating the smartest thing would be to keep her with them where they can keep an eye on her instead of leaving her in the future unsupervised where she will go right back to thawne.

Reverse flash was there for Nora when her mom wasn't. She has a better relationship with him than with her mother. There's no scenario in which, desperate as she is now, she was going back to iris. Not only is their relationship trash but iris cant do squat for her current problem. Thawn can. So from her perspective, there's nobody else for her to turn to.

And the Emmy does go to Grant and Candice for the best fight in history.

I don't blame Nora for going to Thawne after she found out that Thawne killed barry mother. I blame Barry for saying that Thawne could change in the future.

I have been torn on the situation with Nora working with Thawne from the beginning. But I knew that she had to have some deep reason that made her believe that this was her only choice. When we all found out what it was (to save her dad). I understood WAY MORE.. And I think we all did! Now.. when Thawne was no longer the only one there that she could talk to and she just kept going back to him anyway. That is when I think we were all left on the edge of our seats wondering why. Especially when Barry locked Nora up in the Pipeline IMMEDIATELY.. and then Iris gave her the benefit of the doubt, by letting her out to explain herself. I still seen why they both carried it out this way. But that opening argument scene this episode was PURE GOLD! It showed them in a different light... it more them more relatable... and I loved it! Barry gave Iris the Biggest L ever! Even though leaving Nora back in 2049 alone without his love and respect, will bring her even closer to the very person that he wants her away from. Iris today I believe; made things so much worse by going back to 2049 to talk to Nora. Unleashing anger we haven't seen before leading all towards her accessing the Negative Speed Force. Now if not then Thawne will manipulate her! And for what?? and why?? I dont know!

I agree with u bout the ending, I have no idea what that's bout. Since they've made Cicada 2 appear so powerful, I think she put Thawne in prison, so maybe it has something to do with Thawne idk.

Seriously though Nora seems to have a thing for "demon eyes" and connecting to corrupting forces. Grace, negative force. Whats next? Become zoom 2.0 and get time wraithed into being a literal speed demon?

Iris and Barry BOTH have valid points. They are married and are suppose to make decisions TOGETHER! He could’ve let her know before being impulsive and just taking her back. Now she finna be the big bad.

I love this reaction,you got yourself a sub

Im sorry but aye yo trey whooooo tf you yelling at tasha like dat booooy you lucky I cant jump through dis damn screen 😂😂😂

Damn Nora acting like she 16 now you messing with negative speedforce, it would be crazy to see Barry in negative speedforce with her but that’s just some fan theory”s

Damn y’all quick , Edit: did anyone else figure that cicada would kill icicle?

brooo nora needs to be as ruthless as she is now like reverse flash used to be to beat grace and phase her hand through her heart😭

2:25 - 2:50 is still my favorite part no matter how many times i watch this reaction

Thawne is like a crazy frenemie relative and I think just like he cares for Nora he cares for Barry as well. He just doesn’t know how to properly express self. There are those relatives similar to Leonidas father from Sparta who would pick on his son when he was a kid, physically fight him with a sword and then leave him in a desert to fight against wild animals and the elements. For some reason some toxic relatives see this as love instead of twisted bc they feel they are teaching you or trying to make u tough.

WE ABOUT TO GET.....NEH GEH TIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!!!!! NOTE: Fathers.......don’t push your baby girl into another man’s arms....he should’ve been talking to her......their fight got tight....

Team Flash acting all mad at sherloque like dey ain’t keep hundreds of secrets befo🤣🤣🤦‍♀️

Was waiting all night

13:25 Yeah Charlie should be Icicle Jr. Then again, I always imagined Caitlin having a son in the future, who would be friends with Nora, and have his mom's powers.

Headphones users RIP