Thanks PK, as an current owner of many of your products including 2 ALP's, I appreciate your hard work getting us to 4k, I can't wait for the preorders to open up!

Thanks PK. Hope you reconsider not allowing buyers of the 4k upgrade for the standard ALP to upgrade to a 4k monitor. A simple HDMI output would seem to be an easy solution, and of course 32" 4k monitors are pretty easy to get since I wouldn't expect AtGames to sell them.

That may have been the feedback interpreted from the focus group, but anyone who cares more about gameplay than screen resolution will strongly disagree. 120Hz refresh rate at any resolution would be preferred over 60Hz, especially for games like FPSes or pinball where reaction times and smooth animation provide a significant benefit to a person's performance in game. Most people are suckered into the 4K snake oil sales, thinking 4K resolution matters more than anything else. Of course a focus group is going to choose 4K resolution over 1080p or 2K, they likely think it's objectively better in every way. I guarantee most people would prefer a display with a better refresh rate in a blind comparison.

Thank you for the great input@@jimhenderson438 !

@@mg-ox5zj Yeah, it's the worse compromise between the two. They prioritized resolution when it is a less significant factor than gameplay. It would have been better to go with a 2K screen @120 considering the visual improvement at 4k is so minimal.

On behalf of the entire AtGames fan-base, we thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to have a giveaway for an ALP 4KP! Let's do this!

Yes. Thank you. Very excited for this to come out.

Hi PK.. Amazing effort on this new product. Congratulations and thank you to your team for all their hard work on this.

Thank you for this awesome 4k pinball. It looks awesome. The only thing I would like to see different is the pinball machine art. I would love to see just one theme art and it to be one of your own tables that you guys created. Like a Dr. Suess, dinosaur or even one of the new tables that is coming out for the 4k pinball.

I will definitely sign up for that giveaway! I just recently got into virtual pinball a month ago and have been having a blast! My wife has been loving it too! We will definitely buy the table if we don't win though 😁

I couldn’t wait. At the price point they’re going to put the 4K, I couldn’t resist the 4th of July sale they had recently. The HD model is “so far, so good” (less the actual Arcadenet service)…spotty at best and just, meh 😒

I don't get in front of the camera often, but for this I made an exception. Very welcome on the video and thank you for you kind support!

Awesome, thank you - we're getting closer! Thank you also for your 2nd comment, I'm honored to be able to bring it to you!

Glad it was helpful!

Very welcome, thank you for watching!

lol, much appreciated! Working with 4K video was a first for me and definitely a lot more work, the files can get huge after just a few min. of recording. But, I couldn't see demonstrating a 4K display in 1080p. Just wouldn't have been right.

Thank you for checking it out, my friend! Hopefully we'll reach the 1k likes to have the giveaway, I want to see that happen for the community. I'm honored to have this opportunity to share the 4KP with everyone. A little over 2 years ago I bought my ALP HD, love it and it's humbling to be able to share the great work that AtGames has done with the 4KP. Congratulations on closing in on 40k subscribers, maybe as early as next week for UTH!! That's an amazing milestone and I'm very excited for you!

Thank you Michael! AFM is a beautiful looking cabinet. I'll likely not see that one in-person until maybe next year. But fortunately, it doesn't matter the skin, all tables can be played on any cabinet. If I get the chance to show AFM on this one before it ships, I definitely will.

Thank you so much! Part 3 is obviously taking a lot more time, I want to get it right and it is a lot of work. Should get'er done this week.

lol, you crack me up!! Yes Sir, AtGames is doing an amazing job! Thank you for your feedback and have an awesome weekend!

@@WagnersTechTalk You too Jon!.. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks for the great work!

