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@alloydog613 Жыл бұрын
I love Spock's flinch of indignation when the Guardian says "Your science is primative"! :D
@paulpolpiboon95358 ай бұрын
its definitely hilarious
@nnthayer6 ай бұрын
he’s sooo offended 😂
@connorg68873 жыл бұрын
"You're standing in a room, but it's outside and snowing, a man stands in front of you sat next to... The Scary Door"
@MirrorDimly3 жыл бұрын
Michael Burnham: “Why should I believe you? _You're Hitler!”_
@ShamrockParticle3 жыл бұрын
#this
@AethelredTheReady3 жыл бұрын
Poor Michael, cursed by his own hubris.
@BioGoji-zm5ph3 жыл бұрын
You think the narrator might'mph sh'dd sh'''mthing or maybe he's gomngjsdfgj in his mouth. In either case, he probmmghgg something about... The Scary Door.
@Ithinkiwill663 жыл бұрын
Now I think "The Twilight Zone" came into the Trek universe...lol
@c4blew3 жыл бұрын
Haha, Spocks reaction to the Guardian dissing him is still priceless. 😂😂😂
@rikk3193 жыл бұрын
He's half-human, after all...acting a little perturbed is to be expected.
@kaiclarkson50513 жыл бұрын
Vulcans do have emotions
@KnowTrentTimoy3 жыл бұрын
Having an Ego is a human trait. Vulcan's (even a well trained half Vulcan) should know better then to react in that manner.
@scottgamble77673 жыл бұрын
@@KnowTrentTimoy : So is emotionalism Trent. Can't tell you how many times you could see Sarek bristle a bit. I think the point is that Vulcans on the whole suppress these traits... due to their mental commitments and devotion to the Vulcan way that originated with Surak. It doesn't mean that they don't have them deep down inside. I think Leonard played Spock perfectly in this scene! ☞ upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Surak3.jpg
@scottgamble77673 жыл бұрын
@@KnowTrentTimoy : Also, how is it that you know better what is appropriate for a Vulcan than Leonard Nimoy?
@Lukes0133 жыл бұрын
TNG is not a Guardian of Forever. He is from the Tkon Empire. Guardian of Forever was never mentioned.
@johnh77273 жыл бұрын
The newspaper in Disco has an article about the Tkon empire. They may be trying to connect them.
@GlorfindelIII3 жыл бұрын
@@johnh7727 but the back of the same newspaper also had an advertisement for Edith Keeler's Twenty-First Street Mission, "Let me help!"
@randyrhoades87513 жыл бұрын
@@johnh7727 Which would be a decent connection I guess to the possible origin of the Guardian, but man do I dislike its origin explained.
@ransom1823 жыл бұрын
HOW DARE THEY TRY TO CONNECT THINGS!!!!!!! SJWS!!!!!
@michaelpattie92483 жыл бұрын
I'm not even sure this guy is the guardian. No shortage of space time manipulating nigh omnipotent beings in Star Trek. I'm waiting for Kevin Uxbridge to show up. He seems like the kind of person to destroy all dilithium, everywhere. We have no law to fit his crime.
@Bootmahoy88 Жыл бұрын
TOS has no CGI, no high tech videography, just a well made set, and it works beautifully. Aside from the fact that TNG isn’t dealing with the same entity, it’s still fetching. I like both and for different reasons.
@agalgonzalez Жыл бұрын
This shows why the original series is still the best, it had class.
@rsprockets7846 Жыл бұрын
LETS GET THE HELLLLL OUTA HERE
@mgymgh11 ай бұрын
Totally agree, the reimagined portal is weakly presented. This was such a well written TOS episode and the rest are unworthy
@notabannedaccount836210 ай бұрын
@@mgymghBORING! Too much TALK! Blah blah old white guys!
@youtpfpm609710 ай бұрын
I like all the versions. Because each one belongs to each series.
@GrimGalore9 ай бұрын
The original series had actual, competent, writers.
@jeremybk543 жыл бұрын
still love Spock's reaction to the guardian calling him primitive
@dangeary2134 Жыл бұрын
I took his reaction as, “He is right!”
@rsprockets7846 Жыл бұрын
@@dangeary2134 MORE LIKE AFFIRMATION
@hagamapama Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that face says it all. "I'm doing my best, there's no need to be nasty about it."
@mxplixic3 жыл бұрын
3:14 "Fear is the mindkiller!" "Wait, wrong franchise." :)
@gorilladisco91083 жыл бұрын
"You are facing fate with composure." "Actually, I'm shitting my pants."
@davidbarnhart62283 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@CommanderBalok3 жыл бұрын
[points] Those people are that way. You can't see them because of the intervening dunes.
@augustday94833 жыл бұрын
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." -Litany against Fear, Dune
@Mr-Garibaldi3 жыл бұрын
As a native Upstate New Yorker I’m happy to see Adirondack chairs survive until the 31st century
@eyecomeinpeace27072 жыл бұрын
Southern Ontarian here. I'm glad to see Muskoka chairs surviving past the 31 st century.
@JoshSweetvale3 жыл бұрын
The avatar with the newspaper reminds me of Anubis the Ascended from Stargate SG-1. :D
@circuitsandcigars12783 жыл бұрын
THIS!! You win the nerdverse today
@MrStonelion633 жыл бұрын
Thought it was going to be like Mr. Wickwire from The Twilight Zone
@Ge1Ri43 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same!
@danagiles51003 жыл бұрын
He looks like a cop I saw on Law and Order once...
