Sam Langford would have smoked him.....look up The Boston tar baby

Back when there where only 8 divisions and 1 belt for each division real prestigious champions.

@@ComaToast1 absolutely

Wrong. He fought at junior welterweight but never became champ there. Don't believe everything KZfaq boxing histerians tell you.

he officially retired in 45 and 140 lbs started in 46.

Society now Mickey Mouse that’s a warrior a legend

Armstrong didn't keep losing his title everytime you turn around like Robinson did.

@@fmills1583 what? Was srr not undefeated as a welterweight? Went 128-1 before losing again

@@mjkpanda Yes...and?

Homicide Hank Henry Armstrong🐐👑

Ray Leonard held the Welterweight & Light Middleweight World Titles at the same time & used the Light Middleweight title fight against an undefeated Champion as a warm up to face the undefeated Tommy Hearns ! A much more professional era, better athletes, higher stakes, global audiences. Armstrongs accomplishments in a less professional era dont outshine Leonards gold medal & then beating undefeated Benetiz. Leonard is possibly the most under rated all time great, of all time.

In fact apparently he was robbed and could of had 4 titles at the same time

@@SPIDERM0OSE Leonard got a lot more gifts, and was very inactive. I'm not sure what you mean by a more professional era. Steaks were higher in Armstrong era, if you did no good you're dead out of luck great depression breed hungrier fighters. Boxing was bigger on the global scale when Armstrong fought, it had a slow decline which continued in the Leonard era. Leonard fought in an era where boxers fought less and got payed more [thanks to tv], inactivity lead to a lot of mediocre boxers. Recently people were wowed by Floyd Mayweathers shoulder roll, but back in the day that was the regular, Charley Burley was a beast at it. Wasn't even famous because active fighters showed a lot of skill sets back then, floyds defense was the regular. Now we are used to mediocre defense, Leonard was considered defensive and he never showed any phenomenal tricks. Watered down talent, weaker era

@@robinsonray6766 Yer talkin outa yer ass romanticizing the past. People communicated internationally via telegram, not even telephone back then so how tha fuck was the sport more "Globalised" . Yer talkin outa yer ass. Depression era fighters were hungry, full stop. Same as malnourished famin or concentration camp victims are hungry. Does that make em super athletes ? Yera fuckin idiot.

Robinson Ray eh....

Same here mate lol and much love from London, England, U.K. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

Ffs christopher

I'm smoking 'barkeys' and wolfing down 'bon-bons' (and lots of hamburger 'buns') right now as I am listening to uber-long-winded Teddy Atlas 'shoot the breeze': Maybe I can convince Atlas to go 'duck-huntin' with me: We'll 'shoot ducks IN the breeze'.......

I don't know if you had this show in the UK, but in the US there was a TV show called "Friday Night Fights" with Teddy Atlas and others as analysts. That used to be an essential part of my Friday night ritual. I really, really miss his fight analysis and his stories about the fight game.

@@Artaud1957 I’m from the uk and used to watch Friday night fights and loved Teddy’s commentary, so it was on over here too!

Yeah that was an explanation given to explain his unbelievable stamina. As far as swarming fighters go I think he's number 1. For greatest I have to pick ray robinson, 5 time middleweight champion and fought ATG competition even passed his prime.

John Durant hammerin was born on the 12/12/12 and I believe he died in 1988, would’ve made him 75

Homocide hank was the name

Robinson carried Armstrong out of respect. He idolized him.

Robinson said it was an honor to have beaten his idol...😭😭😭 Shit is strong man

While that is probably true (and remarkably humble/honest on Armstrong’s part to admit), you must consider that the primary REASON it is true is that Robinson was significantly larger than Armstrong by at least a couple full weight classes (full as in, there were no intermediary “weight classes” in between back then)

Yeah Robinson was way bigger than Armstrong.

My point!!! How did he not mention Ray Robinson??? Crazy

Naw, that actually would be like 7 weight divisions.

Absolutely true. Never gave his opponents room to breathe either

How about Aaron Pryor who had a style like Armstrong's and who was like a kamikaze himself would throw an unbelievable amount of punches. He could also box calmly and pick you apart. Remember He was a Lightweight when he turned pro and got frustrated because he was unable to secure a title shot with either of the Lightweight Champions who were avoiding him. So he moved up and fought Antonio Cervantes at Junior Welterweight. Both Leonard and Duran would shy away from talking about Pryor. He was considered to much risk for not enough money. The Welterweights wanted no part of him. Remember in those days if you didn't have a Gold medal you weren't getting on TV so soon. The money wasn't there. Howard Davis who was a good amateur Boxer and Gold Medalist had outpointed Pryor in a close fight in Olympic trials. Howard Davis was fighting Jim Watt for the WBC Lightweight title in June of 1980. Howard Davis only had around 13 fights going into that fight. He lost to Watt and Pryor was undefeated and probably had at least close to 20 plus fights and was knocking people out but wasn't being mentioned. I think I remember one of his fights finally being shown on NBC one weekend and I was like who is this guy ? He fights like he's in the school yard and somebody took his lunch or said something about his family. I had never seen a fighter be do reckless but yet do talented. He was amazing. Oh I am not saying he would have beaten Armstrong but it would have been an action packed fight from bell to bell.

