The Gentleman's Guide to Vampires: The Gargoyles

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The Gentleman Gamer

The Gentleman Gamer

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In which the gentleman in question illuminates the darkest recesses of your mind with tales of Gargoyles, the grotesque former slaves of Clan Tremere.

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@eijibayushi7029
@eijibayushi7029 10 жыл бұрын
I've encountered a Garogyle with a rather interesting goal. He seeks to get his bloodline actually recognized as a Clan in the Camarilla with an actual voice on the Inner Council. If this were to happen it would certainly help their lot in these Final Nights. I wish his sucess though I feel his endeaver will most likely meet with failure and Final Death. But perhaps he will surprise me, this stoic Gargoyle.
@Leriash
@Leriash 6 жыл бұрын
They can embrace now... From the wiki "Embraces Most Gargoyles are not Embraced, but are rather created by the Tremere using Kindred from other clans (Nosferatu, Gangrel and Tzimisce). However, the Gargoyles are still capable of siring Childer, and some free Gargoyles have begun to do so. The process of creation is particularly intense for Gargoyles, especially for those taken directly by the Tremere. The surge of competing strains of Vitae, combined with the magical energy inherent to the transformation, serves to wipe away the pre-existing memories and loyalties of a new Gargoyle, leaving a tabula rasa on which the Tremere can work. The process is a trifle gentler for Gargoyles embraced by other Gargoyles, who sometimes retain at least vague senses of their former lives, but even so most of their past just dissolves under the occult onslaught. As for what drives a Gargoyle to embrace a mortal, most times it's a case of simple obsession. There's neither reason nor rhyme to the matter, and even the most eloquent members of the bloodline shrug and put it down to "gut feeling"." V20 rulebook confirms this by saying that the transformation leaves the vampire OR MORTAL unrecognizable. It also says that they forget most of their un-life or LIFE. And DAV20: "Though the first Gargoyles were unable to create childer, some can now breed true. No longer dependent upon the Tremere to grow their numbers, they are proper bloodline now. Free Gargoyles in particular are proud and social, and show little restraint in creating new progeny. This new generation of Gargoyles shares less of the burden their sires bore; never having lived under the Tremere yoke, they don't fear or hate the Usurpers as their erders do. However, a thread of servility still runs through the bloodline, which they mush keep in check. Only a third of all Gargoyles can pass on the curse of Caine, and among the progeny they create, only half survive the change, while the other half die within the first weeks. Those who survive can breed true, just like their parents."
@hippocrates1297
@hippocrates1297 6 жыл бұрын
I think this video is based on dark ages lore, in that lore they were still unable to embrace, hence why the new stuff says they no longer have to rely on others to create more.
@degenerategentleman
@degenerategentleman 5 жыл бұрын
"The dogs that could" LMAOOOOOO My hat's off, sir
@rudolphantler6309
@rudolphantler6309 6 жыл бұрын
The Gargoyles had a sad past with being born into slavery, true. The Tremere were quite un-gentlemanly for treating their created slaves badly once Gargoyles showed signs of individuality, true. Although it was a time of war. BUT it is more important to point out that, if both sides put away their differences for whatever reason, the Tremere and the Gargoyles make an incredible team together!!!!!! Along with perhaps a "Hopper" creature seen in V-TM-R! Tremere and Gargoyles are worth roleplaying together in one group for this same reason!
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
Watching the KZfaq is in all honesty what got me back into a vampire the masquerade plus the music and The Succubus Club soundtrack as well it’s something I never lost interest in but never had anybody to play with me since I have become visually impaired and that is really heartbreaking
@angrytheclown801
@angrytheclown801 8 жыл бұрын
I know you will probably never see this message, but even so, thank you for these entertaining videos even years later. Though I've always seen myself as Get of Fenris.
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 11 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed them that much!
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 10 жыл бұрын
To those ingrates among you who decry my knowledge and claim that Gargoyles can embrace - I ask you to wheel out a Gargoyle created in the last year!
@reverendnorse
@reverendnorse 10 жыл бұрын
Hear hear! Well put Sir. A question, if you permit; what clan and lineage do you claim in these here videos?
