I hear you man, same boat, grateful for the pandemic in a way and Zubin is right it was not a stellar place to be even before COVID

What are you doing now

Great decision! Time is our most valuable resource... so happy for you! ❤

And how are you making money now?

Congrats on having the courage

Man, HCA fucking sucks, don't they?

@@Lumpycheeses I wasn’t referring to HCA in my post

Great decision. You deserve better, and you will find it. There are wonderful jobs out there. I worked as a hospital RN for 26 or so years, then in a large multi specialty, multi-location clinic as a triage nurse for a group of eight cardiologists in Seattle. A year before I planned to retire, after giving them 17 years, they laid me off to trim costs as they looked for a huge corporation to buy them. That was in 2018. My retirement in Hawaii is wonderful. I am glad they pushed me out ahead of my schedule, and ahead of COVID.

Completely agree. I am a Bone Marrow Hematology Oncology RN and I walked away. Done.

🙏🏽💜

Thank you for your service!

Toni....I couldn't have said it better myself!! RN for 30yrs♥️

Thank you for posting your thoughts, you are not alone.

Dear Toni, Thanks for being so honest and sharing this! I really feel what you are saying and I actually did burn out. Like you, I felt like an automated robot too, but luckily and happy to say, I found my path to fulfillment. So I just want to say that it's never too late or you're never too old to make a change and find your purpose. You love helping and serving people and there are other ways to do that while feeling happier and get your energy back. I'm happy to share more if you want and I have made videos about my burn out and how I found my path, which might help you. But you are not alone and I want to give you a big hug!!!

I often wonder how common it is for people to neglect asking for help because they recognize/empathize with how overburdened the employees already are & don’t want to add to their workload. I would sparingly reach out to my contact instructors during university as I was so disgusted by the poor wages/unpaid labour/job precarity/unrealistic expectations. Same thing with people working within the service industry, medicine, etc.

Thank you for the love. We certainly are not used to it. We're used to abuse from admin to management to each other to patients families and even the patients themselves.

I wish there were more people out there that felt like you do I so appreciate what you just said as a nurse for 30 years 20 of which being in an ICU your comments are so so appreciated ♥️♥️

Probably the same place where my giant bonus is. I was considered essential personnel. Every one else got to workfrom home for a year and save on gas money and commute time. I was told be thankful I still had a job because my neighbor might not have one.

Omg, you are so right....it's just a money making business first, but it didn't seem to be that 24 years ago when I entered the med field

Its not just Healthcare, im a truck driver who is questioning why my company can't raise wages but offer huge sign on bonuses for new employees who won't be with the company in one year. I know, apples and oranges as far as our jobs go but the reward for tenure and new employees is wrong. In my home state im seeing burger flippers making more money than me and they don't need to pass a drug screen to get that job. If they screw up the drive up order they aren't scared they might go to prison where if a nurse or truck driver screw up we may end up being sued or defending ourselves in a criminal trial. I question if its worth it... or why the hell im still doing this after 20 years and my experience level against a guy with 3 months is considered equal. I need a vacation I think? Oh yeah... I cant afford to miss any work. Grocery store prices and gasoline prices are sky rocketing and they say its because of driver shortages. Traveling nurses paid more than staff member nurses. Everything is messed up.

Exactly, same bs everywhere

This. Right here.

I came home from a med Surg chemo floor 8 years ago after kiddo number 3. Don't regret a thing. ❤️

I wish I felt this way. I struggled with trying to stay home on and off for 4 years. I have a 2yo and 4yo and I wanted to be home with them in the worst way but I’m just a better mom when I work. I also LOVE my job & having a sense of identity outside the home. Plus bringing in an income and providing insurance for my family is necessary as well. MAJOR props to all you SAHMs out there. I just can’t do it. Just hope I don’t regret it later. 😔

BRAVO!!!

Yep a $10-$20k retention bonus per experienced nurse would solve some of the staff shortages. 💡🔥

These hospitals wouldn’t pay these incremental raises or treatment and are now paying 2x or more for a traveler who isn’t as connected to the community or the people. They are probably excellent clinicians, but a nurse who is only planning to be at a facility for 2-3 months is never going to perform at a full timer on board for years. The connections with the EMS providers, law enforcement, city leaders, none of that is there.