@circuitsandcigars12783 жыл бұрын
@@danagiles5100 same actor played Ascended Anubis - George Dzundza and a good choice
@DavidLS13 жыл бұрын
He reminds me of the ascended version of Anubis in the coffee shop in Stargate SG1. FYI: The Guardian of Forever also appears in Star Trek: Of Gods and Men.
@numbers9to03 жыл бұрын
Kurtzman: Budget cuts. Bring me a door and a chair...
@JavierLopez-nw8kb3 жыл бұрын
Budget cuts? Its lazy, Season 1 ToS was 1/8th the budget that STD costs per episode. The Guardian of Forever literally looks like a cardboard cutout your telling me Kurtzman could only afford a Door?
@tyrgoossens3 жыл бұрын
It's very "Doctor Who".
@MirrorDimly3 жыл бұрын
@@JavierLopez-nw8kb He really wanted to make that “A-door-able” pun.
@icyrazor3 жыл бұрын
@@JavierLopez-nw8kb 1/8th? More like TOS had about $300 per episode, duct tape not included
@BioGoji-zm5ph3 жыл бұрын
Captain Kwirk: Where's the rest of the ship's crew? Mr. Spuck: Not in the budget. Captain Kwirk: I... wonder if Squatty... survived the "Budget Cuts"? From Star Warp'd: The Fandom Menace (The ONLY Fandom Menace in my opinion).
@oncinaust51783 жыл бұрын
Remember when people bashed TOS for cheap special effects? Door, chair, fake paper, and a Watson costume.... That to be cheaper than building the portal and lighting it.
@oncinaust51783 жыл бұрын
@Projekt Kobra lol yeah I get it in old.
@danrozful3 жыл бұрын
And going on location someplace snowing.
@fmlazar3 жыл бұрын
I remembe reading Harlan Ellison's book on "City" and the mess that developed around it. It was never his intention that the Guardian be shaped like giant a vagina. Nor did he approve of the Greco-Roman pieces either.
@jmcenanly13 жыл бұрын
@Projekt Kobra , although they were supposed to be in 1930s New York City, they were the Mayberry set from "The Andy Griffith show". At one point, Kirk and Edith Keeler pass Floyd's Barber Shop.
@331Grabber3 жыл бұрын
@@jmcenanly1 I didn't know that. Nice to still learn something new about that show. Thanks
@donfolstar3 жыл бұрын
Nothing quite like explorers who are hostile at finding the unknown. "What the HELL is this" and mean face "give me a straight answer" versus taking readings, asking intelligent questions, and discussing among themselves.
@radioflyer689113 жыл бұрын
Dicax That's exactly what I was thinking. These aren't intrepid explorers, these are assholes in space.
@brianfeuerman17323 жыл бұрын
@@radioflyer68911 #1, Phillipa is an asshole... #2 Michael thought that the GOF was the only way to save Phillipa, which is why we see her being an asshole. Trust me, it’s happened before... Janeway does the asshole thing to save Seven, in the end it doesn’t even work anyway, and they have to take the part from Icheb. I can’t remember what the part is called, but a character being an asshole to save another character is nothing new.
@augustday94833 жыл бұрын
@@brianfeuerman1732 Well I never liked Janeway or Voyager either. You've got a fallacious argument anyways, just because Star Trek has occasionally had poorly written scenes/characters in the past does not justify poor quality in the future.
@macramequeenintheafternoon7272 жыл бұрын
@@augustday9483 lmao the cringe! The lengths to which discovery haters will go to construct reasons to hate it out of literally nothing is so damn embarrassing. As if these two have come as "Explorers." They are literally there for one single reason and that's to save her life. The Guardian is essentially toying and tormenting them under the most dire of circumstances and you're going to call them showing frustration and desperation an example of them being poorly written?! Good lord just go take an nap lmao.
@garyodle56633 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing. He is Carl, the doorman. The TV show "Rhoda" had a character named "Carlton, the doorman".
@coolal193 жыл бұрын
And the guy who played that role was the guy who wrote the theme song to the Mary Tyler Moore show. His name was Lorenzo Music I think.
@d.cummer26523 жыл бұрын
@@coolal19 Yep. You have the right name. I can’t remember if he wrote the MTM theme or not, though.
@dupersuper19383 жыл бұрын
@@coolal19 He was also the guy who voiced Peter Venkman and Garfield, not to be confused with Bill Murray.
@HailAnts2 жыл бұрын
He was a writer and producer of the show, but he didn’t write the MTM theme song..
@ZantherStone2 жыл бұрын
@@dupersuper1938 Now that you mention it, their voices sound really similar (Murray and Garfield)
@BlazerRox3 жыл бұрын
The Star Dispatch - now that's a legit easter egg
@johnsavard75833 жыл бұрын
As the TOS Guardian of Forever wasn't even capable of understanding what it put Kirk through, it couldn't have had a sense of humor. This is obviously a Guardian Mark II.
@asherdie3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsavard7583 he gained a sense of humor thanks to Kirk.
@compmanio363 жыл бұрын
Easter eggs are not enough to keep a show going. And that's all this show has to run on.
@asherdie3 жыл бұрын
@@compmanio36 it has allot of women crying and queers, and easter eggs.
@LeeKeels3 жыл бұрын
Actually, Star Dispatch is a newspaper that has been used all throughout entertainment history. You'll see it show up in lots of movies and tv shows. Same logo, same font, etc.
@SonofTiamat3 жыл бұрын
The Guardian of Forever was also in the Star Trek TAS episode Yesteryear
@JoeMama-sy8cg3 жыл бұрын
What's TAS?
@Jarumo763 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-sy8cg 'The Animated Series'
@JoeMama-sy8cg3 жыл бұрын
@@Jarumo76 I see
@williamhaynes48003 жыл бұрын
If you can still find it on DVD, check it out. It has several episodes that continued TOS storylines.
