To share additional information about 120Hz (144Hz) vs. 4K: Our months' of labs tests and focus-group studies guided our trade-off decision to go 4K@60fps over HD@144fps, that the added processing power is best allocated to doing 4K over doing 120fps/144fps for optimal experience. For achieving 4K & 120Hz, we can wait for the next generation CPUs on the horizon to become affordable.
@carlo1132 Жыл бұрын
Thanks PK, as an current owner of many of your products including 2 ALP's, I appreciate your hard work getting us to 4k, I can't wait for the preorders to open up!
@scottboehmer1975 Жыл бұрын
Thanks PK. Hope you reconsider not allowing buyers of the 4k upgrade for the standard ALP to upgrade to a 4k monitor. A simple HDMI output would seem to be an easy solution, and of course 32" 4k monitors are pretty easy to get since I wouldn't expect AtGames to sell them.
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
That may have been the feedback interpreted from the focus group, but anyone who cares more about gameplay than screen resolution will strongly disagree. 120Hz refresh rate at any resolution would be preferred over 60Hz, especially for games like FPSes or pinball where reaction times and smooth animation provide a significant benefit to a person's performance in game. Most people are suckered into the 4K snake oil sales, thinking 4K resolution matters more than anything else. Of course a focus group is going to choose 4K resolution over 1080p or 2K, they likely think it's objectively better in every way. I guarantee most people would prefer a display with a better refresh rate in a blind comparison.
@pkhsiung304 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great input@@jimhenderson438 !
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
@@mg-ox5zj Yeah, it's the worse compromise between the two. They prioritized resolution when it is a less significant factor than gameplay. It would have been better to go with a 2K screen @120 considering the visual improvement at 4k is so minimal.
@pkhsiung304 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video Jon as always. And yes we are in with 1,000 likes to run one unit ALP 4KP giveaway through drawing and announce the winner on your one future show.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
On behalf of the entire AtGames fan-base, we thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to have a giveaway for an ALP 4KP! Let's do this!
@8-bit_Informer Жыл бұрын
Yes. Thank you. Very excited for this to come out.
@canadaphil6068 Жыл бұрын
Hi PK.. Amazing effort on this new product. Congratulations and thank you to your team for all their hard work on this.
@arcadetalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this awesome 4k pinball. It looks awesome. The only thing I would like to see different is the pinball machine art. I would love to see just one theme art and it to be one of your own tables that you guys created. Like a Dr. Suess, dinosaur or even one of the new tables that is coming out for the 4k pinball.
@bupp291 Жыл бұрын
I will definitely sign up for that giveaway! I just recently got into virtual pinball a month ago and have been having a blast! My wife has been loving it too! We will definitely buy the table if we don't win though 😁
@AtGamesCadians-hv7xn Жыл бұрын
Not that I needed convinced, I knew the new ALP was going to be epic, and Atgames has knocked it outta the park here, the community is ready to line up for the preorders, a sign that they trust Atgames and know great products when the see them!
@proceduralgames Жыл бұрын
This is a real upgrade! I was about to buy an ALU but now I'm thinking of waiting for the 4k
@ryanwilliamson8622 Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t wait. At the price point they’re going to put the 4K, I couldn’t resist the 4th of July sale they had recently. The HD model is “so far, so good” (less the actual Arcadenet service)…spotty at best and just, meh 😒
@QuietStorm3007 Жыл бұрын
I never knew how you looked until now. Thank you very much for the detailed video and reveal 👍.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
I don't get in front of the camera often, but for this I made an exception. Very welcome on the video and thank you for you kind support!
@TheBrosYoutubeVideos Жыл бұрын
I would also have loved 2k @120hz. But still love it
@AskUncleDavecom Жыл бұрын
count me in for a giveaway . great its you reviewing this first
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you - we're getting closer! Thank you also for your 2nd comment, I'm honored to be able to bring it to you!
@SharifAlkatib Жыл бұрын
Great comparison to highlight the difference between HD and 4K. That’s what I was looking for.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@minty197 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your hard work reviewing this 4K pinball I really hope I can afford one
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Very welcome, thank you for watching!
@misterunspoken Жыл бұрын
Jon you're an absolute stud for doing all this hard work. I'm very excited to get this machine when it drops! Thanks for the ***4K*** video and of course we're all looking forward to part 3 when it's ready!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
lol, much appreciated! Working with 4K video was a first for me and definitely a lot more work, the files can get huge after just a few min. of recording. But, I couldn't see demonstrating a 4K display in 1080p. Just wouldn't have been right.