@reverendnorse
@reverendnorse 10 жыл бұрын
Daniel P. Starling I don't know, his wordings in the video pertaining to The Harbingers of Skulls is very much hinting at least to a common ground if not belonging to said group... XD
@Gusanoman
@Gusanoman 9 жыл бұрын
Wasn´t Ferox embraced by Rozia?
@sadxhacked
@sadxhacked 9 жыл бұрын
Ludwig Dahl He's Harbinger of skull (cappadician bloodline) with obscufate
@sadxhacked
@sadxhacked 9 жыл бұрын
Daniel P. Starling he stated himself, he's harbinger of skulls
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you I will try that for a gamer you do care abou those of us who are getting back into role-playing and I know you probably don’t hear this enough but I appreciate everything that you do to help
@deathpunk187
@deathpunk187 9 жыл бұрын
So basically the Gargoyles were created to be on a level ground in a war of Frankenstein vs Frankenstein
@readsomebooks666
@readsomebooks666 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 10 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the Gargoyles earn their vengeance by diablerizing the Tremere Clan, fusing their souls to the very monsters they created in a form of poetic justice.
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 10 жыл бұрын
That would be horrific yet poetic.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 7 жыл бұрын
How would you go about playing a Gargoyle, by the way? They're one of my favorite bloodlines in the game, but I can't think of a convincing way to do them.
@HellGod67
@HellGod67 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nyrufa the same way as werewolves, too op and they don't even have the social structures of werewolves, which crosses out most of social interactions. And what are their goals? Destroy the tremere clan? The whole vampire race?
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 4 жыл бұрын
@@HellGod67 Well, after the rebellion, Gargoyles were accepted as official members of the Camarilla. At least according to V20. Gargoyles were content with this change, because unlike their Tremere slave masters, the Camarilla actually offered them payment and other benefits for their continued services. However, my idea for a playable Gargoyle is one who was naturally embraced as one. Those who were embraced, instead of transformed through ritual still experience amnesia, but it's not as severe as their original counterparts. So their motivation going forward is to rediscover who they were, prior to the embrace.
@MrStrigori
@MrStrigori 11 жыл бұрын
I always liked the Gargoyles. This whole aspect of liberation was appealing to me and they have a nice gothic feel about them. Guardians of stones, living in an abandoned ruin in the city...observing, always on the watch. They make great wise hermits in a game (ally and foe) and i often find myself preferring them over other isolated kindred like Gangrel, Malkavians etc. I really enjoy your narrating in these videos, always a pleasure :)
@Essential541
@Essential541 10 жыл бұрын
my personal opinion is that a gargoyle can survive in Camerilla society as a kind of hidden army , they are a forced to be reckoned with, and if they where to join to gather as a full clan, then the tremere could have a lot of trouble
@ALJessica
@ALJessica 10 жыл бұрын
@The Gentleman Gamer Organization: Gargoyles have a strong sense of community. They often keep communal havens. Sometimes Gargoyles petition the Prince for the release of slave Gargoyles, but more often they just tear slave owners to pieces. With no community, Gargoyles are likely to Embrace and build their own. According to V20 the Gargoyles can embrace mortals.
@LandofMert76
@LandofMert76 6 жыл бұрын
this one changed drastically from edition to edition.
@tetsubo57
@tetsubo57 11 жыл бұрын
I still find vampires silly but I do love your voice.
@Jewbear1884
@Jewbear1884 11 жыл бұрын
My guess is that the gargoyles would join the Anarchs, they would have the most to gain from such an alliance.
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you I found it now I just have to fiddle with it to get to purchase it❤️😂
@Frank-Voight-Kampff
@Frank-Voight-Kampff 11 жыл бұрын
I used to play a Gargoyle in a Sabbat campaign. "Paganini". Good times.
@LongfusedbombasticBarbarian
@LongfusedbombasticBarbarian 11 жыл бұрын
very very well done I always love these backgrounds amazing work sir
@BombshockStudios
@BombshockStudios 11 жыл бұрын
Sheeeeet music, almost makes me want to play a Gargoyle in a campaign at some point in the future. Great video as usual.