@@WagnersTechTalk BTW.. So, my new revised Quiz Answer is... FERRIS !! "Anyone?.... anyone?..... Beuller?"😂

Yep, one step forward and two steps back. For each thing they upgrade, there's something really crappy about it that kind of defeats the purpose of the upgrade. They added solenoids, but they don't sound good based on the audio in the recording (sounds like a clicky pen to me). They made the backglass significantly bigger, but in doing so, the added DMD looks waaaaaaay too small. Nevermind that the new 4K machine will likely need to have all tables repurchased, even for those who bought all the tables for the original ALP. The product is likely the better choice for someone in the market for one of the machines as a new buyer, but I don't expect many people who already own an ALP (especially those with mods and OTG FP/VPX) will be buying this.

@@mg-ox5zj You can disagree if you insist, but you're wrong. The benefit of flippers and balls that look more realistic due to higher resolution is completely offset when the gameplay is choppier as a result. Gameplay trumps visuals, especially when it comes to fast action like pinball where reaction times and visual speed are top priority. All else equal, a 120Hz display provides smoother visuals and faster draw response than a 60Hz display, thus facilitating faster and better reactions to what is happening on screen. Play the same game on a 60Hz display and then on a 120Hz display and you'll react better on the 120Hz system. If humans gained no benefit from 120Hz displays, competitive FPS gamers wouldn't swear by them. The human eye can absolutely detect smoother performance in a 120Hz display. There are more frames of animation drawn on screen in the same amount of time, leading to smoother animation, especially when there are hectic long-range movements, like a pinball ricocheting around a playfield.

@@mg-ox5zj not at 32" 4k is literally unnoticeable.

@johngannon FALSE. 4K resolution is noticeable on a 32" panel if your viewing distance is close enough. The recommended viewing distance for a 4k TV's resolution to be noticeable compared to an identical sized 1080p screen is 1.5x the vertical height. A 32" 4K TV has a vertical height of ~15", giving you a viewing distance of about 2 feet. Unless you're 8 feet tall, you're well within that viewing distance while playing a Legends Pinball machine, so you're absolutely going to notice the increased resolution fidelity. It's no different than being able to see the difference in resolution on a smart phone with 4K resolution despite the small screen size, because we put them much closer to our faces. Now, if someone told you that they could see the increase in resolution on their 32" 4K TV in their livingroom that sits 12 feet away from their couch compared to an identically sized 1080p screen, THEN you could tell them "it's literally unnoticeable", because at that viewing distance the human eye cannot detect the difference between 1080p and 4k.

@@Tamarocker88 FALSE, 120hz is much more noticeable than 4k at 32".

It's my pleasure

Very welcome, thank you for watching! It definitely has many of the upgrades that I was personally considering adding to the ALP HD. The price is a big question on everyone's mind, hoping we will know soon.

I can tell people are trying, it might get there! Very welcome on the video, I'll take a breath and get started soon on the next one.

That is a very popular guess, in Part 4 it will be revealed :)

lol Thank you!

Very welcome, thank you for your kind support! Part 3 is a LOT of work, sorry for the delay on that one but it will be worth it.

Thank you sir! We aren't near the finish line, perhaps half-way into the series. Part 3 starting was delayed for a few reasons, so guess I'll be working over Labor Day weekend 😬

Very welcome, thank you for watching/reading the content! See #14 in the Q&A regarding availability in Canada (response is what I received from AtGames): wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . If I learn more, I'll update.

Thank you for your feedback! In Part 1, there was a discussion regarding adding a faux coin door in the final production version. It will look a little different than the version shown in this video. It will have LED lights and you'll be able to insert a coin and it will drop down into a coin return slot. I realize you're asking for a true mechanical coin door, but just thought I'd mention it. You can find Part 1 here, if you want to check it out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a-ByhbdmzZzSg6M.html

100% would be better to just build your own and call it a day. Get exactly what you want. ATgames wasn't all that great to be honest.

@@gmee123Fair but not everyone has the time or knowledge to assemble their own vpin which is why we are grateful that atgames is doing the work for us

Thank you so much for your kind comments and support! It's a lot of fun and certainly a lot of work. More to come!

