Ironic. The Camarilla doesn't believe in antediluvians and yet they are the ones that fear thin bloods.

Actually killing Caitiff hastens on Gehenna since killing all those Clanless and Thinbloods ripples through the bonds between the vampires right into the Antedeluvians themselves and therefore awakens them.

I once played a Caitiff that became a Deputy to a very corrupt Sheriff that wanted to kill the Prince and claim Praxis. My character, with the aid of an important harpy, helped set the Prince up, but also set the Sheriff up so that both would die (Sheriff killed Prince, then the whole court killed the Sheriff) and the Harpy became Prince and I his Scourge. and a lesser Harpy. For starters. My Setite mentor was very impressed.. oops, I guess I shouldn't have mentioned that last part.

Caitiff actually seem like a good target for diablery. An ambitious vampire could seek out young caitiff and claim their rare powers for themselves.

i think the saying goes "if you ignore your responsibility it will come back and bite you"

Well this makes Bertram Tung sound remarkably ill informed for a Nosferatu. He made it sound like Caitiff were completely worthless. You make it sound like they're super vampires!

(In character) Catiff in my eyes are not a problem, they are unlucky children who are shunned by their sires

My most successful protagonist in VtM was a Caitiff in the Anarch Free State of L.A.. Our weekly stories consisted of other vampires abusing my poor kindred. His position, however, gave him political freedom to achieve things that those with clans could not. After many a nights, the Caitiff viewed clans as a disadvantage rather than an advantage. His disciplines became an extension of his personality manifested. It was a truly fascinating way to play VtM.

Excellent job as usual, gent! Immersive exposition with interesting information about the World of Darkness; and of course, charming and professional execution, as usual. Looking forward to more content in the future!

I just wanted to thank you for making these videos, I have watched them all, and I really like the style you have chosen. Keep up the good work !

I love your Vampire the Masquerade videos. I'm so glad I found them. I've watch a majority if them and I'm dying to now what clan are you roleplaying as when you do these videos. This video and the last one I watched made me suspect it was Giovanni.

Actually played a lower gen Caitiff once, supposedly grandchilde of the Stoneman. Never did find out if that was true or not, but I did develop some truly bizarre disciplines throughout the game.

I'm not even an RPG buff, yet this series of yours is my favorite thing on KZfaq. Get a job narrating books already.

You sir, are a gentleman. Thank you for the kind words.

What clan was Caine again? Or his childer? The Antediluvians weren't even part of a clan in the beginning. They also all had a much easier time developing Disciplines, too. You neglected to mention that Caitiff can often create their own Disciplines with ease. I never really bought into the concept of a Caitiff-created Discipline only being available to a Caitiff, though (which I'm pretty sure is stated in the Pariahs book, which the Caitiff are discussed). I figure if they wanted to teach a non-Caitiff one of their Disciplines it wouldn't be any more difficult to learn than any other Discipline. Finding someone willing to teach it would be another matter. Probably no different than a Tremere willing to teach Thaumaturgy to someone outside their clan. Why share your secrets with someone who'd just as soon kill you?

Thank you for these videos! They're great!

Caitiff are unloved and unwanted, tis true.

Ah my favorite scapegoats :) Great work as always. You've inspired me to round up the homies and kickstart a new game. Sabbat pack, turn of the century New York Territories. Thanks dude :)

You do indeed have that right, and yet I happily live in the UK and see few reports of people being shot, and even less of people being stabbed or beaten to death. It's an odd thing, but one we can agree to disagree on.

You would have to contact Andre C Martinez about that, as he made the intro and outro.

Thank you for watching them!

Thank you for continuing to watch!

They are so many these nights, though...

That is the subject of the "Time of thin blood" book. It takes a very interesting take on the 14th and 15th generation vampires. From their mentioned abilities to survive in daylight and to procreate the mortal way, their occasional weak metabolism to seer abilities some of them acquire as they lay dead for a day before the blood changes them. It also contains info on the week of nightmares when Ravnos antediluvian woke up and stirred some serious shit up. I highly recommend it.

Hahahahahh wonderfull how u say what pleases each people the most, "You will do well in this new life, young one. That i can se already." XD

It's a sad addiction.

loving that intro!

It's a tried and tested tactic!