Alistair Hann ya Duran vs Armstrong is my dream fight. I’d probably pick Hammering Hank but damn that’s tough

CURTIS MCNEIL Id say a prime Durans style was just as similar to Armstrong’s as Prior’s was. The Hawk used allot of ones and twos but Durran and Armstrong both liked to fight on the inside and use some wrestling tactics

That's an Epic Dream-match for certain. I can name a big bunch of them,being that I'm almost 50 and have followed Boxing since my childhood. Here's a few. Hagler vs Monzon SRR vs Roy Jones Jr. SRR vs SRL SRR vs Thomas Hearns -Manny Pacqiou vs Julio Cesar Chavez. -Rocky Marciano vs Gene Tunney. -Evander Holyfield vs Jack Dempsey. -Max Baer vs Butterbean

@@curtismcneil8695 Pryor's balance is probably the key difference between him and Armstrong. You seem very knowledgeable about boxing, do you think Crawford resume is better than Pryor's right now? 140 has been considered somewhat weak historically.

What an honour to meet Moore. A true legend of the game and an eloquent, dignified and highly intelligent man. Also a fine trainer, who taught Foreman the Philly Shell defense that the big man adopted for much of his comeback.

@@alistairhann2094 This ^^^ guy has never seen Foreman fight. Unless hes calling a cross armed defense a Philly shell .. which is acyually just a shoulder roll, that didnt originate in Philadelphia, or anywhere else in particular & is something George Foreman most definitely never used in his entire boxing careers.

@@SPIDERM0OSE I've seen almost every Foreman fight. The shell is the cross armed defense -- nothing to do with the shoulder roll.

@@alistairhann2094 Thats why all the Philadelphia fighters use a cross armed guard eh ? #LoLz A few of the old time Phili boys, I think George Benton was one of em, mastered the shoulder roll Mayweather Sr n Jr are famous for, so Jonny come lately KZfaq experts like yerself renamed it a Phili shell. Archie Moore n Ken Norton are the only two I seen use the cross armed guard regularly, maybe Azumah Nelson too & I didn't see Foreman use it until he linked up with Angelo Dundee in his comeback. Pretty sure Archie was in Foremans camp at the start of his career, working with him & Liston.

@@SPIDERM0OSE Turns out you are right on this one. I'd always thought that was the name for the cross-arm guard. I don't claim to be an expert and have no problem admitting when I am wrong.

Boxing always was a business but today.... 0 risks all hype pure bullshit lots of "champs" that cant box

gussstavo well said mate so true your comment

@T DW love it or leave it

19 defenses in 2 years..

Joe Ridge they robbed him for the middleweight title

@@autokronicles8160 yeah we all know the story......or wait a minute....no, a lot of people probably dont. Yeah, he should have been the first champ champ champ champ.

The problem is those 18-19 title defenses are mostly against lightweights and sometimes lightweights with losing records. Not taking anything away from Armstrong but imagine the outcry and criticism that Floyd Mayweather took when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez and Marquez was top 2 pound for pound at that time, not mentioning he knocked out Pacquiao at 147, too. Armstrong is getting credit for beating lightweights in a welterweight match.

@Legend of Awe Sheeet !!! MARQUEZ also move up 2 weight classes and beat Pacquiao and Alvarado. So, against Floyd, MARQUEZ can't carry his skills to the bigger weight classes but with Pacquiao, he can. You're argument holds no water and actually like most critics are quite stupid and bias.

Can you please give me the link for that audio book?

@@dragoljubradovic9790 its called "Atlas" and its on audible 👌

Not easily tho homey Hank was robbed in a fight at 160 if not he is a four division champ at the same time!

@@mookeychase0907 facts Armstrong and Greg are the best of all time

Sugar Ray Robinson beat Henry Armstrong

@@darealone2520 Armstrong was way passed his prime at that point. Robinson idolized him and he even admitted that from what I read.

The only person the mob had to deal with and not the other way around.

Agreed.

Langford is my favorite. I love the densive styles that are aggressive like duran as well.

@@Keaweahe Very little footage of Langford -- denied the fights he deserved partly because of racism and also because he was a fearsome guy. In the clips I've seen, I'm always amazed by the length of his arms in proportion to his body. Probably explains how he could bang hard enough to mix it at HW.

@@alistairhann2094 lol, he was 5'6, for heavyweight, his reach was average. He looks similar to james toney and mayweather but more aggressive, and has a lot of power. Thats why hes ranked no 2 on the ring magazines punches list.

@@alistairhann2094 your right though, for his body shape, his arms were ridiculous long

Robinson ducked burley

Robinson got hit too much also.