@Razz1024
@Razz1024 11 жыл бұрын
I just have trouble on imagining ways for a Gargoyle to feed on mortals. They can't seduce them, they can't obfuscate to sneak up on one and I don't think they would keep a herd. Other than swooping down and plucking a mortal up to sky kicking and screaming, I really have a hard time imagining how they would be able to get enough blood to wake and use disciplines. Please enlighten me on how the Gargoyles find their nightly sustenance of vitae? Other than being supplied blood by a master that is.
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 11 жыл бұрын
I believe it's referenced in multiple places. Storyteller's Companion and Tremere Clanbook Rev. definitely.
@Drarkkikk
@Drarkkikk 11 жыл бұрын
I love these Gentlemen's guide to Vampire Clan videos! I imagine myself visiting an old friend of great knowledge in vampire legends and one with a certain taste for... blood. For indeed the Gentlemen is the greatest Vampire of Clan Tremere. For before you even set your eyes on him, he already has you in his careful palms, a play thing to toy with and an unknowing thrall, bound to his will. Beware the Gentlemen...
@warelf97
@warelf97 11 жыл бұрын
Finally. I've been waiting for this.
@MultiKarius
@MultiKarius 11 жыл бұрын
Great review, I'd say it is my favorite "Guide to Vampires" video now.
@Demolitiondude
@Demolitiondude 11 жыл бұрын
I would have said Clan Tremere since Walt said that all birds sing in Disney films.
@wormwoodz
@wormwoodz 11 жыл бұрын
Another great vid, very informative. I really wanted to play a gargoyle in a dark ages chronicle I joined some time ago, but nobody wanted to play a Tremere :/ bummer
@elderjuniormaster
@elderjuniormaster 11 жыл бұрын
To bad that their flight Discipline cannot be learned for any other vampire, not even caine. Visceratika on other hand can, but no gargoile would share it ever.It makes me wonder if its possible to diablerise them, or they diablerise other vampires.
@Demolitiondude
@Demolitiondude 11 жыл бұрын
I knew it! Disney broke Masquerade.
@inotaishu1
@inotaishu1 11 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find the book that was referring to the Gargoyle revolt, which one was it?
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 11 жыл бұрын
Let's give it a go!
@aaronlevitz4984
@aaronlevitz4984 10 жыл бұрын
This was the one shock I had with the Guide to the Camarilla. In my opinion, Gargoyles should've gone Anarch or Sabbat after the Tremere Antitribu were destroyed. Gargoyles wouldn't've joined the Camarilla because of Clan Trermere. It would be the Salubri joining the Camarilla for protection. It didn't make sense to me, despite the reasons given.
@Dancinganimenuts32
@Dancinganimenuts32 11 жыл бұрын
The way you tell the tales of the vampire clans is just enthralling. I'm always looking forward to hearing more about a new clan. Now if only my teachers were as interesting! I do have to wonder, though, what is the gentleman's place in all this? Are you of one of the clans? Are you a trusted human who acts as a living history book?
@eijibayushi7029
@eijibayushi7029 10 жыл бұрын
Where exactly does it say the bloodbond is weaker in the final nights? Where does it say they are creating new garogyles? And this story of them hunting down Anarch Trmere is not true according to Clanbook Tremere revised. In fact it seems to say a Anarch Tremere is left alone as long as they are not a infernalist or giving up secrets of the blood.
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 11 жыл бұрын
It is!
@ThisIsEDX
@ThisIsEDX 11 жыл бұрын
These videos inspired me to go pick up the revised core book for vampire. I hope to run it one day, probably just one on one since my other gaming friends prefer savage worlds with its chaotic die rolls and the like.
@thebeardhasgrownup8999
@thebeardhasgrownup8999 9 жыл бұрын
gargoyle as player character?
@elderjuniormaster
@elderjuniormaster 11 жыл бұрын
Good Question
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
I have a quick question where do I find the 20th anniversary edition of the vampire if you know please let me know because I cannot find it thank you very much because the only addition I have is the fifth edition and I’m pretty sure the rules have changed since then thank you for all of your help and I have to commend you again on your elder videos you actually put your heart into it and I could feel it through every video I watched thank you again hopefully there will be more in the future
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 4 жыл бұрын
Have you looked on Google? It should take you to DriveThruRPG, from where you can buy it.
