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THE FOURTH VOW vs INCANDESCENT HEART vs TRANSCENDENCE - Which is THE BEST?? | Path of Exile

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@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Here's the followup to this video, with these setups against Uber Boss abilities: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMt0o9WZtbXZk2g.html
@Kortiizo
@Kortiizo Жыл бұрын
For someone who played casually and now want to deep dive into this mechanics, this channel is golden! Keep it up my guy. PoE needs contents and explanations like you do! Applaudded!
@fabiant.2485
@fabiant.2485 Жыл бұрын
I am having great success with this Pathfinder defensive setup: - Getting 100% phys damage taken as elemental through Lightning Coil + Taste of Hate + 1 Watchers eye + helmet nodes - Using Topaz, Ruby and Sapphire Flask (Taste of Hate) with 100% uptime, giving 31% less elemental damage taken because of PF flask effectiveness. - Having "Gain 3 charges when hit" on every magic flask + "Use flask when chargesreaches full" enchant + the new Flask mastery "recover 4% of life when using a flask" - Since this setup wants neither armor (no benefit) nor evasion (little benefit because auto flask tech takes care of numerous small hits and chance based defensive layers are lame) we free up a lot of opportunity cost in the passive tree, auras (Grace + Determination) and flask slots. - We can therefore afford to run petrified blood giving us 40% mitigation at less than 50% life. - The last puzzle piece is the new PF life flask ascendancy. With little investment in the passive tree we easily reach 3.6k+ permanent life flask recovery. This GIGA recovery takes care of all forms of DOT damage and completely nullifies the downside of petrified blood. It is also the most reliable form of recovery as it works always regardless if you are hitting anything or just running/standing around and it can not be turned off by map mods like leech or regen. Even with just 76% elemental resistances and 4.7k life right now i am at ~55k max hit taken for physical and elemental damage and recovering 85% of my life per second. This lets me tank shaper slams while simultaneously standing in the shaper beam for it's full duration and the whole thing is not chance based.
@ReallyNotAGoose
@ReallyNotAGoose Жыл бұрын
I don't have the watchers eye yet, but I'm running something very similar in SSF. Phys to ele and the life flask Regen are both extremely potent for sure. As long as I keep my chaos res at 75+, there's very little that can kill me.
@OlivierCombe
@OlivierCombe Жыл бұрын
Do you still have to manually click the life flask, or is there a way to automate this (without ahk) ?
@ReallyNotAGoose
@ReallyNotAGoose Жыл бұрын
@@OlivierCombe You still have to manually life flask once every 8ish seconds in my build. For me it's a very small price to pay for the absurd Perma Regen.
@fabiant.2485
@fabiant.2485 Жыл бұрын
@@OlivierCombe You still have to manually click the flask (at least once every 5 seconds). I personally don't mind as i just bind it to an easy to reach button (like space or an extra mouse button) and mindlessly press it while doing my usual rotation. I suppose this could be a deal-breaker for some but i don't see how its much different from normal flask drinking when playing non-PF builds.
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, PF is extremely strong in boss fights where you can guarantee what you are fighting and exactly what you are able to tank. In maps PF is a tiny bit less reliable but you just need to be observant to mob modifiers.
@matthewortman9130
@matthewortman9130 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are great. PoE has needed someone to provide this information for a long time. Most times when you look up online you find posts that are 4-10 years old on how things work, and reading the PoE wiki can feel like reading a textbook.
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@202kulas
@202kulas Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. More videos like this please. It is a big help especially to a filthy casual POE scrub like me. I can never wrap my head around all these setups, synergies and interactions, multi defensive layers in POE and I look up to these videos for an ELI5 explanation. Again thank you Dreamcore.
@Scroapy
@Scroapy Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, but in these types of damage received comparison, it would be awesome to see the insane contrast between - just res, res+spell supp and these setups... I can calculate it myself, but it might be great for newbies.
@johnturtle6649
@johnturtle6649 9 ай бұрын
90% all res + max block with life or ES gained on block is strongest. Of course if youre an evasion based build this isn't feasible and most of them go spell suppression due to their gear.
@acai4171
@acai4171 Жыл бұрын
What a great video, super informative! Please more of this format. Subscribed😻
@Rakschas666
@Rakschas666 Жыл бұрын
Lets not forget simple but effective elemental and physical taken as chaos damage conversions through uniques (incandescent heart), delve mods as well as influence and vaal implicits. The total % amount of conversion ends up being lower, but as a CI character you dont just take less damage from the damage converted to chaos, you take none.
