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I feel like Beartooth is riiiiight there. Like one breakout song away. But I also think Caleb can absolutely write a massive pop hit, but hes also a hardcore kid at heart who wants to stay true.

Finn: As long as rock insists on limiting itself to guitars, bass, drums and vocals, rock has nothing new to offer Also Finn: A trumpet? Get that nerd shit out of my face

Polyphia sounds like waiting room music at an upscale day spa.

Royal Blood are definitely a band that have songs which are worthy enough to become classics in the near future. Songs like Figure It Out, Little Monster, Loose Change, Out Of The Black, How Did We Get So Dark, Lights Out etc are all great songs that will stand the test of time.

I do think people sleep so much on the modern rock and metal scene and say blanket statements like "there's nothing interesting or original" but then you can show them a bunch of bands doing interesting unique shit and they'll be like "okay but they're an exception" when half the scene is doing different unique shit or evolving sounds in better ways. people just ignore it because its not shoved in their face and huge like stuff from the 2000s and before was

I’m surprised that Bad Omens was not mentioned. They’ve been steadily growing since Dethrone, but they also had a good break out Moment with their newest Album. I believe that they could become one of biggest bands of the new generation. I’m also kind of surprised that nobody said Can You Feel My Heart by bmth.

A lot of the scene in my area has gone from live bands to people making ambient, noise, and experimental heavier sounds using vinyl records, samplers, and foot peddles. It became a thing during the pandemic when bands couldn't jam around town. I've seen a lot of artists putting out music that's more of an aphex twin approach to sound and composition.

I think the point about mainstream monoculture going away is super accurate. What's mainstream today feels less like what the majority likes and more like a plurality of what niche gets the most attention. What will be considered "classics" will likely going forward be the songs within various niches that attracted the most new faces into the group. For instance in metal right now that will likely be songs like to the hellfire and demolisher. What I think is key in making a classic within a niche is to have a solid foundation punctuated by one moment in the song that everyone is going to point to to react and clip and share. A real wow factor that people in and out of the niche can recognize as something special and impressive. Alex doing the insanely loud and inhumanly low Demolisher chant and the peak of the song, and Will's nasty animalistic screams capping off to the hellfire. These songs were defined by these brief widely shared moments, without overshadowing how well written the rest of the song is, allowing them to have staying power rather than just being remembered for that one cool part exclusively. I think what made poppy a flash in the pan in comparison is the way her songs were rooted in mainstream exploring the metal niche rather than being rooted in the niche itself. She made some cool songs that even my friends who didn't like metal at all were into, and it was a good median of what each of us liked, but since it wasn't strongly defined within the metal niche, metal heads were inevitably going to see it as a neat gimmick for a pop song and eventually forget, and then when the rapidly changing pop mainstream rotated it out of the cultural collective, it had nowhere to call home and was just sadly forgotten.

I have no clue what songs will have staying power in the popular culture but my own personal list of songs that if I put them on in 10 years I’ll probably still love are: Magnolia Park - 2009 If I Die First and SeeYouSpaceCowboy - bloodstainedeyes Sueco - Loser Darko US - Pale Tongue I wouldn’t say these are current favorite songs or even the songs I listen most but they all give me that vibe of these are gonna be the songs that come up on random and I’ll be transported back to 2018-2023 and be super into them.

Sleep Token is what I wanted Ghost to be. Keep surpassing my expectations.

4:59 ... or as *I like to call them* : _Lorna Snore_

Bad Omens - Just Pretend Bring Me The Horizon - Kingslayer Sleep Token - The Summoning Loathe - Two-Way Mirror Electric Callboy - Hypa Hypa Architects - Doomsday Spiritbox - Circle With Me Just a few off the top of my head from the last 5ish years

Mastodon,BTBAM, Whitechapel and Periphery are solid bands to be classics, hands down

I'm Canadian so I grew up on Much Music LOUD lol. 30mins a day was all they could do for heavy metal hahaha

Sanguisugabogg will still be listened to by me 10 years from now

Nobody else on KZfaq has the algorithm in a chokehold like you do. I am obsessed with your videos because I love rock and metal, but I could easily see your videos being incredibly popular with all kinds of people. You just have that sort of charisma and you embody something about KZfaq that we all want. Somehow you're relevant and yet you still seem very nostalgic. I would recommend your channel to anybody!