This is some great stuff.

The best use for them.

I'm not too familiar with new WOD but just wondering, do you think you could do a guide on the Suicide Kings? Are they worth mentioning?

I guess that's where we differ, but great video as always.

They are about as far away as they can be, and yet their blood is so diluted they have access to nearly all disciplines. You will find out soon enough.

All kindred are Camrilla. That includes all clans past and present. Sabat, Indepenents, and the Clanless.. - Archon & Tempars

I really like your voice, its cool dark and mysterius. I would love to listen to you read some Lovecraft books!

Very enlightening, this defiantly causes me to sit back and ponder much more on the subject of Caitiff/Pander, especially when it comes to Caitiff-Thin Bloods. The part that really gets my brain buzzing is the possibility of Thin Bloods reproducing and creating Dhampir. Now that’s something I never considered happening is WOD! I can only imagine what that would be like.

NICE collection of rule books!! I am a collector myself (and a player, of course, too)!

Thank you!

New idea for a Caitiff "crazy" discipline: Life. One dot gives you some sustenance from food and water, higher dots give you day walking and live births. Imagine Potence/Celerity/Alive. I would DARE a Harpy to talk shit, see if I don't kicked in your front door and drag you into the sun.

Caitiff are like any other vampire.

Thanks for another awesome video, I honestly never thought of Caitiff to be much of a threat but this video makes rethink that notion. I understand now why Princes would send scourges to wipe them out. I also notice that you pronounce Caitiff differently, I usually pronounce it as "Kay-Tiff" but I guess that's just a personal preference thing. Also in the course of doing these videos I notice that you are in character, may I know who it is you're roleplaying? his clan? sect? Thanks in advance!

Another great tale by the gunman :)

I imagine them to start their own bloodlines or maybe there were so few to mention. Un-life as Caitiff is an eternal up-hill battle.

So a Caitiff can indeed have all the powers of the clans,diablerise, and yet have no weakness of them. Indeed a character that if added to the coming WOD MMORPG, will be very common around.

Nice video! You can make interesting campaigns with caitiff, since they feel much stronger than other vampires that it's them against the world, they have many "under the radar" freedoms that vampires belonging to clans don't have and got larger incentives to stick together and, for some, diablerize older vampires. After all, what do they have to lose? Btw. could you be so kind and tell me what version of Lux Aeterna did you use in the intro? Thanks!

the sabbat actually have mad respect for the catiff even going asfar as offering them the prestigious roll of frontline warriors were they can be hideously mauled to death by camarilla

Caitiff can wield a lot of power.. If they don't show it.

(In character again cause my ipad posted the comment when I wasn't finished) Catiff are welcomed here in aspen Colorado. They need healing and both the camerilla and sabbat what administer the medication needed. But we independents here in aspen can.

Clackclickbang, I enjoy your videos however what is the bloodline or clan you would finally allow yourself to be embraced by and why?

I hope I never get used to it.

What becomes of the Caitiff when he/she diableries a member of a clan? How it affects the disciplines they learned/discovered/created?

you rock dude!

Interesting about Radu & Hardestadt meeting up. I don't recall reading this, but its cool so I'll run wit it (steal :).

You may be onto something...

Welcome to the unlife, child. You are Caitiff - wich means I have both good and bad news for you: First the good one: You have no clan-ties. And the bad one: You have no clan-ties. Have a good night.

They are indeed.

It would be thoroughly unpleasant. An affront to Caine.

The Caitiff! Unexpected, somehow!

Hell yes.

Dear mentor, I have heard much about the vampire clans of Africa and I wonder what do you know about them, and if you would please share your wisdom about them? Yours sincerely Erik The lowly Neonate.

correction muktar bay is 7 th gen making him an elder and i think he is stronger than beckett if i understand there character sheets correctly

That's actually a part of Gehenna. A woman gives birth as a Thin-Blood.

Poor old Ravnos...

in General what do you think of catiff, from an OOC level. I never liked them and found them contrdictory to how the embrace works; but tis just me.

Prophecies are funny...if they're false then you can ignore them. If they're true, then you can't really do anything to stop them and you'd be better off ignoring them anyway.