@chrismagoulis Жыл бұрын
Shocked that you don't look like the little drawing of you in the intro :D
@UltimateTechHub Жыл бұрын
The user interface looks really good and seems easy to find games and settings. I cant stand complicated user interfaces its a huge turnoff. Gotta say the 4K looks pretty amazing! I look forward to the giveaway Jon! Your channel is crushing it with great content and you'll be at 30,000 subs in a matter of weeks! Thanks for all the hard work making these videos! Thumbs up my friend!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for checking it out, my friend! Hopefully we'll reach the 1k likes to have the giveaway, I want to see that happen for the community. I'm honored to have this opportunity to share the 4KP with everyone. A little over 2 years ago I bought my ALP HD, love it and it's humbling to be able to share the great work that AtGames has done with the 4KP. Congratulations on closing in on 40k subscribers, maybe as early as next week for UTH!! That's an amazing milestone and I'm very excited for you!
@tjwright Жыл бұрын
Now all they have to do is get Williams licensing and rule supreme! This is exciting, but more real tables are needed. I'm sure I'll buy one regardless. :-)
@michaelschubert10837 ай бұрын
Great video, as well as all the others. Thank you! To say I’m excited for my Attack From Mars with pre-installed SSF is a gross understatement.
@WagnersTechTalk7 ай бұрын
Thank you Michael! AFM is a beautiful looking cabinet. I'll likely not see that one in-person until maybe next year. But fortunately, it doesn't matter the skin, all tables can be played on any cabinet. If I get the chance to show AFM on this one before it ships, I definitely will.
@DavidRamos-xp6wu Жыл бұрын
Man can’t wait to upgrade!
@EQOAnostalgia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It's looking great! Now i just need to figure a way to save up lol.
@stokjock Жыл бұрын
Great video on what seems to be a great product from AtGames. Your videos are so immersive and helpful especially since this is going to be a few bucks to plunk down to get.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Part 3 is obviously taking a lot more time, I want to get it right and it is a lot of work. Should get'er done this week.
@canadaphil6068 Жыл бұрын
WO-OWWWWWWWWWW !!!!!! Holy Smoke.. They have hit it out of the park with this effort. When one considers how Atgames have been breaking new ground with both their first HD version and now this 4K followup, Atgames has single handedly opened up Virtual Pinball for the consumer masses on a scale that I would not have imagined. The features of the SSF add-on are fantastic!! I think all I can say is that I wish the DMD had been larger, but I'm not going to really complain at this point. To say that I'm really looking forward to this would be an understatement. Thanks Jon! EDIT: Oh, I hit the LIKE.. I will send you my delivery address for the 4K Pinball machine I'm going to WIN ! 😅
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
lol, you crack me up!! Yes Sir, AtGames is doing an amazing job! Thank you for your feedback and have an awesome weekend!
@canadaphil6068 Жыл бұрын
@@WagnersTechTalk You too Jon!.. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks for the great work!
@canadaphil6068 Жыл бұрын
@@WagnersTechTalk BTW.. So, my new revised Quiz Answer is... FERRIS !! "Anyone?.... anyone?..... Beuller?"😂
@johngannon Жыл бұрын
Pretty good upgrade overall, but 60hz is a pretty big miss IMO. Having a 2k 120hz screen would have been a much more noticeable upgrade at 32".
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
Yep, one step forward and two steps back. For each thing they upgrade, there's something really crappy about it that kind of defeats the purpose of the upgrade. They added solenoids, but they don't sound good based on the audio in the recording (sounds like a clicky pen to me). They made the backglass significantly bigger, but in doing so, the added DMD looks waaaaaaay too small. Nevermind that the new 4K machine will likely need to have all tables repurchased, even for those who bought all the tables for the original ALP. The product is likely the better choice for someone in the market for one of the machines as a new buyer, but I don't expect many people who already own an ALP (especially those with mods and OTG FP/VPX) will be buying this.
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
@@mg-ox5zj You can disagree if you insist, but you're wrong. The benefit of flippers and balls that look more realistic due to higher resolution is completely offset when the gameplay is choppier as a result. Gameplay trumps visuals, especially when it comes to fast action like pinball where reaction times and visual speed are top priority. All else equal, a 120Hz display provides smoother visuals and faster draw response than a 60Hz display, thus facilitating faster and better reactions to what is happening on screen. Play the same game on a 60Hz display and then on a 120Hz display and you'll react better on the 120Hz system. If humans gained no benefit from 120Hz displays, competitive FPS gamers wouldn't swear by them. The human eye can absolutely detect smoother performance in a 120Hz display. There are more frames of animation drawn on screen in the same amount of time, leading to smoother animation, especially when there are hectic long-range movements, like a pinball ricocheting around a playfield.