Much appreciated!!

Thank you Joshua, I'm enjoying putting this series together. I like your idea here, not sure that a video would be the best way to show it. I may create a chart on the information page to make it easier to visualize. But, if it turns out to be helpful may integrate it into a future episode. Thank you for your feedback!

Thank you for your feedback, please see the pinned comment from PK (CEO) of AtGames regarding 120Hz.

Welcome aboard and I appreciate your support! I'll have more content on the 4KP as soon as it's ready.

Thank you Jon for your feedback! Please see #18 here regarding the screen upgrade: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A

My pleasure!

Most welcome!

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!

There are tables on the machine that are at various stages of development in Legends 4K format. I was playing several Dr. Seuss tables late last night that also look great! There are a handful that aren't fully ready but Magic Pixel is doing an amazing job making them look fantastic. The next segment planned is OTG which is a hot topic, once that is available then perhaps we can take a look at some additional tables, as you suggest, when this series is coming to a close. Thank you for watching!

Excellent questions and thank you for your kind comments! The x2 haptic speakers that are included are essentially the same as those included with the ALP HD and located on the apron. Regarding the SSF kit, those are great questions that we'll find out when I evaluate it at a later time. That will likely become it's own dedicated video at that point.

Hi Steve, the display looks beautiful (actually, all 3)! No official word on the game list yet. I'll share once it's known.

for some reason that game sticks with me, I was #1 last checked still #3 @@WagnersTechTalk

Thank you! I'm certainly having a blast with this one.

Thank you for you kind words, very excited to bring the 4KP information to you. Please see the answers #18 #5 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . As new questions come up, I add them there and try to find answers.

Thank you so much Brent!

No doubt! I paid $700 for my ALP ~2 years ago, the best tech purchase I ever made. Just because something new is around the corner, doesn't diminish the fun and excitement you'll get from what you have. It was my first AtGames purchase ever and wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Even bought Mom a Pinball Micro for Christmas last year, she loves it!

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your kind support!

Thank you, I appreciate your support! I've added your question #28 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . I'll ask and get an accurate response for you. If you don't hear from me directly, just check back there around mid-week.

Very welcome and interesting suggestion Troy. I've added your comment to the Requests section (#2) here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Requests as it's more of a feature request than a question. I like the idea, makes sense.

@@WagnersTechTalk it’s one I’ve seen in other forums on occasion. Those of us that play in OTG 99-100% would love it! ❤️❤️❤️😊

Getting closer, totally up to the community if we do have a giveaway. I'm hopeful it will happen. Thank you for watching!

Much appreciated Michael! In #7 here, you'll find the intention for deliveries to begin Dec. 15th: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . This was provided to me by AtGames and their official response. It's likely going to depend on when the order is placed and the number of units available. Regarding their distribution channels, I don't have any information on that.

Will find out more on that, I've asked AtGames. In this early v1.0 cabinet the solenoids aren't firing when hitting the bumpers.

Glad you're enjoying the series! I'm not seeing a brightness issue on the ALP HD here when set for afternoon mode. The colors are more saturated on the 4KP, likely due to the sharper panel. But in terms of brightness levels, they are similar, please see 10:15 for an accurate representation of what I'm seeing on both displays. This video was shot in 4K and the most accurate representation I could make (you may need to click the cog wheel icon in the video to view it in 4K).

Thank you videogamevegas, much appreciated my friend! The solenoids fire when the flippers are pressed, I definitely feel the effect through the cabinet. In this v1.0 cabinet, they are loud and sound/feel great. They don't fire, however, when the bumpers are hit. The SSF (accessory) may change the experience, that is speculation based on some information shared in this video. Hoping to one day be able to demonstrate and provide more information on it.

