He didn't necessarily say he doesn't know the joker, just that Bruce had never mentioned him. Saying he knows of all his other enemies could just mean Bruce talked about them, but never mentioning the Joker doesn't mean he does not know about him at all.

I always thought Tim Drake killed the joker on purpose. you can see in the clip he takes careful aim and adjusts where he's firing. In my mind that was part of what ultimately broke him, rendering him a crying heap, abandoning the code that Batman taught him and taking vengeance on someone who hurt him by killing them.

Terry knows who the joker is but he never was aware of the full range of his reputation. He saw him probably like he sees the jokerz gang, a petty crook with cheap clown gimmicks that somehow always got away. He didn’t realize the unique terrifying relationship between Bruce and the joker, and the sadistic motivations behind a man with nothing to lose.

Terry knows who joker was, like how we all know who al Capone was, it's just that bruse never tells him what it was like facing him, or atleast that's how I interpreted it

Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker is one of the best animated DC films ever made. It includes easily one of the best if not the best Death of The Joker.

I see kinda Terry as the love child of Batman and Spider-Man.

I'll tell you one underrated Batman movie is Batman The Mask of the Phantasm. To me that was one of the best performances of the Joker.

"The show did a piss poor job at making threats for the character." Major disagree there; Blight is one of the better antagonists in the series and effectively WAS the catalyst for Terry donning the hood. He was manipulative, cold, and where the Joker had pure insanity and was hell bent on psychologically destroying Batman, Blight was a tyrant who viewed him as nothing more than a massive thorn in his side. Not to mention the famous line: "You killed my father." "Do you have even the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?" Honorable mentions to Inque, Shriek, Spellbinder, and the Royal Flush gang (even though they're technically not original, they are most definitely unique takes on them)

I think Terry is just implying that Bruce never went in depth about his relationship with the Joker, I assume he has the basic understanding that every ordinary Gotham citizen has of the Joker... however that being said I would kinda find it funny if this was a “Freddy vs Jason” scenario where after the Joker’s death all of Gotham just fucking burned every document and evidence of his existence to forget him as soon as possible.

Second favorite scene in this movie is easily Terry taunting the Joker at the candy factory and Joker legitimately getting pissed off about it. In all the years Joker has been a villain the one thing you very very rarely saw was Joker being humiliated, someone else pulling the pranks at his expense. As a matter of fact the only other time I've seen someone truly get under the Jokers collar by making a fool of him was during Batman TAS (The Animated Series) when Joker is tricked into thinking he's inherited Edward Barlowe's (a major crime boss) fortune, a whopping 250 million dollars after suffering significant money problems. Only to find out most of the money he received was fake. FYI I say "most of the money is fake" because to convince Joker he is actually rich the first 10 million of the money he receives is real, the rest however is totally fake. A plan Edward "King" Barlowe set into motion after his death so Joker could never get his revenge. The Icing on the cake is Barlowe had a video prepared for when Joker once he realized the money was fake so Joker could watch him have the last laugh from beyond the grave. In this episode you learn 2 things about the Joker. 1. If Joker had any restraint at all he would've still walked away with 10 million dollars but he blew it all in like a week. 2. the one thing Joker is more afraid of than Batman is the IRS. 😂 If you've never seen the episode its called "Joker's Millions" its a classic give it a watch.

Vee infuso : Terry isn't the second coming of Bruce Wayne People who watched epilogue : cute

No no it’s not that Terry doesn’t know about the joker it’s more, Bruce never talked about him. I imagine Bruce like all old men would talk about his past exploits teaching Terry lessons through story. But Joker... that’s somthing Bruce wasn’t willing to talk about

"It's nice seeing your heroes grow up and mature." Exactly what we need more of in American comics. But as you said old school fans and most writers hate anything new or different.