You’re absolutely killing it man. Keep it up.

Author & Punisher, both based on the novelty of a literal one man band playing single person performances with a death-synth mechasuit, and based on the sound & songwriting itself, I believe will be a future classic. At least one song. If I had to pick one, it would be Drone Carrying Dread, but it really could be any of them.

i have absolutely thought the same way about lorna shore after the release of to the hellfire, and it'll probably be one of my "teenage years favorite" 10-15 years later.

Hope there's some new rock / metal that goes beyond and doesn't limit to guitar, bass and drums, there's 10x the world out there besides those instruments just within the confines of rock, let alone with any genre of music

Lorna shore in an interview with charismatic voice said that sleep token is his favorite band. I would agree. Sleep token has way more range and diversity of sound than most bands I hear. Their look inhibits them with mainstream audiences but they keep on surprising people like myself

While I agree that Glow On is a top contender for a modern day classic, I think the song Gravity is what really made Turnstile crossover into the mainstream.

to the guy in chat that says protest the hero i regret to inform you that protest has been around for 20 years

I'm very surprised when it comes to Rock nobody ever mentions the Texas Hippy Coalition, they been around for years and are the most rock a band could possibly be before becoming metal. In my opinion...

"Here's the thing". Get's me everytime.

Dude I honestly miss watching 2-3 hours of music videos just to hear 2-3 of my favorite songs back in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s. Headbanger's Ball especially was one of my favorite shows because it was mostly stuff I actually wanted to listen to. Good times, simple times.

I think people are missing the train coming in for the Asian bands, which are bringing fresh energy into something that was once culturally western specific. However, if we're going to see this as a new genre instead of a cluster of genres, it will need a "big four" as rock and metal genres have done before. Currently, there is Babymetal (the creators), the Hu (the more rock side) and Bloodywood (the more metal side) in this "Asian metal" genre (if that is what we're considering). If another comes along, to fill out the fourth spot, I feel people are going to start paying attention to this snowball gaining speed, and adding to it rapidly, like what happened to nu metal in the 90's, which was also weird, quirky and fresh to us. You can definitely have 2nd waves, 3rd waves, etc. such as pop punk, but I feel the only thing that would reignite the interest, culture and publicity of rock & metal is a brand new genre. Trap metal could have done that if they weren't so niche in their sound (not saying they're bad, but they will only ever get a limited audience, like sad boi rap).

Anything with super intricate, noisy, effect-laden soundscapes like that Daughters album, the Swans trilogy albums or Gilla Band I think is a very important direction for rock and metal music. Idles I'd say is a very accessible iteration of these kinds of bands and it's super cool seeing them gain the relatively successful status they have. I think neo-psychedelia has a lot of potential too for reshaping heavier music except the only people that listen to it are, of course, goddamn hippies. Metalheads and scene people, I demand, need to infiltrate the Impala-verse

On your main channel. You should do a video on channels like equal vision and Deathwish. Cause I know you aren’t a huge fan of some of the bands. But 00s Equal vision records was really awesome. It almost had its own sound. Even with bands like Cirxa or Chiodos - they sounded different than band like A Day To Remember as far as production and style And then Death Wish in the 2010s was just killing it. And I mean Kurt ballou was killing it already- and Jane Doe was on Equal vision and produced by Kurt. And I’m sure there are other labels you could mention in that video. But just the way that different labels had their own sound in the early thousands. Not to mention Equal VISON was started by the Yourh Of Today guy. I just think it’s cool how the old school hardcore - then started producing post hardcore and stuff on equal video. And the fact that Kurt was involved with lots of those recordings. And then Jacob’s Dearh Wish also had a ton of Kurt Ballou production. For me personally those were my favorite years in music. You the man Finn. Thanks for the years of content.

Going into this and felt like commenting before watching. I must say, from this lower vantage point, it just looks like a list of everything that is currently trending, maybe barring Ghost who are merely in the top segment of the food chain since some time. I'm looking forward to be proven wrong! Edit: turns out that the title was merely a bit misleading since the video was, rather, an evaluation of staying power for a number of currently trending rock bands. Quite an apt one too, I'd say.