I have a dear friend who is an awesome pediatric nurse, and she quit her regular job to do travel nursing. It pays SO much better and she gets to live wherever she wants to and work whenever she wants to. It’s a hard, hard job and it takes a very skilled nurse to jump into a brand new environment every few months (to put it lightly). Hospitals should consider very carefully the environment they are creating where people CHOOSE to only work in any one hospital for a few months and then are happy to leave. Yikes. Hospitals should treat their staff so well that they love doing their job. Instead they treat them so badly that they have to beg strangers to come work for them. 😳

While people that work in hospitals in the bay area cant even afford to live near work. They commute from Modesto or Tracy. While the California government raises gas taxes. IDK why people keep voting for these guys they DO NOTHING....

It's nurses' way of forcing hospital CEOs/CFOs/CMOs/COOs/CBSs to pay them what they're worth. Lol. I ain't mad at them.

You did the right thing. My sister did a similar thing. They treated her like crap, she quit nursing, now is at home, happy as a clam with young kids.

I walked from a unit clerk job in April 2020. After working from end if JANUARY that year, I couldn't believe the PPE shortage, poor ventilation, lack of transparency to notify employees to possible covid patient exposure, cross contamination practices, and I didnt really like working there! After getting a sinus infection with loss of smell, I walked.

And those that can't do manage in my opinion! A lot of them rise to their level of incompetence.

our problem as a country is that America is functioning exactly as intended and designed, and that you cannot peacefully reform this system.

There used to be the idea that we all needed moral upkeep. That America was great because she was good. The diff between Leaders and Managers is moral fiber.

Amen!!

The problem as a country its because its first moral value s Greed is Good and Money is the only God. NO HUMANITY NO RESPECT FOR KNOWLEDGE OR WISDOM

What do you do now

@@chellepatino1675 I work with my husband in his real estate business.

I quit my job too ... May the way forward be lighted by the bridges burning behind you. :)

I quit my high earning accounting job due to being treatex as disposable as well. Having a hard time finding my way and confidence. Got burnt pretty hard by that.

Let me guess…the not for profit earned millions per year and the hospital administer’s salary and perks were too obnoxious to mention. The loss is theirs and they will not know the peace of mind you now experience.

Why do they pay traveling nurses soo much more. Plz explain. It's like they want you separated away from your family & detached from your own community so you are unable to protest or promote change when you see patients being mistreated. If you try to speak up, they just transfer you elsewhere.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this traveling nurse's experience. It was filmed months ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edyYh7SHmqyyhXk.html

@@MK-ih6wp you don't have to travel far to be a traveler. There are local jobs 40 to 50 miles is the most you travel for local travel jobs. I already drive 40 for a regular job.

@@paulalindner9772 So you have a 40 mile commute to work, but you get the higher pay for being a travel nurse? That's a nice tradeoff. Are you experiencing burnout like everyone else?

@@paulalindner9772 my bad I thought you were a nurse!

And the only people that stand between life and death. Besides you guys too. Paramedics I mean.

58 here. Any ideas for non-nursing jobs? All I need to live is health benefits and 15-20 bucks an hour.

Congratulations! Also retired in 2021 and very glad I am fortunate enough to be able to retire. I feel very sorry for younger nurses!!! It is a damn shame. And will ruin nursing for decades to come.

I'm in the same boat. Good luck and I wish you the best

You guys frankly should all dump your jobs like you dump a bad boy/girlfriend, let them feel what they are without you.

@@yalu2 Get ARNPs and then get qualified to practice Functional Preventive Medicine... outside of the system. F the system, F the insurance companies and all the other 4 profit paws in the medical industrial complex.

Join the club my company is getting rid of me for not getting the jab despite having natural immunity. They don’t care.

@@valeriefoltz9801 That's your personal decision, and I respect it. Just be sure you are making the best decision you can for yourself. "The jab" is a very small sacrifice to make for your chosen livelihood.