@Onionkid99
@Onionkid99 11 жыл бұрын
Gargoyles are great, but it's strange that they're Vampires. If I ran another V:tM game I'd have the Gargoyles in there, but they'd be a OWoD version of Prometheans or something. PS- Looking Pimptaculent in the purple shirt and tie. It's your color for sure.
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you reason for the question is to know whether I can trust you.. I may be ventrue.. but in reality I trust no one because you never know when the final death is coming and add whose hand so I guess an alliance with a member of the clan of death should prove interesting if you will except.. this is actually fun actually talking to real life gamer but just to give you heads up I am visually impaired so sometimes my dictation may mess up if it does let me know so I can correct it the best I can thank you and thank you for responding your friend and FAN Bambi Parsons I also found the videos on the clans informative and I hope one day you will make more videos of the elder teaching the neo nat those are my favorite
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
I have changed my mind about the petri on here that I wanted to choose instead earn $100 I am choosing $125 and it will start next month and you should I say at the end of this month around Halloween
@AsheandCinders
@AsheandCinders 11 жыл бұрын
I KNEW IT, I KNEW I RECOGNISED THE MASK FROM YOUR INTRO. Sorry, got a little excited there. But that's the mask from the sinclair big daddy and little sister figurine is it not?
@Ex0dusBegins
@Ex0dusBegins 11 жыл бұрын
Always enjoyed your awesome break down of the clans and bloodlines. IDK why people call out your opinions, there is nothing wrong with making an opinion. I guess some people like to jump to conclusions.
@krispalermo8133
@krispalermo8133 2 жыл бұрын
People tend to forget, he narrates in " character."
@SymbioteHost
@SymbioteHost 11 жыл бұрын
WOOOOOO!!!!
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 11 жыл бұрын
He will be missed.
@tehredmage
@tehredmage 11 жыл бұрын
Ah, good point.
@tetsubo57
@tetsubo57 11 жыл бұрын
Of what?
@mulgra
@mulgra 4 жыл бұрын
I love these stone skinned gits :)
@braalkmath
@braalkmath 11 жыл бұрын
How is your wedding going? Nice video by the way
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you I found onyx path hopefully I get some happy news
@AsheandCinders
@AsheandCinders 11 жыл бұрын
I thought so, 'Tis a fine mask, even if i can't for the life of me how it attaches with that eye part missing.
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
I have a question do you still play masquerade and if so would you be interested in another player I can’t physically be there so someone will have to fill out the worksheet and roll the dice but I’m pretty sure we can communicate like this since now I’m no help and besides it’s been along time since I have played so the rules have probably changed because the only book I have is the fifth edition so please let me know if you are interested I live in the United States and at work from 7:30 AM to 4:00 PM Monday through Friday but I’m off on the weekends it would be very fun to start playing again please let me know thank you
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I have no existing games of Vampire going, but I recommend checking out the Onyx Path Forums for a play by post game.
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
The Gentleman Gamer thank you I will try that because I miss playing and can you let me know when you do have a game going please thank you I would appreciate it your friend Bambi
@elderjuniormaster
@elderjuniormaster 11 жыл бұрын
Not sure what u mean by that.
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
This is Lee, I have a question when were you in prison along with your klansman in that inescapable city? The reason I asked is because you were very vague about it and depending on win I may have not been embraced. As you may have noticed I ask questions even though after all moste 900 years they were somethings even I do not know and that is why I asked the question I am a very independent sword so if this angers you I’m sorry about that but it’s something I need to know. And then probably as you have realized by now not a typical Ventrue I do not seek power nor do I wish to hold any I would be more what you call a seeker of knowledge but nowhere near your class as a scholar I also am not a ““stuff shirt like most of my clan are I do in my own way care about others plights. So you may say I have a sliver of humanity left but do not take that for weakness that is how I have managed to live this long is by staying in the shadows and staying out of others wayand just observingb. And beside staying in the shadows is how you get to learn your enemies movement and their habit is it not so I do believe I have taking up some of your time but we shall talk later you have me very amused and in treat. Well now I want do you think I get into the character very well or do I still need practice considering you have probably been doing this a lot longer than I have because I do not think by any stretch of the imagination I’m an elder yet so I think there’s a few things I still have to learn and I would also not mind being your student as far as the scholar goes if that is all right with you please let me know because I still wanna learn more and will probably need a little bit of help but I’m not ashamed to ask for it but I would still like an answer to my question if you are willing to give it about the city. I want your honest opinion how was that
@geek4u869
@geek4u869 5 жыл бұрын
There's a mortal actor you sound like but I forget his name.