@johngannon Жыл бұрын
@@mg-ox5zj not at 32" 4k is literally unnoticeable.
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
@johngannon FALSE. 4K resolution is noticeable on a 32" panel if your viewing distance is close enough. The recommended viewing distance for a 4k TV's resolution to be noticeable compared to an identical sized 1080p screen is 1.5x the vertical height. A 32" 4K TV has a vertical height of ~15", giving you a viewing distance of about 2 feet. Unless you're 8 feet tall, you're well within that viewing distance while playing a Legends Pinball machine, so you're absolutely going to notice the increased resolution fidelity. It's no different than being able to see the difference in resolution on a smart phone with 4K resolution despite the small screen size, because we put them much closer to our faces. Now, if someone told you that they could see the increase in resolution on their 32" 4K TV in their livingroom that sits 12 feet away from their couch compared to an identically sized 1080p screen, THEN you could tell them "it's literally unnoticeable", because at that viewing distance the human eye cannot detect the difference between 1080p and 4k.
@johngannon Жыл бұрын
@@Tamarocker88 FALSE, 120hz is much more noticeable than 4k at 32".
@meatballsaucey Жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing more information about this product.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
It's my pleasure
@GoldMineArcade Жыл бұрын
Cool video, looking forward to adding my first pinball to my arcade 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@h3dgecore Жыл бұрын
Great vid, thanks for sneak peek. Has definitely evolved, w/ some nice upgrades, compared to ALP. Will all come down to price. Seems like they used the ALP modding community as an R&D lab, and used the best/most frequent mods as blueprint for this machine. The menu t-arc looks really familiar…🤔
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Very welcome, thank you for watching! It definitely has many of the upgrades that I was personally considering adding to the ALP HD. The price is a big question on everyone's mind, hoping we will know soon.
@michaelbernardes81 Жыл бұрын
Lets get to 1000 likes! Thanks for the video!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
I can tell people are trying, it might get there! Very welcome on the video, I'll take a breath and get started soon on the next one.
@maxwellotto4958 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait!
@GenGamesUniverse11 ай бұрын
I think that the codename is either Falken or Joshua. The fact that Wagner is showing the "WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME!" is from War Games and the creator is "Doctor Falken" and he based the computer AI on his deceased son Joshua.
@WagnersTechTalk11 ай бұрын
That is a very popular guess, in Part 4 it will be revealed :)
@MrSteveonbroadway Жыл бұрын
just started watching but you standing next too the back box has me sold...
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
lol Thank you!
@jombeemeanstroke6426 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you! And it came out earlier than expected.
@jskjellman Жыл бұрын
@WagnersTechTalk as always great informative video. Those 4K tables look fantastic, I can't wait to preorder.
@Jpott69 Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to get one of these
@Devo4969 Жыл бұрын
Excited for this release! Thanks for the great vids!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Very welcome, thank you for your kind support! Part 3 is a LOT of work, sorry for the delay on that one but it will be worth it.
@ritualdelo Жыл бұрын
You rock Wagner well documented and detailed video
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! We aren't near the finish line, perhaps half-way into the series. Part 3 starting was delayed for a few reasons, so guess I'll be working over Labor Day weekend 😬
@roudyvaillancourt473 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your hard work. I'm on the fence right now between building my own or try to get my hands on this one (I'm in Canada Quebec so no clue except the Brick who I don't know if they'll get it day one) I'm reading a lot, testing screens and all and you make me even more into all this with your amazing site that I refresh everyday for a new video Hahaha
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Very welcome, thank you for watching/reading the content! See #14 in the Q&A regarding availability in Canada (response is what I received from AtGames): wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . If I learn more, I'll update.
@ruslanroos2618 Жыл бұрын
Looks awesome! Very clear display, and the solenoids give a solid sound for the flippers! I am very excited to see the final product version. The only thing I would really like to see them add is a coin-operated mechanism or at least maybe pre wire and include support for installing a coin mechanism Great video! Looks really cool 😎
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback! In Part 1, there was a discussion regarding adding a faux coin door in the final production version. It will look a little different than the version shown in this video. It will have LED lights and you'll be able to insert a coin and it will drop down into a coin return slot. I realize you're asking for a true mechanical coin door, but just thought I'd mention it. You can find Part 1 here, if you want to check it out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a-ByhbdmzZzSg6M.html
@entertainmentdeals1320 Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual! Looking forward to the next part. Also interested to see how it stacks up to BSAs SSF.