@michaelpattie92483 жыл бұрын
I think that's the only time other time it's explicitly appeared in show. Not sure if this is it or just a powerful being. Space seems to be full of those.
@Laneous143 жыл бұрын
'Our audience will get confused if a rock starts talking in this sci-fi show. Get an old guy and a chair. Um, give him a cigar so it's quirky and stylish instead of a cop-out!'
@MichaelSHartman Жыл бұрын
Given the last two years of confusion that I have seen in the youth, and country, it might have been prudent.
@time391 Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelSHartman Meh, the Guardian of Forever was one of the last major Technological creations of an ancient alien species, probably the Q. I expect it to be able to take corporeal form.
@fishjones4618 Жыл бұрын
Discovery had the chance to fully realize Harlan Ellison’s vision of the Guardian of Forever. In the original script it was supposed to be an elaborate desolate complex (hence the name of the episode).
@mrparanormalmobius3 жыл бұрын
This show manages not only to suck - but to reach back into time and make you feel pain for the original Trek you loved and cherished.
@Idazmi73 жыл бұрын
Yes, it does. And I say that as a millennial. I hate my generation, honestly.
@exposingproxystalkingorgan41643 жыл бұрын
This is like several sci fi shows and movies merged together.
@Ithinkiwill663 жыл бұрын
The Twilight Zone, and Doctor Who
@thefirstprimariscatosicari68703 жыл бұрын
Because NuTrek is ripping off everything BUT Star Trek.
@TonyAnnechino3 жыл бұрын
It's all Star Trek.
@nowhereman60193 жыл бұрын
And none of them are Star Trek.
@smartfrenandromax66513 жыл бұрын
Secret Space Program disclosure. Star Trek: Discovery seemed to be developed by AI agents on low-level computers. The reason Voyager-J and Janeway's Voyager are both Intrepid Class, probably because their SSP Database listed 'Voyager' as that way. 'rewritten by machine and new technology'. Database → Reformulation → Product of Reformulation → Filtering and Censoring to make sure it is up to 'Standard' → 'Final Product' → Star Trek: Discovery (the other STD) The reason STD & STP are so different from TOS & TNG is because their database differed from the final version of the products. Meanwhile Lower Decks either used materials from the final products or had a different database. See also SEGAGAGA's Dolmexica. pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl8rhy4UYAAoXip.jpg s.animeanime.jp/imgs/p/qC3cX52_w9YJ28j7VPltKcSgI60Yrq_oqaqr/44458.jpg Secret Space Program disclosure #SecretSpaceProgram #disclosure
@jacobpeters28613 жыл бұрын
Harlan Ellison is spinning faster in his grave than that spore drive.
@gedias13 жыл бұрын
I think he's still spending his time yelling at Roddenberry.
@robm66453 жыл бұрын
@@gedias1 Or suing James Cameron from beyond the grave.
@BioGoji-zm5ph3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the final version of that episode was given a re-write by D.C. Fontana, though.
@gedias13 жыл бұрын
@@BioGoji-zm5ph It was almost completely changed from Ellison's version, which made him eternally hate Roddenberry.
@brucecoulson37573 жыл бұрын
@@gedias1 Well, until the changed version won the Hugo. I've read the original version; it was unfilmable.
@Lumibear.3 жыл бұрын
They’re not telling, they’re playing THAT game, like Lost, wait to see what the audience says is going on, do that.
@FeelGoodTimeNet3 жыл бұрын
So they are not leading, they are following.
@jimh54913 жыл бұрын
With Lost it was more: wait to see what the audience says is going on, doing anything BUT that no matter how improbable or requiring ludicrous amounts of time travel/dimension hopping/flash forwards/secret societies/psychic powers/body switching/duplicate twins/reincarnation/shape-shifting imaginary ghost people/etc. for the plot to make any sense, realise after a couple of seasons they'd effectively painted themselves into a corner creatively with the monumental tangled mess of plot lines and sequential surprise plot twists that prevented any reasonable possibility of the show having a neat all-encompassing ending explaining everything after the first season, just keep going adding more layers of whimsical metaphysical plot threads for the entirety of the rest of the show's run in the hope the audience would be too busy trying to make sense of the deluge of new revelations each episode & figuring out how they could even remotely logically fit in with the other story lines rather than notice the ongoing self-perpetuating narrative train-wreak of the overall story as a whole, finally end with all the characters hanging out in a Church. But that aside and going back to your original point - the STD writers are a bunch of cheap mystery-box abusing hacks, yes.
@James_Bee3 жыл бұрын
@@jimh5491 That's one way of pointing out how absurd LOST was. I just like to say "THEY WERE DEAD THE ENTIRE TIME. THEY NEVER SURVIVED THE PLANE CRASH!".
@jimh54913 жыл бұрын
@@James_Bee "IT WAS ALL JUST A DREAM, ZOOM OUT TO REVEAL THE ISLAND INSIDE A GIANT SNOWGLOBE, ROLL CREDITS - THE END!"
@landryprichard67783 жыл бұрын
I remember. Lost was such a con job.
@davincent983 жыл бұрын
A metal door in a snowy area? "WELCOME TO THE HIMALAYAS! Snow cone?"
@theimperiumofman1023 жыл бұрын
“Your science knowledge is obviously primitive” Spock: And I took that personally.
@milesmayhem54403 жыл бұрын
If nothing else, this presentation had great scenes linked together, Discovery notwithstanding. Always good to see old friends. Very entertaining and thought provoking. Major Grin, you are in my core group of Star Trek channels, for whatever it’s worth. Thanks for the great content!