I've never thought about it as organized crime, but you have got it square on the head! The day of reckoning is coming!

There should be a list of these hospitals which treat their staff like garbage. It will not help you but will give the next doctor or nurse a heads up there is an issues at that hospital. It will eventually make them change

@@jennyromero6063 I totally agree! In college I remember a website that had every college class and professor graded. I would read the reviews and make choices based off those reviews. The same should be done for physicians to grade these systems. Imagine going for an interview with a graded reviews printed and ask the CMO, CEO, recruiter to explain why they have issues. Also, it would be nice to know exactly what the physician turn over is at a hospital because they lie!!!!!!!

Their employers care about them about as much as they care about the patients. Nobody should let themselves fall under that thumb. All their decisions are guided by perverse incentives and should not be trusted.

I'm a second career nurse, 33 yrs old. I work a speciality nursing facility for those with severe physical and developmental disabilities and it's been rough since the beginning. We keep getting gift cards and pizza, but all I want is respect. I want better staffing and resources. A $50 gift card doesn't make me feel better. My grandmother's both wanted me to be a nurse as a kid and it took long after both their passings for me to finally do it. I've never felt so fulfilled and frustrated at the same time. I've never lost more sleep over a job than I do now. I hope each day I come here and can make a difference and keep these folks safe, of whom they can't themselves. Walking on eggshells everyday is exhausting, but idk if I can risk leaving a problem I am aware of to enter one I am not aware of 😥

And you did you your best. I look up to folks like you and hope to have your skill and knowledge one day 💗💗💗

@@deltasaves it sounds like you are doing your best. God will bless you. Thank you for your kind words.

Same here, lots retired early and lots have left the bedside

Ten minute office visits. This is horrible.

I am old enough to remember when docs were their own bosses with their own practices, and their admin staff were their underlings, not their overlords. All docs should return to that model, because you know what? Economy of scale has disappeared into admin bloat everywhere.

@@wendyc8549 No one can adequately care for patients in the amount of time they expect us to do it in. And, even if we can, the messages, refills, other paperwork, orders, etc. still need to get done somehow. In 2 days of work, I have put in 20 hours and still have more to do but that time doesn’t count! Only patient contact hours count! 😬

@rachel spaulding The local hospital system here effectively shuttered the only hospital for multiple rural communities "because it wasn't profitable". In the middle of the pandemic. Instead, they planned on shunting all patients except mental health and OB nearly an hour away to the main hospital, except they didn't (don't) have the staff nor beds to accept that influx. And the staff at that main hospital has been absolutely MISERABLE for decades, to the point they're paying travellers outrageous money only to quit before the end of their contract due to the culture at the hospital being so oppressive and unsafe.

Absolutely!

Yes it is. I USED to work for a big beer company....

Absolutely brother! 🔥

Even if we 'could' make it happen, how long would it last, 1 generation?. At least I experienced Healthcare in the 1970s, it was truly rewarding.

Nice to see you talking about something real. We are not leaving because we can not handle our jobs or stress. We are leaving because of Gov't mandates. Yes health and wellness is what should be promoted. We are also not quitting! We do not want to be part of this experiment. They do not have to release all ingredients in the shots for 55years. I am not an anti vaxxer. People resigned because they knew something was wrong with all of this. You did the same. You don't know you said I was uneducated. My job title does not make me stupid. I chose my position for my son, so I could be home for him. My stance on this v is because I have seen the adverse reactions first hand. This treatment does not even proclaim to do anything but make my symptoms less. It will not protect anyone but me. If I get covid and die, you can say whatever you want about me. I will not care because I will be dead. But there is a 99 % chance I will be ok. If I get the shot, no one knows what will happen. 2 or 3 years down the road i want evidence it will not negatively effect my life. No job is worth it. That is in fact why we are not staying. Some people quit to cash out benefits. Yes establishments have shit on us !! Bottom line is everyone of those people we take care of. No establishment will stop me from doing the utmost for our people, no matter thier policy, or missing bedtime.

Sounds like “leadership” are a bunch of cowards.