20:40 You know, I never realized the irony in how Joker laughed at Bruce's origin story, only for then Terry to laugh at his. It really is a taste of his own medicine 😂

I would have personally picked 'Batman: mask of the Phantasm' but, fantastic video and review of the film nonetheless! - J🃏

The chip that Joker used was made out of Cadmus technology whatever that means (It’s explained in Justice League episode Epilogue)

“The second robin, Tim Drake” Jason Todd: “Am i a joke to you?”

I like to think that Terry did what Miles would do with Spider-Man, never replacing the original but honoring him while having an identity of his own

I like to think That Terry does know about the Joker to some degree, but only as much as the rest of Gotham does.

Indeed it is! Mark Hamill gave his greatest and darkest performance as the Clown Prince Of Crime.😊

But terry didn't say he didn't know about the joker he said Bruce never mentions him

This title is very correct. This was probably the greatest. Well that or Mask of the Phantasm

That moment when the narrator tells the audience to “shut up”. Perfection!

I understood why he didn’t know about the Joker, He’s like Gotham’s Freddie Krueger, they wanna put that memory to rest and erase the memory of him, act like he was a legend and the new generation probably wouldn’t care to know etc,

Of course Terry knows who the Joker is, he's asking for more intimate details about him, things only Batman would know.

I watched this movie when I was 5 I had nightmares about Joker breaking into my home and strapping me and my family down onto a chair and then killing them in front of me! I would wake up as soon as I heard the gun shots.

I cant get over how in my country Batman Beyond was just straight up called ''Batman From The Future'' and it was still the tightest shit ever

Terry McGinnis is quite frankly my favorite Batman.

“Want to know how to defeat me? It’s right here on my neck.” *Points*

I watched this movie as a kid, and the scene where Joker showed Tim Jokerised is the moment I stopped seeing the Joker as simply an evil clown, and saw him as a truly psychotic monster

Can we acknowledge how similar Wayne Manor looked to Terry's dad's place back in episode 1? Sure it wasn't actually the Jokers who did the deed but that imagery must have got him even more worried

That sentence about Terry asking about Joker never bothered me because it always felt implied he knew of the Joker, but the details of facing him has never been shared like the others because of how traumatic it was.

“The second Robin Tim Drake” Jason Todd “and I took that personally”

That's interesting about the DB censorship for the American audience. Fine with them being in pain for eternity as long as they don't die because THAT would scar children...

I was kind of looked at Terry not knowing about the joker being that Bruce never described him like the other villains. Terry knows who the joker is but it's the one villain Batman always refused to talk about.

Granted Return of The Joker is great but the biochip macguffin cheapens an otherwise fantastic twist. Tim Drake being corrupted by the Joker and genuinely becoming convinced that Batman is the real villain for turning children into expendable weapons is a far more compelling narrative because it actually introduces moral complexity to the story.

You referred to Terry as Bruce's ward. Bruce never adopted him. Great review

It's probably the most underrated of all batman movies, and my personal favorite. Always has been. Throughout both my childhood and adult life, nothing has ever dethroned it in my eyes.

Man, I have been thinking about it since 2015 and I am still thinking it now: Terry has been able to do something Bruce never could: Get under the Joker's skin; the joker can dish it out but he can't take it. I keep on thinking that if the joker became Terry's rogue's gallery in the future, Terry would also not kill the Joker but the Joker would always escape arkham over and over again and kill people in arkham just to escape but not to try to mess with Batman to break his no killing rule but to try escape to GET BACK and Terry/Batman just to get the last laugh. Imagine this: Terry fights the joker and terry throw one liners at Joker and the Joker is pissed and is eventually defeated by terry and is sent to arkham. Joker is usually laughing when Bruce took him to arkham but if Terry does it, Joker would be angry because of Terry getting under his skin and would escape arkham killing arkham workers just to get back at terry just to get the last laugh; as we all know Joker always wants the last laugh. Bruce's actions of bringing Joker back to arkham just to break out again leads to the Joker killing more people. Terry's actions of bringing Joker to arkham would result in Joker escaping killing people just because Joker wants the last laugh and payback at Terry. This sounds like a concept the Joker would do considering how we see him play these games with Bruce and how he reacts with Terry getting the better of him. Terry would be a batman that Joker would care about figuring out the identity of; he doesn't care about the identity of the original batman because that was part of the fun for him but for Terry he would want to know his identity because the best way to ensure Joker would get the last laugh on future batman is to really hurt Terry by let's say attacking his loved ones and the best way to attack his loved ones is to figure out future batman's identity; this would really show the difference between 2 batmans foils between Joker.