@hookups67 Жыл бұрын
I need to upgrade after seeing this lol I am gonna want to trade in my old HD table
@jalbert2255 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! Very exciting! Can't wait to get my hands on this!
@sarsippius3rd Жыл бұрын
Nice can’t wait!
@Mike-B-Jackson Жыл бұрын
Dang, now I want one!
@Tommyfare Жыл бұрын
Great Video! I hope they will announce the release date soon und start preorder ---- yeah. and off course the price.
@KilllerPenguins Жыл бұрын
Great video sir and really looking forward to this new product! Excited for the next video
@wyvernx66611 ай бұрын
hell yea, 1K likes, let's goo!
@Oddzball3 Жыл бұрын
Awesome upgrade from older cabs for sure
@davidjames5043 Жыл бұрын
Looks amazing, would love to pick one up, let's see what the price will be.
@gmee123 Жыл бұрын
100% would be better to just build your own and call it a day. Get exactly what you want. ATgames wasn't all that great to be honest.
@H0otz Жыл бұрын
@@gmee123Fair but not everyone has the time or knowledge to assemble their own vpin which is why we are grateful that atgames is doing the work for us
@ethiceze54 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all you're hard work and everything you do. I could listen to you explain things all day long. Good job on yhe great job my friend!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind comments and support! It's a lot of fun and certainly a lot of work. More to come!
@SavedByZero Жыл бұрын
Another stellar segment.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!!
@joshuagrabowski6071 Жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying these videos. Maybe when the 4K information is all available and this series is over, would you consider making a pros and cons/ HD vs 4K buyer's guide for people looking to get their first AtGames machine? As of right now, I'm really interested in the 4K, but I wonder if the HD would still meet my expectations. Thanks either way. Looking forward to the next installment in this series!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you Joshua, I'm enjoying putting this series together. I like your idea here, not sure that a video would be the best way to show it. I may create a chart on the information page to make it easier to visualize. But, if it turns out to be helpful may integrate it into a future episode. Thank you for your feedback!
@corycardwell Жыл бұрын
Looking at just this sampling of vpin players, it looks like they should offer a premium version option with a 120Hz option.// Looking forward to seeing VPX running on it.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback, please see the pinned comment from PK (CEO) of AtGames regarding 120Hz.
@uksampson Жыл бұрын
Looks like they’ve added some great upgrades addressing the shortcomings of the ALP. Now let’s get them to add some leaf switch buttons to the final build and do away with the click switches!
@Trojan030410 ай бұрын
Thanks for best explanation on KZfaq of this machine. A newbie so find your channel so much help. Subscribed & Thanks😊
@WagnersTechTalk10 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard and I appreciate your support! I'll have more content on the 4KP as soon as it's ready.
@dougmims6901 Жыл бұрын
Im very excited to see the final product and price. Ive added several mods to my current ALP and have plans for more but...i belive ill wait to see how this looks in the end.
@travis-n-joy Жыл бұрын
I'm so ready to buy this now!
@jonarsenal Жыл бұрын
Great video as always. With all the upgrades ive made from buy stuff arcade, the new backbox which has a 15" dmd not 8 and the sound kit the only benifit is a 4k 60hz screen. The new interface looks nice but doesnt bother me as I have more tables in OTG. Really would hope there would be a realistic screen upgrade option just like they like at games are offering the new board
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jon for your feedback! Please see #18 here regarding the screen upgrade: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
@trailbreaker11 Жыл бұрын
This looks amazing! Thank you!
@gregwalzel7504 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your hard work!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@Thefly-vh8tv Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, especially the gameplay comparison. Looks excellent
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Most welcome!
@volgdawg9420 Жыл бұрын
Of course a like!
@neehooya11 ай бұрын
Thank you, Jon, great video as always! Cheers!
@WagnersTechTalk11 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
@mason-storm Жыл бұрын
Let's go! I'd be fine winning a 4k! Can you show quick gameplay in Part 3 of an older table? Is the DMD just blank for those tables?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
There are tables on the machine that are at various stages of development in Legends 4K format. I was playing several Dr. Seuss tables late last night that also look great! There are a handful that aren't fully ready but Magic Pixel is doing an amazing job making them look fantastic. The next segment planned is OTG which is a hot topic, once that is available then perhaps we can take a look at some additional tables, as you suggest, when this series is coming to a close. Thank you for watching!