@@ZDoggMD It sounds like you're well on your way to your own "great awakening". I look forward to seeing more of your progress towards it. I know you care.

To me (having been there) burnout just means having chosen to tolerate an impossible situation for longer than you were actually able to. No foul, just too much naivité and optimism going in.

Burn out is easy to use and pretty much describes what is all about. Exhaustion syndrome is more official. Emotional collapse is not accurate. Anyway, psychiatrists recommend to find another job.

You know, I would have foregone compensation if we had just been supported.

100% right!

I believe it

My wife was a ED PA-C and the staffing company totally started screwing them and changing their hours and adjusting expected metrics during the pandemic b

I work in grocery. It’s even a problem here. We’re constantly short-staffed. Management will hire a skeleton staff, then tell us there’s not enough sales to justify hiring more, so we are all doing the work of 2 people. They don’t want to give raises either. The company has had some of the highest profits ever the last 2 years. I feel like store employees are just there to fund bigger bonuses for corporate management. There’s no excuse.

I've decided to leave my good paying retail job 1/1. I'll be taking on line classes and working 5 minutes from home (part time rather than full). Not driving 40 minutes. I have money, but no time for family time...or a hobby. Or a support group. Or friendship.

Funny how ceos are making millions, doctors over charge for everything and you guys who work your tails off get no part of the money. I’ve had it with the greed! Looks to me like they are setting us all up to welcome the new robotic nurses.

that sounds amazing!

That’s exactly it. The chickens have come home to roost and not one more cheezy “we’re in this together “ email is going to change it.

God bless you, Sister. Praying for you, thank you for your prayers. 🙏

Thank you Sister keep us in your prayers

@@valeriefoltz9801 I will pray for all of us who have the higher calling in healing the sick.

@@azmisunshine I "love" those emails. We applaud you. We appreciate you. We celebrate you. Blech. So sick of the superficiality and fakeness.

I saw the writing on the wall in the late 70s when DRG's took over health care. I say my first two children were "drive through" deliveries. Insurance companies dictated no admission and would not pay for anything over 24 hours.

Twenty three years ago when I started it was all about the care. Now it is all about what looks good on paper.

So how? How does it happen?

@@katiemaki4084 They put the business people into administration positions and those who want to make money run the hospitals. Doctors and nurses are essentially just employees.

@@shandard4861 I’m asking how do we change it? How do we as individuals change the system?

There is evidence in posts above that nonprofits (with their mission statements) and GovCare can be just as inhuman.

@@doctorisout Yes in Canada we have staffing shortages like crazy in healthcare which has been amplified significantly by the vaccine mandate. In long term care homes Canada gives atrocious/negligent care to the residents due to poor gov funding resulting in unsafe low staffing.

@@doctorisout as long as these exist in the environment of a market, market logic still dictates their actions. My business teacher used to tell us "businessmen are the best that can happen to a nation - as long as you keep them in cages". He didnt mean that literally. But the point is that any type of market - free, restricted, whatever - ultimately finds the most efficient way to make money. If the markets interests align with yours, that creates absolutely great results. But the market is an amoral concept and as such the solutions it comes up with are not neccessarily the ones you want. And then you have to react. As such a solution needs to shift the way the market works in itself, not just replace the actors in it.

You can create communitarian islands, but that does not mean that corporate types shouldn't get Nobels. Of course Nobel himself came from guns and explosives. Talk about moral injury....

Yes. My pain was always working for public (government) contracts. Medicare is a massive beast.

Sounds like fee for service ....

Can I ask why? Genuinely curious what makes nursing hard?