@martinrobert67093 жыл бұрын
They took something grand and mysterious and turned it into second rate comedy scene.
@karinefonte5163 жыл бұрын
And that's STD for you. I know, it itches a lot and causes some discomfort, like all STDs.
@joeschembrie94503 жыл бұрын
Everything Kurtzman does is trashing the past. The exception is Lower Decks, which appears at first to be trashing Star Trek but actually treats Star Trek canon with reverence and respect. I suspect that Kurtzman wasn't interested in directing an animated series, so he didn't pay close attention. By now he may have caught on. We'll see what season 2 is like.
@ashlynnp.96093 жыл бұрын
Holy shit stop fucking screeching. Like you guys complain about a bad story but don't realize that the reveal happens AT THE END.
@martinrobert67093 жыл бұрын
@@ashlynnp.9609 At this point I don't care, too many insults to my intelligence and my fandom to waste time with show. I am following along third hand to watch the various jj abrams series to collapse on themselves.
@ashlynnp.96093 жыл бұрын
@@martinrobert6709 Then you’re completely missing out. People complain about everything and apparently you’re no different. It’s a good show. Riker’s Beard is constant in Star Trek. Every first season to every Trek show sucks and it’s the same here.
@ptsdpamphletcompany58903 жыл бұрын
TOS: Mystic, cool voice, interesting. TNG: Interesting, not quite as cool (been awhile since I've seen that episode), more physical form. STD: Unnecessarily Cryptic, tried to be humuourous and cryptic at t he same time, copying what came before but not in a cool way (any coolness is overshadowed by the history of STD and their habit of copying other shows). My opinion: If you're gonna pull out the rememberberries/nostalgia/callback/retcon, better make sure your show isn't a pile of garbage and it is done in a clever and interesting way.
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
Carl from discovery is not the guardian of forever, he's more akin to being like Q or trelane
@moe83.3 жыл бұрын
@@airrider-jk9ik I thought he was a kind of Q, but boring episode anyway jajaj
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
@@moe83. the episode wasnt boring
@wills51593 жыл бұрын
@@moe83. I was thinking Q as well... but maybe they are all Q. unlike the Q from TNG, the other Q dont seem to get involved just for fun. maybe some just wait and see what mortals do with power, like the guardian of forever? This one seems to make itself known, but wait to see if they would show up. wonder if there were any eps with the Q continuum that showed them reading a paper? edit: Didnt Q send Picard back in time to prevent himself from getting stabbed in the heart, avoiding the need to get a bionic heart? All to teach him that he needed to be that reckless in order to BE the captain? kind of parallel to this?
@time3913 жыл бұрын
You do know the TNG episode was not about the Guardian of Forever, they never featured it in TNG. In the novels, the Guardian was created by the Q, before they ascended into godhood/higher plane, so it makes sense that it has snark, bad puns, and ultimately a well-meaning desire to help others, even if it's an ass about it. To me, the Q, especially de Lancie, are like older siblings, who throw their ability and capabilities at the younger races, but they are well meaning in most part, trying to improve younger races through trials and self-examination (Sort of like a Trekkian version of Vorlons/Shadows from Babylon 5). Everything Q has done so far in the shows were to teach lessons, especially introducing the Borg early enough with real stakes for Picard/crew to face them.
@TheJGuerrero3 жыл бұрын
You are standing on a snowy field. In the distance a door and a man sitting on a lounge chair is smoking a cigar and reading the newspaper. There is a white mailbox to your right. Sorry, I thought I was playing Zork.
@tnspnk33 жыл бұрын
Right. Or the original adventure. meselectronics.net/advent/ (something I picked up). :)
@salilbhatnagar3 жыл бұрын
Vulcans rn seeing the Guardian portal be like: Illogical! Illogical!
@XSilver_WaterX3 жыл бұрын
They do embody humans understanding of creation.
@time3913 жыл бұрын
It was created by the Q after all, so what do you expect?
@bravo01053 жыл бұрын
So NBC turned down The Cage in 1965 and CBS green lights Discovery in 2020...
@Idazmi73 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. Hollywood was always full of brainlets.
@CaptainPositron3 жыл бұрын
Well, that ending shot is some nightmare fuel...
@jordancobb5093 жыл бұрын
At least Kirk and Spock were smart enough to beam down next to the gateway, instead of walking for hours.
@Jagent3 жыл бұрын
That new guardian felt like something out of Doctor Who, and not in a good way.
@Ithinkiwill663 жыл бұрын
That is what I thought too, exactly!
@kenwaid82393 жыл бұрын
That is not the guardian of forever they’re not even on the same planet. I mean it’s true I guess the guardian could manifest itself wherever and whenever it wanted, but I doubt if it would manifest itself in such a way. it would be like us deciding to ditch walking upright, and go back to crawling on all fours wherever we went.
@cathygrandstaff19573 жыл бұрын
When special effects from 60 years ago are better than now.
@jmh86973 жыл бұрын
And the writing and characters too!
@jkcarroll3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. When CGI can fill an entire Roman Colosseum with people, flashy FX distract from, not add to the story. In this case, rather than going all out, duplicating something from 60 years ago, they chose ... simplicity
@OzBaxter3 жыл бұрын
@@jkcarroll You misspelled "cheapness" ;p
@ErickC3 жыл бұрын
Ehh.... no, the special effects from 60 years ago still look like campy high school theater crap. No amount of nostalgia is going to fix that. The story made it possible for us to ignore it is all. And this portal isn't even substantially different than the original, it's just another kind of doorway with nothing behind it tied to some optical compositing. Oh, there's snow behind it instead of some spare Greco-Roman and rock props from who knows what other show. Oh, there's a door in the doorjamb instead of it being an empty ring. Oh, it doesn't have disco lights. Big deal. It's still basically the same thing. It's just that "Adam West's Batman" doesn't work as a visual style in 2020. Tastes change. That's just part of life. In fact I'll bet real money that if I went back in time and swapped the two sets, you'd prefer the door with the guy.