Wagner, Thank you for the updated info! I'll tell you, for me, though I love feedback when a pinball hits a bumper (i.e. with my Xbox360 controller), it's by no means a dealbreaker when it comes to the upcoming AtGames 4K pinball. Yes, it would be nice, but flipper feedback is more the sufficient for me :) I'm just glad you were able to answer as it was something I was interested in. Here's what I want to see from the 4K if I decide to get it. I want it to be a plug and play solution to hook up a PC Pinball solution where it's just plugging in connections (hdmi's for monitor connections and a usb for onboard controls). If it can do that, there are many ready made Pinball collection solutions one can procure to add to a PC. I just want to plug said PC into the Legends 4K and just have it work. And yes, it may take a bit more than that, but if it's not much more and still simple for me, then I'm in :) Thanks again Wagner! vgv

@@videogamevegas We'll be exploring OTG in Part 3. May take a little longer on that one, as it takes time to tweak/configure things just right and a lot of stuff to test. I should be receiving an updated CE-4k firmware on or around Monday and will begin testing that with the latest build. I get most of my testing/editing done on the weekends so this may push out the next video a little longer than the past 1&2. I also did directly mention to AtGames about the solenoids firing when hitting the bumpers. If I hear anything back on that I'll update the page. Having the 3 HDMI ports at the back should make it as plug-n-play as possible. With a PC, there will always be some tweaking required as there are so many different computers with various GPU's that will always add some level of customization.

Wagner, So looking forward to the next part! However, take the time you need. I feel videos can greatly benefit from care and extra time. That's how I approach my own videos. In fact, the video I'm working on now, a review for the iiRcade Dragon's Lair Gold Edition, has been quite the task, but I want to be proud of what I release, so it will take the time it needs to do that. Plus, I like to schedule time for life and all that as well :) What I would LOVE to see AtGames do, or consider, but I don't know if they'd get into trouble with Arcade1Up, but I would LOVE to see them do that "middle-sized" design VPin at the same size and dimensions of an Arcade1Up with 3 screens and at 4K (just with smaller monitors, of course). The 4K (as well as the ALP I have now) are too big to fit in my main home arcade's configuration, and the Micro, though cool, is just too tiny for what I want to play on, on the reg. But I'm going to step back a bit and let AtGames make this new wonderful 4K product first. After they have this one out, maybe they can take a look at an "in-between" size of their two extremes :) vgv

Second thought i hope it fits in my budget😅😅

It's instant to me. Maybe we discuss further in a future episode.

@@WagnersTechTalk That would be great! I know that is something a lot of people wonder about.

lol, yep may be a little tough to sneak it in. Yes, it does have local top scores also.

Very welcome and thank you for watching! I've not seen an option to move the DMD to the backglass screen. That's an interesting idea though. I've added your question as #27 here so it doesn't get lost: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A .

Thank you, definitely fun (and a lot of work) bringing the series to you! I was given a unique opportunity so want to do the best I can to make it informative. I don't have any official confirmation from AtGames regarding artwork, with the ALP Micro there were two variants in artwork available to choose from. I would guess they will likely do something similar. It's something we'll find out for sure as we go.

@@WagnersTechTalk Awesome, thank you for the info. Looking forward to part 3!

As stated in the video, the 4k panel is only 60Hz, so that's a huge negative point against this system. For someone who doesn't currently own an ALP, the 4K variant is the clear winner (assuming the price is competitive, which I doubt it will be since you can buy a new ALP from Sam's Club for $400), but I don't see many people who already own a unit, modded or not, buying one of these. The solenoids are a negligible upgrade, they sound like the quality is on par with the built in haptics IMO. Adding in real solenoids would be a better use of the funds. The SSF upgrade is practically a necessity, if not also the haptics kit from BSA. Then there's the dinky little DMD that sticks out like a sore thumb. People like me have been able to add a 15" 1080p LCD as a FullDMD for as little as $80! It would have made more sense to make the built in DMD at least 10", or better yet 12". It's improved over the original, but it's still missing the mark if we're all being honest.