@Duglim Жыл бұрын
You mentioned 2 haptic speakers would be present even without the SSF addon kit. Could you tell more about the haptic speakers? Where are they located? Do they play the same sound/music as the 3,5'' beckbox spreakers? Some SSF kit questions: - You mentioned the kit will bring 4 ssf speakers and one base shaker. Will the 4 speakers be haptic speakers or normal ones? (If not haptic, it would just be sourround sound, without feedback, right?) - How will they play together with the 2 present haptic speakers? I assume the SSF kit will handle the mechanic/ball sounds, the Non-SSF speakers will handle music/effects and no mechanic sounds when SSF is present? Thanks for all your work and great videos.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Excellent questions and thank you for your kind comments! The x2 haptic speakers that are included are essentially the same as those included with the ALP HD and located on the apron. Regarding the SSF kit, those are great questions that we'll find out when I evaluate it at a later time. That will likely become it's own dedicated video at that point.
@MrSteveonbroadway Жыл бұрын
The Screen looks great maybe att games can give us a 120hrz upgrade in future for those who want to mod , and is Centigrade 37 still on it??
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, the display looks beautiful (actually, all 3)! No official word on the game list yet. I'll share once it's known.
@MrSteveonbroadway Жыл бұрын
for some reason that game sticks with me, I was #1 last checked still #3 @@WagnersTechTalk
@quentinbesancenez1427 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Excited to get this one.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm certainly having a blast with this one.
@carlo1132 Жыл бұрын
Im first, thanks Jon, love this content and I def am going to preorder!
@buffny4203 Жыл бұрын
Looks great, I guess all I can hope for once this 4k version is in production is an upgrade kit for the HD version to make it 4k, maybe the screen and motherboard is probably all we would need. Have they mentioned a price point yet for the 4k version? Great tutorial John as always!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for you kind words, very excited to bring the 4KP information to you. Please see the answers #18 #5 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . As new questions come up, I add them there and try to find answers.
@brentmetts951 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for your wonderful videos!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Brent!
@zimtage1744 Жыл бұрын
I picked up the curent model for 500. That's tough to beat at any resolution
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
No doubt! I paid $700 for my ALP ~2 years ago, the best tech purchase I ever made. Just because something new is around the corner, doesn't diminish the fun and excitement you'll get from what you have. It was my first AtGames purchase ever and wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Even bought Mom a Pinball Micro for Christmas last year, she loves it!
@wryker Жыл бұрын
I like the BG compared to the current ALP I have ...but I do love my 10" DMD I'm using (Fire Tablet).
@rushmore3927 Жыл бұрын
Your guides rock!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I really appreciate your kind support!
@StuntmanMike11 Жыл бұрын
🎉🎉🎉
@geoflyer15 Жыл бұрын
really great video (as usual). Please tell me that new 4K tables wont require a WIFI or online connection to play. I dont really care about leaderboards, tournaments etc. I want the table to run properly even if I have no internet. Thanks
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate your support! I've added your question #28 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . I'll ask and get an accurate response for you. If you don't hear from me directly, just check back there around mid-week.
@troymcdonald Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Wondering (and would like to see), Being able to turn on into OTG mode, instead of always having to click the channel button and then selecting “ok”…
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Very welcome and interesting suggestion Troy. I've added your comment to the Requests section (#2) here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Requests as it's more of a feature request than a question. I like the idea, makes sense.
@troymcdonald Жыл бұрын
@@WagnersTechTalk it’s one I’ve seen in other forums on occasion. Those of us that play in OTG 99-100% would love it! ❤️❤️❤️😊
@danielkapron1388 Жыл бұрын
nice pinball machines
@RichardYauman Жыл бұрын
Hopefully you will be able to give one away, unfortunately winning won is probably the only way I will have a chance of getting one in the foreseeable future, and this looks very impressive, lightyears better than playing pinball on my laptop.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Getting closer, totally up to the community if we do have a giveaway. I'm hopeful it will happen. Thank you for watching!
@michaelcorson6076 Жыл бұрын
Great videos in Parts 1 and 2 - very informative! Really appreciate the details you provided - especially comparing the 1080p vs 4k displays. You may have mentioned this - but do you think AtGames will be selling this for the Xmas season this year? Hopefully they will still sell it through Sam's Club as well.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Michael! In #7 here, you'll find the intention for deliveries to begin Dec. 15th: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . This was provided to me by AtGames and their official response. It's likely going to depend on when the order is placed and the number of units available. Regarding their distribution channels, I don't have any information on that.
@arcadetalk Жыл бұрын
The solenoids should fire when the bumpers are hit. That is part of the pinball feel.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Will find out more on that, I've asked AtGames. In this early v1.0 cabinet the solenoids aren't firing when hitting the bumpers.