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn Жыл бұрын
You can't pair Strength of Blood with other Timeless Jewel keystones cos you can only have one of them at a time (Limited to 1). Also you missed another very similar defensive setup - Mahuxotl's Machination shield + Tempered By War keystone makes all your elemental damage (including DoT) be taken as half fire and half chaos damage, and gives you an extra 5 maximum resistances from its Everlasting Sacrifice effect. You can use Cloak of Flame body armor (which also applies to DoTs) and other sources to make a lot of your physical damage also be taken as fire damage. You then only need to get your max fire and chaos resistance to the hardcap of 90. Your chaos max res will already be at 85, so that's just another 5% needed (Born of Chaos cluster jewel node will give another 3). Purity of Fire and aura effect can take care of fire. This works against damage with penetration as well, such as Shaper balls. And you don't need any cold or lightning resistance at all anymore. If you have any armor, it'll also still work against whatever physical hit damage is left that you haven't converted to fire (unlike in the Transcedance setup).
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn Жыл бұрын
Another related version of this is Sublime Vision + Tempered by War + Dawnbreaker. It makes all your elemental damage be taken as fire, so all you need is fire resistance (and however much chaos res you feel comfortable against chaos hits against). Again you get as much phys taken as fire as possible, and again armor still works on the remaining physical dmg (and penetration is negated). The downside is that you can't run any other auras (cos of Sublime Vision), and also that that particular Sublime Vision is VERY costly.
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Very true, I was rambling about Strength of Blood at that point! I didn't include the full fire conversion sublime vision setup because I'm not convinced that it really competes with the setups that apply armour after resistances, but I should have made a note about Machination + TbW, since that setup can do a lot with the new body armour and mastery.
@chacalboiteux2718
@chacalboiteux2718 11 ай бұрын
Hello there ! Very interesting video, I love watching these advanced / endgame defensive comparisons, and would love to see similar content ! If you ever do another one, can you add the following that I tested recently : Mahuxotl's Machination shield and the Tempered by War keystone lets you only care about fire and chaos res ; I ran Cloak of Flames + another 33% on other gear such as watcher's eye etc. Thanks for this type of content, stay safe !
@sevennight6307
@sevennight6307 Жыл бұрын
you should included tempered of war, they are really good too combine with exarch sheid etc
@TrippyRiddimKid
@TrippyRiddimKid Жыл бұрын
Like how informative this was. I usually dont do much with numbers, more of a synergistic mechanics builder, but this video made me reconsider a few ideas ive had. The heart is really competitive for how uncommon it is.
@jordanc1860
@jordanc1860 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video definitely need more of those! Subscribed
@user-rb9xg7zl7c
@user-rb9xg7zl7c Жыл бұрын
Amazing video that explained pretty much everything!
@AGVenge
@AGVenge Жыл бұрын
Extraordinary work!!! Wonder what is the easiest attainable and most tanky setup in ssf 😍
@owlswim273
@owlswim273 Жыл бұрын
Good comparison, Keep going video like this
@The_Boy_Who_Shattered_Time
@The_Boy_Who_Shattered_Time Жыл бұрын
For the incandescent heart setup, you don't account for the fact that they usually go CI. All the damage they convert to chaos damage gets mitigated by CI. The major downside is that you become very weak to DoTs due to the nature of ES.
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
You can't use CI with Divine Flesh, and that is what this setup is using.
@laszloszabados5884
@laszloszabados5884 Жыл бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg true, however many people don't use divine flesh with incandescent heart. the ci version could have been one more setup presented in the video. nice one otherwise
@kizzagaming6523
@kizzagaming6523 Ай бұрын
In case of explosive arrow you can get 90k armour, 3% regen really helps and the chaos res you get from the body armour too. Don't know about any others
@NKB_POE
@NKB_POE Жыл бұрын
While watching for a moment I thought to myself how intimidating poe for new player lmao,thanks for the detailed explanation
@AdmiringIntrovert
@AdmiringIntrovert Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. It helped me a lot.
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that!
@mondaysoon4550
@mondaysoon4550 Жыл бұрын
thanks for this, very informative and interesting
@KaelfromTW
@KaelfromTW Жыл бұрын
I’ve learned alot, thanks!