I've found that running Caitiff usually ends up with the powergamers of the group picking up the clan -- it's nigh perfect for their goals. As long as the other members of the party handle the political stuff, Caitiff end up being absolutely godly out-of-the-gate combat machines.

Well seams to me, that while they prove usefull they will be tolerated, but that only until they become a treat, like becoming a lider to others caitiff in a Camarilla City.

not for now and i dont think would be any easier for a stranger in any country out there.

I am all for clanless power!

I only know of 3 dhmpir being born. All of thin-blood mothers. One was killed out right, the other grew up and the third was used by a Tzamitce (the monster cut it out of its mother and tried to carry it to term inside its own body, "clanbook Brujah"). of course it didn't work and the dhmpire died anyway. Are there any others?

None! I enjoy sunlight too much.

how so?

What is the difference between Thin bloods and the Caitiff in your opinion? I noticed that people tend to clump the two together and some of the things you say in this video sound like thin bloods.

They'll all worse than the muck on my shoe.

Do they ever explain what happens to a Caitiff who diablerizes a lower gen Vampire? Say a Caitiff diablerizes a 5th generation kindred in Torpor somehow (staking him or performing the ritual of the bitter rose with a group for example) obviously he would increase in generation by at least a couple notches, but I don't remember seeing anything about whether this "removes" his thin-bloodedness, would it be possible to have a real powerful 9th or 10th level ancilla caitiff? Or would the diablerist start taking on the traits of the clan of the kindred consumed? What if he diablerized various kindred of lower gen of different clans? Would he become a new bloodline with his chosen disciplines instead? *shrug* always kind of confused me how that worked. Seems if playing with a group who has a Caitiff and diablerizes it could bring up some interesting storyline hooks

What's worse: a Caitiff, a Thin-Blood, or a Dhampir?

They are the only clanless worth a damn.

I don't understand how a Cainite can be clanless, if clans really are inherited like 'genetics' rather than taught? I imagined that Caitiff were simply unaware of any clan-specific traits they were developing, so that perhaps the development of those traits would happen more ambiguously without, like, a role model, but that the disciplines that were passed down to the Neonate would still evolve to match their sire's clan? Otherwise I don't understand how disciplines are acquired. It wouldn't make sense if a Neonate would be embraced by a Toreador and then somehow develop, let's say, Dementation out of nowhere? Has this question been settled? Because if so, I'm not aware, and I'd like to know whether clans are a 'nature vs. nurture' sort of debate.

There's something wrong with a tool that's purpose is only to kill and maim.

Maybe it's because Catiff put a dent into the Camarilla's heavily structured world. Personally, I think Dhampirs should've been introduced sooner and available to high humanity vampires.

Good for him. Guns are vile things.

Become a Caitiff, Diabolrize your way up the ranks until you are a 6th gen Caitiff, then go mess som shit up!

Are those Culture novels I see in the background? :D

that intro really isnt fun when wearing headphones. I'm hearing a constant beep now after that gunshot hehe.

I wear protective gear then, not project the sound directly into my ears ;-)

agreed. I did fire a gun a few times, but I didnt enjoy it as much as the guy putting it in my hands would have liked. I dont like guns, unless its in a hollywood movie.

are The Caitiff closer too kane sins they can learn all disciplines ps. watt clan are you, the one you "play" as in the Guide

You better believe it! ... not as much as Tetsubo57 though.

very difficult to play in the game with the more expensive points costs.

Caine is a myth. A shadow on the wall.

I think it's fine as an aspect of thin-bloodedness. I don't like the idea of a 7th Generation Caitiff.

Caine, a Caitiff? Blasphemy!

Pinko!

Nothing a sadist humor

But if those caitiff thin-blooded or not, should ever commit diablerie and therefore lowering their generation, wouldnt they also gain the weaknesses that normal clans and generations have?

I wish that the country could be broken of this addiction to guns.

I've never been a huge fan of the concept.

I recently asked If Thin-bloods could be playable characters in a game but I regret I did not know that they were also known as Caitiff, Obviously I need to learn more before I start asking more silly questions. I profusely apologize for my Ignorance and hope to have not been the sorce of any headaches.

Or perhaps, you are Caine himself, storyteller.

what of swords? :P but I don't like guns. but in the U.S they are a beloved weapon. I always find it baffling how much my country loves the gun.