The Death of Peace of Mind will be a certified classic within 10 years, especially if they continue their upward trajectory. Bad Omens bridged the gap with Noah's vocals to reach fans of multiple genres of music.

😂😂😂😂😂 another classic "here's the thing!" Happy Easter Finn!

I didn't know Lorna Shore was still around. They're classic for sure as I remember them from the Traitors/Last 10 Seconds era too

Not metal, but The Starting Line’s Direction album is full of classics to me. I listen to this album every couple of months.

Where is the “here’s the thing” clip from?

thanks for using my tweet homie :)

“The type of people that would listen to Mastadon would like Ghost” Nailed it! I’m literally that guy. I loved mastodon the moment I discovered them back in 2006 when I was looking for new music to put on my MySpace page lmao The song was “The Wolf is Lose” btw Same when I heard Square Hammer for the first time. Love it right when I head it

i've been listening to a lot of Spiritbox and Conquer Divide since last year, and this year Sleep Token (i know , late) i would also recommend The Warning , a cool more classic rock sounding female band .

I believe Drug Church has some pop sensibilities in their songs. Million miles of fun is catchy as hell

Completely disagree with your take on sleep token. I personally feel like they have arguably the best shot at mainstream success right now. I think the soul/R&B side of their style could be the key. Think about an artist like The Weeknd or Sam Smith who are not too far off from that side of sleep tokens sound. Both of those artists have had a bit of an “edgier” presentation with their latest releases which tells me that their audience could be accepting of a band with an image like Sleep Token. If sleep token manages to have a song that makes waves with that particular audience, I think they have a solid shot at massive mainstream success.

12:32 Whatever Sleep Token is doing hasn’t been done in Rock before

Holy Roller by Spiritbox feels like a modern classic, such a catchy ass song that’s still pretty heavy. I definitely see Lorna Shore, Bad Omens, Sleep Token, Turnstile and Falling In Reverse will all be looked back upon as classics. But I doubt the current music landscape in rock and metal will have bands reach the level of a Slipknot or MCR. It’s definitely more so people finding niche pockets of the scene they like.

I love you FInn, but I think you need to include the various genres of electronic music in your critique about artists creating innovative music. Some of the best producers are electronic music producers that produce beyond the scope of 808s and closed high hat trap beats that dominate popular rap and pop these days. There is so much innovation coming from so many producers in the bass music, IDM, EDM, dubstep, house, techno, hybrid tap, and various other electronic music genres. Look at most of the biggest festivals these days. A good percentage of festivals are mostly filled with DJs and producers DJing a multitude of genres in one set. Think about the famous EDC or Ultra music festival. Would love to help you explore a variety of electronic artists for your channel to include in the discussion.

Turnstile sounds like, Snapcase and Ignite had a baby together.

What will it take for Finn to talk about Bad Omens

Turnstile rocks here from Baltimore so I hope they're repping our city very well for y'all.

The problem is most are only talking about what is trendy. A band like Holy Fawn is incredible. Not basic song structure and don’t sound like anyone else. Chat Pile is great and unique. Chelsea Wolfe is another that brings a lot of different sounds. Youth Code have really brought back the industrial sound but fused with hardcore instead of metal. In my opinion if we are talking a more rock sound it has to be something pushing boundaries and not hoping on a trend. Bands like Botch and DEP are classic bands now and they didn’t go over well when they came out.

The thing about Sleep Token. I remember Finn always talking about one of the main indicators of a successful band is having a large female audience. Let me tell you then - ladies LOOOVE Sleep Token

11:34 honestly i disagree, not even because i dislike MGK. i just see him being in the position that we look at bands like Hoobastank and Saliva now.