Kerryl Johnson NOT AS A WELTERWEIGHT! HE DID HAVE A GREAT CHIN WHICH ALLOWED HIM TO TAKE CHANCES AND PUNCHES! JUST THINK ABOUT THIS , ROBINSON WAS 89-0, BEFORE LOSING HIS FIRST FIGHT TO LAMOTTA. UNHEARD OF TODAY. GUYS FOUGHT ONCE A WEEK YEARS AGO!🥊🥊🥊

Auto Kronicles AS A BIG SUGAR RAY FAN, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE HE DUCKED ANYONE? WHO WAS BURLEY?🤔🥊🤔

Richard Robinson if you don’t know Charles burley then ydksab

Robinson and Armstrong avoided Burley

As good as Burley was Ezzard Charles beat him twice, Charles is the most underrated champion in boxing, denied a shot at both the middleweight and light-heavyweight titles because he was so damn good, had to move up to heavyweight and more than held his own.

@@dannylovejoy5895 Charles was maybe top 15 all time?

Danny Lovejoy Charles was a much bigger man Burley was a natural welterweight forced to take fights against much bigger guys because no top welterweights were allowed to go near him.

@@markdavies2662 among many others

Substitute Joe Louis for Henry Armstrong

Thats a good choice, hes definitely in the mix. For me its Sam Langford.

Langford or Greb for me....

Greb, Langford, Robinson, and Armstrong. Top 4 for me.

And it’s a damn shame we don’t even have footage of Harry Greb… barely any of Little Sam and barely any of Robinson in his prime.

How can these fighters be ranked and there’s no footage of them? They have film of Greb signing a contract to fight Mickey Walker, but no footage of the fight???

It was a different time.. he couldn't do that nowadays, the sport has evolved..

@@PimpingAintEasy1 The 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, noughties is better than the current era of boxing.

Really ! I was so looking forward to reading it and was massively disappointed !

Amen to this. Also Liebling's a "A Neutral Corner".

My top 5 1. Harry Greb 2. Sugar Ray Robinson 3. Sam Langford 4. Henry Armstrong 5. Willie Pep

What?

@@jasonablah7702 thanks I change it

Reduntant and tiring mostly

Armstrong got robbed of the MIDDLEWEIGHT championship belt when he fought Ceferino Garcia. Armstrong is the best ever. The record speaks for itself. He won world titles when they actually meant something. Sugar Ray only won 2 divisions he failed winning the 3rd because of heat exhaustion. Homicide Hank was the original pound 4 pound king!

@@joesoto690 career -wise yes, you are probably correct

Joe Soto, Armstrong and Robinson fought. Do you have any idea who won?

@@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd yeah...Armstrong was at the very end...SRR said he held back so that not to hurt him....Armstrong answered Robinson was scared..

Mtf, That’s bullshit, he was on the comeback and had beaten Sammy Angott, Juan Zurita, Tippy Larkin, Leo Rodak, Fritzie Zivic, and avenged a loss to Willie Joyce too.

Best pound for pound: Robinson Greatest of all time: Ali Greatest champion: Louis

It’s a disgrace there isn’t footage of Robinson in most of the 40s. We have film from the 1890s but not of Robinson from the 1940s??! What the hell

Harry Greb is one of the very best ever, if not the very best and there’s no clear footage of him

Sabreeem Neely Robinson was a ducker

@Dezi King so who do u think is the greatest of all time

strategery101 no Rocky Marciano?

@strategery101 Good List. P4P I have these 20 fighters ranked (based on observed skills {or use of skills versus HoF), record of top elites faced & beaten, longevity, undisputed champ status): 1. Sam Langford 11. Jack Johnson 2. Sugar Ray Robinson 12. Roberto Duran 3. Henry Armstrong 13. Willie Pep 4. Harry Greb 14. Barney Ross 5. Muhammad Ali 15. Archie Moore 6. Joe Louis 16. Gene Tunney 7. Benny Leonard 17. Tony Canzoneri 8. Joe Gans 18. Mickey Walker 9. Ezzard Charles 19. Holman Williams 10. Charley Burley 20. Jimmy McLarnin

Adrien broner is greater than Roy Jones. Goat

Maule. You could put Marciano in there. There are a few others you could put in there as well.

@@strategery101 I don't think Marciano (as great as he was) is top 20 P4P (he's close, but not top 20). It's not his fault, but most of the ATG he beat were past their prime. In a weird way, Jimmy McLarnin also ran into this problem...but not as extreme.

Cant blame him for changing his name

michael mooney ducker he ducked black murders row

And just his fluid movement when you saw him box you knew it would be a display of beauty. “Beautiful Brutality”

Like can you imagine what Robinson would box like in today’s era considering how awesome he looked back then and with how boxing techniques and training has evolved!

@@Lonelysportofboxing SRR in his prime would beat most of the current competition. 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, noughties boxers are better than the current generation.

​@@LonelysportofboxingBoxing has not evolved, nor has equipment increased. Name an example of boxing training that we do now, that they didn't do back then. Boxing peaked in the 1940s.

Dappa don Deano I have him second after Sugar Ray Robinson. No one will ever be as good as Sugar Ray Robinson

Yeap

@@Mach15-20 cuz u say so..i got one for you..Samson..bammm

Orami Shygone That’s something alright! 😂