@cathygrandstaff19573 жыл бұрын
@@ErickC The “new” guardian looks more like cheap high school crap. Oh look, we’ve got a doorway, and not a special doorway that would actually require effort to make, we’ve got a standard doorway that was probably lying around the prop room. And oh you didn’t bother animating it or anything, you just put a person next to it to provide the lines, like you couldn’t even be bothered with a microphone. About the only thing that looks modern about it is the snow, and that’s a standard CG effect.
@legotheon3 жыл бұрын
I just love his outfit so much. That tweed coat is awesome
@Kreachie3 жыл бұрын
Amazingly you were right on the money, it is the Guardian of Forever. Apparently after the temporal wars when people tried to use him, he hid himself on a planet far away from where he was discovered by the Enterprise Crew.
@Idazmi73 жыл бұрын
Except, of course, the fact that he is literally the *Guardian* of Forever, not a simple door that has to hide. And would a "temporal" war even have a beginning and end? The writing is atrocious.
@adrianvine76532 жыл бұрын
@@Idazmi7 You misunderstand what he is. He is the Guardian of Forever in the same sense that your door is the guardian of your room. Yeah sure it looks nice and all to keep someone out, but if someone really wanted in your room, do you think a door is gonna be much of a deterrent? Its the same with the Guardian of Forever. He's a sentient portal who doesn't want to be used anymore, so its not atrocious writing that he hid. And yeah, a temporal war would have a beginning and end. Its just not in chronological order.
@Idazmi72 жыл бұрын
@@adrianvine7653 I'm not misunderstanding anything. When the Enterprise first encountered it, they flew through time-shifting waves that actually shook the ship and tossed it out of sync with normal time. See, the Guardian of Forever itself claims to exist in all of time and history, having neither beginning nor end, nor _location_ in any traditional sense. It is able to both observe and affect time on a galactic scale, at _least._ It is *_not_* just a door.
@adrianvine76532 жыл бұрын
@@Idazmi7 Whatever your first paragraph is meant to explain, it went right over my head, so I'm sorry if that was meant to explain something I'm going to talk about. And it does have a physical location, like any sentient being. And, yeah, it is a just a door. A very fancy door that exists across all of space and time and loves time travel and stuff, but it is still a door to anywhere you want to go. And, like any sentient being, it doesn't like being used and abused so it moved away.
@Idazmi72 жыл бұрын
@@adrianvine7653 _"Whatever your first paragraph is meant to explain, it went right over my head, so I'm sorry if that was meant to explain something I'm going to talk about."_ Which is exactly why you aren't qualified to be discussing the Guardian of Forever in any way, shape or form. Long story short, *it can change the flow of time without anyone entering it's door. FROM LIGHTYEARS AWAY.*
@ThorsHammer13 жыл бұрын
Sloppy. The TNG examples had NO relation to the "guardian" theme of the other two
@2bituser5693 жыл бұрын
The tng dude was a guardian too
@LSOK383 жыл бұрын
@@2bituser569 He may have been a guardian of that particular planet's past civilization but he wasn't The Guardian of Forever. That was a different planet and a different civilization. If it was the same it would have given off the same temporal energy that was detected by the Enterprise in ST:TOS and would have been recognized by the Enterprise-D computer! It wasn't recognized because it was something different !! The original GOF didn't use avatars. It was just a sentient gate not a humanoid avatar !
@marks473 жыл бұрын
@@2bituser569 Without looking it up, I believe he was called "Portal" by Riker at the very end. (yes. credited as Darryl Henriques - Portal")
@privacyseekr3 жыл бұрын
I like how affronted real-Spock was when schooled on his primitive knowledge (1:24).
@oliverfranke76503 жыл бұрын
There was no Guardian of Forever. They weren't even on the same planet.
@Zenth933 жыл бұрын
Well the race that made them could have put them all over the galaxy and there could be more advanced versions.
@CorvusCorone683 жыл бұрын
was that a reference to that phrase Riker's actor flubbed over and over? "It wasn't him. It was never him. It was his assistant."?
@LouisZezeran3 жыл бұрын
I had it in my mind there were several guardians but I can’t remember where I heard it
@nerys713 жыл бұрын
well the newspaper kind of confirms without question this is a or a variant of the guardian of forever.
@LouisZezeran3 жыл бұрын
@@nerys71 true dat
@LSOK383 жыл бұрын
The way that fellow was talking about the door, I thought Mel Brooks wrote the dialogue, but then I remembered that Mel Brooks was alot more intelligent than these writers !
@CtrlOptDel3 жыл бұрын
Starballs: Ladies with Schwartz
@BioGoji-zm5ph3 жыл бұрын
Um... TNG never had the Guardian of Forever. That's not even the same planet.
@Idazmi73 жыл бұрын
This is true.
@warlockpaladin2261 Жыл бұрын
But the Guardian of Forever does appear in The Animated Series.
@wickedprotos19373 жыл бұрын
Please add the one where the door decapitates Michael, preferably recursively through all dimensions, since Phillipa botched that.
@V___D3 жыл бұрын
Someone, please close this aDOORable Star Trek chapter and restart it.(and lockup Kurtzman behind this wretched door)
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
Why would the shut down a good star trek show
@cookingwithjesus3 жыл бұрын
@@airrider-jk9ik you’d need a good Star Trek show to answer that question.