(Sorry for my bad English) MGK was my gateway to the world of rock/metal, the album tickets to my downfall came out at the end of high school and my friends and I only listened to Pop music and EDM, but when a girlfriend a friend of ours showed us Bloody Valentine, our jaws dropped, we loved that song and, consequently, we loved the album and when he released his second album, I ended up discovering Bring me the Horizon and Sleeping with Siren and I was sinking into the scene of metalcore and pop punk. (Obs: I have 19 yers old)

That poppy song sounds like it could be in league of legends

24:30 Something about Sleep Token just grabbed me from the beginning. And every single song they've put out (save for "Chokehold") just had my attention the first 10 seconds. I can see the Dillinger comparison, though I hope they make it farther than that. If you've heard Vessel's cover of "Hey Yaaa" by Outkast, they could EASILY write some radio classics. But they'd have to choose that, and I don't think that's what ST is about.

Where is the 'Here is the thing!' quote from?

I can say I am pretty invested in the current wider scene, probably a bit too much, and still agree with most of the arguments here, it's not just an age or interest thing. Still, there are interesting things happening, but they cant build up momentum because of the whole "death of the mono culture" thing. It might be worth adding Bad Omens here BUT there are not there yet and need to really push the TFOPOM material further to maybe get there. Same with Spiritbox, as long as they continue in the Rotoscope direction. As much as I love them, I think Electric Callboy have reached their peak and cant really surprise us with anything, especially with the reaction scene arguably in something of a decline. Pretty much along what has already been said but as far as "stars" go nowadays, Ronnie, Courtney, Will Ramos are probably as close to what we consider a celebrity as you can get these days, maybe with the addition of Noah Sebastian and few others but thats about it. Looking forward to checking who was right and wrong around 2030-2040...

Also when popular monster came out that felt new to me. 13:12

Honestly, I think alternative music in general has one of the brightest futures ever, as "mainstream pop culture" kinda starts to shift and fade in the eyes of everyone. There is an incredible number of young people from all over the world who get inspired by all sorts of alternative music wether it is rock, metal, rap, alt pop or electronic music and all of these scenes and their new members can now be easily connected through the internet. Gatekeeping has also kinda gone back so the probality that we see might see like a classic hit song in 5 years that is a combination of pop, riddim, trap and djent by some brazilian/vietnamese duo that met on a random ass discord server is not 0 xd In all seriousness I think the metal and rock scene is not lacking in the songwriting department I think it's lacking in overall creativity. If you have like a thousand different bands that would all upload the weirdest most nonsensical shit that was only ever meant for the musician that wrote it you'd probably be closer to finding a new classic than you'd be digging in a thousand different tracks that were all made to impress someone else and gain respect within a scene.

Finn, not to argue, simply to get your opinion bc I've never heard you really talk about it. Will you explain what exactly makes Lil Uzi Vert "rock"? Bc he's absolutely a rapper...

My pick would be Monsters by All Time Low. It destroyed my brain when I heard a clean, softer cover of it playing in a Wal-Mart.

23:07 games we play is a new band. They sound a tad generic but they right cool songs that are super catchy

I'm gonna disagree with Finn regarding the song writing being weak rn. I think generally if you look at any genre's big artists good song writing is hard to come by. Knocked Loose, Khubali Khan TX, Bad Omens, Counterparts, Sunami, Zulu are all great song writers and that's literally just off the top of my head. I think if you look at top 100 charts you're bound to find out boring red state rock bands with boring lyrics

The anime fandom is pretty open to rock and metal through insert songs. Series like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen have gotten plenty of mainstream recognition. I don't know if you could consider them classics in the same way as you are describing, but with how popular anime is now, I feel like a lot of new rock and metal will be influenced by Japanese music.

I know A7X has been around for quite a while, but I feel like they are constantly forging new paths is music that will be looked upon as iconic classics, despite less radio playtime.

At this point I'd like to recommend the album "Future Classic" by orphantwin (Vocalist of Norma Jean)

Drain and Scowl coming in hot for the torch next to Turnstile Knocked Loose will be talked about for years as well

Dude Polyphia has been pumping out bangers for over a decade

I Don't Mind by Giovanni and the Hired Guns needs more love. This band needs more.

Love the content man and also love the channel too

18:02 Ghost's harmonies and guitar riffs remind me a LOT of Alice in Chains.