@woodwwad
@woodwwad 11 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how I feel about this bloodline. They seem to raise certain problems. Great job with the review.
@tetsubo57
@tetsubo57 11 жыл бұрын
Aren't you aright pleasant fellow?
@violet9082
@violet9082 9 жыл бұрын
From V20 we could assume that gargoyles can embrace, but I'm not sure how often they do so and it's not clearly stated anyway.
@Gusanoman
@Gusanoman 9 жыл бұрын
According to The Red List (1994) Ferox was embraced by a female gargoyle called Rozia.
@slapgoodboy69
@slapgoodboy69 10 жыл бұрын
can they embrace humans
@hellsing507
@hellsing507 11 жыл бұрын
It's odd but even though I play as a tremere when larping I feel really bad for the gargoyles. It's one of the reasons why I always play independent when I play as tremere.
@bambiparsons4293
@bambiparsons4293 4 жыл бұрын
Hello my name is Lee I have to commend you on the teaching videos for the Neo Nate’s even I found them enjoyable I was in braced in the year 1228 and I am of clan ventrue but this may be overstepping my bounds but which plan do you hail from? The reason is because I want to know whether you are friend or foe please respond at your earliest convenience.. OK will now I want your Pinyan how was that it’s been a while since I’ve played masquerade please let me know thank you and I enjoyed all of your videos and Will be coming a patron at the $100 level at the end of this month and I’m looking forward to it your friend and fan Bambi Parsons I hope you get back to me vampires one of my favorite games
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 4 жыл бұрын
I am of the Clan of Death, and I thank you for your support.
@TheWhitmore
@TheWhitmore 11 жыл бұрын
Dig this one, too. Sure can't wait for the Planescape series that shall replace this one (wink wink, nudge nudge). What can change the nature of a man?
@geek4u869
@geek4u869 5 жыл бұрын
Gargoyles do not inflict aggravated damage with any claws. Some of your information is incorrect. They do not have wolf claws like the Gangrel.
@eijibayushi7029
@eijibayushi7029 10 жыл бұрын
Gargoyles claws do NOT inflict aggravated damage. Also in the By Night Studios LARP setting, the Tremere Clan was forced to give up all the Gargoyles they had as a stipulation for joining the Camarilla. They were also supposed to never create any more at all.
@IMUNV-wr2lz
@IMUNV-wr2lz 9 жыл бұрын
so does this mean my Tremere can not make one, but I have been forced into the sabat my pain of final death.
@slapgoodboy69
@slapgoodboy69 10 жыл бұрын
what about ghouling
@BarlowEnter
@BarlowEnter 11 жыл бұрын
Beer me strength. This man is in denial.
@tetsubo57
@tetsubo57 11 жыл бұрын
I didn't forget it. It is another example however of why vampires in the WoD numbers are absurd. One vampire in the world? OK. Maybe a couple dozen vampires in the world? Less plausible but OK. Thousands of them? Nope.
@ryuprimeus3719
@ryuprimeus3719 5 жыл бұрын
I thought Gargoyles where Flesh Eaters?
@bruenor82
@bruenor82 11 жыл бұрын
HEY IAIN M BANKS! too bad he got bored and Sublimed
@eggmansizzle
@eggmansizzle 11 жыл бұрын
Honestly trying to figure out your view point, and I just don't see it. *shrug*
@TheGentlemanGamer
@TheGentlemanGamer 10 жыл бұрын
No, they cannot.
@geek4u869
@geek4u869 5 жыл бұрын
That is possibly untrue. There are rumors of Gargoyle ghouls in the Swiss Alps.