@Rollin561
@Rollin561 Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on using Incadescent Heart with CI instead of divine flesh? Im doing this currently and feels amazing
@DlES-IRAE
@DlES-IRAE Жыл бұрын
lol that’s been done for like 8 years :D it’s kind of a no brainer, it’s one of the best unique body armors for CI builds
@irfanrafi_ardian
@irfanrafi_ardian Ай бұрын
Transcend + CI, fixed the ailments issue. and the only things that hit like a truck is a "Mana Siphoner" 🗿
@wodzefag8062
@wodzefag8062 Жыл бұрын
this is so good thank you so much!
@kongchen3122
@kongchen3122 Жыл бұрын
There is one more that no one thought of, It’s insane
@mcdowe245
@mcdowe245 Жыл бұрын
Uninstalling the game? You can't die if you don't play.
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing you mean the Ultimatum shield with the unpronounceable name. That's not new, albeit yes he missed it here.
@sethgradwell2366
@sethgradwell2366 Жыл бұрын
How would a melding of the flesh setup compare with the above setups?
@woolfgangmozrt20
@woolfgangmozrt20 2 ай бұрын
please, make an update to this video with all the new available options
@tylermcdonald4138
@tylermcdonald4138 Жыл бұрын
Love the vid, thanks
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
how can be strength of blood be used in COMBINATION with the other setups? its a timeless notable, just like transcendence and divine flesh
@Kunkku
@Kunkku Жыл бұрын
good stuff, but kinda weird not to talk about one of the most popular defense which is incandescent hear + low life
@Arccanos
@Arccanos Ай бұрын
Wish this had been done with 85% max chaos res on fourth vow.
@josifal-khatib7543
@josifal-khatib7543 Жыл бұрын
Very nice video, for sure ill try to use this knowledge. I wonder if you can perhaps make a video on how to fully utilize "defy pain" from berserker ascendancy. Tried it and almost died all the time when it reached 10 stacks. Perhaps there is a way to abuse it?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Yeah, to make use of it you need to obtain sources of reduced reflected damage(physical). Overall it's a pretty poor node due to being quite unreliable, and I do fully expect it to be gone whenever they rework Berserker(perhaps in 3.22)
@Exness10000
@Exness10000 9 ай бұрын
perfect , thanks so much
@l.s.6125
@l.s.6125 Жыл бұрын
Thank a lot for this very informative video! Do you think that the fourth vow setup is viable for builds with less armor, like around 25-30k armor?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Absolutely yes, because it uses your full armour value it will still be very effective
@l.s.6125
@l.s.6125 Жыл бұрын
Ok great news, thanks for your answer!
@chinhowwong3399
@chinhowwong3399 Жыл бұрын
Have to click the subscribe button because of this video u made
@tylermcdonald4138
@tylermcdonald4138 Жыл бұрын
And, tempered by war, purity of fire sublime, and dawnbreaker ci cheiftin with uber forbiden jeweles, and get 100 % phys as fire or chaos
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Yep that's an extremely tanky build with massive amounts of investment but once it's running it's very strong indeed
@burakahmettr8193
@burakahmettr8193 Жыл бұрын
do you think fourth vow survives another league ? im doing a boneshatter build right now with it, its pretty cheap and setup doesnt use too much skill points and easy to get go, im stil leveling (88) i wonder how strong that setup when its completed. i still think its not worth for trade league to make too much defensive layers but i dont wanna die, life quality drops when you try to survive with just ele res cap
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the item either a) get significantly increased in rarity or b) gets nerfed by item modifier value dropping from 100% of armour defending chaos damage hits to maybe 50% of armour.
@messerarsenal7825
@messerarsenal7825 Жыл бұрын
It will survive IMO cuz its a global drop, not a specific drop in the League mechanic like Eternal Damnation or Original Sin. Both of them are gone, I used Eternal Damnation and It was REALLY strong, but theres one item that survived the nerfs and still are on the game, its the Maven flask Progenesis, that shit is broken on HP builds its a Lot of eHP and with PF you can perma use it.
@silvos_85
@silvos_85 Жыл бұрын
Great video.
@junkiewolds7561
@junkiewolds7561 Жыл бұрын
15:04 - PoB doing this calculations wrong, because Loreweave sais - "Your maximum resistances IS 78%" - Which directly means that penetration does not work on you , your max el res CANNOT be lowered by any ways. It will always stays 78%
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Penetration doesn't lower your resistance, it's a bypass. The hit bypasses your effective resistance by the stated amount of penetration. So, this is incorrect, and penetration does work against Loreweave. The only thing that Loreweave does it set your maximum resistances to the stated number. Modifiers to maximum resistance no longer effect you, such as the modifier on the Transcendence keystone or the negative maximum fire resistance from standing on a fire grate in the Searing Exarch boss fight. Penetration will still fully impact you.