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
@@cookingwithjesus we already have 3 currently running, discovery, picard and lower decks, so yeah, 3 good shows to answer that question
@jimh4723 жыл бұрын
@@airrider-jk9ik Lower Decks is a definite maybe, the rest should be hauled off as garbage.
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
@@jimh472 nah, cause theyre all good
@JasonAguirre3 жыл бұрын
I thought for half a second when he first appeared that he would introduce himself as Q. This is so much better.
@garethmorgan83263 жыл бұрын
How sad, Doctor Who in that Universe is squandering his retirement trying to help a Plank Of Wood and a Stiff .
@pascalhuisjes10773 жыл бұрын
I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not but Paul Guilfoyle never played the role of The Doctor.
@jmcenanly13 жыл бұрын
@@pascalhuisjes1077 Whoever wrote this had a very vague idea of how the various Doctors dressed and were probably advised by their legal team to avoid copying any one Doctor too closely. Between the BBC and the estate of Harlan Ellison,This episode probably had more lawyers working on it than actual writers
@crawlinginfilm96833 жыл бұрын
@@pascalhuisjes1077 Surname looks like (it sounds like) The Doctor’s home planet.
@VXGaming3 жыл бұрын
Anubis is a Q I do find it funny this was dumbed down in STD.
@Jmaul853 жыл бұрын
I understood that, I get the reference.
@sophiawilson86963 жыл бұрын
Anubis is on Stargate.
@Vejur90003 ай бұрын
This was a brilliant continuation to this being. Well done.
@tonyzeb3 жыл бұрын
The newspaper nails it well done
@rartu3 жыл бұрын
Forgot to include the Guardian episode from Star Trek the animated series!
@MarkLLawrence3 жыл бұрын
The Animated Series is truer to canon than STD. More fun to watch too. Lucius was fun, and we got Captain Robert April!
@jeangentry66563 жыл бұрын
For some reason, Michelle Yeoh's "what the HELL is this?!" Cracks me up, lol 😋
@insertanynameyouwant53113 жыл бұрын
Michael smile is my new nightmare
@markw2083 жыл бұрын
Good comparison. Proof again TOS was better in characters, storyline, script and even special effects. Decades to improve and everything is worse, shallower, flatter, 2 dimensional, nothing to draw you in
@Starch-Wreck3 жыл бұрын
No getting heads stuck in a "Mechanical rice picker" jokes. Thats how you know its 2020
@ObsessedCollector9 ай бұрын
TOS has that Victorian feel to it while still showing the future. No cgi, just great looking sets and superb acting.
@Dank_Jeb3 жыл бұрын
I still think it is Anubis.
@glenbilodeau74913 жыл бұрын
A door from Monsters Inc.... Captain, we have a 2319!! 😉
@Idazmi73 жыл бұрын
"I'll ripoff a *thousand* franchises before I let this STD die!!!"
@marvinhuth44873 жыл бұрын
finally, a replacement for dilithium......
@The_Persiflager3 жыл бұрын
I think you're giving the writers of this show way too much credit.
@STho2053 жыл бұрын
I don't. They tied all three things together with the simple newspaper prop. The Guardians in the original story were several giant men that moved as if standing still. The portal was a device, not The Guardians. That was changed in the last rewrite because the set department goofed up the planet city set directions. The Klingon time temple used references from Ellison's WGA first draft script. I don't think the series is brilliant or most of the acting very good, but I think the writers are paying attention to a lot of things the pop kid fans have missed, and they are changing things based on current SF style.
@The_Persiflager3 жыл бұрын
@@STho205 I didn't say he was wrong. He's probably right. I'm just saying that the writers didn't put anywhere near the consideration into their horrible, horrible scripts that he put into this video.
@STho2053 жыл бұрын
@@The_Persiflager I haven't seen this one, except his clips, but that TNG episode referenced was hokey, badly acted and dull. Not as bad as the planet of Nigerian stereotypes that wanted to buy or steal a blonde actress, but pretty bad. Ellison's script was brilliant, but it was lessened by the "Tomorrow is Yesterday" episode coming first, which was a simplistic comedy storyline. The brilliance of Ellison's story was, unlike the Butterfly Effect he borrowed from *there never was a paradox* . The opposite of butterfly effect stories, which the viewers in 67 may have read or seen in other series. Kirk had always visited 1932 and ALWAYS caused Edith's death. The Guardian had to send him back right then and there, because the Guardian knows time's shape. That was reinforced by the epilogue in Assignment Earth. I would like to see City done as originally written. I hoped Tarantino would remake that, as he is edgy enough to do Pulp Trek which is what City was before the rewrite. However I'm glad they did the rewrite in 66/67. I don't think I could have taken the original story as a kid.
@nerys713 жыл бұрын
Oh my god that smile at the end is EPIC
@2bituser5693 жыл бұрын
Michael looks like a hyena
@cosmicquestion91842 жыл бұрын
Scared the hell out of me.👀
@EC-ol8nz3 жыл бұрын
00:55 So Alex Trebek was playing with danger🤣
@zebedie23 жыл бұрын
Discovery: "What the hell is this" Door: "Didn't you hear? they cut the budget"
@originalname99993 жыл бұрын
Going to have to update this video now after part 2.
@paulcoy906010 ай бұрын
There's a great quote by Data in an alternate future novel (I think by Peter David) where Riker is trying to save Deanna by using the Guardian, and he says, "I would strangle Deanna Troi with my bare hands, if it meant saving the timeline." Needless to say, Data does not do that, and when Riker saves Deanna, the Guardian pulls them back to the correct time and says, "All is as it is supposed to be", meaning Troi was never meant to die in the first place.