@ciphfer6925 Жыл бұрын
This is great! I really want to thank you for your review. Can you comment on the brightness of the 4K table. I always found the brightness on the ALP lacking and I use it in daytime mode. I am hoping this has improved on the new table. Thanks again for your help.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying the series! I'm not seeing a brightness issue on the ALP HD here when set for afternoon mode. The colors are more saturated on the 4KP, likely due to the sharper panel. But in terms of brightness levels, they are similar, please see 10:15 for an accurate representation of what I'm seeing on both displays. This video was shot in 4K and the most accurate representation I could make (you may need to click the cog wheel icon in the video to view it in 4K).
@videogamevegas Жыл бұрын
Wagner, These videos are awesome! Thank you! I think the main issue I had with the sound on the original Legends Pinball was going from Gottlieb tables to Magic Pixel. Had to adjust the volume every time I went between publisher brands. This is something I hope they fix for the new 4K model. One question about the solenoids. How do they feel when bumpers are hit? Sounded like the flippers sound great, but curious about the bumpers. Thanks again! vgv
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you videogamevegas, much appreciated my friend! The solenoids fire when the flippers are pressed, I definitely feel the effect through the cabinet. In this v1.0 cabinet, they are loud and sound/feel great. They don't fire, however, when the bumpers are hit. The SSF (accessory) may change the experience, that is speculation based on some information shared in this video. Hoping to one day be able to demonstrate and provide more information on it.
@videogamevegas Жыл бұрын
Wagner, Thank you for the updated info! I'll tell you, for me, though I love feedback when a pinball hits a bumper (i.e. with my Xbox360 controller), it's by no means a dealbreaker when it comes to the upcoming AtGames 4K pinball. Yes, it would be nice, but flipper feedback is more the sufficient for me :) I'm just glad you were able to answer as it was something I was interested in. Here's what I want to see from the 4K if I decide to get it. I want it to be a plug and play solution to hook up a PC Pinball solution where it's just plugging in connections (hdmi's for monitor connections and a usb for onboard controls). If it can do that, there are many ready made Pinball collection solutions one can procure to add to a PC. I just want to plug said PC into the Legends 4K and just have it work. And yes, it may take a bit more than that, but if it's not much more and still simple for me, then I'm in :) Thanks again Wagner! vgv
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
@@videogamevegas We'll be exploring OTG in Part 3. May take a little longer on that one, as it takes time to tweak/configure things just right and a lot of stuff to test. I should be receiving an updated CE-4k firmware on or around Monday and will begin testing that with the latest build. I get most of my testing/editing done on the weekends so this may push out the next video a little longer than the past 1&2. I also did directly mention to AtGames about the solenoids firing when hitting the bumpers. If I hear anything back on that I'll update the page. Having the 3 HDMI ports at the back should make it as plug-n-play as possible. With a PC, there will always be some tweaking required as there are so many different computers with various GPU's that will always add some level of customization.
@videogamevegas Жыл бұрын
Wagner, So looking forward to the next part! However, take the time you need. I feel videos can greatly benefit from care and extra time. That's how I approach my own videos. In fact, the video I'm working on now, a review for the iiRcade Dragon's Lair Gold Edition, has been quite the task, but I want to be proud of what I release, so it will take the time it needs to do that. Plus, I like to schedule time for life and all that as well :) What I would LOVE to see AtGames do, or consider, but I don't know if they'd get into trouble with Arcade1Up, but I would LOVE to see them do that "middle-sized" design VPin at the same size and dimensions of an Arcade1Up with 3 screens and at 4K (just with smaller monitors, of course). The 4K (as well as the ALP I have now) are too big to fit in my main home arcade's configuration, and the Micro, though cool, is just too tiny for what I want to play on, on the reg. But I'm going to step back a bit and let AtGames make this new wonderful 4K product first. After they have this one out, maybe they can take a look at an "in-between" size of their two extremes :) vgv
@Mr901TommyJax Жыл бұрын
I'm down with a like sir!
@Unleaze Жыл бұрын
This is gonna be one sick machine🎉
@Unleaze Жыл бұрын
Second thought i hope it fits in my budget😅😅
@arcadetalk Жыл бұрын
Is there any lag time from when you push the flipper button and the flipper moves?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
It's instant to me. Maybe we discuss further in a future episode.
@arcadetalk Жыл бұрын
@@WagnersTechTalk That would be great! I know that is something a lot of people wonder about.