@VinMos
@VinMos Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't lightning coil be really great and easy with transcendence if you manage to get some +max resses from other places? Or am I missing something here?
@fabiant.2485
@fabiant.2485 Жыл бұрын
Getting +18% max resistance (equivalent of loreweave setting your max res to 78%) would be MUCH harder to achieve through passives and gear than to getting ~50% phys damage taken as elemental from other places.
@SappinYourSentries
@SappinYourSentries Жыл бұрын
The answer is yes, it would be quite good with it, but getting enough max res/armour to not get oneshot by big elemental hits is quite tricky especially if you don’t have your body armour slot open for loreweave.
@SuperRoxasXIII13
@SuperRoxasXIII13 Жыл бұрын
thx for the info
@paveljanik9970
@paveljanik9970 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking even building back in the day with incenescent heart and CI. because 100% chaos mitigation is more than 90. with some heavy investing, I think CI could be superior to divine flesh. that means being ES build. thoughts?
@princecuddle
@princecuddle 11 ай бұрын
@Dreamcore I recently came across some new defensive tech that i haven't seen anyone using. Would you like to get in contact and discuss about the tech and potentially make a build around it?
@woltexdante
@woltexdante Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to compare survivability with dodge kintsugi, block aegis Aurora, leech and that one keystone and the new stun keystone. Also with mom and the alva unique boots maybe? What else is a good defensive setup thats not "capped resistances and 100% suppress"?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Any chance based defensive mechanic is impossible to accurately compare survivability against a non chance based mechanic - this is not to say that those mechanics are bad or not useful, just hard to compare or the comparison is not useful.
@izaruburs9389
@izaruburs9389 Жыл бұрын
One of the most broken setups is mantle of flames paired with dawnbreaker and purity of fire suplime vision. If you pair this with some other sources of 'phys damage taken as' mods, like taste of hate, you turn practicly immortal. Slam a ruby flask with alot of flask effect ontop of that you turn into an absolute beast.
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn Жыл бұрын
@@izaruburs9389 I tried that setup in Kalandra league. The problem? That damn Sublime Vision jewel was like 90 divines+! Everything else you can put together without spending too much, but that ONE JEWEL puts it out of reach - and it doesn't really work well without it (you'll still need your cold and light res up, whereas with it you can ignore them and free up suffixes). Also that you can't run any other auras.
@izaruburs9389
@izaruburs9389 Жыл бұрын
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Ye sublime droprates are just insane. 1% to even get one and most are practicly useless. But If you get there it's straight up insane defense for all dmg types.
@ervieabello2390
@ervieabello2390 Жыл бұрын
So what Sir did you recommend for the jugg build like Juggernaut Molten Strike build ty I hope you reply on it
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
The Fourth Vow setup is VERY strong on Jugg with Unbreakable.
@ervieabello2390
@ervieabello2390 Жыл бұрын
Ty so much sir
@ervieabello2390
@ervieabello2390 Жыл бұрын
About the Unlerenting passive is good too
@xXMaukiorXx
@xXMaukiorXx Жыл бұрын
i imagine the mod phys damage reduction doesnt apply to chaos hit when using Fourth Vow ?
@bahamut458
@bahamut458 Жыл бұрын
Could someone go into a bit more detail about how flat phys reduction interacts with phys taken as an element and less physical damage. Is there an order of operations there?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
You can check out my Mechanics Explained video series - it has an episode on Armour and Additional Physical Damage Reduction and another episode on the full order of operations when receiving damage.
@bahamut458
@bahamut458 Жыл бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg perfect, cheers
@SappinYourSentries
@SappinYourSentries Жыл бұрын
@@bahamut458 tl;dr is that “damage taken as” changes the damage type before any mitigation is applied, preventing the same type of scaling opportunities that offensive damage conversion provides (which is good because it would be broken).
@mohamu007
@mohamu007 Жыл бұрын
really good content
@ashjia
@ashjia Жыл бұрын
Is Strength of blood + Leech craft on Flasks combo like 7.5% less dmg any good?