@ryno15093 жыл бұрын
It’s not confirmed that is the guardian in discovery, it’s a totally different planet
@ryno15093 жыл бұрын
@Tim Hands no but the guardian was a sentient machine and basically a talking portal this is a being and it’s in the gamma quadrant so definitely not the same thing, is anything it’s more likely a Q or seeing it’s the gamma quadrant a wormhole alien
@anonymous_88173 жыл бұрын
"What do you call a cute portal?" "A-door-able!"😂
@dunmermage3 жыл бұрын
Wow. At this point I really believe Kurtzman has a checklist named "Awesome Star Trek Stuff I Want to Ruin".
@dunmermage3 жыл бұрын
@@theborgqueen6891 I did. Season 1 and 2 and the first episode of S3, then I gave up on the hope of it ever improving. Discovery just have horrible writing.
@toddkurzbard3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should stop being a Stan for shows with monkey sh*t writing.
@FirestormDDash3 жыл бұрын
*"I AM THE GUARDIAN OF FOREVER"* When TOS and ST:D had him say it, I felt that.
@Idazmi73 жыл бұрын
Oh look: a "member berry".
@v4p3 ай бұрын
0:40 Emotional damage accent)
@ranchoth3 жыл бұрын
If this guy isn't the Guardian, I think he's just an escapee character from NuWho. He kinda smells like it, ya know?
@redshirtveteran56883 жыл бұрын
Or a Q trolling.
@HAGZ04833 жыл бұрын
Could be a Q, could be a random alien like Trelane or Apollo, people tend to forget there are multiple options.
@LSOK383 жыл бұрын
I think he's just an out of work actor from the planet CSI !
@ranchoth3 жыл бұрын
@@HAGZ0483 At least when Q was trolling, he put in more effort with the costumes. Sometimes he even brought a Mariachi band. And cigars.
@redshirtveteran56883 жыл бұрын
@@HAGZ0483 Thanks to Peter David and other material, I consider Trelane one of the Q. Also, tbf, aside from a little bit in Lower Decks, we've not seen a Q in years.
@billtree523 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with the Guardian taking other forms, but as it stands that looks very unoriginal. Reminds me of Chrono- Trigger
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
It aint the guardian
@billtree523 жыл бұрын
@@airrider-jk9ik I haven't and don't plan to watch Discovery. I'm just going by the title of the video. Is presume he/ she would have expertise on the subject.
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
@@billtree52 they do not, it was never stated in the show it was the guardian of forever, it was just stated to be a being on a planet with some kind of power, you sjould watch discovery because its actually nothing like these videos say it to be, lots of the clips are out of context and dont give the full scene or simply dont understand basic things
@billtree523 жыл бұрын
@@airrider-jk9ik all that aside I'm not paying for CBS All Access. I've heard enough about it from plenty of other sources to know that I will probably not enjoy it. I wish them luck though.
@airrider-jk9ik3 жыл бұрын
@@billtree52 its on netflix, if you have it, give discovery a chance, when it first got announced i was cautiously optimistic as a trekkie, but i was so glad to be proven wrong when it released. It perfectly captures the trek feel while bringing something new to it, the same it does with the roddenberry message
@gregorysagegreene Жыл бұрын
"Yaaaaaaaaa... !" - I won't be fooled again.
@skyradtvcomics49813 жыл бұрын
"Stupid is as stupid does." - Forrest Gump. OMG! I think that's starting to make sense to me now.
@ZTAudio3 жыл бұрын
Typical of how the show is more “magical space fantasy” than it is Sci-Fi.
@frankmaston3 жыл бұрын
And TOS isn't? Yikes
@ZTAudio3 жыл бұрын
@@frankmaston Roddenberry engaged actual scientists to consult on TOS, TNG, & DS9. Guess the number engaged by the producers of STD.
@tzor3 жыл бұрын
Assuming that it is "the" Guardian of Forever, (or "a" Guardian of Forever) it seems to operate differently (the Guardian was a replay of "history" which allowed timed entry into history). This one was a direct jump point to a specific time in "history" ... technically Georgiou's history which spans universes but is still technically "her" past and thus her "history."
@krissybaglin92062 жыл бұрын
Whilst it's true, we can't expect such things to remain as they are forever, as we hear the Gaurdian say, they're in hiding following the temporal wars, so it's probable something else happened
@Timeward76 Жыл бұрын
The guardian was always a spacetime gateway. A door to everywhere, everywhen. Georgiou's first jump was the guardians test of her character.
@warlockpaladin2261 Жыл бұрын
First rule of Star Trek... don't think so linearly. But seriously, a being like this would look at the timeline as though it were merely a line "already" drawn on the paper rather than as a line "being" drawn.
@lnfreeman3 жыл бұрын
This is edited like a fever dream
@excelents10 ай бұрын
03:09 "You know as well as I do that fear only exists for one purpose: to be conquered."
@fullcontact333 жыл бұрын
Ok here’s my prediction for what’s gonna happen - georgiou is gonna spare michael, so that the empire doesn’t fall apart, and Michael is going to be the one who puts Spock on the enterprise/in starfleet or whatever and of course he ends up being the one who destroys the empire. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if Michael herself ends up being the real reason the empire is destroyed, and Spock is just a side character, but...come on right. That makes sense - there’s no universe where she isn’t pivotal in.
@GetterRay3 жыл бұрын
lmao imagine actually watching STD
@troyjamesmartin3 жыл бұрын
If STD were Christmas, it’s tagline would be "Michael is the reason for the season".