I would love a animated movie focused on flashpoint joker

Hey Vee, I totally 1000% agree with you on this being the best of all Batman movies! Like you say this movie and show work on a level that they easily could not have in less capable hands. Terry is, in my opinion, a super underrated character in Batman lore and the only permanent successor Batman I'd accept. The whole Beyond era is just my favorite thing and I too really enjoy the "seeing our heroes grow old" bit that you mention. I also just generally like stories that take place after the majority of note-worthy adventures and are something of an epilogue (pun intended) to the main story. I know it wasn't out yet at the time Beyond first aired, but I like the fact that it takes place after all the world-ending stakes that occur in JL and JLU and just the comparative smallness of Bruce and Terry's adventures. On the whole, I couldn't agree more with your opinons on this film; top notch stuff!

My only regret is they made him related...I always loved when he was just a new guy trying to live up to the legend.

It is really odd that Terry didn't know of Joker as he's even worked with the Justice League including Superman. There was even Bane & Mr. Freeze not to mention Joker's still one of the most feared, if not the most feared, villians in all of DC. Keep in mind DC has guys like: Darkseid, Doomsday, Brainic, Lobo, & Trigon all of which have destroyed planets very easily. Minor detail but Joker vs Terry in the Batman Beyond suit in a fair fist-fight should've been over absurdly quickly as the suit is incredibly powerful

Couldn’t agree more I’ve probably watched this movie over 30 times

Terry does know about the Joker. He just didn't know how he died. Throughout the series, Terry mentions and references him a couple of times.

The DCAU has always had technological and genetic developments beyond what we have in the present, usually explained eventually as Cadmus, so a chip that stores and unleashes genetic change isn’t completely inconsistent. It’s crazy enough for Joker to do, and if Batman finds out, it makes it personal which suits Joker fine. Even better in fact.

Fantastic Video Vee! This is my favorite Batman movie as well. I love the blend of the past and present, as well as the fact that they updated us on so many characters lives. I still wonder though, who did Harley Quinn start a family with.

What I always found as one of the most interesting aspects of this series was the absence of Dick Grayson. I wondered as a kid, "but wait where's nightwing" Then as an adult I discovered that he's not there because Bruce and Barbara had an affair when Dick was going to propose to Babs, and she got pregnant by big Bats. She lost the kid, but it broke the relationship between Dick and Bruce to an unfixable state.

I’m probably gonna re-watch this later now cause of this vid.

Under the Red Hood was the Greatest Batman Movie...

no credable threats? curare? inque? the stalker? terry has a lot of threatening villians. hell, terry confided in max that how he had issues with inque because he could never beat her without help. aside from that, great vid, vee. :)

My favorite moment in this movie is towards the end when Joker has revealed he knows Batman's identity and while Joker is laugh is greatest laugh Batman dives through the window and gives Joker one of the most violent smacks in the face I'd ever seen in anything. There was so much rage behind that smack I thought he broke the Jokers neck or at least the prelude to Batman finally killing the Joker. Skip to 1:33 in the link below if you wanna see what I mean kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fbmaoJyqq97bfp8.html

This movie is an absolute masterpiece. I’ve watched it twice and I never got bored. Oh and vee, when we going to get some of that vee on bee action?

My people! You're gonna get a few people who're like "bUt It'S a CaRtOoN", but you could do worse than having the definitive Batman, definitive Joker, and highly imaginative set pieces and story that isn't a derivative of anything.