@adamkalb1412 Жыл бұрын
❤🏁Winning
@bonesjackson81 Жыл бұрын
Gonna be real hard to sneak buy this so my wife doesn't get mad! Oh well I like to live dangerously. Question, does it save a local score top 10 or 100 to display rather than online scores. Not a real good way of looking at local scores on current ALP.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
lol, yep may be a little tough to sneak it in. Yes, it does have local top scores also.
@BS55331 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting these videos together. The separate DMD is a welcome addition but it seems pretty small-is there an option available to swap the back glass and DMD images (I.e. use the back glass monitor exclusively for the DMD?) not sure I’d play it this way but interested to know if it’s possible
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Very welcome and thank you for watching! I've not seen an option to move the DMD to the backglass screen. That's an interesting idea though. I've added your question as #27 here so it doesn't get lost: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A .
@H0otz Жыл бұрын
Once again great video and we appreciate your coverage! Just out of curiosity because I know you mentioned it in part 1, do you think this will be the final art or will they switch it up for the final product?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you, definitely fun (and a lot of work) bringing the series to you! I was given a unique opportunity so want to do the best I can to make it informative. I don't have any official confirmation from AtGames regarding artwork, with the ALP Micro there were two variants in artwork available to choose from. I would guess they will likely do something similar. It's something we'll find out for sure as we go.
@H0otz Жыл бұрын
@@WagnersTechTalk Awesome, thank you for the info. Looking forward to part 3!
@rushmore3927 Жыл бұрын
If we compare to the current cab and price and then look at the improvements, typically multiply by 2.5 to get what they need to charge to make a profit (use 3 is mainly retail channels selling). I would be surprised if this is not at least $600 more. If better chipset and display to support 120hz, add another $600.
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
As stated in the video, the 4k panel is only 60Hz, so that's a huge negative point against this system. For someone who doesn't currently own an ALP, the 4K variant is the clear winner (assuming the price is competitive, which I doubt it will be since you can buy a new ALP from Sam's Club for $400), but I don't see many people who already own a unit, modded or not, buying one of these. The solenoids are a negligible upgrade, they sound like the quality is on par with the built in haptics IMO. Adding in real solenoids would be a better use of the funds. The SSF upgrade is practically a necessity, if not also the haptics kit from BSA. Then there's the dinky little DMD that sticks out like a sore thumb. People like me have been able to add a 15" 1080p LCD as a FullDMD for as little as $80! It would have made more sense to make the built in DMD at least 10", or better yet 12". It's improved over the original, but it's still missing the mark if we're all being honest.
@rushmore3927 Жыл бұрын
@@Tamarocker88 The 60hz is an issue for me as well, but cost would be high. I might just make a hillbilly set up with 43” 120hz and use my current 24” as backglass that I’m using with the ALP now. My desktop handles 4k 120hz pinball great, so might just sell the ALP. I could use my Legends Pro for the flipper buttons…. Mega hillbilly!
@rushmore3927 Жыл бұрын
@@Tamarocker88 Some physics engines for tables are locked at 60hz, so apparently even fancy rigs plays certain tables at 60hz. I'll wait and see price for the ALP4K.
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
@@rushmore3927 Some physics engines for some tables are locked at 60Hz as of right now. Given that the OTG scenes for FP and VPX are constantly evolving, it's a better long-term investment to have 120Hz than 60Hz. Only a matter of time until the physics engines are improved and support 120Hz.
@NickelessCohn11 ай бұрын
🤩wow, looks aazing🎉
@DannyWelch Жыл бұрын
Quick question on the interface. Any chance they've changed the login flow, so that you can store the username/password in the cabinet and get away from the QR code? Thanks for putting these reviews together! This machine is definitely an instant purchase for me to replace my current ALP. It looks absolutely amazing!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
That is one thing I'm testing, I'm logged in to my account on the 4KP and I've not had to re-login thus far (while I have on my ALP HD). I can't confirm at this point that it's a non-issue, if I find that it is I'll definitely bring it up with AtGames. Thank you for watching and your kind support Danny!
@TheBigdogal Жыл бұрын
Dear Jon. Greetings from Germany! Do you know when the alp 4kp will be released for retail? And do you know the approximate price tag? I have spent the last year heavily modding the alp with otg based on your videos :) looking forward to more info!!! All the best!
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Hello, thank you for your kind comments! For the question about when it will be released, please see #7 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . Regarding price, that is not known at this point and is #5. Those were the official (current) answers from AtGames. Once I find out any new information, I'll keep those questions updated but as of right now no changes.
@InfectiousGroovePodcast Жыл бұрын
I dropped a like right at the start. I'd love to help make a giveaway happen :)
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
I appreciate it! I definitely want to see it happen, getting closer.