@tlucnlf
@tlucnlf Жыл бұрын
What about full fire conversion with Rakiata keystone 🤔
@izaruburs9389
@izaruburs9389 Жыл бұрын
The top dog of mitigation but impractical for almost every build. The shown setups use 2 items and maybe 1 cluster jewel to get their defencive layers to a very respectable value. While the full conversion one requieres 5+ items to function properly.
@headeyes_762_BP
@headeyes_762_BP Жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn't add 90% all resist aegis+melding combo
@izaruburs9389
@izaruburs9389 Жыл бұрын
Because mitigation wise it's just 90% res. Recovery based defences are very hard to calc and compare. Something like uber shapers slam for example cannot be blocked and deals insane phsical damage which would instantly ruin any aegis user while the shown layers of defence in this video with investment can all easily facetank that. Same for dmg over time, aegis does litterly nothing to stop this outside of the 90% res, which is technicly not unique to aurora users.
@marshmallow5915
@marshmallow5915 Жыл бұрын
great job btw
@tommark22
@tommark22 Жыл бұрын
I`ts good to know that 3 options. THANKS
@Raiwulf
@Raiwulf 6 ай бұрын
is this still relevant? please make a new version! love it
@Triumph633
@Triumph633 Жыл бұрын
I dont know about best, but I feel like almost every one has a downside. Im currently using Ivory Tower with Prism Guardian as a Guardian (using Coruscating elixier with the Lehion Jewel to keep chaos damage from bypassing ES, this gives 100% automated uptime). This leaves me with high block/spell block (guardian, block nodes, Tempest shield, Watchers Eye) while also having high armour (Guardian reserved life) elemental ailment immunity ( Purity of Elements), Bleed immunity (Steelskin), 84% curse reduction (jewels + Pantheon), at least 28% physical damage conversion to chaos/elemental (gear, watchers eye, passive), about 1000 flat ES regen and 78 max resist. I was actually considering getting Spell suppress aswell and im still thinking about it, because it could get about 30% on gear and 22% on the tree + the lucky node with basically makes it so i have about 65% with kinda low investment (could also use the flask). The downside of this is that there are some things that remove flask effects like Thiefs Grip and a rare nemesis? mod. Thou this is rare and any boss encounter you are safe aswell. I also cannot run ele reflect without respecing 4 points or No regen. And it obviously is very expensive to gear. The first setup u showed here is nice but also very weak to poison and wither (unless you get immunity to poison at least).
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
I don't really think that the Fourth Vow setup is weak against poison or any chaos damage really, unless you have really bad recovery, it has 80% chaos resistance which is going to be more than most builds and it's not like you can't invest further into DoT protection such as pantheon/mastery.
@spinalgrey3600
@spinalgrey3600 Жыл бұрын
Yes but vest way to play Incandescent Heart is take CI keystone it's strait 25% taken less ele dmg, you can also play max ele res and phys as ele dmg, from helmet you can take around 20%, purity of fire cold lightning give max ele res and you can take phys to fire etc. From watchers eye. You can play dps aura on blessing (it's op in my opinion, for map clear you don't need more dps but for boss yes, so tap button on bosses ;p) and squize purity to that element you need 😉 I think about my next build, mabe armour stack scion? Aegis aurora is op as fuck, or mabe transcendence CI with aegis aurora full conversion phys to ele? I'm love immortal build 😛
@renmeker6588
@renmeker6588 Жыл бұрын
Thx for this overview. I was wodering what defensives the top delver guys are using and this sums it up perfectly. Would be nice if you (since I dont have the knowledge..) or somebody else could create a google doc or smth summarizing all the mentioned and all the here mentioned defensive options. Understanding defensive layers and how to obtain them reduces PoEs complexity quite a lot since certain point/gear slots must be spend before trying to push for dmg.
@thomasgoodwill
@thomasgoodwill Жыл бұрын
Not to be that guy but top deep delvers do not use any of these defenses. They heavily invest into evasion, dodge, block and other forms of avoidance and play zHP characters. When you reach that low in the mine, no matter what are your defenses, you'll still be dropping dead for every other monster pack. You're better off building avoidance and investing all the remaining power budget into damage so you kill mobs before they kill you.
@renmeker6588
@renmeker6588 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasgoodwill there is not one zhp delve build in the current and also last league. Zhp is dead.