@@Tamarocker88 The 60hz is an issue for me as well, but cost would be high. I might just make a hillbilly set up with 43” 120hz and use my current 24” as backglass that I’m using with the ALP now. My desktop handles 4k 120hz pinball great, so might just sell the ALP. I could use my Legends Pro for the flipper buttons…. Mega hillbilly!

@@Tamarocker88 Some physics engines for tables are locked at 60hz, so apparently even fancy rigs plays certain tables at 60hz. I'll wait and see price for the ALP4K.

@@rushmore3927 Some physics engines for some tables are locked at 60Hz as of right now. Given that the OTG scenes for FP and VPX are constantly evolving, it's a better long-term investment to have 120Hz than 60Hz. Only a matter of time until the physics engines are improved and support 120Hz.

That is one thing I'm testing, I'm logged in to my account on the 4KP and I've not had to re-login thus far (while I have on my ALP HD). I can't confirm at this point that it's a non-issue, if I find that it is I'll definitely bring it up with AtGames. Thank you for watching and your kind support Danny!

Hello, thank you for your kind comments! For the question about when it will be released, please see #7 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . Regarding price, that is not known at this point and is #5. Those were the official (current) answers from AtGames. Once I find out any new information, I'll keep those questions updated but as of right now no changes.

I appreciate it! I definitely want to see it happen, getting closer.

It will be up to the (devl) community to determine, once the 4KP gets into the hands of developers. I could definitely see a case for using the backglass or playfield depending on the aspect ratio of the game.

Thank you Scott! I don't have any information, at this point, regarding the capabilities of the upgrade board. Hoping to get some details on that soon.

Price is unknown at this time, see (#5) here : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . There is also a poll if you want to provide your guesstimate.

No sir, the game list isn't available yet.

@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you for the quick reply!

I'm thoroughly enjoying the 4KP. As you may already know, one of the machines from the Pinball Expo was sent to me to check out. There are a few differences between the machine I have here and the EVT. Primarily: 1) The Addams Family skin, builders plate and coin door. The unit here has the coin door off-center, but will be corrected for customers based on this: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Latest_Updates 2) The solenoids are software controlled, you can adjust the strength 3) The SSF kit was pre-installed and sounds great (more on that in this video, if interested : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k ) I stay out of the pricing aspects, I only focus on the technical side of things.

Zero I am sure

Please see #18 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . That is the response that I received from AtGames on this question.

The likelihood is extremely low. They want you to buy a new system. This is further cemented by the fact that the two systems have dedicated table formats, so tables purchased on the HD system cannot be played on the 4KP and vice versa. It has not been confirmed, but it is suspected that people will be expected to repurchase all tables should they decide to upgrade.

The game list isn't yet known. Only a handful of tables are on the build I have in Legends 4K format. We'll learn more about that at a later time.

Added your question, #29 here to follow-up: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. I think the added cost to add more solenoids would be minimal. Maybe 100 dollars to me worth it. Or at least like with surround sound feed back offer a solenoid upgrade kit. My arcade 1 up pinball had solenoids that fired when hit bumpers and I’ve since completely gutted but I think we defiantly need more then just the two. So excited for this machine and excited for the fact that at games is taking feedback from you. Again thanks for the reviews. Hopefully you get to hook up your own pc soon see how it does with vpx and pinball fx. Thanks 🙏 you do amazing work !

They appear smoother as the CPU is more powerful, able to keep up a bit better and the images look sharper. As with any computer, the animation effect is dependent on a number of factors, CPU, GPU, Refresh rate, etc.

It is 4k 60Hz, I don't have a 120Hz display so can't draw any direct comparison. Some have said yes, it makes a difference. Others have said some graphical engines don't support more than 60Hz.

LOL, sure. I've lived in TN, CA, AR, PA, AL and a few other areas. I'm a mix of various locales.