@Daniel-ML Жыл бұрын
Retro game emulators can run on back glass or play field ?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
It will be up to the (devl) community to determine, once the 4KP gets into the hands of developers. I could definitely see a case for using the backglass or playfield depending on the aspect ratio of the game.
@scottboehmer1975 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm still really disappointed that AtGames is offering the 4k upgrade for the standard ALP without the ability to upgrade the screen. Honestly, it would be easy enough to just have an HDMI output and the users would be responsible for the monitor upgrade and all associated risks. As is, I find the $400 upgrade cost hard to justify.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you Scott! I don't have any information, at this point, regarding the capabilities of the upgrade board. Hoping to get some details on that soon.
@cbk12 Жыл бұрын
What is the projected price on this please? Anyone know?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Price is unknown at this time, see (#5) here : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . There is also a poll if you want to provide your guesstimate.
@RobertDaGotti Жыл бұрын
@WagnersTechTalk Do you know which tables are going to be included with the Legends 4kp?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
No sir, the game list isn't available yet.
@RobertDaGotti Жыл бұрын
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you for the quick reply!
@joshb127510 ай бұрын
So if I want a pinball machine as my first one is the hd a bad investment for 750? Should I just wait the 4 months? Seems like alot of time to miss but the new one looks great
@WagnersTechTalk9 ай бұрын
I'm thoroughly enjoying the 4KP. As you may already know, one of the machines from the Pinball Expo was sent to me to check out. There are a few differences between the machine I have here and the EVT. Primarily: 1) The Addams Family skin, builders plate and coin door. The unit here has the coin door off-center, but will be corrected for customers based on this: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Latest_Updates 2) The solenoids are software controlled, you can adjust the strength 3) The SSF kit was pre-installed and sounds great (more on that in this video, if interested : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k ) I stay out of the pricing aspects, I only focus on the technical side of things.
@ajschuler3424 Жыл бұрын
What’s the likely hood that they’ll be selling an upgrade option for existing units?
@markt1593 Жыл бұрын
Zero I am sure
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Please see #18 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . That is the response that I received from AtGames on this question.
@Tamarocker88 Жыл бұрын
The likelihood is extremely low. They want you to buy a new system. This is further cemented by the fact that the two systems have dedicated table formats, so tables purchased on the HD system cannot be played on the 4KP and vice versa. It has not been confirmed, but it is suspected that people will be expected to repurchase all tables should they decide to upgrade.
@tjwright Жыл бұрын
Does it have the Gottlieb machines?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
The game list isn't yet known. Only a handful of tables are on the build I have in Legends 4K format. We'll learn more about that at a later time.
@djm2373 Жыл бұрын
Do solenoids fire when ball hits the bumpers on playfield ?
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
Added your question, #29 here to follow-up: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
@djm2373 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. I think the added cost to add more solenoids would be minimal. Maybe 100 dollars to me worth it. Or at least like with surround sound feed back offer a solenoid upgrade kit. My arcade 1 up pinball had solenoids that fired when hit bumpers and I’ve since completely gutted but I think we defiantly need more then just the two. So excited for this machine and excited for the fact that at games is taking feedback from you. Again thanks for the reviews. Hopefully you get to hook up your own pc soon see how it does with vpx and pinball fx. Thanks 🙏 you do amazing work !
@thomgizziz Жыл бұрын
How are the ball animations smoother? If both are running at 60hz? The only other thing would be if their last computer was too weak and they were screwing everybody.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
They appear smoother as the CPU is more powerful, able to keep up a bit better and the images look sharper. As with any computer, the animation effect is dependent on a number of factors, CPU, GPU, Refresh rate, etc.
@vilhelmstein209111 ай бұрын
Is it 4k 60hz? Does it negatively impact the experience?
@WagnersTechTalk11 ай бұрын
It is 4k 60Hz, I don't have a 120Hz display so can't draw any direct comparison. Some have said yes, it makes a difference. Others have said some graphical engines don't support more than 60Hz.
@HBK-hp1gd Жыл бұрын
I'm curious where you're from for an admittedly pedantic reason. Where in the country does the regional dialect put the accent on the wrong syllable of words like DIS-play and RE-fresh? Not being a troll. I'm genuinely curious as I've never heard such inflections before.
@WagnersTechTalk Жыл бұрын
LOL, sure. I've lived in TN, CA, AR, PA, AL and a few other areas. I'm a mix of various locales.
@strells Жыл бұрын
What's with the weird ghost icons remaining when you select something? It already says below what the setting or option is. Why do you still need to see the HDMI icon, for example, when you choose to adjust those options?