Next game they get to come back as exalted heroes. They earned it.

They need to man up and commit to a God!

Are you guys proposing 16 exalted champs?! RIP I say

Severed claw is insane, I’ve never seen them lose a melee fight without enemy ranged being involved as well

Grandpa knows best

Almost as good as a single unit of Rot Knights, apparently. Rot Knights: OP in more than just Elden Ring.

Only around 2k a pop.

@@MonkWren The empire player had easy counter to them, he just botched it. That bjuna would have basically killed the rot knight unit but he used it on something irrelevant.

​@@SRMal8723 Every PvP WH player ever absolutely POGs at the mention of Flock of Doom, yet nobody woops and hollers for the easiest to use "NO" button in the game, Fate of Bjuna. It even does a fair job against single entity units in the event of a misclick, unlike Spirit Leech if used against a multi-entity unit! It's so strange to me, I get that Flocks are harder to capitalize on and make for epic skill moments, but Djuna casts against top-tier units are so, so satisfying.

@@Supercohboy No one hollars about Bjuna because it's an anti-elite tool that's actually pretty expensive, and there's just _so_ many of them in TW: WH that it isn't worth mentioning yet another one that costs more. Like there's a huge toolbox that can answer the Rot Knights, it just requires focusing them down. AP missile fire, nets to stop the charge, a couple of other spells to reduce their armor and/or have AoE armor pen that absolutely dunks on elites, properly supported anti-large infantry (the halberds being caught out was a huge boon for Turin), the list goes on. None of it was brought though because of the new toys people are wanting to play with. It costing 22 winds is a kick in the nuts though, since it doesn't actually kill any models, just weakens their health pools and only targets a single unit. Flock only costs 6 and hits multiple units.

I really wish he had an extra 1k Hp or something. Just under 10k seems a bit lacklustre for such a large lad. Power creep victim.

@@tssb7 If they ever look at him again, he should be dread saurian sized with an HP pool to match. He hasn't been lore accurate in strength for quite some time.

@@Kayosiv He was never that big in the lore though

@@Woeboez At the very least he was significantly bigger than a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, which he currently isn't.

Like asur stardragon. It would be interesting and still competitive, not broken like now

Or maybe, listen to me, not

They could probably make it a 1 use ability and it would still be a super useful ability.

No. It's fine as it is.

​@@drewvirtue622 nah. It's fine as it is. They just need to buff other dragons breath attacks.

They also benefit greatly from healing, because each entity has so much health.

Remove the tracking so they have to take a Light Wizard for Net of Amyntok instead of Earthblood.

No. Keep the tracking. Being able to dodge stuff like that was dumb the day it got implemented.

​@@animewarrior3So her breath attack nuke dmg shouldn't have any counterplay then?

@ksvens8658 not everything needs counter play. Just like spirit leech has no counter play. Other than, healing. Or how slower entities can't dodge artillery. The only reason they managed to threaten kholek is because her breath attack is good. If you weaken it, this battle would have been a stomp.

@@animewarrior3 spirit leech does a tickling amount of damage compared to het breath attack, and uses WoM. It's not the same.

I think you could get a positive value trade with 2 demigryph halberds and then after clearing off rot knights you can use the now uncontested anti-large cav to hunt down the other monsters that chaos will inevitably bring to bear

@@Tarico_ Demigryphs are still super meh according to the Zerkovich vid he did for the Rot Knights. Even with Outrider support, I don't see the Demigryphs surviving and thriving in this match-up. Fire shuts down regen and would've been the play vs. Nurgle forces, but I doubt that the Empire had a chance to build their army to counter them specifically.

Does he remove immune to psychology in multiplayer? Could have a niche in some matchups.

@@emultra759 He does, yeah.

Healing is a super powerful option but I think it's necessary as a counterweight to lord sniping and gooning strats that could get a bit degenerate themselves (and are pretty strong already) if you couldn't mitigate damage to units without regen.

@@futhington What about factions that don't have healing?

​@@Aayren sucks to be them

@@Aayren Sucks to suck. More seriously though that then becomes part of the game's dynamic and variety - no or limited access to healing is a strategy you have to work around and also enables some play to counter you that might not work vs other stuff. This might seem like it contradicts my point a bit but healing as a viable option is good and healing not universally being a viable option for everyone is better and the two aren't really at odds.

Still not worth the price

Think they get a bad rep because they're not really a campaign standout and WoC have so many other tools to win the infantry grind in MP.

Not a campaign standout? Maybe a couple years ago but they are an easy doomstack since CoC. They get buffs from all 4 chaos gods in the tech tree. ​@@futhington

​@@sassyviking6003 Champs go fucking nuts in campaign.

@@futhington Not a campaign standout? Bro they get so many passives from the tech tree like barrier, regeneration, hellfire swords, etc

I was thinking the carmine dragon lady is kinda yolked but I also then realized you have to get 4K value on her to pay her cost off

Yeah, it seems all the opness spread all over the Previous DLC (mutalith, elemental, crow men, tzangors, mama stank, yuan bo) was all concentrated inside the thunderbarge

A Godzilla mod would probably be shot down by CA

@@bruuuuuuuuhhhh Fine, a "nondescript lizard" mod.

Morr is her primary deity, but she also worships Verena.

incidentally, verena is morr's wife

Turin when you tell him the Empire is polytheist: 🤯

@@Varahkas wait until he hears about what middenland thinks of sigmar

Gelt is viable tho

Gelt went from one of the two main choices to still pretty viable, I’d say he’s fine, but marcus sure got shafted cuz his ranged attacks likely weren’t fixed along with orions and others

Ice Trolls are good because they regenerate, hit hard and inflict slow. The slow in Dom prevents the other player from escaping or moving to another point, which is a good thing since Dom matchups have you spread much further apart.

The new nurgle units are bugged in the current build. They and I BELIEVE the nurgle caster don’t count for marks, though it’s noted for the release patch, same with elspeth in the dwarf roster

Bile trolls are bugged

Mono gods get army abilities, and many other unique units!

Also you can only take 4 marked units. Nurgle sorcerer means less slaanesh cav or khorne berserkers

​@@LuzikArbuzik77maybe its different in land battle, because Pwn had three Nurgle and three Slaanesh units on the field.

I kinda held this same sentiment but the reason is because nurgle is already carried heavily by their amazing lord choices, so having another lord without being OP but serving a different role while still being worth taking is tough, and the new units seem so lackluster because nurgle is just filling in their missing bases while empire and dwarves have had options for most, if not all situations

And a lot of Kholek...