@ObliviousApple
@ObliviousApple Жыл бұрын
which of these would you say are the most "budget" in terms of build investment (not currency)
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Both the Fourth Vow setup and the Incandescent Heart setup are extremely similar in terms of investment (the FV needs to invest in some maximum all elemental resists, meanwhile the IH setup will be more focused on obtaining as much max chaos resistance as possible)
@ZenOnYch
@ZenOnYch Жыл бұрын
I really miss Eternal Damnation. Hope it'll return soon to the core game
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
If it does(which I think it will at some point) it will likely be nerfed considerably I'd expect
@jhamezsky
@jhamezsky Жыл бұрын
currently using the fourth vox + divine flesh and I can tank Uber shaper slam.
@matthiasingerle7849
@matthiasingerle7849 Жыл бұрын
Wouldnt the forth vow setup with divine flesh synergise well with dawnbreaker as a good bit of lightning and cold gets converted to fire so you basically only need chaos and fire res. Or am i wrong
@matthiasingerle7849
@matthiasingerle7849 Жыл бұрын
Plus the shield grants a lot of armour and phys taken as fire!
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Well, on a max roll Dawnbreaker you'd still be taking 30% of cold/lightning damage as that damage type, so you do still need resistance for those types otherwise you would just die to it
@matthiasingerle7849
@matthiasingerle7849 Жыл бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg true but as a budget version for mahuxotl's machination in combination with tempered by war from lethal pride i think its pretty okay (at least till you can afford mahuxotl's machination)
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
Did i understand that correctly? Lets say the enemy uses an attack that deals 10.000 cold damage damage: You got 65% phys reduction You got 90% ele res You got 80% chaos res The calculation would be: 10k -> split into 5000 cold damage -> 500 using the 90% ele res and the other 5000 -> 1000 using 80% chaos res, and then 350 using the armour? so all in all it would become 850 damage? considering the normal damage taken would be 1000 that doesnt really seem like its worth it no?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg 3 ай бұрын
You're unlikely to be scaling your elemental resistances to 90% if you're using the Fourth Vow, as that's a lot of investment to only assist in mitigating half of incoming elemental damage, and this investment could be spent scaling armour etc. Investing into some max resistances is beneficial, but not all the way to 90%. Damage reduction(as a percentage gained from armour) is not a fixed amount, it is dependant on the amount of armour you have relative to the size of the hit. In your calculation, if you had 50,000 armour, the 1000 chaos damage would be reduced by 90%, down to 100 chaos damage. The strength of Fourth Vow/Divine Flesh combo really comes from the amount of mitigation it provides out of the box with limited investment. Even with as little as 20-25k armour, it provides incredible amounts of mitigation because applying your full armour value akin to Transcendence to post-resistance mitigation damage is extremely powerful, not to mention when you're against elemental penetration, where penetration is avoided on half of the damage.
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg if we assume that we wont have 90% all res then it makes it even worse right? wouldnt going for 90 all res then be stronger than adding that defensive setup? that would have been interesting to see in your calculation examples. the 3 setups compared not just to each other but to a max res normal setup. also, you said that the leech defensive layer can be ADDED to any of the 3 defensive setups but thats not possible right? each one of the 4 requires a keystone provided by a timeless jewel and you can only use one timeless jewel at a time so they are mutually exclusive no?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg 3 ай бұрын
@@dervakommtvonhinten517 Yeah my brain was off in regards to SoB, you can't use those together. It's very dependant on investment, you can say all of these stats but they aren't equals - getting to 90% all elemental resistance is in no way equal investment to equipping a fourth vow and speccing into divine flesh on a character with moderate armour
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg ye, at first i wanted to go the 90% all res route, but you changed my mind on that. its so much more investment for not much more benefit. sure, you will feel most hits less, but the most dangerous hits are those with penetration and there it doesnt help much. so instead, i rather go the cheaper route and spend all the freed up passive points, equipmentslots etc to get additional defensive layers. some endurance charges and 20 fortification to also cover the physical side, as much crit additional damage reduction as possible and elemental ailment immunity with stormshroud. i think overall thats gonna make me way tankier than investing so much into the transcendence setup.
@sher1412
@sher1412 Жыл бұрын
i wish u used real damage numbers of for example maven memory game in ur vid
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
I'm going to do a follow up to this video today or tomorrow with boss abilities
@minibleau
@minibleau Жыл бұрын
Fourth vows downside is that its a pretty dogshit body armour statwise, im currently levelling a jugg to test my pob has 350k ehp 10m dmg, and its relatively wasy to achieve. Super intrigued. I think it would be best in delve and such
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's not the best, the armour is pretty low and no life. The 3% regen is quite nice though, but overall I think its upsides far outweight the downsides.