Oh, Terry knows who the Joker is, make no mistake. But... there's a difference between what history gets printed, and what the people who were there will tell you about it.

09:20 - Terry probably did know about the Joker prior to this event, but Bruce just never mentioned or gave insight about the Clown Prince of Crime to Terry, because of the events seen in the film. Some memories are just too painful to bring up.

The kill counter of The Joker in this movie goes sky high.Imagine how many people were killed in those buildings,when he hit them with the laser gun.

Batman Beyond was a pretty underrated series. I really enjoyed it.

I seem to remember Bruce Timm (or was it Paul Dini?) who addressed the damage done by the beam in this film and how many people were harmed. He said everyone conveniently got out of the buildings before they were zapped and the drivers got out of their cars before they exploded or fell off the broken roads. Personally, I thought that was hilarious!

Also! With the reveal at the end of Harley being the grandmother its also revealed that shes alive! We see her falling off into darkness during her fight with Batgirl with her unable to save her, so its hinted that both Joker and Harley died that day (tho her body wasnt found) so it was like the best thing ever knowing that she survived and had a nice life once the joker was gone

I just saw this movie a couple of weeks ago for the second time in a long time - and yes, it's awesome. Wow, what a coincidence with this video.

I've been saying this years! Also under the red hood is extremely underrated

8:10 in an earlier episode with shriek demanding Batman’s life, Bruce is fine with what he thinks is terry neglecting the sacrifice given the public’s opinion that the new Batman should give his life so they don’t have to suffer. Bruce is so emotional in that episode that he’s willing to go against what he started decades ago just so Terry’s safety isn’t compromised. I think it’s intentional that he’s being selfish because he’s established the first bond he’s had with someone likely since Alfred died

Batman:Beyond is desperately underrated, not even just in the Batman Canon but also just cartoons in general. The style and how they designed this world is beautiful. I was obsessed with it as a kid, especially the different villains they got to do because of how the tech worked, Inque was a personal favourite

Mask of The Phantasm is always gonna be my all time fave

21:52 oh come on Bruce will outlive us all. He's to stubborn to die

After the microchip is destroyed. The satellite drifts off into space. I always thought what if the Joker somehow uploaded his conscious into the satellite thus a possible sequel for a future hi-tech Joker.

I like in the episode "Epilogue" they explain that the Joker used the Cadmus tech to brainwash and transform Tim Drake

I got to say the joker was easily defeated in batman beyond: return of the joker

I love this movie but better than mask of the phantasm and under the red hood?

I loved this animated feature. The Joker keeps referring to Terry McGuinus as "Bat-Fake"!

Also, one detail I love to point out in this film that I've picked up on over multiple viewings is the coorelation between the events of the flashback and Joker's larger plan in the film (dealing with his cheating mortality). This is in that by "Joker-izing" young Tim Drake he is, in a way, letting Bruce know what he really did during the weeks Tim was missing, showing Bruce (who he didn't expect to live on to the future had his plan suceeded) what Tim would become, while at the same time serving as a perfect cover in that the torture Tim endured would seem horrific enough that Bruce and co. wouldn't think to even look for the chip. It all plays into your point about the Joker wanting Batman to know what he did, as was shown/stated in Under the Red Hood in the interrogation scene. A truly brilliant movie that just works on so many levels!

I think Batman: Mask if the Phantasm is the best one. I just really like how Bruce was shown in it.

Tim breaking down in tears after killing the joker will always be an amazing/emotional moment.

Batman and wrestling AND King of Thieves...are we the same person? Just discovered you via OSW love the content!

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This one, Mask of the Phantom, and Red hood are the best

I've always loved Terry. Yes I was kid watching this series/movie but I always got the vibe of Batman Beyond basically kinda being "what if a near-Peter Parker clone became batman instead of spider-man", and I love it. I've been on a 90s/early 2000s animated batman kick lately, I adore this movie even as an adult.