@@ltucker4 1) arrive to work early unpaid because change of shift takes time and in order to be properly prepared on your patients (depending on your area) you need the thorough history. Not only that but if I arrive RIGHT on time the nurse who is transferring care has to give me report on these patients and if I show up right on time that means they leave late 2) frequently expected to stay late to chart or document without overtime - "we won't pay for this you should have done it during working hours or asked someone for help!"..... I did!! 3) frequently working 16 hour day shifts because nights was always short so that "just 4 more hours which is nothing compared to the 12 hours you just worked" really adds up 4) having personal relationships with the staff you work with and knowing they will be screwed if you don't pick up that extra 4 hours, or that overtime, or that third or 4th weekend in a row

@@ltucker4 5) back amd forth between night shifts gets more amd more difficult 6) constantly short staffed even before the pandemic so increased workloads that were not safe amd have gotten even worse...putting your license on the line means your livelihood 7) in all the years I was a bedside nurse many changes occurred and the majority increased the workload and didn't make my life easier 8) little time to sit...standing all day and lifting patients 9) workplace violence from other staff and physicians and from patients which is well documented it is getting worse 10) lots of missed breaks, even if you took your break you felt guilty for taking the full time

@@ltucker4 11) moral distress...you knew what should be done and the minimum standard of care and that's all some patients would get because there are so many other demands amd some days patients wouldn't even get that. Rarely is there an opportunity to go above amd beyond 12) to point 11, doing treatments and therapies to patients that could only be classified as cruel and inhuman because of family members 13) where I am at least, no baby sitter exists for 12+ hours so trying to switch shifts and schedule your life with a young family is a nightmare in a staffing crisis 14) regulatory body license prices are a scam 15) unions harm you as much as they help you and feel like you're always stuck between a rock and a hard place

@@TheGibby13 The fact that I have to pay over $500 a year just to renew my license, on top of over $100 a month for union dues, to work in an industry where I’m constantly told I’m so needed. Why are you charging me to do my job if I’m so needed?

I’m going through the same experience with my son. He’s smart, ambitious and hard- working but struggles to find purpose in staying in school (college junior).

@@mtnriffraff68 I think we are witnessing a huge shift in humanity. It’s hard to guide them because we are unsure what the future will bring. For a long time we have been conditioned that college is a necessity. But at the same time I think the education ( for some degrees) has been greatly devalued in our current system. My daughter has always wanted to be a teacher. Even as young as first grade she set her bedroom up as a classroom and taught her dolls. She has always wanted to do this. She is going to a school highly credited for teaching. She is getting a good education, looks forward to her future. My son who is a senior this year wants to be a fishing guide. He loves the outdoors. Enjoys being with like minded people and doesn’t want to be owned by a boss. We encouraged him to get a business degree thinking it would help him own his own business or give him a fallback if his passion didn’t pan out. We are now realizing his happiness is most important. He would be miserable sitting in an office. It’s taken us a while as parents to understand how we were trained to think of “working and career” isn’t the ONLY way to be successful. My husband has worked hard to support us all. For many years in a thankless job. Fortunately he found a job he now enjoys :) but it took years of unhappiness to get there. Yet, we still just saw that as “what you did”. you just do it, wake up, get dressed go to your sucky job, watch the ass kissers get promoted, go to bed, get up and do it again. Your “reward” was a 2 week vacation. It’s basically your contribution to society. Through my sons eyes we realized if he did what my husband did it would eat at his soul. Like your son, my son is very smart and very self driven. But he needs passion, the more passion he has the harder he works. We realized his passion likely will drive him to find success in what path he chooses. His success may not be monitory it may be happiness. It is his life, not ours. I think our kids get this. We should be happy we gave them the tools to understand life can be better than the life we showed them. We taught them the freedom to say “no” I don’t have to do it your way, maybe there is a different way. It’s hard to break the social norm that “school makes you successful”. I think we are on the cusp of many changes in society. Hopefully these changes are a betterment for society and future generations will be allowed to explore passion and not feel forced into student debt and years of unnecessary schooling that doesn’t prepare them for the real world. Parenting young adults is HARD! It’s much more challenging than when they were young! I think both of our boys will be ok! They will find what makes them happy and happiness counts for A LOT!

Prayers sent on your behalf Much agape love sent to you and yours ❤

It's illegal to demand people's medical info (which is what asking for their Vax status is). They tried to sneak that through and violate international human rights laws.

He's already got me tearing up at 2:15 because he is speaking my existence right now.

YES!

That was amazing! We do get forgotten a lot, but we are getting represented in tv shows and movies more frequently!