@myrddrral3 жыл бұрын
"Why did the lady go through the door?" "To get to the other side." The writing on this show has got to be the result of a keyboard pelted by hail.
@CommanderBalok3 жыл бұрын
He answers as simply as your level of understanding makes possible. :)
@myrddrral3 жыл бұрын
@@CommanderBalok very well observed.
@thomashill63473 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making me enlighten to the connection.
@DonDon-fs2tl3 жыл бұрын
That edit “what the hell is this” was funny as hell
@Thermool3 жыл бұрын
Everyone on here with their theories about who are what this is; it’s starting to look like an episode CSI.
@jameslobosco363 жыл бұрын
They could just have Picard wake up and state " I had this dream about a spore drive PC Star Trek Universe....."
@garym63153 жыл бұрын
Sonuequa's method of "acting" seems to be made up of long pauses to emphasise what she's saying.
@Geekus3 жыл бұрын
How did you get the clip of the GoF a week before the episode came out?
@RHTeebs2 жыл бұрын
"The answer follows the question. It's dangerous if it goes the other way." So, the gameshow Jeopardy is dangerous?
@JimboLogic3 жыл бұрын
A small show, written by small minds, imitating the work of giants.
@connormccloy93993 жыл бұрын
I was going to compare this to Voyager, but that would be insulting to voyager.
@ekij1333 жыл бұрын
"What do you call a cute portal? A Door..able"
@compmanio363 жыл бұрын
I don't....I don't know how to respond to that sentence. Have I been drugged?
@putinscat12083 жыл бұрын
Georgiou didn't go back in time, she went back into her own body holding her current memories.
@troyr573 жыл бұрын
That's actually a good theory
@josenavas99683 жыл бұрын
I could feel the power of the Guardian in the original Star Trek and its complexity. In the Discovery episode. It was more a joke and unbelievable .
@metatechnologist3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This is bad Trek here. You might find this interesting. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e5thm5aoycC9YGQ.html
@user-michael772 жыл бұрын
Just like Discovery and Picard itself.
@paradox73583 жыл бұрын
How TF did the writers on STD land a job with this sort of writing?
@Ramipon3 жыл бұрын
never seen a Q or a mirror episode before eh?
@chello2003 жыл бұрын
they were the ones with the lowest salary demands on the freelancer websites
@sirrathersplendid48253 жыл бұрын
Actually, the Guardian’s lines were pretty good compared to 99% of those in STD.
@Mxyzptlksac3 жыл бұрын
Because the Executves aren't as whiny as you are.
@Mumblix3 ай бұрын
"These ruins extend to the horizon." We see it without SEEING it.
@bjorn000003 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Carl's newspaper actually talks about the fall of the T'Kon Empire...
@BioGoji-zm5ph3 жыл бұрын
03:00 DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DEW IT! DEW IT! DEW IT!
@Raptorrex653 жыл бұрын
Boy they are really trying to take every great episode from all the successful star trek shows and cram them into this dumpster fire.
@jimh4723 жыл бұрын
It's all the STD "writer" know to do.
@kleanthisxanthopoulos96703 жыл бұрын
Someone made an experiment once. They trained an artificial neural network AI with all/many sci-fi novels and it produced a nonsensical story. I am willing to bet that it made more sense than STD.
@striker89613 жыл бұрын
@@kleanthisxanthopoulos9670 any link to this story?
@kleanthisxanthopoulos96703 жыл бұрын
@@striker8961 not readily, sorry. It has been a few years since I read it as well.
@jeffreynaylor20093 жыл бұрын
Watching S3E10 of ST Discovery. "I AM THE GUARDIAN OF FOREVER" .... Fans will know it is from Season 1, episode 28 Star Trek original. I recognized it as soon as I heard it and decided to do a youtube to see if anyone else did the same thing. I have seen that episode maybe two other times since I saw the original in April 1967. Can't believe it was so recognizable to me after first hearing it almost 54 years ago. Made me watch again "City on the Edge of Forever"...Lots of good stuff in that episode!!
@riekopo76383 жыл бұрын
Can you upload a clip of the Riker speech?
@usprulse3 жыл бұрын
ufh micheal burnham with that lipsticks is gonna give me nightmares
@clintlewis35373 жыл бұрын
Ya that scared the crap out of me
@HansWurst-vr3pr3 жыл бұрын
Thats such a Ripoff from this Stargate Episode called Jim, in this alteran Dinner with anubis.
@2bituser5693 жыл бұрын
Damn I knew the dude in the chair seemed familiar. Jim was Anubis.
@grukk40513 жыл бұрын
In my head cannon the Guardian is where the Stargate and Star Trek universes meet. Consider the similarity in construction materials, function and imprecise control methods between the portal and the Quantum Mirror
@temporaneo6173 жыл бұрын
@@grukk4051 if only....
@2bituser5693 жыл бұрын
@@grukk4051 Good point gof is like a combo of the gate and mirror.
@Tim.Stotelmeyer.29843 жыл бұрын
@@2bituser569 Different actors Carl is played by Paul Guilfoyle and Jim/Anubis was played by George Dzundza
@charlessands69333 жыл бұрын
What was the name of the actor in The Discovery sequence she was showing them the portal? I know who he is who he is very well but I can't think of his name.
@shdon3 жыл бұрын
You mean Paul Guilfoyle? Personally, I know him from his role as Capt. Jim Brass in CSI.
@charlessands69333 жыл бұрын
@@shdon: Absolurely. I do too. That was great.
@Jkirk32793 жыл бұрын
I’m REALLY glad CBS made STD pay per view. That prevented my wasting brain space on it.