Always glad to see this movie get some love. For myself, Mask of the Phantasm barely edges it out but this was, for a time, a wonderful coda to the entire Batman Animated Universe storyline until the JLU episode "Epilogue" a few years later. I always wished the show had gone on for another season or two as, you were right, we were seeing Terry finding himself in the role and towards the end of Season 3 we began to clearly see Terry as Batman. I liked your critique of Terry as Batman. I always felt that they took what worked for Peter Parker as Spider-Man and just applied that to Batman. I think the only reason he didn't have as memorable a Rogues Gallery is that when you have a Rogues Gallery as memorable as the OG Batman, it's kind of hard to top that. They did have some interesting villains like Inque and Shriek. However a lot of these villains fell into the Marvel 2099 vibe and could never really catch on. Although they did have potential.

Even though this is definitely one of the greatest pieces of the DCAU, _Mask of the Phantasm_ is still the definitively best Batman film of all-time.

I gotta go with Mask of the Phantasam myself but Return of The Joker is really freaking good

Bro ur intro is so perfect 😂😂😂

Vee: "he'll probably have Bruce in his ear till the day he dies..." Me: which one, Bruce or Terry? Batman Beyond comics: "Yes."

8:00 I know I’m a year late but as a kid I always interpreted that scene as Bruce sending Terry away because he knew he’d come back but he was anticipating Joker somehow knowing the location of the Batcave so he did that so Terry’s life wouldn’t come under harm rendering him useless as Batman plus Bruce was cooking up a batch of Joker venom in anticipation

This was the film that gave the WB DC Animation the desire to continue to push the ratings on their future animation films. So wonderful that we have PG-13 and R rated DC animated films.

Based on earlier conversation in the movie, you can infer that Terry knew about the Joker in a general way. All Terry said was that Bruce doesn’t talk about him.

Under the Red Hood is definitely up there too. Also, I approve your appreciation of King of Thieves.

Vee's back baby

Nice video on one of the best Batman films. I agree with the things you said about the whole predecessor thing. Every time a guy who's not Bruce puts on the cowl, they just seem like an imposter (I know most of them were just taking his place for a bit and so on. But still it just doesn't work for me.) Terry, on the other hand, felt like a different guy. He had parts of Bruce, but he also managed to be his own man. Currently Batman Beyond is the only character besides Bruce who is worthy of the Batman name to me. How about a Mask of the Phantasm review next??

This is one of my favorite bat reviews I've ever seen. You perfectly captured the cheeky puns in your script. I'm just so delighted over here at all the little touches.

You referencing King of Thieves is the exact reason I subscribed just now. Thank you my good man.

Joker: "You''re no Batman." Batman: "Okay, boomer." Joker: *dies* I love it.

This is my position These Batman movies are the best in the DCAU movies Batman Mask Of The Phantasm, This movie, Batman The Dark Knight Returns 1 & 2, The mystery of Batwoman, Sub zero, year one was pretty good it’s like the precursor to the dark knight returns These right here are gold

9:35 Of COURSE he knew about the Joker, he just didn't know anything about him specifically. Only stories and rumors probably. It makes perfect sense to me.

Major props to Andrea Romano, not only was casting and voice director, but also got a tear out of me when Tim Drake, still laughing, breaks down as he realizes what has happened.

I always read it as, when Terry says “you never talked about the Joker” he means BRUCE never talked about him. Not that Terry didn’t know the normal parts the public knew.

Just got this movie on Sunday and it is amazing novie with Tim Drake being a Puppet for the joker the characters are well and the story is amazing wish we have good animated movies like this one.

11:32 um no through SHOCK TORTURE AND DRUGS!!! Jokers actual line is "the SHOCKS and SERUMS took their toll" this is way darker than Stockholm syndrome

16:01 best to let the expert answer this one: Senator Armstrong: "NANOMACHINES SON!"

Interesting video. And I’m quite surprised that you featured Kevin Conroy near the end of it