Idk, I think Poppy is gonna inspire people. But not alone, all these other female/queer pop and rap artists going metal or metal artists taking pop influences are going to inspire a lot of people. In This Moment and Babymetal as older examples, Poppy, Rina Sawayama, Grimes, Ashnikko, Scene Queen, Delilah Bon, etc. as newer examples.

I’ve honestly gotten a lot more into some underground bands one underground thrash band that’s pretty good is septik they the are apart of the underground Houston hardcore scene and they mix hardcore and thrash very well especially for a young band

What's going to happen is, some kpop management company is going to assemble a metal krock/pop hybrid group, 100 million teen girls will fall rabidly in love with them, and they'll be huge.

I'm still mind blown that Lorna Shore became so huge, totally deserve it and they're incredible but if you were to tell me music like that would have 14M views on youtube in months I would have thought you were joking

Finn, do a video of what you recommend to listen if you used to be a emo fan, nu metal fan, classic rock fan, etc. Rise Against is the newest band i listen and the only new thing im into are the unreleased songs from Linkin Park's Meteora anniversary

Rivers of Nihl, needs be associated with this

what about palaye royale and bad omens and manikin each one of them are doing very well and could all go down as classics

We’ve been through this before. This just Nu metal 2023

We came as romans definitely needs a raise

HERE'S THE THING!!!😂😂😂

01:23 oh wow ppl are still chasing that GameStop windfall? lol

Cobra starship 😂😂😂 wow I haven’t heard that name for a hot minute

Pierce The Veil - Collide With The Sky

I sat here for almost 20 minutes to make sure that Hypa Hypa was on the list. Also WTF is up with the hype for Bad Omens? It's impossible to get tickets to see them because they're selling out so fast. Please cover this.

Alesana is kinda classic emo not everybody likes them I think do to there screamo but there very nostalgic. Alesana wasn’t what introduced me to screamo but there screaming is good for love hahaha bless the fall for the win haha. They where my first screamo that I got into and listened to there music haha

BTW I've always thought I was the type of metal nerd you hate, but apparently I fall under the "Mastodon fan" distinction. And I love Ghost.

Sabaton will probably will have some songs that will be considered classic in the future

Machine Gun Kelly in the thumbnail. Thanks the laugh before I've even watched it, Finn

is Midtown considered one of the bands that never got big? I love them and other 30+ people love them, but they never seem to be cited as an influence for anything. Im sure cobra starship is, but Midtown seems forgotten. for Polyphia, I feel like G.O.A.T was a larger break out than playing god. Have you seen the goofy little beefs I Set My Friends On Fire has been doing to get attention?

i feel like falling in reverse is the biggest band in the scene, it’s funny tho because escape the fate are falling off. i like craig don’t get me wrong but they lost their main ingredient kicking out ronnie. but falling in reverse is just so much better with everything they do.

Polyphia's abc will be super big if it hasn't already

I was actually thinking the same thing about Lorna Shore, Suicide Silence actually went nuts during the Warped era... Unanswered Wake Up and You only live once might live on forever.

Whenever you hear “here’s the thing” he means business!

I kept seeing imagery for this Ghost band, the evil looking pope etc without ever listening to their music. I expected it to be death metally, Rammstein'ish etc........then I heard it, uhm ok lol 😂

5:04 Wrong lol. To the Hellfire was mid 2021.

Architects,municipal waste,bury tomorrow a few other bands not doing anything new but I think they will be remembered.

My favorite punk album is Mystic Stylez by Three 6 Mafia

13:35 I used to love $uicideboy$ like several years ago (before they got overly popular and their music got lame) but this is sincerely just a pretty dumb statement... so you call this southern hip hop group a genre that they _clearly aren't_ and then when they tell you otherwise you insist "that's rock fans problem rock fans are close minded". so i guess if you say Cephalotripsy are "the new jazz" in your next video and when jazz fans say they aren't you're gonna say "jazz fans don't want anything new or different". like i usually don't pull quotes and scrutinize them like this but... it's just such a bizarre thing to say

Spiritbox , Loathe. Darko US, Architects - Doomsday, Lorna Shore

What about periphery? Maybe not a mainstream classic like ghost, but within the metal community?

Can u do a video of talking about asking Alexandria please finn if u can please when u get the chance that would make my day man.