@tetsubo57
@tetsubo57 11 жыл бұрын
I find the entire concept of the Masquerade to be absurd. Vampires are apex hunters. An apex hunter needs a certain number of prey animals to survive. A lot of prey animals. That those prey animals would remain ignorant of their predator for thousands of years is absurd. Especially when you think about the sheer number of vampires in the WoD setting. You can't swing a flea-bitten werewolf without hitting one. But the GG has a wonderful voice.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 6 жыл бұрын
That is not true. There is a *dramatically* lower number of vampires than there are humans in the World of Darkness setting. I don't remember the exact census, but I believe there is 1 vampire for every 50 to 100,000 humans. Which means a city with a population of 2 million humans is only going to have about 200 vampires *at most.*
@chrisholman2999
@chrisholman2999 10 жыл бұрын
Yes Gargoyles can embrace humans. Read the books
@aaronlevitz4984
@aaronlevitz4984 10 жыл бұрын
When the Gargoyles were first created (see Vampire: the Dark Ages' Clanbook: Gargoyle.), they were not able to Embrace, and I believe he's mostly taking his lead from the Dark Ages setting, where they were most prominent.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 6 жыл бұрын
Sadly, V20 does not explicitly point this out. If you pay close attention to the writing, it does drop a couple *hints* at Gargoyles being able to embrace. but the bulk of the text suggests they're all made using the ritual.
@geek4u869
@geek4u869 5 жыл бұрын
@@Nyrufa but there are sources which say the ritual was lost as well. Vampires are unreliable narrators but Gargoyles can indeed embrace if you go by the metagame text. There are statements that a embraced Gargoyle has hazy memories of their mortal past, while a created one remembers nothing. There is also text that says Gargoyles asked about who they tend to embrace have said it was a gut feeling.
@eijibayushi7029
@eijibayushi7029 10 жыл бұрын
Gargoyles can indeed embrace the bloodline has perhaps mutated in recent final nights. This is a good sign for the former slaves. But why they would join the Camarilla instead of perhaps join the Anarchs, whose purpose is supposedly freedom might be a better choice, if the Gargoyle can find an Anarch who is truely commited to the cause instead of these pathetic losers who just join the Anarchs as as sort of Vampire version of the occupy movement.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 6 жыл бұрын
There are a number of perks and benefits to being in the Camarilla that the Gargoyles can make use of. Plus, they can petition the Prince to free any additional Gargoyles who have not been able to liberate themselves from the Tremere. Sure, the Anarchs may value freedom, but they are largely disorganized rabble compared to the more structured Camarilla, or the tribal Sabbat. Most likely scenario is that any Gargoyle who sides with the Anarchs is just going to go down in a blaze of glory when the Tremere show up looking to capture them again.
@geek4u869
@geek4u869 5 жыл бұрын
@@Nyrufa hows that Camarilla organization going for you in these nights? The Beckoning sure is making a mess of things for the Cam. And the Cam would merely treat the Gargoyles as slaves with a longer leash. And Tremere are now split into 3 houses! No, you are wrong. Gargoyles have been joining the Anarchs in larger numbers, the Followers of Set, now calling themselves The Ministry have joined the Anarchs. The Brujah clan has mostly left the Cam for the Anarchs as well.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 5 жыл бұрын
@@geek4u869 Oh, I don't side with the Camarilla, I side with the Sabbat. But my V20 book made a point of explaining that freed Gargoyles were officially accepted by the rest of the Camarilla, much to the chagrin of their former Tremere masters.
@chrisholman2999
@chrisholman2999 10 жыл бұрын
I disagree with almost everything in this video. Though your knowledge is extensive, your understanding of gargoyles is very limiting. You claim many things in this video as fact even though they are found nowhere in the subject material. Most Gargoyles are within the Camarilla and serve independent from the Tremere.
@greeneking77
@greeneking77 10 жыл бұрын
very well then, I found GG's take on them very interesting but I'm open ears on your take and opposing veiwpoints on the gargoyles. I have never read the source books.
@chrisholman2999
@chrisholman2999 10 жыл бұрын
greeneking77 First off the Tremere still have Gargoyles, though most are free. Many of them still work for the Camarilla while many newly created Gargoyles have joined the Anarch cause if Justin Achilli can be believed. The reason the main chantry was moved to Vienna was not because of a Gargoyle revolt, rather it was because the Tzimisce Gangrel and Nosferatu where winning the war and Etrius moved the then torpored body of Tremere himself to Vienna so that they would not be over run. There was a minor revolt of the first Gargoyles but that was deffinetly not the cause of the move. More to come later.
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