@minibleau
@minibleau Жыл бұрын
@Dreamcore thats how it should be :) otherwise why have a gear slot at all!
@xxapoloxx
@xxapoloxx Жыл бұрын
What is the difference between Elemental resistances and "From Hits".
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Not sure I understand the question exactly, but a hit can be defended using armour if the stat is in place(ex. the fourth vow allows armour to work against chaos hits, when it does so the hit first is mitigated by chaos resistance and then by armour), but damage over time is not affected by armour and therefore in this example it is only impacted by resistances. The divine flesh keystone doesn't specifiy that it only works for hits, therefore it also shifts damage over time to be taken as chaos so that portion will be defended using your chaos resistance.
@xxapoloxx
@xxapoloxx Жыл бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg You have elemental resistance. Then you are hit by 50% phisical and 50% say fire. is this affected by elemental resistance or not?, and then you have armor applied to elemental hits. This is terribly confusing.
@SappinYourSentries
@SappinYourSentries Жыл бұрын
@@xxapoloxx Armour ONLY applies to physical damage from hits unless some effect states otherwise (Fourth Vow, Juggernaut’s Unbreakable). Armour’s damage mitigation is based on a somewhat complicated formula and depends on how big the hit is. Elemental resistance is a percentage damage reduction that applies to all incoming elemental damage (both hits and dots). In your example, your armour would apply to the physical component of the hit and your elemental resistances would apply to the elemental component.
@nedlavelle
@nedlavelle Жыл бұрын
what about the bloodnotch stun combo?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Bloodnotch is very interesting indeed, I'm going to have to take a deeper look into it but as far as I'm aware you still need to be able to tank a hit that would otherwise kill the character outright to be able to heal it back up
@nedlavelle
@nedlavelle Жыл бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg yes, seems like a recovery layer that makes you immortal once you can build the damage reduction on top or over time with progenesis and/or petrified blood
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn Жыл бұрын
@@nedlavelle Bloodnotch is like armor in a way. Great against smaller hits, but breaks against big hits. Also doesn't work on DoTs.
@joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814
@joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814 Жыл бұрын
I believe that Armour applies before resistance
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
It applies after resistance, otherwise it would be quite weak.
@thibaud1330
@thibaud1330 Жыл бұрын
Fourth vow and mahuxotl's machination is prolly as tanks as it gets
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
Yes I should have made a note about Machination, very strong combo
@kokonut1156
@kokonut1156 Жыл бұрын
you didn't explain how fourth vow got 78 ele resist ?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg Жыл бұрын
The example resists were just approximating how I would expect those builds to invest into passive tree etc(whilst trying to keep them fairly even in investment), and since the fourth vow setup still needs to worry about elemental resists you'll likely grab soul of steel/prismatic skin etc.
@kokonut1156
@kokonut1156 Жыл бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg Soul of Steel + Prismatic Skin got it ty
@crustydoodlesack9117
@crustydoodlesack9117 Жыл бұрын
mi duck hole is so messed up these days
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
isnt the most disgusting damage chaos dot? that wouldnt apply to fourth vow right?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg 3 ай бұрын
Chaos DoT is pretty insignificant if you have capped chaos resistance with decent recovery
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg im thinking about combining that defense with its nice 3% life regen with RF. do you think thats possible or will it make me autodie to every dot out there?
@dreamcore_gg
@dreamcore_gg 3 ай бұрын
@@dervakommtvonhinten517 You can use it on RF but the lack of life on the body armour for scaing RF damage is unfortunate
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg well, i would only use RF for the spell multi. even if i dont use vaal RF thats still like a 40% MORE multiplier no?
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 3 ай бұрын
@@dreamcore_gg Thanks for replying by the way. Also, i thought of another question. Lets say i use that setup where i convert all my lightning and cold damage to fire and chaos damage, and then i equip a sublime vision with the effect 30% of Fire and Lightning Damage taken as Cold Damage while affected by Purity of Ice. does that mean 30% of that fire damage just gets deleted?
@davidmaltais2912
@davidmaltais2912 Жыл бұрын
100% phys to ele taken imo
@ChubbyPOE
@ChubbyPOE Жыл бұрын
You forgot the most godly defensive setup: being a jugg
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